I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians. It is obvious by your website. You can deny God all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate God but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it because we have no idea what God really looks like.
I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history and why you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist. God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.
Christianity requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart.
If hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying. Do not stereotype Christians. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo
I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians
Published by Bobby Henderson October 31st, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 228 Comments
228 Responses to “I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians”
I like Christians who aren’t assholes, but those who are assholes give their faith and their God a bad name.
I also dislike Pastafarians who are close-minded. I feel like many of us are just as bad as the few assholish Christians. Our job isn’t to bash other religions in the face. I feel like we’re all doing it wrong.
I want to be part of something that will teach everyone to be tolerant, not something that could start a war.
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Hi Soo, rejection of Christianity (at least as practised) doesn’t mean we’ve been hurt by Christianity, just that we don’t believe. It’s possible to reject the bible and not feel a void or hate.
Thank you for not descending into the usual abuse.
Dan
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I…… *sigh*…
This letter was calm, polite, well thought out, and non- confrontational.
And yet….. I still have the urge to track down the condescending son- of- a- bitch and slap them.
Thoroughly.
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I am very sorry for you, because you are so misguided. There is absolutely no evidence backing your insane claims of this so-called “Bible”.
Our religion is based solely on hard facts and truth. I hope you repent your retarded ways and accept simple logic.
Ramen
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Soo,
I have personally asked your God if he is real, but to no avail. I am still waiting for an answer. Does he have an answering machine, or an e-mail address? I must not be using the right medium to contact him. Any suggestions?
ralphie
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Dear Soo: If you want to see fucking creepy, read your Bible.
It was only when I finally decided to read the Bible through from beginning to end that I perceived that its depiction of the Lord God, whom I had always viewed as the very embodiment of perfection was actually that of a monstrous, vengeful tyrant, far exceeding in bloodthirstiness and insane savagery the depredations of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Attila the Hun, or any other mass murderer of ancient or modern history. I want nothing to do with your so called God. If your God wanted to show his ass to Moses then he is a pervert too. Your religion is not going to do anything for you except take you money, you brainwashed Idiot.
Lucifer
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Soo, are you winding us up? You either haven’t read the Open Letter (see home page) or you have failed to understand it. This is about xian attempts to hijack science education in Kansas and other parts of the USA.
Also, try to understand that the fact that something is in the bible doesn’t make it evidence of anything. It’s just a collection of myths and stories, that’s all.
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But I want to collapse his wave function =(
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Soo,
I thank you for your heartfelt response. I likewise would ask you to consider what we as Pastafarians are saying. The Flying Spaghetti Monster also wishes to remain unseen, but the proof of his existence is evident by the fact that he touches everything with his noodley appendage. This obvious by the fact that Bobby Henderson was compelled to write a certain letter to the State of Kansas School board when they were attempting to teach children a belief that was not consistent with our own.
I have actually asked your God if he is real. I unfortunately haven’t received an answer yet. Does he have an e-mail address that I can write to? When I asked I didn’t get an answering machine, should I have just let my question ring longer? I hope I didn’t hang up too soon…
ralphie
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Soo, it is so bad that you hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You can’t say he doesn’t exist because you haven’t seen him. If you even consider you may be wrong, you just ask him and he will touch you with his noodley appendages. Pastafarianism requires faith in the unseen. You can deny the FSM as much as you want, His Noodlieness is still the creator and he loves you. It is so sad that if you do not feel his touch you will be stuck with stale beer for eternity.
Peace.
PS: Whenever you have time you may want to look up the word “patronizing” in the dictionary.
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“You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.”
You can’t do scientifically disproven acts; you can’t smite people; there us actually solid proof that you exist, unlike God
“God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it because we have no idea what God really looks like.”
How do you know that God wrote the bible? You don’t, because your parents raised you to blindly believe this stuff.
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Soo, thanks for the kind words. I too am sorry that you have been hurt by rational thought and have apparently chosen to reject it.
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damn it, even though she was polite she made me angry.
it’s insulting how some christians think that everyone who doesn’t follow their world view is sad and angry… as if it’s the ONLY way to live…
well, as i said, at least she didn’t through some “go to hell” mail like the others.
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Right.
Step 1: Read the information on the site. Read the open letter.
Step 2: Understand that the bible was written by people. Humans. Folks who may or may not have believed what they were writing. Not a mysterious cloud-being.
Step 3: Understand further that the *original* bible has been copied innumerable times, with innumerable changes to the text, to the point where there are now scsores of different versions, each with its set of rabid defenders. Not one of these documents has any right to be called the word of god, since the fables and lessons are told from the viewpoint of men, not from the viewpoint of *god*.
Of course religion requires faith in the unseen. There’s nothing there to see, so one has to follow one’s imagination. It’s no different in Buddhism, or Islam, or anything else. There’s nothing special about xianity.
I don’t think any of the reasoning posters on this site hates god. I certainly don’t. How can I hate something that doesn’t exist? I admit a certain lack of fondness for those so-called xians who can’t keep their opinions to themselves, and who judge and condemn Pastafarians in direct contravention of their own religious tenets. Someone pointed out the other day in another string, a study that found an inverse correlation between IQ and religious fervor. I’m certainly not surprised by that. One of the reasons that religions like xianity remain so popular is that even the most intelligent of believers will steadfastly refuse to apply their intelligence in an analysis of their beliefs.
If, through some strange and bizarre turn of events, you actually come back to see what we have said in response to your post, please be as open as you admonish us to be, and consider the following quote:
**If a being of infinite wisdom wrote the Bible, or caused it to be written, he must have known exactly how his words would be interpreted by all the world, and he must have intended to convey the very meaning that was conveyed….If an infinite being cannot, in making a REVELATION to man, use such words that every person to whom a revelation is essential will understand distinctly what that revelation IS, then a revelation from God through the instrumentality of language is impossible, or it is not essential that all should understand it correctly. It may be argued that millions have not the capacity to understand a revelation, although expressed in the plainest words. To this it seems a sufficient reply to ask, why a being of infinite power should create men so devoid of intelligence, that he cannot by any means make known to them his will?
We are told that it is exceedingly plain, and that a wayfaring man, though a fool, need not err therein. This statement is refuted by the religious history of the christian world. Every sect is a certificate that God has not plainly revealed his will to man.
To each reader the Bible conveys a different meaning. About the meaning of this book, called a revelation, there have been ages of war, and centuries of sword and flame. …Is it not infinitely more reasonable to say that this book is the work of man, that it is filled with mingled truth and error, with mistakes and facts, and reflects, too faithfully perhaps, the ‘very form and pressure of its time’?**
(Some Mistakes of Moses, Robert Ingersoll, Prometheus Books 1986, pp. 89,90,91)
I’m sure you’ll find a way to rationalize yourself out of its logic. But maybe, just maybe, you’ll be touched by His Noodly Appendage, and see the light.
RAmen
ET
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On second thought-if God doesn’t have a body-how come he has a back?
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The story of Moses was derived from the Sumerian story of Sargon in which a chile was abandoned on a wicker basket on the river, taken in by the royal household and went on the receiver laws from the creator. As a matter of fact, numberous religions have the same story with variation in which the lawgiver has names like Mises, Muses, Mases, etc. Moses is only the last of these lawgivers, his biography is every bit as much a plagiarized rip off of earlier pagan myths, as is the biography of Jesus.
If you are truely open minded, you should look up a movie entitled “Zeitgeist” which exposes the fact that the Judeo-Xtain religion is nothing more than a rebrand of earlier pagan beliefs which floated around the Middle East for millenia.
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Soo,
Thank you for writing respectfully (if you check out the “hate mail” section, you’ll see that not everyone shares your civility). First, many FSM followers are really just against Religion in the Public Science Classroom. But you’re right that many have “taken the next step,” so I’ll address your questions from that perspective as well.
> I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians. It is obvious by your
> website.
Actually, I consider myself lucky–Christians haven’t hurt me anywhere near as badly as they have hurt so many others. Mostly, Christians just condescend to me and assume I’m a wretchedly amoral human being. Not bad at all compared to, say Palestine during the Crusades.
> You can deny God all you want but he will not deny you.
I don’t deny God. I just think he’s high in carbohydrates.
> You can hate God but he loves you. You can say all you want that
> there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you
> have never physically seen me either.
First, I don’t hate God any more than I hate, say, Tinkerbell. Secondly, we don’t deny a Christian God just because we have never seen him–you really don’t think we have other reasons?
> God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a
> physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images
> and worship it because we have no idea what God really looks like.
I don’t think that even Christians believe God stated anything at all in the Bible. Others claimed to write things about God in the Bible (that’s why we have “The Book of John,” “The Book of Luke,” and “The Book of Paul,” but not “The Book of Yahweh”).
> I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history and why
> you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask
> God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist.
Ummm–the site is not supposed to be sad–don’t take everything so seriously! Do the FSMers baking cakes and marching in parades look sad to you? I don’t think we’re bitter and angry at all (though some of us get a little salty when addressing the hecklers in the “hate mail” section). Also, I’d bet that just about everybody here has done some serious questioning about their spirituality–probably a lot more than most Christians (that’s reflected in some of the other posts referring to answering machines–God appears to be very rude in not responding to many of us…). If God hasn’t responded, it’s not for a lack of “asking.” Maybe you should open your heart to the wonderful meatbally goodness of the FSM.
> God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he
> wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he
> (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered
> Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s
> back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.
Again with the “God himself stated” (I think you meant “Himself” and “His hand,” but never mind)–to my knowledge, God hasn’t written any books yet. If you can clear up the attribution, the story will have a lot more weight. Also, why is God’s face so destructive, but not his posterior? Is he like Medusa or does he shoot lasers out of his eyes like Godzilla? Couldn’t he control the “killer gaze” if he wanted to since he can do anything? But I digress…
> Christianity requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to
> the heart.
Or it doesn’t. For me, it didn’t take.
> I hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying.
> Do not stereotype Christians. We are not all the same. We are not all
> condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
You’ll find a lot of people here will be closed to your message–but that’s only because we’ve heard this message before. In fact, it’s pretty hard to get through life without hearing this particular message (over and over again, ad nauseam). Much rarer is the Christian who has given OUR message a fair shake. Give it a try–we really are a lot of fun! And you don’t have to tithe!
Arrr. RAmen.
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Soo, what really matters to us is the evidence. If God exists objectively and leaves evidence, sort of like you are leaving evidence of your existence, then that is what we really need. We will not believe something just because we join an ideological system (well, some of us will), nor will we believe something just because it feels good and we wish it. We need evidence. For example, if the evidence is like the Bible or the Koran or something, then we will need good reasons to believe that the writing was authored by God and not religious people from the bronze age. See what I mean?
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Insightful ape,
Thar was a true Pastafarian reply. Cheers to you!
Lucky
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I wonder why “they” (Xians) always feel we’re bitter and angry because we don’t agree with them. I have yet to find a more happy bunch than the Piratical Pastafarians. And how do they know that their god doesn’t look like FSM? Where are the pictures hmmmm??? “Man was created in God’s image” they will say. So, does God look like Charlton Heston? Osama Bin Laden? Stephen Hawking? Hmm? Hmmm????
cheers!
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Listen up. Specially Dan, Ron!
This is a religion of peace. We want christians to understand what they believe; something imaginary. And that they learn it from parent to child. Or from peer presure. Not by some holy gost that made them come to their senses.
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So. Stop reacting like a child, xtains, Ron, Dan, everyone and just tell each other what it is.
God is imaginary and you believe that he is real because you are brainwashed. That’s it.
Damnit.
Theo, a pastafarian untill someone proofs to me that the FSM does not exist.
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Just a quick question about your post.
“God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body.”
Then how did God create man in his image if he is a spirit?
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Dear Mrs/Mr/Ms/Rev/whatever -Soo
Can you please have a word with your supreme, all-knowing and ever-loving God and get him to sort out those condemning, judgmental and closed minded idiots that are worshiping him. Please make a special effort with the fundamentalist creationists, frankly they scare the shit out of me.
Oh and while you’re at it, can we at least get a description of what he looks like? So far the consensus view is ‘Old Fat Bearded Man In Cloud’ – this would be a big help to all the religious artists out there, and we could be sure that it’s his likeness we’re seeing in our toasted cheese and not just some random hippy.
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“You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.”
Are you trying to tell us that you are the Invisible Pink Unicorn?
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Christian Cliche #4
“SALVATION IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY SORE SUBJECT FOR YOU – YOU ARE SO FULL OF HATE AND CONTEMPT”
Your arguments against born again fundamentalism make sense. I’ll have to change the focus of our discussion.
Christian Cliche # 5
“SOMEONE IN THE CHURCH MUST HAVE CAUSED YOU A GREAT DEAL OF HURT FOR YOU TO FEEL THIS WAY”
You couldn’t have possibly left Christianity just because you studied the Bible and you think you found inconsistencies and errors in it.
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Hello, Soo. It’s refreshing to see someone who doesn’t agree with the Pastafarians being polite and respectful in addressing them, and I’d like to thank you for that. Religious and areligious people alike can sometimes forget their manners, given the anonymity of the Internet. You seem to think that the reason many of us aren’t Christians is because we’ve had bad experiences with the Church or with its followers. In many cases, this may be true. However, a lot of Christians give this “bad experience” demographic too much attention. People can and do reject Christianity (or any religion) based on purely intellectual examination. Reading the Bible for myself and not relying on anyone else to tell me what it said was the event that turned me into an atheist. I used to have that faith in the unseen that you mentioned, and it hurt to lose it, but taking a good, hard, independent look at the Bible drove me away from Christianity once and for all. I’m not bitter at all; in fact, I’m happier than I ever was before. So please, Soo, I ask you not to chalk up all unbelief to bitterness and bad experiences. Some of us come by it more honestly and maturely than that. That said, let’s be happy together as people, recognizing and tolerating each other’s harmless differences.
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I’m wondering how Moses could know it was God for certain, if he wasn’t allowed to see him. It could have been Don Rickles in drag, for all we know.
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So your god doesn’t have a physical body… but apparently he has a back that he can show to moses? I just love these contradictions. I at least give you credit for not cursing us out and at least being calm about it, but that still does not excuse stupidity.
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First off, let me thank you for not wanting me to be tortured for all eternity. Second, as has been stated before, not all Pastafarians are atheists. I’ve considered myself a Pastafarian even when I was Catholic, although I am an atheist now.
In your letter, you say that I cannot claim you don’t exist simply because I never met you. As a matter of fact, I know for certain thatyou exist simply by the fact that you sent this e-mail. However, I cannot kow if you are who you say you are. You could be Soo, or Ashely, or Bobby Henderson, God himself, or even a bouncy ball that just bounced on the correct keys. The possibilities are endless. It is implied in your letter that you are Christian, but if you are just a bouncy ball, you of course are not Christian. Similarly, we know that God’s followers do at least exist because they left us the Bible, but we don’t know that what they say in the Bible is true. It could all easily be made up, or maybe God did exist but was really just some stupid drunk in town.
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Yes, I can’t be sure wether you exist or not, but your letter is a dead giveaway, don’t you think? But God never answered me. I asked a lot of questions some years ago, but I got no answer, so I thought, ‘What the heck, let’s talk so some other diety’. And that didn’t work either, but that’s another story.
And the calmness and grammar of your letter is pretty boring by the way. If you say, we are crazy you should say it in a funny way, making a fool of yourself in the process.
Ta Ta, T
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If you really loved your god, he would let you eat(partake) him everyday with a nice bottle of red on the side. There is nothing wrong with the christian god, but he doesn’t have an afterlife with beer volcanoes and strippers.
Honestly, its all about your belief system. If a website that exalts pasta and evolution is enough to shake your faith, then you really have NO faith at all!
RAMEN!
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I am beginning to think there is some xian group that makes it a sacred duty to send us posts that stop us from our sacred duty to drink beer because we feel moved to reply at great length. I am sure that this insight is a divine revelation and proof of the power of his noodley appendage, and I’m off up the pub. Soo, maybe I’ll see you there. It’s better than church, honest.
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“God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.”
the story of goldilocks also says that she ate from porridge made by bears. Goldilocks is a little like the bible, as in not a real story.
If your god really existed, there wouldn’t be half as much trouble in the world as their is today. why spend all your time devoting this life to the bible when you could live it? Heaven can’t be that great if it follows all the bibles’ rules…
RAmen
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You are a testament to circular logic.
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You tell us not to stereotype christians. You say that you are not all condeming and judgemental, but then you also say that we’re all bitter and angry people, making you a judgemental person. Bitter and Angry people go to other peoples’ religous website and post hate mail like you have done. Just because you don’t type in capitals and swear in our post it doesn’t make you any differnt to the other hate mailers that do. You all take one look at a religion different to yours and immediately regard it as bitter, agressive and wrong. And you all follow the exact same typical guidelines and philosophy in you posts: You’re wrong, I’m right, shut up. Soo and fellow bitter christians, you’re arogance and bitterness created this website.
Post script: Of course you’re all closed minded, don’t be ridiculous.
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You say do not judge you, and that you are not all the same. I agree fully with you here. Not all Christians are like YOU. They are generally worse.
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Congratulations to you Soo, you are the author of the first polite comment made by a Christian in this site I’ve ever seen!
I’d like to thank you for your concern, but actually I’m not angry with God, it’s just that I don’t see how is it that a book written by men is so right and holy… and why is Christianity the right religion, if there were lots of religions before it, and so similar to it too…
Come to think of it, if you were taugh since you were born that the true and only god is the FSM, you’d find it strange to believe in a god called God, right? ^^
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Thanks for being so nice. But, unconditional niceness is overated, you say that we should believe in God through faith alone. Is that really enough?
I’d like to also make a point, assuming that there is a god, he is either unimaginably cruel, or he just doesn’t give a damn, because ‘he’ kills hundreds of millions of people per day from diseases like TB, AIDS/HIV, cancer, and countless others, your god should start showing some compassion, ours does.
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The whole world has been hurt by Christians. The advancements in our technology such as medicine have long been delayed. The “Dark Ages” were “dark” because knowledge and research were just witchcraft and anyone trying to advance science and medicine was tortured to death (because Christians just weren’t the peace loving people they are today). No point in finding cures for illnesses when we can just pray to God right? If you were doing chemotherapy would you quit it for prayer? But the hurt Christianity has caused me and the whole world isn’t why I don’t worship God. I don’t worship the Christian God because it makes no logical sense to do so. Why would a God gift me with a large frontal lobe capable of reason and logic and then tell me the only way to salvation is to live my whole life by not using it and blindly following OTHER MEN who claim to know Gods will better than I? God wouldn’t do that, though the Devil might (he’s an interesting fellow who might pull such a prank). Either the Christian God is DUMB (by definition of defying reason and logic) or Christianity is DUMB, but certainly for Him to exist one of these conditions must be true.
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We are nor bitter nor angry at God. In fact, we cannot be bitter or angry at something that we believe probably do not exist.
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I’ve myself talked to your God for a long time, and all of a sudden I realized that I did not need it and that I had no reason to believe that it existed.
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Plus you argue for God invisibleness with bible quotes, which in fact must be reliable since their the word of God. And how do we know they’re the word of God? It’s written in the bible, which is reliable because it is the word of God. Doesn’t sound a bit weird?
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Peace and pastas! FSM bless you.
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“God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body.”
“BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back.”
How the hell does he not have a body, but can show off his ass to Moses?
Also, how are we in his image if he doesn’t have a body… not to mention, why the hell would we be a bunch of raping, pillaging, and warring dipshits?
If God put his image on anything (although he doesn’t seem to have one, according to you), it would be a cockroach (watch the first episode of Heroes) or spaghetti.
And we all know it’s spaghetti. We have a graph.
RAmen
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this just another form of christians contradicting themselves. you say that god has no body, and that no one knows what he looks like, but why does the bible say that god created us in his own image?
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OK, here is your problem:
“I hope you would at least try to ask God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist.”
You don’t need to ask someone if they are real, you obviously know they are real if you are asking them a question… You wouldn’t ask an invisable little pink unicorn if he is real, becasue you know he is not. So asking this question of god is not an ernst attempt to inquire about his reality, it is a thinly vailed chiristian mindgame: You WILL find that god is real if you ask him this question, not because he actually is real, but because you already believe he is. Falacy, Falacy, Falacy.
Well I don’t believe he is real, soo.
And there is no sign, and nothing anyone can ever say to me to convince me that he is. Never. Ever. Amen.
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Dear Soo,
I, for one, has never been hurt by your god. Well, there is the matter of my old neighbour’s son, and some sixty others, dying in a fire three dimwits started because they weren’t allowed to join the party, but since I’m an atheist, I don’t blame the christian god for that. If you feel that’s the sort of thing your god does to people, you’re free to do so as far as I’m concerned.
In fact, the god you present sounds like a nice guy… but wait, is it a guy, or some manner of ghost? (How CAN your god be a ‘He’ if he doesn’t have a body that follows anatomical guidelines, anyway?) As for not to create any images of him, most churches (all, really) that I’ve been in have failed in this directive – Jesus on the cross, Jesus on stained-glass windows, paintings symbolising the Trinity (OK, so no picture of the Father) – so unless you’re a Calvinist or follower of some other offshoot of Christianity I haven’t heard of, I’ll consider the churches to be a more accurate representation than the individual. Or maybe you’re really a muslim? I understand they don’t approve of likenesses of their god OR their prophet.
I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the website – I found it stupendously hilarious. I don’t know if I laughed so much when I was a child. But, like I said, I have nothing against your god or your belief (well, I don’t believe in either, so it’s probably more accurate to say I don’t care enough to take a position in the matter). If you read further, though, it’s quite obvious why His Noodliness made himself known unto the world. Personally, though, I’m more concerned about whether or not I’m real. If the answer is yes, I can move on to worry about my day-to-day affairs. If not… I get worried. I don’t need a book to do that.
Faith in the unseen, you say. I haven’t seen my conscience anywhere, or the inside of my mind, yet I follow them as though in thrall.
I pleases my old and dark soul that you’re open-minded, but you still don’t seem flexible enough to grasp the full meaning of Pastafarianism, nor how it doesn’t in fact target your garden-variety christian. And saddened as you are by this website, how sad were you when you found out that your god would punish those who beleive in other gods through seven generations?
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“We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded. ”
– this is wonderful material.
x
RAmen
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Soo,
You poor deluded person, just because somthing is written down does not make it a fact. That is why we have fiction and religious sections in bookshops.
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How can you say such abominations as this fsm, this is blasphemy! And you say where is the evidence for our God above all others? Ill tell you where our God predicts the future, can your stupid pun do that! And if you will continue to spread this foolish mockery then your will know the the wrath of the Almighty God, He will come and strike you with every cruel thing, the LORD will strike thee with fire and hail, and great earthquakes, He will go so far as to throw the stars themselves down upon you. And yes it is true that when you read this you will say “this christian is a fool, he is judgmental and always pushing his Faith” but on the Day Of The LORD, then you will remember what I have said and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth AMEN!!!
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My first visit to your website although I’ve heard of the FSM and his noodly appendage before! I like your photos. They’re very cute, if that’s not irreverent.
I’m a Christian so want to support Soo, and I appreciate the polite tone of Soo’s comment and many of the replies above. It does no good to any “side” to get rude and offensive. In my experience people don’t persuade other people anyway, and in that sense arguing is pretty futile generally – people just become more entrenched.
Cape Buffalo, above says, “And there is no sign, and nothing anyone can ever say to me to convince me that he is. Never. Ever. Amen.” and I think that sums it up for those of us who’re convinced of our position, atheist, Christian or whatever. I’m equally entrenched. Because I’ve now experienced what I believe (you will disagree obviously) to be a living relationship with God for several decades, you might as well try to persuade me that my earthly father doesn’t exist (I know you haven’t met my earthly dad, so you might think he doesn’t exist, but I KNOW he does).
I have no intention of trying to convince you though. And what I say below is to defend my belief, not attack yours. One of the things I believe is that God gives you free will and y’all are exercising that in choosing your path.
On the other hand, IF it turns out that I’m right, I’ll have lost absolutely nothing. I’m having a wonderful life as a Christian, and it’s led me to the fascinating world of prison chaplaincy, and also marriage to a kind, honest man. It’s given me a deep sense of peace and joy which is with me even when I go through times that are neither peaceful nor joyful. You will say I’m deluded. Even if I am, so what?! If I’m right, I will be able to go to heaven when I die. If I’m wrong, I won’t be lying in my coffin thinking, “Damn, I backed the wrong horse. I should have gone with atheism.” I won’t be thinking anything. So I’ll never know if I’m wrong. If you’re wrong, though, you’ll find out one day.
I know some Christians in history (or at least those claiming to be Christians) have done appalling things, but not all Christians have. We are all human and stuff up often, but we’re sometimes actually quite likeable. I have many friends who’re atheists and we get on great!
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“You wouldn’t ask an invisible little pink unicorn if he is real, because you know he is not.” This is NOT the best approach, Just because the Christians are being unfriendly , does not mean we should go & pick on the followers of the church of the invisible pink unicorn & other “Respectable” churches that refrained from holy wars & inquisitions (NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!) Granted Scientology is not as respected as Voodoo, the Harte Krisnas, the moonies, & the more established alternative religions, but then again, we dont want to single any of them out either as faith in anything, without proof, leaves ALL possibilities open… Sadly, organ donation is swelling the ranks of many faiths as brain donors are vulnerable to assimilation by fundamentalists……
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“We are not all closed minded.” Wot? I haven’t laughed so much since grandma caught her tits in the mangle.
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Our conviction is from the heart, too. Let’s not play My God Can Beat Up Your God, OK?
Nobody’s hurt or angry here, Soo. Not every new religion is a response to the Christians.
We’re very nice people who simply don’t need a Book (anybody’s Book, for that matter) to tell us what is right and wrong, what is logical or illogical. It’s actually damned easy to figure out if you’re a decent, intelligent person, don’t you think?
His Holy Noodliness, as far as I can tell, is just as real as any other deity out there…he’s unseen, mysterious and backed up with literature written by His believers. Just because my parents didn’t teach me about Him doesn’t make Him a lesser god.
You can hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster but he loves you anyway, too. The only difference between Him and most other gods is that He won’t smite you for not believing in Him. He’s totally cool with your skepticism.
To tell you the truth (and this will probably just piss you off), He sincerely hopes that you have a nice day.
Thanks for stopping by.
rAmen!
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I asked god if he existed, I didn’t get a reply.
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I’m very glad that this particular message was not just the usual “F-you assholes, go to Hell” sort of mail. Very thoughtful and deep. Though the FSM is the one and only true God, you can believe anything you want.
Also, I’d like to thank you for your mostly correct spelling and grammar.
RAmen,
Nahmala
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I am sorry you have been hurt by Pastafarians. It is obvious by your website. You can deny the FSM all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate FSM but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no FSM, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
FSM himself stated in the Pastafarian Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it because we have no idea what FSM really looks like.
I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history and why you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask FSM if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist. FSM himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see FSM, if Moses was to actually see FSM face to face, he (Moses) would die due to FSM’s noodliness, BUT FSM did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see FSM’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing FSM’s noodliness.
Pastafarianism requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart.
If hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying. Do not stereotype Pastafarians. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo
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48 – November 1st, 2008 at – AnneDroid Says:
“On the other hand, IF it turns out that I’m right, I’ll have lost absolutely nothing.”
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With that logic, you could just join every religion, as well as ours, just to be sure. Nothing lost if wrong and everything gained if right.
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AnneDroid,
You see, I think we’d get on great even though we clearly disagree–the hate mail section has a way of bringing out the worst of the Christian crowd (and our own at times). If the world was full of more Christians like you, that’d be progress. I don’t agree with your, “what’ve I got to lose” view of faith (I’m actually not sure that believing to cover your bases counts as faith, but I’m no expert on that so I’ll defer to you). While believing because it’s the route that can’t possibly lead to eternal damnation is prudent, I find it intellectually dishonest. Maybe the FSM crowd could pull in some more support if we created a really bad consequence for non-believers, like real volcanoes instead of beer volcanoes. Just seems kind of mean though.
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Thanks for extending a positive hand, instead of an attack.
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Our friend “Christian” seems to think we are blasphemers becauses our “religion” mirrors his ideology.
Listen up, Pip.
The only proof that you have of your god is some old scrolls, a touch of Jewish history, and your own sense of conviction that you are right. But does that make your view the correct one and everyone else on the planet is wrong?
The whole problem with christianity is that unwavering sense that your world view is the only way and all other views are heresy. Don’t believe the way we do, you’re hellbound. Does it upset you so much that maybe someone else doesn’t share your take on the universal conscious divine? That maybe humans are just smart enough to have some insight on how our universe works without having to conjure up 7 day creations, world floods, and divine zombies? Can anyone disagree with you without you telling them they will suffer eternal damnation for their counterpoint.
I hope that someday, His Noodly Appendage will touch your tortured heart and fill it with basil and pesto. That you’ll let go of a really dim perspective of your fellow man and hug a pirate. That you can look in a biology book and think that being related to primates isn’t as bad as being related to Platyhelmenthes. You don’t need to believe in some god to love your planet and mankind, you just do it.
Go to a decent Italian bistro, order a plate of pasta and really talk to the waiter. Doug Adams would approve of that. Maybe you’ll open up.
rAmen!
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You’ve never seen Santa Claus, does that mean he doesn’t exsist? Santa himself told me that he can fly around the world in one night. You’ve never seen me, but you know i exsist. santa told me he can do anything. who are you to say that he can’t? you’ve never seen him. Don’t believe what i’m saying? than why do you believe the confused ramblings of people 2,000 years ago?
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This guy’s better than most. He may be a crazy zealot, but at least he didn’t freak out with the caps lock and just shout the words FUCK at us
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So if I deny and hate god, he will still love me and let me into heaven? That is so good and kind of him to do that. And I was worried he would send me to eternal hellfire, because that would make him an asshole.
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My problem with organized religions is their depiction of God. Represented in the comment by Christian;
“And if you will continue to spread this foolish mockery then your will know the the wrath of the Almighty God, He will come and strike you with every cruel thing, the LORD will strike thee with fire and hail, and great earthquakes, He will go so far as to throw the stars themselves down upon you. ”
In this kind of depiction God is shown as a petulant 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he is jealous (play my way or I will kill you). All the major religions other than Buddhism depict God in this light; can’t anyone else see the disconnect between an all-knowing all-powerful being and this kind of behavior? This takes a Supreme Being (God) and gives him the worst of human emotions, not the best. Why would a being of such power even care what we thought? Such a being would not require worship; he already has all the power and knowledge. Such a being would be completely beyond our comprehension so assigning him human emotional characteristics is just a form of anthropomorphizing that has gotten out of control. It is an attempt by people to make God in an image that justifies their behaviors. I’m sorry but I can’t logically believe in that kind of God. I am not atheist I do believe in God, but not the one that organized religion wants to push down our throat because their version doesn’t make the least bit of sense.
Christians will argue that the Bible is the proof they need. Well then they need to learn the history of their Bible. For example the Jesus story, shows up in many older religions for their important people. A lot of the parts of the story are the same. Many have a virgin birth, there are others that have a resurrection (same time frame and everything), and etc. The list is pretty long. Only when you can look at the complete history, like the editing, the translations (many languages to don’t translate well into each other) the copying errors made by monks copying the Bible (a good number who could not read), etc. can you know your religious text. I won’t even get into the fact that nowhere in the Bible is there mention of fiery hell. The church adopted that from Dante’s work.
I think people who feel that others must believe as they believe are actually that way because they are insecure in their beliefs. The more fervent the less secure they are. They need others to believe the same as them to give credence to their own belief. They justify it a number of ways to themselves the most common one is that they are ’saving the non-believer’. The truth is they are trying to save themselves, so they don’t have to think through what they believe and why.
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“One of the things I believe is that God gives you free will and y’all are exercising that in choosing your path.”
It’s very lovely that, he does, but, when you say, we’ll go to hell if you turn out to be right, it doesn’t sound so nice of him, now does it?
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“You can hate God but he loves you”
a qute frome anather christen (not the one how posted hire he is jast way to extreem)
“plise belive in jesus i dont want you to go to hell” (frome anather hate maile)
so… he love’s as no meatter wat.. bat he will send as to hell any way.
“if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness”
so this god is all mighty yet he cant even show his face? you’d think he’l have the power to show himself withawt killing someone right?
so is that mean thet the power of “holiness” is more powerfull then god? then if someone will be soo “holy” he can be more powerfull then god. that dosent mack any senss to me =\
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why do christians feel that their words will somehow change how an atheist feels about the supernatural? its not like the book christians purport to have been written by an almighty god did anything to change that (although maybe its because no god had any hand in writing that hateful piece of work)
why would your fear inducing strategy change anything? calm down, put your head back in the sand
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Isn’t there a presupposition in this post that the only reason we’re not drinking the Xtain Kool Aid which as we know from this lady is all about “Love” is because we were hurt by some “bad old Christians” and she’s gonna kiss the boo-boo and convert us. LOL!
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Dear Soo:
I have asked god if he was real. He presented me with a jar of Ragu. I think that’s pretty telling.
RAmen,
Meisha
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“You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either. ”
Well you COULD be a fictional character, someone made to troll us pastafaians, yet again.
Just let us be! Go bugger the muslims insted or something…
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48 – November 1st, 2008 at – AnneDroid Says
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As homo sapiens like most other sexually reproduced animals have all a father and mother, it is quite obvious that you also have a biological father. However an imaginary ‘Sky-daddy’ with white beard, big pumpkin, pink unicorn etc. is just a warm fuzzy feeling , an imagination of your brain not a fact.
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Well again this ‘free will’ staff as last Apologetic refuge for all atrocities and suffering in the world allowed from your alleged exiting omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God. The last refuge of theodicy it’s all coming to ‘free will’ even the insane child rapist who tortured his little child victim slowly to death as ‘his free will’ – and the little girl’s ‘free will’ – well God moves in mysterious ways and (hopefully) Jesus takes her home to heaven. Yes even the best theist apologist philosophers ala Swinburne, Platinga, Lane-Craig defending the Holocaust as ‘free will’ and of course ‘God moves in mysterious ways’ in their theodicy. Pathetic !!
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Well again Blaisse Pascal’s old wager, which makes only sense if you already belief that YHWH and his son Jesus of the Bible is the true God and eternal hell does exits (roasting forever and ever in hellfire if you don’t believe). What if Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Thor, Baal, Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva, the FSM or whatever Deity is the correct bet ?? Then I would not like to be in your or anybody of YHWH theists wrong bet position on judgment day, because Baal’s eternal hell is waiting for you !!
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Possibly there are also happy marriages possible without believing in YHWH and Jesus? Poor Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, Muslims etc… woman they will never find a decent husband without Jesus. And I really hope that you life up to the Bible and take St. Paul seriously : Don’t waste your time with sexual pleasure, the end is near in 2-3 years so focus on God not your husband !
(written 55 AD, so the end times are supposed to have happened 57-58 AD already)
And about enjoying ‘Christian life’ I am not that sure if it is really that enjoying to follow a sin focused misery cult, wasting Sundays in church, or hours every day in prayer, bending down towards Mecca 5 times a day, locking children up in the cabinet and let them recite Bible verses, throwing yourself to the floor to creep slowly forward for month towards Lhasa for enlightenment, spending vast amounts to televangelists, running from door to door with Jehovah’s pocket Bible to proselytize, rejecting science achievements based on faith …etc..
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48 – November 1st, 2008 at – AnneDroid Says
[”Because I’ve now experienced what I believe (you will disagree obviously) to be a living relationship with God for several decades, you might as well try to persuade me that my earthly father doesn’t exist (I know you haven’t met my earthly dad, so you might think he doesn’t exist, but I KNOW he does). “]
As homo sapiens like most other sexually reproduced animals have all a father and mother, it is quite obvious that you also have a biological father. However an imaginary ‘Sky-daddy’ with white beard, big pumpkin, pink unicorn etc. is just a warm fuzzy feeling , an imagination of your brain not a fact.
[”One of the things I believe is that God gives you free will “]
Well again this ‘free will’ staff as last Apologetic refuge for all atrocities and suffering in the world allowed from your alleged exiting omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God. The last refuge of theodicy it’s all coming to ‘free will’ even the insane child rapist who tortured his little child victim slowly to death as ‘his free will’ – and the little girl’s ‘free will’ – well God moves in mysterious ways and (hopefully) Jesus takes her home to heaven. Yes even the best theist apologist philosophers ala Swinburne, Platinga, Lane-Craig defending the Holocaust as ‘free will’ and of course ‘God moves in mysterious ways’ in their theodicy. Pathetic !!
[”On the other hand, IF it turns out that I’m right, I’ll have lost absolutely nothing” ….”if I am, so what?! If I’m right, I will be able to go to heaven when I die”]
Well again Blaisse Pascal’s old wager, which makes only sense if you already belief that YHWH and his son Jesus of the Bible is the true God and eternal hell does exits (roasting forever and ever in hellfire if you don’t believe). What if Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Thor, Baal, Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva, the FSM or whatever Deity is the correct bet ?? Then I would not like to be in your or anybody of YHWH theists wrong bet position on judgment day, because Baal’s eternal hell is waiting for you !!
[”and also marriage to a kind, honest man”]
Possibly there are also happy marriages possible without believing in YHWH and Jesus? Poor Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, Muslims etc… woman they will never find a decent husband without Jesus. And I really hope that you life up to the Bible and take St. Paul seriously : Don’t waste your time with sexual pleasure, the end is near in 2-3 years so focus on God not your husband !
(written 55 AD, so the end times are supposed to have happened 57-58 AD already)
And about enjoying ‘Christian life’ I am not that sure if it is really that enjoying to follow a sin focused misery cult, wasting Sundays in church, or hours every day in prayer, bending down towards Mecca 5 times a day, locking children up in the cabinet and let them recite Bible verses, throwing yourself to the floor to creep slowly forward for month towards Lhasa for enlightenment, spending vast amounts to televangelists, running from door to door with Jehovah’s pocket Bible to proselytize, rejecting science achievements based on faith …etc..
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Soo, men wrote your bible, not god.
The bible is not only poor fiction, it’s poorly written fiction.
Good luck with the delusion.
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Nightshade,
I am an avid pastafarian, but do you have any citations for hell being adopted from Dante’s work? I cannot find anything on google and am wondering where you got this from.
Ramen
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Soo, it’s not that we don’t believe in your God. We’re just waiting for empirical proof of his/her/it’s existence. By the way. Thanks for not being rude and foul mouthed. It’s a nice change from the usual Jerry Springer types that send us hate mail.
About being sad and angry, I’m just sad and angry because of the sheer stupidity of 99% of the Christians out there. Most of you people firmly believe that you’ll get to your heaven no matter how many atrocities you preform as long as you have Jesus in your hearts. So all of these priests who have molested and butt fucked children are still getting into heaven? What about hypocritical coke addicted tele-evangelists? Are the Spanish Inquisitors in heaven? If they are than your religion is one awful foul disease that needs to be completely removed from this planet. I have yet to meet a Christian who truly lives up to what a Christian is supposed to be, according to the 10 commandments. I have pretty much always found that Christians are some of the least educated but most closed minded people ever. They also seem to be the ones who will strike first when confronted with a viewpoint that is different from theirs. How does one define a Christian? That’s the person who is hitting you in God’s name. I’m just wondering how long it will be before we have Christian suicide bombers. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen before the end of this decade. But I digress.
I’m glad you said Christians are not all closed minded but I’d sure like to meet one. Even you don’t seem to really understand the point behind this website. Do any of you ever read the Open Letter to the Kansas State School Board? I’ve yet to see a hate-mail from someone who has and I’ve been here for a couple of years. I hope you come back but I know I’m just pissing in the wind here. I would truly like to see just how open minded you really are. not to convert you, that’d be wrong, but to see if you can totally understand us and why we are the way we are. Unfortunately for you that would probably mean denouncing some of your beliefs and I can’t see you doing that. After all, you already believe things that can be scientifically proven to be untrue.
The dead did not come back after being buried for three days 2,000 years ago. Just didn’t happen. If it did, why is there only one record of it and that was written a few hundred years later.
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Guys guys, insulting Christianity is NOT what the Flying Spaghetti monster would want. There are always going to be Christians that try to change us, but we must not use their religion as an insult at them. We must accept their views as what they are: theirs, regardless of whether or not they accept Our Lord the Noodly One. Please, remember who our true Lord is. We represent him through our actions. He is a gracious Noodly Lord, and we must represent him as such! Only then will people realize that he is the only true God.
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Dan,
There have been documentaries on the subject and books as well but for simplification here is a quote from one websight:
The primary images of hell we have today came from the poet Dante Alighieri (1265-1321). In The Divine Comedy, Dante takes the reader through three realms of the dead: Hell, Purgatory, and Paradise. The poet has developed places for every type of person, allowing him to editorialize about people’s actions in the world of his day. In the process, he creates vivid scenes of Hell, Purgatory, and Paradise. Those, then, became the basis for virtually all of the artistic depictions of hell in the middle ages and our modern conceptions of a hell with demons, torment, and fire. All of it is poetry; none came from the Bible.
http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm
It would be more correct to say that there is no mention of a feiry hell in the bible. Durning the middle ages it was adopted into sermons to fighten their worshipers into abiding by church doctrine. When Dante and then Milton wrote their works is when the modern version of hell we are familiar with became part of Christianity. The no where in any translation of the Bible is there pits of fire or the like. Lots of Christian and Chatholic sights out there that depict the influence of Dante on the concept of hell.
John Milton (1608-1674)
Milton’s Paradise Lost ended the embellishments of hell, both because of the masterpiece Milton had created and because not much more could be originated that Dante and Milton hadn’t already created through the genius of their imaginations.
If the church created hell, Dante and Milton furnished, decorated, and populated it. The church was delighted with the horrific images that would frighten the flock into submission and encourage conversion through fear, so it adopted them in toto. The fact that the images weren’t biblical was a meaningless detail.
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AnneDroid,
Interesting post. So belief in god gives you pleasure, and you don’t care if you are right or wrong. It seems to me, god is not entirely different from…heroine, for example.
Which is an interesting philosophy. But see, there are others, who actually care about what is TRUE. Not least, among which, is Einstein, who said, while appreciating the beauty of the Universe: “In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a deeply religious person”.
But since the true believers always suggest that we give god a chance, let me ask you, ever considered giving science a chance? Just pick any science popularizer. be it Sean Carroll, Brian Greene, Frans deWaal, Stephen Oppenheimer, etc and go over their books. You never know how exciting and satisfying reality can be until you try.
As for our other contributor “Christian”, thanks for reminding us, as if we needed it, how loving your god is.
Ramen
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By the way, AnneDroid, if a Hindu tells you he knows Hinduism is true because he has a happy marriage built around it, and besides, he has had a relationship with Vishnu for decades, don’t you think that’s plain…OK, never mind…
As for being a prison chaplain, doesn’t it bother you that you are surrounded all the time by people who have a motive to lie to you? I’m glad it works for you, it wouldn’t for me.
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I am sorry you have been hurt by FSMists. It is obvious by your comment. You can deny His Noodliness all you want but He (and here I take special care to capitalize His Noodliness’ pronoun) will not deny you. You can hate His Noodliness but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no His Noodliness, but the difference between you and I is that I think you can deny that I exist too.
His Noodliness himself stated in all the mystical ways of His world that He has the power to change the mystical ways of that world, including creating and destroying the physical bodies of other gods. That is why there is no uniform opinion about whether or not the Christian god actually has a body, or even a spirit. These observations are all subject to the will of the FSM.
I too was saddened by your comment. I do not know your history and why you have so little faith but I hope you would at least try to ask FSM if He comes with Parmesan, or if He needs no condiment. This will somehow show you the difference between right and wrong, and questions of existence will no longer be important.
Be well, my son.
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niteshade, how dare you compare God to a five year old! God loves his followers and grants them His endless patience. God DOES NOT however take too kindly to mockery. This is a typical atheist paradox. If God kills evil people you call Him a mass-murdering monster, But if He doesn’t do anything about evil and just lets it go, you complain about the evil in the world and why God allows it. God destroys evil and you call it murder, God doesn’t and you call it negligence to Creation! God can punish evil just as easily as He can grant Christians immortality. God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil. If you say God isn’t real it wont help you escape Hell anymore than jumping off a building while yelling “there’s no such thing as gravity!” will make you stop falling Amen!!!
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Reading that third paragraph is like listening to a Head-On advertisement. God: Apply directly where you need an excuse to invade foreign countries! Moses: Apply directly where your logic begins to fall apart!
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Christian (#79) – you seem to be giving your god a lot of attribues that belong to you. It’s you that loves Christians and Christianity, it is you that detests your beliefs being mocked, it is you that assumes God only kills ‘evil’ people and spares the good, it is you that wants to believe that those that disagree with you will suffer.
You have decided that what you think is what god thinks are the same. You’ve made yourself into a false idol and if the Christians are right, that’ll consign you to hell.
I’m looking forward to the beer volcanoe, RAmen
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christian–
you might want to take a look at Niteshade’s post #75 above. Hell is a made-up concept. Just like the rest of xianity. See my post #14. You are certainly not acting the part of the xian do-gooder when you wantonly curse and damn us. Who the fuck are you to judge me? How many houses have you built for poor people? How many homeless animals have you rescued? How many times have you shoveled out the little old lady next door without being asked? Go ahead and believe whatever you like, that’s your right. But don’t come snorting around here pretending that your ideas have any validity beyond your own imagination, because we’re not buying it.
RAmen
ET
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Our frined “Christian”(a shining example of the teachings of his faith indeed)keeps gracing us with his presence. I feel sad for him, because by denying His Noodliness he will end up with stale beer and STD laden strippers for eternity. Won’t that be an unhappy eventuality. FSM is love but there is a limit to how much evil His Noodliness will put up with. He thinks that denying the FSM will save him his comeuppance. That is just like jumping off a cliff in the delusion that you are a bird. Unfortunately he is not listening to the call to wake up and smell the pasta. Oh well, even Bobby Henderson cannot save everyone. Sad but inevitable.
Ramen
PS: Keep it coming buddy.
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At Christian: Your God does not exist. It’s called brainwashing you moron. Since you are such a hate full Idiot, I will be waiting for you down here in Hell.
Lucifer
P.S. Don’t forget to keep giving money to your pervert Priest, he needs it to continue molesting kids.
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….@ace_rancid. Right on. I’d like to supplement your advertisement: ….And in the case of rectal discomfort, Christian, shove it directly up next to your beliefs…
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“God himself stated in the Bible”
God did not write the Bible, the Torah, the Quran or any other such book. Religion was invented by man FOR man. If there was an omnipotent being who really wanted us to follow his wishes, he would have come up with something better than that old rambling, contradictory, plagarized set of fables.
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On November 2nd, 2008 Christian Said in part:
“This is a typical atheist paradox. If God kills evil people you call Him a mass-murdering monster, But if He doesn’t do anything about evil and just lets it go, you complain about the evil in the world and why God allows it. God destroys evil and you call it murder, God doesn’t and you call it negligence to Creation! God can punish evil just as easily as He can grant Christians immortality. God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil.”
I let your earlier rant go unanswered, but this last is too much. Don’t you even remember reading in your bible about God killing innocent children? After God “hardened Pharaoh’s heart” so as to cause him to refuse to let the Hebrews leave Egypt, God killed uncounted thousands of children, who had nothing to do with keeping anyone anywhere.
In case you need to review, here are the exact words, directly from your god, who after all, is the actual author of your book (right?)
Exodus 12:29
And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
In addition to “hating evil,” it looks like he also hates first born children. I’m sad for you if that is the kind of god you worship.
RAmen
PS You seem confused about immortality, too. God did not make a special grant of immortality to Christians. We are all immortal. Some of us will spend time with the (fresh) beer volcano, near the stripper factory and some of will have to be satisfied with stale beer and stale strippers.
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@79 Christian,
Yeah, niteshade is totally off-base. God is more like a teething two-year-old.
So, God destroys evil? Does God care anything about collateral damage? You know, all the young children who die horrible deaths because of bad things adults around them do? And I’m not sure about God killing evil. Please, when was the last verifiable instance of God doing something about anything?
As for the gravity comparison, well, we have evidence of the existence of gravity, and a nonrefutable theory as to the cause of gravity: the frequent touch of His Noodly Appendages. Show me evidence for your God and for hell.
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Christian,
I never said God is like a 5 year old. I said organized religions like Christianity portray him as a 5 year old. I believe in God but I do not buy you and organized religions version of him because it lacks any kind of reasonable sense. I suggest you learn to read. Making replies like yours with out reading and understanding what was written makes you look ignorant.
Unlike you I have done research into the history of the Bible. It rips off many other religions in it’s stories. For example the Jesus story, shows up in many older religions for their important people. A lot of the parts of the story are the same. Many have a virgin birth, there are others that have a resurrection (same time frame and everything), and etc. The list is pretty long. Only when you can look at the complete history, like the editing, the translations (many languages to don’t translate well into each other) the copying errors made by monks copying the Bible (a good number who could not read), etc. can you know your religious text. I won’t even get into the fact that nowhere in the Bible (in any translation) is there mention of fiery hell.
So when I die what happens will be between me and my God, you don’t get a say.
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To Christian, post 79.
I noticed one or two exclaimation marks creeping into your post,I have always been taught that you should steer well clear off anyone who uses more than two at once! I almost felt the need to wipe spittle and bile off of my screen.
Gravity is an accepted scientfic theory with a whole bookshop’s worth of evidence for it.If you jump off a building because you don’t beleive in Gravity then you are a muppet. Likewise belief in a God without any evidence (and I don’t mean the best selling work of Fiction that is The Bible – I read it once – bit boring despite far too much violence, murder and gratuitous anal sex for my liking) makes you a muppet – especially if you’re saying that to avoid Hell I just need to say “God is real”. There I’ve said it now, so I won’t be going to hell, even though he doesn’t and I consider myself an Atheist at level 6 almost 7 (see The God Delusion – Richard Dawkins).
Peace out!
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@Christian:
Pip…Boobie! Why all the anger?
Can you not see the paradox of a god with, as you put it, “endless patience” and this same god that “doesn’t take kind to mockery”. That is the emotional level of a five year old, if you ask me. Why don’t you think that god has a sense of humor and can take some old fashioned criticism. If you would carefully read your holy book; (and just to make it easy for you, here’s chapter and verse) god is by his own admission to blame fo rall the good and bad.
Isaiah 45:6-7
“I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light create darkness.I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord do all THESE things.”
Pretty good, eh? I’m an ex Sunday School teacher!
If your universe is centered around an omniscient, omnipresent god, don’t you think your god created evil? Why would you need to concern yourself with being good all the time if evil didn’t exist. And should evil be destroyed, just what would christians occupy their time with? A saucy game of Jenga, perhaps?!
I’m serious! Didn’t god create satan(evil), if he didn’t, who the fuck did? Shouldn’t you be sending their website your hate-mail instead.
Another thing for you to think about: an all knowing everywhere at once deity would know before your birth of all the kind and ill acts you would commit thru your lifespan. Knowing this, why do you need redemption? He already knows if you’re heaven or hellbound; why allow you to spin your wheels for 75+ years with the knowledge that you’re just wasting your time and are going to hell anyway.
Think about it, Pip
rAmen
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Theo #55 and Lindy #56, thanks for your reply to my comment. :) I don’t think I made myself very clear though. I didn’t mean that my motive for believing was a kind of vaccination/insurance/just in case policy. I was just saying that IF I’m wrong (which obviously I don’t think I am, as YOU don’t think YOU’RE wrong), it won’t matter.
Insightful Ape #76 and #77, you say, “So belief in god gives you pleasure, and you don’t care if you are right or wrong”. I didn’t mean that either. Nor did I say it, or else (quite likely) I am less good at expressing myself than I thought. Of course I care. I believe that what I believe is true, which is why I believe it. It does bring me pleasure, and joy, and peace, but ONLY because I believe it’s true! Occasionally I have doubts. So do some atheists. But mainly I DO believe it’s true and I doubt less as the years go by. Nor did I mean that my marriage was ONLY happy because I’m a Christian and that non-Christian marriages are unhappy – of course I don’t think that. I KNOW that’s not true, plainly not, and I’m not sure why you thought I was saying that. I just meant that were it not for our then local church my husband and I would never have met. And you say: “As for being a prison chaplain, doesn’t it bother you that you are surrounded all the time by people who have a motive to lie to you? I’m glad it works for you, it wouldn’t for me.” I used to work for the Department of Social Security (now Benefits Agency) and before that in a Night Shelter. So the experience of being lied to is not a new thing! Trying to spot the lies from the truths is quite stimulating. And I do get paid to listen to absolutely fascinating stories – many of them all too true – and drink coffee with the tellers of them. There are many worse ways to make a living, some of which I’ve even tried.
Roland #69 and #70. Thanks for your comment too. I don’t know where to begin to reply so I won’t try. As you may by now have gathered, debating isn’t my strong point. :)
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“Do not stereotype Christians. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.”
However, we all seem to like trying to convince people that our religion is the only religion. (:
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If you are teaching evolution as a real idea than you must teach Judaism, Christianity, Muslim, Aethism and every other religion as real, in the school totally unbiased. Solution: don’t teach evolution, it’s fake, I believe in God I am not going to force that on you but you must understand that you say we have no proof of God.
YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF EVOLUTION EITHER!
get a life, seriously…
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Tam #93. It may seem like that. Another possible interpretation is that we are like beggars telling other beggars where we found food.
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Hi AnneDroid (#92) – it seems to me that your faith has brought a lot of good into your life, which is great! I (and many others here) have no problem with that. You have a right to believe in whatever you wish; even if I think it is silly.
It’s when religions’ try to put their values and beliefs into laws that affect me that I get concerned. Does your faith mean you oppose laws that;
Allow abortion?
Seperate religous and scientific education?
Legalise Homosexuality or same sex marriage?
This is aside from dubious moral practises such as child baptism and targetting vulnerable people for conversion. Obviously you’re entitled to your views but relgions often use pressure tactics for these views to be enforced on others, especially children. That I cannot sit by and accept.
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“If you say God isn’t real it wont help you escape Hell anymore than jumping off a building while yelling “there’s no such thing as gravity!” will make you stop falling Amen!!!”–Christian
Should I click my heels and say “God isn’t real…God isn’t real” and it will get me to hell just like the ruby slippers and chanting “There’s no place like home…there’s no place like home” got Dorothy home in the Wizard of Oz?
“God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil.”
Hate is such a strong word. According to the bible, there is a lot of evil. I guess god should get working, eh? But he doesn’t because we still have rapists, murderers and child molesters living and breathing evil every day they are alive. What about that evil?
As for the granting of immortality, that’s just more bs spouted by a bs machine called Christianity. Its meant to save the world from having a great sex life and living their lives to the fullest. Its meant to save people from themselves. Its meant, at its core, to be a restrictive and prejudice way of living your life in the smallest brain capacity. You don’t have to think anymore. You don’t have to look for answers. You’ve got everything you need in a faulty book created by people just to control other people.
No thanks, Christian. I’ll stick with Lucifer and hell, if there is one. I suspect when I arrive there will be a red carpet rolled out for me, a limo, paparazzi, and a brass band playing “Hail to the Chief” to be followed with a catered reception. But there isn’t a hell. It doesn’t exist.
One last thing: No one likes having your Christian dogma stuffed down our throats. Its rude and presumptous.
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Hi AnneDroid, thanks for your civil tone(which is a rare commodity these days). I don’t particularly care what your personal beliefs are, and I am glad you are living a happy life. But my personal philosophy is, in order to accept something, there should be some evidence (and personal experience doesn’t count-different people can argue in favor of contradicting claims based on this). If you don’t agree that is fine.
As for being wrong-there is more than one way to be wrong. Many Muslims believe it is an unforgivable heresy to think Jesus was the son of god(the Koran proclaims god was not begotten and does not beget children). They claim Jesus was a prophet but not divine. According to them you will go to hell when you die. See, you may not be protected if you are “wrong”. I reject their notion based on lack of evidence.
As you have seen here not all your fellow christians are as nice as you are. Don’t you have anything to say to the pleasant guy referring to himself here as “Christian”?
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@79 Christian,
I love your GOD. He/she (which is it by the way?) provides me with endless comic relief. I do feel saddened that all of those priests are having anal sex with those little boys in his/her name though. It further saddens me that those people will end up in your heaven because they are speaking the word of your god. If that is the case,(and I am wrong) I will be enjoying the Keg party next to at the Suite next to Satan’s in your made up hell… (I feel that there is a better chance that it will be a stripper factory and a beer volcano though…)
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Oh boy, amusements at the Church of His Noodliness never end. This time it is “A Christian” claiming there is no evidence for evolution. Look buddy, here is what I think: in the spirit of inclusiveness, all mosques, churches, and synagogues should be required to teach the “altenative theory” that the world was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster(and schools of course, that goes without saying). Those that refuse to “teach the controversy” should be required to pay taxes like everyone else. Fair enough?
PS: Of course we cannot prove evolution. We cannot prove other unsubstantiated “theories” like theory of relativity, cell theory and electromagnetic theory either. These are all parts of a grand left wing conspiracy named REALITY.
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A Christian,
Fossil records, DNA sequencing, etc. I could go on about the data collected about evolution. I don’t say fact because in science there are no facts. To this day gravity is just a ’scientific theory’, it is not and never will be a fact in the scientific community. My PhD is Molecular Genetics. I could go on forever about the data. The fact is you obviously have no understanding of even rudimentary science, the difference between an everyday ‘theory’ and a ’scientific theory’ so it would be a huge waste of my time. Faith in God is fine, I myself believe in God, but do yourself a favor and get an education. Science and God (yes even evolution) do not have to be mutually exclusive. Only those with an incredibly limited view of God thinks it has to be.
Ramen
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Soo-
Thanks for being so polite! But our mockery is directed at some of the more fanatical aspects of religion, and I hope it doesn’t seem like we’re stereotyping that everyone is like that. Even though it’s really fucking (excuse my language) annoying when people start trying to shove their beliefs down my throat. I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the website, though.
If Christianity requires faith in the unseen, well, I guess I don’t have enough faith to believe in that. At least in your Christian “God”. You say ‘He’ loves me, but I don’t feel very loved, because if I did, I would probably also believe that Jesus was the son of ‘God’.
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A Christian apparently has no idea of what constitutes a religion and the differences between a religion (a philosophy of life and human interaction with the world generally based on a generally unprovable and unlikely series of precepts) and science (the systematic study of physical phenomena and how they interrelate with each other and the rest of the universe). He/she/it does seem to have a very good idea of how to makae a fool of him/her/itself by trying to shout down reality, however.
RAmen
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@ Christian
God hates evil? Just once I’d like to see God obliterate evil. Why not start with Robert Mugabe. He’s evil.
The whole problem is not that he’d be called a murderer but that nothing ever happens. Never. If that is the only reason God doesn’t destroy evil then that kind of makes God look like he’s more interested in approval than doing anything. Granted it could be possible that he’s simply busy in another part of the universe and since the universe is quadrillions of light years across that might explain his absence.
I’ve found that when a Christian doesn’t understand something the first thing they run to is God. I’ve had much better luck with the library. Everything has an explanation except for the question, “Where is God?”.
That’s more than likely because God is either no here or is non-existent.
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A Christian (#94)- YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF EVOLUTION EITHER!
Scientific theories make predictions that can be proved or unproved. Darwin’s theory predicted missing links in the fossil record. This prediction has been proved, we now have a large fossil record of various homanid ancestors. So yes, we do have proof. Indeed, it was such a good theory, with so much proof presented with it was ‘proved’ almost immeadiately. To date, Christianity theory which in one form or another has been going 2000 years has yet to produce a shread of evidence.
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Dan @96, thanks.
You say, “Obviously you’re entitled to your views but relgions often use pressure tactics for these views to be enforced on others, especially children. That I cannot sit by and accept”. Isn’t it a core part of human being that we are all inclined to enthuse others about what enthuses us. I doubt if any of us never do that. Certainly many of those on this site will be also indoctrinating, to use a negative term, or teaching, or influencing, their own children and social circle. Isn’t that what the whole FSM movement is doing in one sense? I would argue, as a mum and just from common sense, that there is no such thing as bringing your children up neutrally. Even if you tell your kids it’s up to them what they believe – and of course it’s up to my kids too as it’s up to all of us – by telling your kids it doesn’t matter what you believe, you’re still teaching them a point of view (which some might term agnosticism). By telling your kids you think there’s definitely no such thing as God, you’re no less “guilty” if guilt is in fact the word at all, of influencing your children. I’ve yet to meet a Christian who tries to “enforce” their view on others and I’m not even sure how that could be done short of some chemical brain-washing drug.
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Insightful ape @ #98 thanks, too.
You say, “thanks for your civil tone(which is a rare commodity these days)…. As you have seen here not all your fellow christians are as nice as you are”. I’m glad you think I’m nice (I am lovely, lol).
I’ve been thinking about the tone on this and other websites. I can well understand why Christians come on with a rude tone, although I don’t think that’s right at all, but what this website says is very very hurtful and we don’t always rise above that hurt. Who does always rise above hurt? Of course, no one’s forcing us to read it at all (!), and taking that into account we have no right to come on here and be rude, even if we are hurt.
I think I’d like to acknowledge the obvious. Not all Christians, and I’m not referring to anyone in particular, genuinely, have quite grasped the grace angle yet. Grace not rules, I’m increasingly realising, is the key to living as a Christian, turning the other cheek, loving those who hate us etc.. I’m very ancient (42) and I didn’t have it at all when I was young but I’m starting to get there.
Many readers here don’t believe in God because of lack of evidence, as they see it. That’s a legitimate view, although I find plenty of evidence. However that can be debated. What I think is sad is when people are put off by the behaviour of some members of the Church and I have this irrational desire to apologise for it. That’s irrational because I’m no angel and haven’t been appointed as spokeswoman either! Not everyone who frequents a church is a Christian, even if they think they are, and that has to be borne in mind too.
The church is full of broken folk, not all academically brilliant, not all masters of argument. Many will be easily defeated by some of the clever commenters here. But I just want to say that being thick doesn’t make you bad, and intelligent atheists who smugly feel superior to those who are less able but are sincere in their faith and good in their behaviour and attitudes, could perhaps consider whether there is room for some grace on their side too.
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AnneDroid (#106) – I have no kids but I was married to a Christian and supported (and encouraged) her to pursue her faith (which she had come to as an adult). When/if I have a child, I’ll try to give them a well rounded view of the word. The problems I face are;
Christianity is part of the UK school system (religious assemblies etc)
Scout groups and youth groups are Christian biased.
To give a balanced upbringing I will have to take a contrary position, I will also need to teach them about different faiths. This will be perceived by many christians as the school teaching morals whilst I teach a lack of them.
I understand many of the indoctrination tactics employed by various christian groups (child baptism, Alpha courses for parent toddler groups, Sunday school) may not be apply to you as an individual, but it isn’t individual Christians I fight against. It’s the groups and denominations that practice and seek to expand these evils.
I personally don’t know your denomination; most Christians who post here do not give their denominations. It’s difficult to tailor a response without knowing your actual beliefs… So my apologies if I attack a christian practise not followed by you or your sect.
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after reading your comment i decided to give god a chance. so i gave him countless opportunities to prove that he exists. One last try. If god somehow blanks out this post i will declare faith in him. (and use capitals when referring to him)
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Sorry AnneDroid, wrong again. You can tell your children they can make up their own mind about religion when they grow up. In North Korea children are brought up to salute “Dear Leader” all the time. They don’t have to do that.
As Richard Dawkins says, if separate religious schooling for catholics and protestants ends, the centuries old divisions in Northern Ireland will go away precisely in one generation. Quoting him again-it is the labeling of children that bothers me the most. A 2 year old can be no more Christian or Muslim than conservative or liberal.
As for forcing your opinion on others-does the name James Dobson ring a bell?
The FSM movement is about keeping religion out of science classes. I am amazed you still don’t seem to be getting it.
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To Soo, the writer of this article.
If you do believe in God, and do know the Bible, then I’m suprised you say no one knows what God looks like. Read Genesis 1:27 “And God created man in his own image”
Thats all
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To A Christian post 94
Wurzel asks…
Are you blind? Are you ignorant? Do you want to beleive so bad that you just deny evidence?
To become a Scientific Theory there has to be huge amounts of empirical and repeatable evidence to back it up. Don’t confuse the true meaning of “theory” with the colloquial meaning as “just an idea”…as in any ID rubbish about “evolution is just a theory” contiually does.
There is absolutely shed loads of evidence for Evolution – finches beaks; convergency of Dolphins and Sharks; divergency of the Marsupials; formation of new “races” of Wagtail; the whole process of Artificial selection which gices us cattle and sheep and chickens and dogs etc and not forgetting everyone’s favourite the presence of intermediate fossils. Everytime some crazy ID advocate or religious zealot says “where are the transitional species?” they get discovered.
I’ve saved the best til last – I present to you MRSA – an antibiotic resistant strain of microbe that shows us natural selection within a time frame that we can witness – practically overnight the results can be collected and collated…
To defend accepted scientifc theories scientists have to supply evidence, and this is always asked for in the case of evolution by Christians. When it is suppled it is then denied, and when scientists ask the same for God(s) it is never supplied. Why is this? Please answer me Christian I am dying to know?
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On November 2nd, 2008 Christian Said in part:
“This is a typical atheist paradox. If God kills evil people you call Him a mass-murdering monster, But if He doesn’t do anything about evil and just lets it go, you complain about the evil in the world and why God allows it. God destroys evil and you call it murder, God doesn’t and you call it negligence to Creation! God can punish evil just as easily as He can grant Christians immortality. God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil.”
By your definition, didn’t your God CREATE evil? Hey, if I were God and hated evil, I’d have fixed it so there wasn’t any. Unless of course I got bored, didn’t care about my subjects and wanted to watch them squirm for awhile :-)
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AnneDroid, the difference is we don’t consider the alternative of not agreeing burning for all eternity.
Of course, enforcing something is impossible, but we expanded the word to give one sane option and one option that’s going to hurt you alot.
Look at the westboro baptist church. Does that not say enough about christians enforcing their believes? I mean, honestly, it’s not like anyone can say they’re just expressing their opinion, no, they’re enforcing it.
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Is it just me, or (thanks for being so polite Soo)are all these starting to be the same?
It is either (in order of least to most popular hate mail)
1)Polite, disagreement with proof.
2)Impolite disagreement with proof.
3)Polite pity ( such as this one).
4)Impolite pity
5)Outright anger
6)Outright insults
3-6 of which are from people who don’t understand, because as soon as they found out it had something to do with anything against their beliefs, they quite reading, and started writing.
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Dan, good day to you. While is true darwin predicted missing links in the record and there are some so called links, you fail to realize that there would have to be BILLIONS (gap theory pending) of said links. As to the gap theory, it is very unlikely for that to be true due to the fact that we would have noticed that theory in action. As to Christianity’s proof, i think that all of God’s correct prophecies on various world events is very good proof of His existence. I once again extend a request for us to discuss this scientifically, which can only begin once you accept mine as possible. I look forward to a peaceful discussion with you Dan. May the Lord Jesus rule over God’s people forever Amen.
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#48 AnneDroid,
I know you’ve responded to other posts a few times here; nevertheless, I find your original post in this thread most interesting. A few questions for you, and please forgive me in advance if any of them are insensitive:
1. Did you know your father? Did your mother, other family members, friends, acquaintances, know your father? Since I’m guessing that the answer is overwhelmingly yes, we can conclude that there is indisputable evidence of your dad’s existence. I don’t need to have known him myself to grant that your dad did (does) in fact exist. Such evidence does not exist for your Father. Your personal belief is just that, belief. It does not constitute evidence.
2. It is true that some atheists are quite rabid in their beliefs. I tend that direction myself. However, what I think is also certain, is that should evidence come to light that can only be explained by the existence of a creative Force, a God if you will, that most, if not all, atheists would become believers in that God. Again, we lack evidence. Some of us take that to mean it is an open question, while others, like me, go further.
3. The French philosopher/mathematician Pascal wagered much as you do, saying that there was no down side to believing in God if wrong. Assume I’m a morally responsible person who just happens to be an atheist. Assume I’m wrong about atheism. Upon my death, the fact that I was a good person is to do me no good, because I refused to believe in God’s existence? That seems petty and capricious to me. If God is all-knowing and benevolent, then it seems that he would know I was good, and understanding that I had been wrong in my beliefs, but I still lived life in a morally admirable way. To deny me the reward that a similar individual who happened to believe would receive, is not an acceptable view of a compassionate Deity. So, I guess we can conclude that, if God exists, he’s kind of a jerk. Why would I want to believe in the existence of an all-powerful jerk?
I guess I would finish up by saying that I’m glad that your belief has brought you happiness, contentment, and a sense of purpose. Believe it or not, many atheists feel the same about their beliefs.
Sean
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@ AnneDroid #106
Glad to see that some people are spending the time to have an intelligent discussion here. Thank you. On that note, coming from a fairly nonreligious family my daughter was pretty much left up to her own self to decide and discover if and what religion she might choose to follow. The decision was entirely hers. She’s still undecided at 19 years of age. She dabbled in Wicca for a few years and looked into a few others but can’t seem to find anything that suits her. Next September she’s planning on studying World Religions at university. That’s just one of the courses she’ll be taking. All through her teen-age years she asked me many questions about many different religions and I did my best to answer her as honestly as I could without any bias towards any of them. Positive things can be said about most religions and most of them also have some negatives, usually from past history although some negatives still exist in them today. I think the biggest problem I have with the majority of organized religions is the lack of acceptance towards other religions. You have to admit that what with the great number of them, which one is right? Are any? They could all be mistaken. I’m here primarily because of the satire and its fun. Way back when I was going to Sunday school I asked too many questions apparently and kept getting the same answer. “The Lord moves in mysterious ways.” That didn’t wash with me. I’ve always had a very curious nature and need answers that have explanations and things that make sense to me. I’ve also had a fascination with astronomy and at a very young age had more than a clue as to the size of the universe. I found it rather unlikely that a creator of something of this magnitude could find the time to spend on just one planet with a vast population praying to him and expecting or at least hoping for a response what with the likelihood of trillions of other planets with populations trying the same thing. To think that we are the only intelligent life in the universe is frankly rather self centred and highly improbable. Just in our galaxy the number of stars far outnumbers the number of grains of sand on all our beaches and the number of galaxies is greater than the number of stars in our galaxy. The universe is big. Very big. So how could the creator, or God if you must, find the time to deal with us without ignoring anybody else?
Then we get to the number of Gods that have come down throughout history. Granted a lot of them were made by mankind to simply explain the world as best it could be for people way back when but then again how can we be absolutely sure they don’t or didn’t exist? Just something to ponder.
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How patronizing! One has to be “hurt” by Christians (or any other religion) in order to think for oneself and be touched by his noodly appendage? Typical.
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well….at least he was vaguely polite….
However, he is still trying to convert everyone, and he is still rather enthusiastic with the caps lock….so….stereotyping wins again!
pitty he didn’t like the site… i think its fantastic!
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“I’ve yet to meet a Christian who tries to “enforce” their view on others and I’m not even sure how that could be done short of some chemical brain-washing drug.” –Annedroid
Do you know that there are Christians, in my city, that sing on the street corner EVERY FRIDAY? Do you know that every day there are people handing out tracts? There is also a preacher who preaches on another street corner using a megaphone EVERY DAY. This is called pushing your religion on me and children in the street. Because of freedom of speech, thank the FSM, there is nothing that can be done to stop them.
You just haven’t met the right “Christians” yet.
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“I’ve yet to meet a Christian who tries to “enforce” their view on others and I’m not even sure how that could be done short of some chemical brain-washing drug.” WHAAT?*##!! In that case, you haven’t met many Christians. They just copy their deity – he sends people to eternal fiery torment for not believing. His followers are not allowed to do that these days, so they use mental brainwashing, scare stories and social pressure – stuff like that. I daresay some would use drugs if they could.
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So again we have “Christian”(or was it “a Chrisitan”)telling us that god exists becuase his predictions have come true.
Are you kidding me buddy? Jesus was supposed to come back during the life time of his apostles, and people are still waiting. Many of the claims of the Old Testament are verifiably false, most egregiously in Genesis.
As for the absurd claim “there should be billions of missing links”-it’s not even worth a response. You may want to consult a book on paleontology and you may learn something.
And to AnneDroid: no, I am not smug. How do you argue with someone who thinks he/she is an authority on something and doesn’t have a clue? I find it much easier to point out if you think God exists-I can say the same about His Noodliness the FSM.
May you all one day feel his touch and his love and be rewarded with beer and strippers.
Ramen
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“I’ve found that when a Christian doesn’t understand something the first thing they run to is God. I’ve had much better luck with the library.” – jeremykeys
Probably the coolest thing I’ve ever read. And remember kids, Jesus tells you to be ashamed of your genitals, so don’t look down when you go to the bathroom.
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Insightful ape at ~110 says, “Sorry AnneDroid, wrong again. You can tell your children they can make up their own mind about religion when they grow up.” Obviously. My children can make up their own mind about religion now, never mind when they grow up. But while our children are with us, ALL of us teach them something whether we like it or not. That was the point I was making. Even if you were successful as a parent – and it would be some achievement – in teaching your child a bit about every religious faith and about atheism and every other philosophy in a TOTALLY neutral way (and kids are way too smart not to know which one you favour) then you would still have taught them a position, which would be “my parents think it doesn’t matter which one I choose”. My kids have just witnessed me politely turning two Jehovah’s witnesses from the door. That was my judgement. Jehovah’s witness parents wouldn’t approve!! As parents we must teach our kids what WE think’s best for them. And that’s all any of us can do, and more that many of the prisoners I work with were blessed with. We must remember that one man’s indoctrination is another man’s wise counsel. I see no difference between my taking my kids to church and the photos on this website of the children of some FSMers in their halloween FSM fancy dress. No one has the “moral high ground” (completely the wrong phrase) on this one.
I don’t always agree with Richard Dawkins (obviously) but I do agree btw, with what you quote about “if separate religious schooling for catholics and protestants ends, the centuries old divisions in Northern Ireland will go away precisely in one generation” and add that these divisions are also present very much in the west of Scotland where I hail from. I am delighted that my kids are taught about world religions at school and am all in favour of tolerance. (One of my jobs as prison chaplain is to facilitate worship for those of other faiths).
You also say, “The FSM movement is about keeping religion out of science classes. I am amazed you still don’t seem to be getting it.”
I do get it, and I apologise. The whole religion versus science thing is such a non-issue for me I forget how big it is to other people, so I’m sorry.
I love science with a passion. In the past I have studied physics, chemistry, biology, biochemistry, anatomy and physiology. I see no conflict whatever between science and my faith. The more I learn about the Fibonacci series in nature, or the anomalous properties of H2O, or whatever, the more my faith is boosted. I know you guys see no evidence whatsoever of the existence of God in the world and are irritated in the extreme by my “blind” faith. I am prone to astonishment at “blind” atheism and see no evidence, given the general direction of the laws of entropy, to support the theory that all this amazing order came randomly by chance out of chaos. I’m not anti-evolution, by any means, and I don’t believe that God made the world recently, with fake fossils in it, as some Christians do. But I’m well aware that there are some holes in the atheistic evolution story, and my view is that that’s because of their fixation on proving it all happened randomly.
There is a basic problem for us all. Everything I say will annoy you because of your starting point, and vice versa, if I’m honest. My uncle is a professor of nuclear physics and once took me round CERN. I remember him telling me that this same division is mirrored there. Some of his colleagues see every new discovery as further proof for their atheism. He and others of his colleagues see every new discovery as further proof for their theism.
I realise coming on this site and arguing for intelligent design is not going to go down well!
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AnneDroid, we are going to disagree on a number of things, obviously. I do think it is better to let children make their own mind when they grow up. I am amazed that you say there is no difference between taking children to church and to a halloween party with FSM costumes. A halloween party is for fun, no one takes it seriously. In church people lare told the supposed “truth”. The difference could not be starker. An individual’s personality is built during childhood. Few people with a religious upbringing get to think objectively about this later in life. So I think the “position” that my parents think I should make up my mind when I grow up BETTER than the “position” that I should be thankful to Kim Jung Il for my food ration. Not just different.
There are numerous examples of beauty in the world. The point is, they are no more evidence for existence of God that Brahma, Baal, Appollo, etc. You can just fill in the blank.
Lastly, there is no such thing as “atheistic evolution”. And speciation is anything but random. Sorry but you don’t seem to understand the subject very well.
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To post 125 Annedroid
As an Atheist and as I accept the evidence of evolution I think that you have made a mistake – evolution is not random, it is cumulative. I suggest a reading of the Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins…
Wurzel
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#124 Jesus tells you what, Daniel? Where?
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@AnneDroid: I really wish I had spotted your posts earlier, alas Christian, has overshadowed your politely worded posts with is anger which is truly a shame.
I think it is possible to an extent to avoid teaching your children about a position on religion as to which is better or if none of them are good. My parents never introduced me to anything religious what-so-ever. In fact, I can remember the first time I even heard of God was when I was 5 and was staying with my Aunt and Uncle over the summer. Until that point I had no knowledge of religion and so I was unable to form an opinion. When I got back home and asked my parents about it, they said that they would answer any questions I had about the subject and showed me the section of our bookshelf containing religious texts. There was the bible, the book of Mormon, the Koran, the Torah, the buddhist teachings (I can’t remember the name of the book right now), Taoist teachings, and many others. At no time when I asked questions did they try to levy any morality to the specific ideas. It wasn’t until years later that I learned what my parents were, my dad believing in a spirituality to the universe but no god, and my mother being a christian. Personally I think they did as good a job as is possible and if it weren’t for that visit to my Aunt’s I may have not had any concept of God until much later since I can’t remember any instances where I discussed religion with my friends until high school, until that point there really wasn’t any point in discussing it. Either they assumed I was the same religion as them, or they just didn’t care.
And I do suppose it could be parents getting their kids involved in the FSM for the Halloween costumes, but it’s not necessarily the case. I was the first person in my family to learn about the FSM, and spread it to my parents (my mom thinks it’s amusing, but my dad’s all for it, even making sure that when I ordered a T-shirt, that I put an order in for one for him too), so that accounts for at least the story involving me (Halloween Missionary).
It is good to hear that you can reconcile science with your faith. Really, that’s all I’m fighting for, is for people to not let their faith make them ignore science. Believing the world is only 6000 years old, when we have evidence of ancient cities dating to 10000 years and evidence showing the earth is even older is silly, but accepting that current scientific theory is likely accurate, but still believing that it was started in motion is still silly in my mind, but I see it as a reasonable compromise.
So, I understand why the ID debate may not an issue to you, and I’d like to explain why it is to me at least if not the rest of the FSM community. ID is okay to accept. I’ve got no problem with people who think that certain properties of organisms were somehow set up by an intelligent organism, but the problem with it is, is that there is no way to test or make observations to prove or disprove the theory. I know ID is careful not to mention God, but if you use intelligent aliens, you’re just deferring the problem, because then we have to ask how did THEY evolve, and we end up at God in the end. Since God is supernatural we can’t conduct experiments about him and so it shouldn’t be considered science. That is my only objection to it being taught. I just don’t think it should be taught as science unless they can set up such an experiment. It’s fine to be taught in an elective course that students can choose to take.
I wouldn’t say the things you’re saying annoy me, in fact I appreciate it when theists are willing to discuss their beliefs with me in a nice way. It’s only when people like Christian come here and start yelling at us about how we’re going to hell that I get annoyed. Religion is a hard thing to work with, and I do think that most people are moving down the scale of how much they practice their religions, but it’s great that your study of science has helped you out and affirmed your faith. Personally I’ve had the opposite experience. As I’ve read more and more (especially Stephen Hawking’s work), although I don’t necessarily understand everything, the arguments for how the universe could have evolved are quite convincing to me. Again, probably a difference of interpretation resulting from different starting points just like your uncle and his colleagues.
Thanks for continuing to stop by for civil discussion.
Peace and Long Life,
Zane
P.S. And good way to avoid some antagonism when discussing things with atheists is to avoid “Pascal’s Wager” (if I’m wrong I lost nothing, but if you’re wrong…), and the “Watchmaker Argument” (if you see a watch on the beach you recognize it as being designed…) as those are really weak arguments that just get so overused by the fundamentalists that it often triggers frustration from having to go through explanations again and can make people assume you to be one of the fundies.
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Cheers Zane.
Re your PS, maybe I AM “one of the fundies”! I have found since turning 40 I don’t care what folk think, so much, and whether I am or not, some (not all of you obviously) of the commenters here are very bold in their judgementalism so they’ll decide anyway. Certainly I’m not too worried about your caution about using the Pascal’s Wager or the “Watchmaker Argument”. I’m not using them in either an intention to persuade, or because I’m a follower of whoever else came up with them; I’m just saying how it feels to be me, where I am… Nothing more, but nothing less either.
You say, “accepting that current scientific theory is likely accurate, but still believing that it was started in motion is still silly in my mind”. If that was what I had said, or meant to say, that would be a deist position rather than a theist position. Deists were those who believed that the Great Watchmaker assembled the watch, wound it up and let it get on with things. I believe that God is a lot more than the GW. I believe that he loves us and wants us to have a relationship with him and am happy to acknowlege that this does seem silly – extremely silly – to outsiders. The Bible actually says that of itself – that the wisdom of the cross is foolishness to those who don’t believe in it. When I read through the comments here I can see that they sound logical and that my faith sounds illogical. I can see that very very clearly. I’m not at all surprised at the frustration FSMers feel about us seemingly bonkers Christians. I’m a cynic by nature, through and through, and it has always seemed to me to be evidence for the miraculous that God has caused me to have faith at all! But my daily experience bears out the reality of this apparent (to you) nonsense.
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I just have to say: you obviously aren’t a human. You must be the FSM, testing us! I knew it! Your noodliness, I have not been swayed! Your noodly appendage is still in my sight, and your delicious sauce is still on the tip of my tongue! That being said, your noodliness, thank you for taking the form of someone who can at least think for himself. I greatly appreciate it.
RAmen!
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Thank you. (I think.)
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We should go get lunch sometime, that can happen. Try praying for God to meet you down the street at McDonald’s, I hope he doesn’t disappoint.
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It was a compliment. =)
And to AnneDroid, I’m so glad for you that Christianity has made you happy. In the same way, Pastafarianism has made me happy.
I used to be a cutter, tried to overdose on my Prozac, and tried to starve myself to death. (I’m 14.) It was recommended that I go to church, so I did. The church I went to told me that I was an idiot for doing this, that I would go to hell for attempting suicide, and that only if I repented for having severe chemical problems in my brain would I ever get into purgatory.
This sickened me beyond belief, so I wandered about for a while, having no religion. My father was a Christian fanatic, and so obviously did not support this.
So I was browsing the internet, I came across Pastafarianism. They teach acceptance and love, and most of all, Ragu!
As I was reading one of these posts by the Pastafarians, an email came to me bearing a single word in its title- Truth.
Nonetheless, by this small miracle, I am convinced I am right in my thinking.
I just wanted to get this out there- there is no insult meant. And even though this does not help with the arguement against us all being broken, I’m fairly sure it’s just me. =3
PS- Christian…. Please think about what you are saying. Would your god want you to say that about him?
Thanks for reading.
Kyra.
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That was my bad attempt at Satire. .__.
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Although none of us have been hurt by xians, in fact you are all an unending source of amusement for us at this site, I would like to say that I hope you preaching type aren’t around when my kids grow up, I don’t want them to be brainwashed like you. I’m going to make a conscious effort to keep them away from people like you. Look at what you posted – it’s complete and utter balls! You say stereotyping is bad, but oh boy can the scientific minds present here make sweeping generalisations when we see patterns emerging? Patterns such as repeated condemning mail from xian crusaders such as yourself?
Another preacher’s epic fail.
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What I want to know is… how can you read all of the educational, satirical posts this site, and still believe in this god rubbish? And on top of that, come and preach at us? Your insatiable appetite for a sense of belonging requires medication and pity from your loved ones.
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“You can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.” Technically I can since anyone could have written that letter and claimed their name was Christian.
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Littleanimal: “What I want to know is… how can you read all of the educational, satirical posts this site, and still believe in this god rubbish? And on top of that, come and preach at us? Your insatiable appetite for a sense of belonging requires medication and pity from your loved ones.”
With all due respect, not all of the posts on this site are to the same standard of erudition, as I’m sure you’d be willing to admit. Love is blind, is the basic answer to your question. If you could find a group of people who hated my husband to come on and slate him (you couldn’t as he’s rather lovely, lol) it wouldn’t cause me to change my view. Same applies to my faith. As I said at #130, “When I read through the comments here I can see that they sound logical and that my faith sounds illogical. I can see that very very clearly. I’m not at all surprised at the frustration FSMers feel about us seemingly bonkers Christians. I’m a cynic by nature, through and through, and it has always seemed to me to be evidence for the miraculous that God has caused me to have faith at all! But my daily experience bears out the reality of this apparent (to you) nonsense.”
I suppose it’s fun for us all to come on this and other websites (including my own) and have a bit of an argument. It’s stimulating and helps us be rigorous in our approach, but inevitably it IS doomed to disaster. If I commented 500 times a day on this site for evermore, or you guys commented 500 times a day on mine for evermore, it wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference. You, and we, believe what we believe.
The trick, in my view, and the priority, is for us to learn mutual respect. I am embarrassed by the tone some Christians take when they come on this site, though I understand it – what you say here is hurtful and makes us naturally defensive. But life (and you guys think we only have a limited one here on earth) would be SO MUCH happier for us all if we could be nice to each other!
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Do you see any of us spagnostics infiltrating the websites of other religions, though? Every debate here at the church of the FSM was begun from someone else poking their nose in and leaving hate mail here. These people wouldn’t have the guts to go sending hate mail on forums for other religions and if it wasn’t the actual reason for the site’s existence it should be no different here. To me it has the same cheek as walking into a cathedral halfway through the first hymn and shouting “Excuse me, excuse me, I’ve taken it upon myself to be the one to let you know you’ve got it all wrong and you’re all delusional.” I wouldn’t do it, because I’d offend people for no reason that did me no harm. I would have imposed. This is what people ask for by imposing on our church of the flying spaghetti monster (praise be unto him).
By even posting on this site proves the nature of these religious nuts. The need to spread things, like old words, and love. Love’s another state of mind that ensured our survival as a species, while evolving. I’ve never seen an argument that justifies any of them coming here yet, only some good spelling, sometimes.
Fair enough I’m at a loss to describe what happened in the first few nanoseconds of the Big Bang but isn’t the rest bloody obvious? Why does there need to be some bloke to start it all, someone to blame for right and wrong, when we should take responsibility for our own actions? It’s all down to which books you find yourself surrounded by at a young age while so impressionable, but why go through one life fearing something/someone that probably isn’t there? Other than making death seem less terrifying? Rotting in the ground when I die so my molecules eventually break down and disperse and maybe becoming part of a plant or being swallowed up when the sun expands into a red giant is not a problem because I’ll be as dead as the surrounding rock and won’t care.
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We may not be able to say that you don’t exist because we’ve never seen you. But surely we can say someone doesn’t exist because no one in the history of the world has ever seen them. (i.e God)
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AnneDroid
I’m sorry you’ve been hurt by FMSists. By walking into our church you should already expect to be on the defensive or even hurt. I still insist that it is all complete and utter rubbish, and unlike you sensitive believer folk we have not been hurt by Christians as the original poster assumed, but we are a little bit insulted that we are asked to do away with the logic thought we attained by experiencing real life while growing up, shortly after we realised Santa was fake too. I deduce that our website is better than Christian variants simply because no arguments or debates occur on them, because everyone else respects your beliefs, and therefore don’t intrude on them.
Remember this is no personal attack on you, I wouldn’t care to fall into an argument about something that has no counter-argument other than people’s own personal accounts of talking with their respective deity and messages of peace, doom, the “End of Time” like Christian states in a more recent post. All of these can from the point of view of a scientist be put down to minor abnormalities in the functioning of the brain. Sorry but those are the facts, and the time when humanity becomes enlightened will be through knowledge and there will be no more religions. We may destroy ourselves in the process first – that is the ultimate test we must pass, and the more religions that coexist (as each one thinks they’re right), the more likely it is to happen through war. That’s the way it goes when technology massively outpaces the wisdom of the dominant species. The sooner everyone snaps out of this need for a saviour the better, just look into yourself instead.
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Littleanimal, at ~140 you say,”Do you see any of us spagnostics infiltrating the websites of other religions, though? Every debate here at the church of the FSM was begun from someone else poking their nose in and leaving hate mail here. These people wouldn’t have the guts to go sending hate mail on forums for other religions and if it wasn’t the actual reason for the site’s existence it should be no different here. To me it has the same cheek as walking into a cathedral halfway through the first hymn and shouting “Excuse me, excuse me, I’ve taken it upon myself to be the one to let you know you’ve got it all wrong and you’re all delusional.” I wouldn’t do it, because I’d offend people for no reason that did me no harm. I would have imposed. This is what people ask for by imposing on our church of the flying spaghetti monster (praise be unto him)”.
I’m very interested in this comment as I’ve been wondering about just this very thing. Do you reckon you speak for the majority of FSMers? I had been wondering whether leaving comments was a rude thing to do, even though I don’t think the comments themselves were cheeky. As you say, it’s your site. I just thought debating was something that was enjoyed and welcome. But perhaps not. If it wasn’t that this was now an older debate and not so many commenters would be visiting it, I’d be interested to know if all your co-commenters also feel it is rude and wrong of Christians to come on this site, as you do, or if they welcome the debating challenge, as I thought.
Incidentally, I certainly don’t think you’re right that agnostics/spagnostics/atheists/etc don’t go on Christian blogs and argue/complain/criticise. I know they do. And personally I don’t mind in the least. I don’t expect everyone who reads my blog to agree with me, and my blogroll is a mixture of Christians and non-Christians…
I appreciate there’s a difference between comments and “hate mail”. I don’t hate people and I wouldn’t send hate mail, and as I’ve already said, I’m embarrassed by the tone some Christians, and some so-called Christians take in their remarks here.
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I always get a giggle out of that. His power of holiness does 600D6 damage to anyone who even looks his general way. But the deadly holiness only radiates from his front, not his back. Or maybe he just has one of those really shiney smiles that will blind you on sight, like the Crest-Toothpaste commercials times 500 000.
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@AnneDroid #143,
Debate is always welcome, judgement sometimes isn’t!
I will admit, I’ve gone to the more idiotic christian websites just to be the mote in their eye! It keeps them on their toes, and they know that we are listening. I really don’t approve of Christians pushing their meme down the populace’s throat, but religions tend to do that. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE RIGHT IN THEIR ASSERTIONS! I capitalized that statement for emphasis because some of the comments directed at yourself and others, by us are likely tainted by our “fervor” for the FSM.
Keep in mind, our religion is satirical, pointing out the lack of believability of any religion. However, our ‘beliefs’ are simply that Christians and like religions are out of line when they try to make implausible things like global floods, the “Fred Flintstone” theory, and people coming back from the dead, science. The church is the preferred forum for those topics, they are not based in scientific observations. So if you come to this website and say something like Jesus is coming and all you people are wrong because you don’t agree with us, you’re going to have a lot of hammers thrown at you. That is just out of fervency, disrespect of opposing view isn’t intended unless you really show deep-rooted stupidity.
I know I don’t speak for everyone but, there should be room for debate, sorry if you got a face full of nettles.
RAmen.
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AnneDroid,
Thanks for the reply, this time you didn’t sidestep every single question I put forward in any of my previous posts with other questions or attempts to make me feel guilty.
As I said, my first post wasn’t a personal attack on you, it’s obvious you fathomed the entire point of this site and are familiar with satire, grammar, good manners and so on, which makes you a very welcome member of our church. My post was directed at the original poster who tried to bless us to eternal stupidity, and I’m sorry I somehow got you mixed up in my arguments as you do seem lovely, maybe I had too many beers and vodka & red bulls with my pasta but as far as I recall you quoted me first.
My point is that this site is designed to strike up arguments with the brainwashed-crusader-type and turn their own arguments against them until they learn to think for themselves, even a little bit, hence my forthcoming attitude in my earlier posts. As you know, some people come here without even reading the opening letter or looking at the graph, assume it’s real, and immediately post the craziest shit I’ve ever seen, using words such as ‘retarded’, ‘douchefag’, and ‘tar’ amongst many other classics to defend their cause, some of which make offensive comments about gays, Jews, gingers, their own god etc. along the way without even realising it! This is what this site is for, to expose these people and make them look foolish in front of their more educated ilk – like yourself.
Ultimately, I’m sure all the Pastafarians here will agree with me too, you are most welcome to post here as you are a prime example to your fellow Christians how to behave at our church, but I think you’re already far too educated to argue with me. So thanks for noticing me but there’s no point quoting me unless you have tangible proof of any god, which I guess I’ll be waiting a long time for.
RAmen to you.
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If we have no idea what God looks like, how can we know we were created in his image. Or is that not meant to be taken literally? If so please educate both me and your fellow christians on how to determine what you should and shouldnt take literally from the Bible. After all, it sure seems like they want us to believe everything word for word, no matter how contradictory, sexist, racist, and impossible it is…
RAmen
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Soo-
I do not speak for all my Pastafarian brethren because I think for myself (that is my hope for people of all religions and creeds).
I must take issue with your assumption that I am hurt by Christians, for I am not. I am insulted by the condescending attitude of Christians that think this nation is first and foremost a Christian nation. It is not a Christian nation as set forth in the first clause of the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. I am pissed off that Christians will stoop so low as to attempt to disguise religious doctine as “science” for the expressed purpose of diluting centuries of the accumulated best knowledge available to confuse young people and turn them toward your religion instead of letting them decide for themselves. I believe Church is a better place for religion than public schools. But if Kansas wants to have religion in schools, then the Church of the FSM should not be left out, for that is discriminatory.
Yes, it is true that Christianity requires faith of the unseen, but so does Pastafarianism. I “believe” that the almighty FSM created mountains, trees, and a midgit as much as you believe Jesus died on a cross for our sins. I respect that you hold these beliefs and hope that you will respect our creed.
Thank you for your polite, non-confrontational concerned criticism. It really was a breath of fresh air to read your letter and not feel like my life would be in danger if I hung out with you at a party.
-Solly Jim
@ Ruben, Post #4 –
“Our religion is based solely on hard facts and truth.”
No it is not. It is founded on the same bullshit principles of every other religion, that being illogic and faith. (Mind you that is the point of our religion – to get our version of creation taught in public schools.)
@ Purser Roderick, Post #8 –
Good One! LOL!
@ ET, the Extra Terrestrial, Post #14 –
Wow. Dude, you could probably copy/paste that response toward every hate mail this site gets (with very few minor edits) and consider your job done. I applaud you.
@ Mario, Post #22 –
A very profound point. I may need to plagiarize that argument next time I have a religious debate with my mom.
@ Easton, Post #74 –
RAmen!
@ Bobby -
People are directing comments toward other commenters (I even made a few in this post). I think a threaded discussion format is in order (think UseNet).
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“but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.”
Poor analogy, Soo. Firstly, your post is a sign you exist, no mattter who you are. There is no such sign a god exists – he never posts here. And please don’t start saying life itself is a sign, because science either can explain it fully now or it could soon.
Secondly, no one (sane) has ever seen god, yet we’ve all seen thousands upon thousands of people, so we KNOW they exist.
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Because if God left a post detailing that Christianity is good and true, we would obviously drop everything and listen, right?
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Agree with above
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what verse in the bible says that Moses saw God? It has been a while since I read the book yet I still don’t quite recall that scene.
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I’m sorry, who wrote the bible? people, right? Human’s correct? There is no other way it could have come into existence, and so I do not believe in that book as proof of a god, for it is tainted by human ideas. Religion aims to control, belief aims to comfort (which I think is a wonderful idea), and our Pastafarianism looks to invoke thought and understanding. It is possible that through looking at this sight, and exploring the thoughts of fellow questioners of religion, that someone might decide they would rather stick with a religion, and if that happens to be Christianity, look, YOU WILL HAVE WON. But the rest of us are content to question, and to analyze. Searching for the truth, or anything close, in this world so convoluted by religions and intolerance.
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Any one here “hating” god or not believing is not a true Pastafarian. We of course believe in god, we merely believe he is edible. We dont hate Him either as he has provided the world with such wonders as spaghetti meatballs etc… Also He provides us with countless hours of entertainment. Ever lose a sock in the dryer and can’t figure out how it could have possibly just disapeared? The only reasonable explination is that His noodely appendage was responsible.
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God hasn’t emailed me either. I don’t believe in him because I have not seen, heard, tasted, felt, smelled, been emailed by, been texted by, gotten a postcard from, been hit in the head with a chunk of blue ice from a private plane belonging to, god.
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“I do not know your history and why you are so bitter and angry”
Since when were we so “bitter” and “angry”? O_o Enlighten us, please.
May His Noodliness touch you
RAmen
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“You can hate God but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no God”. There is one thing I can say that will make God stop loving me. I deny the existences of the holy spirit. That one line will send me to hell to matter what. God stopped loving me a long time ago.
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you just contradicted yourself my friend. If “God” has no form and is spirit how does moses see his back?
you can blindly follow your imaginary friend but we believe in a purpose. His noodlyness preaches Tolerance of all religion, so i will not mock you and you sad inability to see the REAL light. You say god loves us but we are well loved by our lord and savior.
I pray for You.
-RAmen
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I think this could be an interesting experiment. Let’s see how many of the original words I can keep.
I am sorry you have been hurt by [Pastafarians]. It is obvious by your website. You can deny [the Flying Spaghetti Monster] all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate [the Flying Spaghetti Monster] but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no [Flying Spaghetti Monster], but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
[The Flying Spaghetti Monster] himself stated in the [Manifesto of the FSM] that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it because we have no idea what [the Flying Spaghetti Monster] really looks like.
I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history and why you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask [the Flying Spaghetti Monster] if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist. [The Flying Spaghetti Monster] himself stated in the [Manifesto of the FSM] to [Bobby Henderson] who also said he wanted to see [the FSM], if [Bobby Henderson] was to actually see [the FSM] face to face, he ([Bobby Henderson]) would die due to [the FSM]’s holiness, BUT [the FSM] did pass by, covered [Bobby Henderson's] eyes, then removed his hand so [Bobby Henderson] can at least see [the FSM's noodley appendage]. Even with that [Bobby Henderson's] face glowed from seeing [the FSM]’s holiness.
[Flying Spaghetti Monsterism] requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart.
If hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying. Do not stereotype [Pastafarians]. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo
Wow, I just read it over and must admit that it retained more of the original meaning than I had anticipated. I hope we can all see that you can add equally valid metaphysical lunacy to any situation so long as you are willing to believe specific propositions with a complete lack of evidence.
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Who says I don’t exist because I am not posting here? I happen to read every post and I, Almighty God, am ticking you off my list as you carry on. Thank Myself that I keep an eye on you lot!
You want to know what I look like? Don’t you know I created you in my own image! That was 2 million years ago, so of course I look like Homo habilis. I have a 650 ccm brain volume and am a little over 4 ft tall, with distinctive supraorbital tori.
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Twice you mentioned that God himself said — in the Bible. How do you know that? Obviously you weren’t around thousands of years ago. If God wants to get his word around, perhaps he should have a talk show, put out a CD… get with it, God! If you want everyone to spend time telling you how great you are, give us a show, huh!??
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First of all, I beilve that there is something higher than us. It could be a god, a spirt, or anything really. But once you start saying that foods are gods, i mean, come on now. You really want to give in all of your heart, all of your life to a pasta? is that what you consider a higher being. There are things that our higher than us that we all know of, love, trust, hope. Speghetti is something that we eat, digest, and poop out. What a wonderful thing to beleive in. If you are trying to make a statement. Then just make a statement. People can go crazy with this.
Mostly because it is human nature to wonder what’s above us.
But you must realize that there’s a differance between beleif and evidence.
If you keep looking for evidence of a god or of any other higher being,
truth is that you wont find it.
and there is a purpose to that.
If we had all of the answers, all of the evidence in front of us. Then what would we have to beleive in? We would be dead to anything and dead to ourselves.
We wouldnt have any inspiration, or dignity. We would be lifeless.
So stop with this foolishness.
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@ Cara: If we had all the answer and all of the evidence in front of us that’s called ‘enlightenment’. Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what happens when you die and go to heaven, no? I fail to see how enlightenment will make us lifeless, just the opposite IMO.
So stop with this foolishness.
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Soo said: “I’m sorry if you have been hurt by Christians…” Gee, I wonder… Who hasn’t been hurt by Christians at some point in their lives? From the jesus-freak next door always telling you that his lawn is greener because his christian, to the jehovah witness bothering you at home every Saturday very early in the morning, to the “revival” churches, particularly those of the Caribbean, who scream and yell in their cult like rabid dogs… Let’s talk about your precious christianity. This is what christianism is all about: the Crusades, the Salem Trials, slavery of Africans and African Americans, as well as the eradication of the natives in my country (Puerto Rico), the Holocaust, the Inquisition, Irak 2003… shall I keep the list going? Let’s face it: you can say whatever you want about how the new christianity has distanced itself against the old bloody catholic church, but let us not be fooled, for this is clearly the most dangerous of all religions and the bloodiest of them all.
RAmen forever!
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Boo. There is always something higher than us… blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda. People who keep repeating this mantra are cowardly and weak people who cannot stand the notion of being alone. Grow up already! There is nobody “up there”, and if there is, he is not interested in your ass-kissing!
RAmen forever!!!
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@162
Spirit, difference, belief, believe. Pay attention in class.
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“God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit”
Yeah but to be honest the bible was written by a “mortal”
which, according to your other christian buddies, “cannot understand god”
So they might of misinterpretated him. :]
He could’ve actually said HE wasn’t the spirit.
Seeing as how you have no proof for your god (however much you wish you did)
You cannot disprove me.
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Praise the all worthy God, the ONE TRUE GOD! Please remove pastafarianism from your heads, you are bringing your own demise upon yourselves!
Any Christian who strives in the fight against FSM, please do contact me at gardal@euroweb.net.mt
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Your in the wrong place for bitter. Bitter is at atheism, and KKK, and Nazi, etc. Were just laughing at you.
Ask any psychologist on the planet, laughter is one of the most effective and mature mechanisms for dealing with stress.
Some people blow up hospitals. We laugh at how hopelessly ineffective they are.
I’m not asking you to give up God for pasta. I’m asking you to give up fear and misunderstanding, (very polite though, i thank you) for some simple, chilled out humor. I know how bad you’ve been told the world is. It’s really not that horrible.
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“but I hope you would at least try to ask God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist.”
I asked.
Nothing happened.
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but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
heres the problem here is that i can compare you to many things i have seen. for example i have seen a friend write a blog and seen him in life. i can link that words have a writer. so just as i have physically seen a human write a blog i can assume that you do exist. with god i have never seen anything conclusive enought to prove that god does in fact exist
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but good job been repectful
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“Christianity requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart. ”
I had faith in Santa Claus too, even though I never saw him. I was devastated that one Christmas morning when I realized all of my presents still had pricetags on them, and the receipts for it bought under a credit card for . I don’t want to be disappointed again.
“but I hope you would at least try to ask God if He is for real,”
I tried that. Never got a response. I thought I did, but it turns out I was just hungry, so I ate some spaghetti.
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but sir, we do worship God, our God. Just because our God is not the same as yours is no reason to say such things.
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who ever said anything about hating christians? i myself am presbytarian.
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Hi Soo,
Just out of interest, what’s my next step when I ask God if S/he exists, and S/he answers “No.”?
Looking forward in earnest to your reply,
Cad
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Praise the all-worthy god, the one true god, all hail his noodly lordship the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
May you all be touched by His noodly appendage in your fight against creationism, ID and any other bullshit being taught at school.
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Dale Scerri, Good luck with your fight against the FSM. However, it’s inevitable that the FSM masses shall rise up and remove the bourgois christian elite.
Maybe you’ll beleive me when you grow up.
Dan
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Why, the FSM is a physical being!
I was touched by His Noodly Appendage just this morning…
And I’m ever-so sorry that you haven’t yet seen the light.
I will pray for you.
RAmen
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To Arizonan;
May you be touched by his noodly goodness- then maybe you will see that atheists aren’t any more bitter than anyone else. Atheists = Nazis/KKK? Really? Just because we don’t believe in god (other than FSM), we are hate-mongering murderers. Really?
I hope FSM will bring happiness to you, and all others who believe!
STACEYJW
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Cara #162 I believe we can be better than we are. We can embrace reason and use it to find creative solutions to our problems. We can stop treating others poorly just because their invisible friend is different from yours. We can define morality by thinking about what is right or wrong, not being told by someone who claims higher authority. We can cast off old barbarism and embrace the future. We can behave in a dignified manner rather than assuming automatic dignity by birthright. We can live life to its fullest rather than treating it as a warmup for an afterlife that never comes. We can approach the unknown with wonder and excitement rather than shrinking in fear and reverence.
That’s what I believe, and it gives me all the purpose and life I need without silly suppretition.
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The ONLY problem I have with Pastafarianism ( and I am actually EXTREMELY in support of it – I think it uses hilarious sarcasm to make an excellent point) is that some of its followers are under the misconception that its purpose is to spite Christianity. They lose sight of the fact that it was actually founded to ensure equal rights and respect for ALL religions. So maybe those of you who joined it to be angry and slam other religions should rethink your decision.
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This is special >:| Only god is the one true god, you poor lost souls. Hope your dinner will save you on judgment day
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I mean come a noodle monster
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Well, Kris (#182), you’re right about the purpose of the site. But once we got going on the absurdity of Intelligent Design, some of us just kept rolling. Sorry!
So which “religion” gets the least amount of respect? Atheism, of course. The Emperor gets mad if someone tells him he has no clothes.
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You know, God exists. Or, he SORT OF does.
The FSM allows us to have other Gods, and He allows us to doubt. He just doesn’t mind.
…It’s just that he’s obviously the most awesome [and tasty] by such a large margin that there’s really no reason to doubt.
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“183 – January 26th, 2009 at – Dynamite Says:
This is special >:| Only god is the one true god, you poor lost souls. Hope your dinner will save you on judgment day”
And what the heck is judgement day?
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littleanimal (#187) asks “And what the heck is judgement day?”
That’s when the loving Christian god decides which of his creations he will torture eternally.
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What a stupid god…
We hate him, but he loves us. I’d just hate us back
R’amen brother
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You can deny God all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate God but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
Ummm… you misspelled Flying Spaghetti Monster quite a few times. I’m pretty sure it isn’t spelled God…
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God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.
So if God moons me, I will be impressed? hmmm
TBHNA
BCA
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Michael #190 – I can’t say you don’t exist because I can see something you’ve done, your post. I’ve seen no evidence for God in any form.
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Childhood trauma.
The Christians…
They told me stories of a great man who’d done the world good by having himself nailed to a cross, furthering that line of torture among culture in 1980 or so BCE.
Scared me to death.
I hate those sadist freaks.
Totally.
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This website is promoting the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is a deity, therefore it is not denying the existence of god, maybe the existence of YOUR god… But Muslims aren’t Muslims just because they don’t like Christians, and it’s the same principle.
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wow didnt know people can die from holiness, is it a disease?
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“You can deny God all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate God but he loves you.”
So.. you’re telling me, God = Rapist Pedo?
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Wow, this letter is suprisingly non-abrasive, so why not give it the credit to take it one paragraph at a time?
Quote:”You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.”
Response: As a matter of fact, I CAN say that you don’t exist because I have never seen you. Things with no physical bodies pass information around on the internet all the time, they are called bots. Actually with a little imagination, I feel perfectly comfortable acknowleging that a person might not exist even after I have met them; it is entirely possible that all of the world I know is an illusion.
Quote: “God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it [b]because we have no idea what God really looks like.[/b]”
Response: That last bit there is a fairly eloquent argument for pastifarianism. If you don’t know what your god actually looks like then why would you care whether he is depicted as a carpenter on a cross or a nourishing meal? [Don't some Christians use fish as a symbol of their religion? I've seen it on your bumpers.]
Quote: “I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history…”
Response: They leave a link to the explanation at the top of the front page. Did you really come to a summary judgement so quickly that you couldn’t be bothered to learn something about the people you are critisizing? If you had checked, you’d probably realize that the church of the flying spaghetti monster is more about the educational system than religion.
Quote: “…and why you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist.”
Response: Ok, that sounds fair enough:
God, if you are real and you are the Christian God, show me a sign within the next week.
I will post in this thread again in one week and let you know how this goes Soo.
Quote: “God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.”
Response: “So… god’s ass is less holy than his front? Good to know!”
Quote: “Christianity requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart.”
Response: No. That’s what naivety requires. Christianity requires…. um… a baptism I guess. Infact, maybe that’s an area you could improve on. Increase the initiation difficulty to your club, then I can take you more seriously as a whole.
Quote: “If hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying.”
Response: It’s considered.
Quote: “Do not stereotype Christians.”
Response: No promises.
Quote:”We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.”
Response: Unless people think differently than you, Because apparently then you start writing hatemail to websites about pasta.
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Bruno the Pig said:
“after reading your comment i decided to give god a chance. so i gave him countless opportunities to prove that he exists. One last try. If god somehow blanks out this post i will declare faith in him. (and use capitals when referring to him)”
Did you ask him to reveal himself to you? Try this:
“God, if you really are out there and you created the whole universe, then show me. It wouldn’t be that hard to do if you’re all-powerful. If you show me, somehow, that you really are there, then I’ll become a Christian and give myself to you.”
Just try it. If God really doesn’t exist, then what have you got to lose?
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“Hurt by Christians.” I suppose it’s because most people with a religious belief reading these posts are English speakers and likely to be Christians that they think that Pastafarians have it in for them. No. When I worked in the Middle East I was worried about being hurt by Muslims… Pastafarians don’t have it in for anybody (except perhaps the unintelligent).
Yes, hurt. Why do the religious always think they have a (God-given?) right to tell me what my moral stance should be. THEY believe it’s wrong to [insert harmless behaviour here] so *I* mustn’t do it. That’s arrogant. Hurtful.
Come on, Christians, what’s the justification? My civic principles, briefly, preclude harming other people. No wounding, killing, depriving of liberty and sustenance etc. But, hey, for example if 2 of my gay friends want to confirm their loving relationship in a CIVIL legal compact, what business is that of yours? How could it possibly diminish you?
May His Noodly Appendage touch you and show you the narrowness of your attitudes.
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Jonny K Said: “Response: Ok, that sounds fair enough:
God, if you are real and you are the Christian God, show me a sign within the next week.
I will post in this thread again in one week and let you know how this goes Soo.”
Sorry Christian, no dice. I was looking too!
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Soo.
Have you ever heard of superstition? Why do you assume the bible is true. Have you ever read genesis? Have you not seen the gaping holes, or the body of evidence (actual evidence, not this crap from the heart) of science which tells an entirely different story?
How can you put down physical and empirical evidence and proof, for faith in something you cannot see, and that defies all the facts.
I for one am not offended by christians – I feel sorry for them. Most of you were indoctrinated from a young age, with good old fear to back up the teachings. So you needn’t be sorry either – pissed off at your parents or minister perhaps – but dont feel sorry for us.
We grew up a little more enlightened, and FSM embodies a great big breath of fresh air for people like me. FSM is something to be proud of, not to feel sorry for.
RAmen
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Don’t these sentences contradict each other?
“God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body.”
“God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back.”
God doesn’t have a physical form yet Moses could see his back side?
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I find it extremely sketchy that a “Spirit” wrote a book… seems like that would be pretty difficult… you know the whole insubstantial thing…
RAmen
Cap’m RedTom
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I think you’re a little mixed up about who is bitter and angry in this whole equation. Plus, apart from having no physical form so Moses wasn’t in danger anyway, why would God play party games about covering your eyes etc.? It’s fun when it’s called Hide and Seek, but a bit lightweight for an omniscient and omnipotent being to be indulging.
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Um, you DON’T exist. Your posting is merely an attempt by the FSM to test my faith in him. PRAISE FSM!!
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why do people need to question others faith in something its like they wont be satisfied until the whole worlds says (your right god is real you have nothing to be insecure about) its just stupid
Myth
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“God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body.”
I’m pretty damn sure God didn’t write the bible. I mean… He has no physical body to write it with.
FSM on the other hand… He can write with his noodly appendages.
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“We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo”
not closed minded? please. you obviously aren’t even leaving any room for considering this as a faith, or even as a joke.
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well,at least thats better.but tell me,if he has so much holiness, why doesn’t he share that with us and give some people stuff to eat?clothes to wear? homes against the elements?he must be one selfish jerk
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You can say that we haven’t seen you before all you want, but we saw you a couple of days ago outside a party holding up a sign saying “THE PARTY STOPS IN HELL”. Honestly, we’ve all seen you. You’re everywhere.
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Why doesn’t everyone just be happy and who cares what whoever believes, be a Christian, be a muslim, believe in FSM, believe in whatever, what does it really matter? I think everyone should just calm down lol, does it really make a difference in your life if someone believes a slightly altered version of what you believe in?
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Isn’t it nice to have an all seeing and all knowing god. It helps you get through your busy day. It’s good also that we have christians to protect us from the evils of free thought otherwise we might actually have to confront such concepts as the universe, it’s biology, geology and physical realities. Thank’s god for the creationists who allow us to embrace ignorance. Thanks also for the Spanish inqusition, the dark ages (how I miss them) the extermination of the jews (oops sorry you chose them didn’t you ( um do you mind if I ask god, For what?)) um sorry god I know its impertinent to question anything that some zealot from butthole alabama ( are they jews gor the texas school board interprets as
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Ahhh, there seems to be a slight error in your chart comparing the number of pirates with global warming. As you may have noted in recent media coverage the number of pirates is actually increasing. Hence I believe your chart needs rethinking.
Thank you
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It now seems to me that I have been slightly inobservant to have left you with no suitable alternative comparison professions with which to compare global warming. Possibilities include:
Farriers – numbers have declined greatly during period of warming
Newspaper Editor – numbers declined steadily at growing rate
Avenator – have declined in rough proportion with farriers
Daunsel – significant decline since middle ages
Fletcher – a nearly extinct profession
Saddlemaker – another nearly extinct profession
Farmer – general decline through past two centuries
These and other professions may make your point better than pirates, although with less vivid impact.
Thank You
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Soo,
I recently gained a personal relationship with Jesus. He told me quite clearly that he didn’t exist and that I was off my meds. He also apologized for starting a genocidal virus of a religion and asked me to personally explain to every Christian that I met that he never really lived, and all that stuff about being murdered and resurrected was just a joke by some frat brothers way long ago.
Also, dinosaurs rule.
Thanks for bearing witness.
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Pasta requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the noodles.
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Thats quite funny actually. The fact that that person (seriously what kind of a name is soo?) thinks that we have been “hurt” by worshipers of the cosmic jewish zombie. When infact they are the ones that go to OUR church and get angry at us. Can you say hippocrit?
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I was a Christian. I thought I was happy… until I damaged a very precious friendship because of what I believed. I did the worst thing I can imagine. I hurt another person because of what I believe (which came from what my pastor had told me, my mom had told me, and what I had read from the buybull).
If that is what religion is about then I want no part of it. Religion rips families and friendships apart. It divides and has gone so far as to put entire countries into turmoil for extended periods of time (like Northern Ireland, Isreal, etc).
Causing pain in someone else should not be considered happiness. Religion seems to thrive on the suffering of others. At least here we are all actually happy and accepting of each other, and His Noodeliness would never ask of me what your zombie sky daddy did (hurt a friend in his name).
I will stick to my pasta, thank you.
In Peace and Sauciness,
D&WC
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God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back
Well, you see, my idiot friend, IN JUDAISM, which is the religion that Moses practiced, God doesn’t have a face. Really, it’s almost like you were trying to kill off the Jews to hide the fact that you ripped off judaism and added a few dumb concepts.
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I have faith in the unseen. I have faith electrons exist, although we cannot directly observe their existence, merely the effects and traces they leave behind. But, then again, I suppose it isn’t faith if I have factual evidence to support a theory, is it?
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hi SOO,
i found something strange in your message.
it says: [I] [A] [M] [B] [E] [E] [L] [S] [E] [B] [U] [B] [T] [H] [E] [L] [O] [R] [D] [OF] [V] [L] [I] [E] [S].
it looks like: ‘i am beelsebub the lord of vlies’.
SOO, YOU NEARLY TRICKED US WITH YOUR PITY!
YOU CAN’T EVEN SPELL YOUR NAME, YOU DUMB PIECE-OF-SHIT DEVIL!
here’s your message i checked, i might have missed something invisible:
‘I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians. It [I] s obvious by your website. You c [A] n deny God all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate God but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen [M] e either.
God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical [B] ody. That is why HE said himself do not cr [E] ate any imag [E] s and worship it because we have no idea what God really [L] ooks like.
I was [S] addened by your w [E] ebsite. I do not know your history and why you are so [B] itter and angry but I hope you wo [U] ld at least try to ask God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist. God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass [B] y, covered Moses eyes, [T] hen removed [H] is hand so Mos[E] s can at [L] east see G [O] d’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.
Ch [R] istianity requires faith [OF] the unseen. The con [V] iction comes to the heart.
If hope you are opened enough to at [L] east cons[I] der what I am saying. Do not st[E] reotype Christian [S]. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo’
when i was young i used to play my records backwards like the Xians asked to do i got very scared when i heard your voice. now i recognise your evil ways better
REPENT AND OUR NOODLY LORD WILL SAVE YOU
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This is why I facepalm at Christians…
This:
“God himself stated..”
Followed directly by this:
“..in the Bible..”
face palm dot jay pee gee.
Bibliolatry is the inability to distinguish between holy text and deity. According to the Bible – a human-authored book – god is blah blah. The notion that the book is accurate in any degree is a matter of faith, and in fairness, no faith is more justified than any other.
[sigh] I can’t believe I used to believe this shit.
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“God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses…”
Really? How do we know this? There are many other religious books that
tell us there are MANY gods, and others that say there are none.
Were there any witnesses? Just Moses, who, since the Exodus almost certainly
didn’t happen, is a fictional character?
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This is a very creatively designed place. While I’m not one of you noodle-shippers, I’m glad I’ve found such a interesting place in the net-
thanks!
by the way, people have so many different opinions, so it might not be accepted by some. But it doesn’t mean everyone must start objecting. It’s sad that you all don’t notice it’s the faith that’s important. Not who you worship. Some people that things too seriously, haha.
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The FSM hurts too sometimes T___T he touched me with his noodliness the other night when I was sleeping, but as the higher being he is, he left a note of apology and some pasta for me when I woke up; I forgive his noodliness.
NOW I BELIEVE HIS NOODLINESS!!! Mmmmm pasta.. RAMEN!!!!
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Dear contributors,
I only just stumbled upon this forum in search of a basis for the belief of my friends in the non-biblical teaching of Trinity. Now although I know so I cannot judge them by telling them that they serve the devil but I can try to reach their heart and thinking with love.
The most important of all is as stated in John 16:3 and John 17:3. Draw close to God and He will will draw close to you.
The bible itself warns of false religion and the pending destruction that it is inevitable. The wars faught in the name of religion cannot be justified.e.g In WW2 christians of the same denomination were blessed before they went to kill each other. Today wars and all sort of atrocities are perpetrated In God’s name which to start with they do not know. A pastor once said that God’s name is Jehovah. Psalm 83:18 proves otherwise.
Did you check Psalm 83:18 and you did not see the name Jehovah, well you have also stumbled on yet another human misinterpretation of God’s word. Most translations replace the divine name, even though God wants his worshippers to know his name. They did this because they felt the name was too holy to be spoken by mere unclean men.
The original transcriptions however will have the original tetragrammaton which is translated Yahweh and Jehovah in English and varied depending on mother tongue.
The religious leaders also have affairs with the nations. If you watch your TV meaningfully and notice world event diligently you will find that the prophecy of John in Revelations is surely to occur soon. Rev 18:3,4, 7, 9 and 10. Very soon these false religions ( Babylon the Great/The harlot/The world empire of false religion) who have twisted God’s word will be destroyed.
The world events show that things are been engineered into the fulfillment of this prophecy and Jehovah’s willing many more like Rev 21:4(please read).
Entry number 218: You lost your friend but your reaction tells me that you have not yet believed in HIM because Christ foretold that if he suffered because of the truth, we will also suffer because we are no part of the world. So make peace with your friend not judge them for not knowing the light. Share the word and preach salvation. Sing Praise Jah and Rejoice for the Day of God Almighty in which the wicked will be ‘destroyed but those hoping in Jehovah are the once that will possess the earth Psalm 37:9.
You can mock this because they are mere words. The meaning of which however cannot be mocked because it bears witness to the Word of God and action speaks louder than words as you will see In the near future. May all of you come to an understanding of our Glorious Heavenly father Jehovah and the one He sent forth Jesus Christ. Amen.
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Dear contributors a slight adjustment to my comment in 226. Please replace 226 with 227. Thank you,
I only just stumbled upon this forum in search of a basis for the belief of my friends in the non-biblical teaching of Trinity. Now although I know so I cannot judge them by telling them that they serve the devil but I can try to reach their heart and thinking with love.
The most important of all is as stated in John 16:3 and John 17:3. Draw close to God and He will will draw close to you.
The bible itself warns of false religion and the pending destruction that it is inevitable. The wars faught in the name of religion cannot be justified.e.g In WW2 christians of the same denomination were blessed before they went to kill each other. Today wars and all sort of atrocities are perpetrated In God’s name which to start with they do not know. A pastor once said that God’s name is God/Lord/Adonai. Psalm 83:18 proves otherwise.
Did you check Psalm 83:18 and you did not see the name Jehovah, well you have also stumbled on yet another human misinterpretation of God’s word. Most translations replace the divine name, even though God wants his worshippers to know his name. They did this because they felt the name was too holy to be spoken by mere unclean men.
The original transcriptions however will have the original tetragrammaton which is translated Yahweh and Jehovah in English and varied depending on mother tongue.
The religious leaders also have affairs with the nations. If you watch your TV meaningfully and notice world event diligently you will find that the prophecy of John in Revelations is surely to occur soon. Rev 18:3,4, 7, 9 and 10. Very soon these false religions ( Babylon the Great/The harlot/The world empire of false religion) who have twisted God’s word will be destroyed.
The world events show that things are been engineered into the fulfillment of this prophecy and Jehovah’s willing many more like Rev 21:4(please read).
Entry number 218: You lost your friend but your reaction tells me that you have not yet believed in HIM because Christ foretold that if he suffered because of the truth, we will also suffer because we are no part of the world. So make peace with your friend not judge them for not knowing the light. Share the word and preach salvation. Sing Praise Jah and Rejoice for the Day of God Almighty in which the wicked will be ‘destroyed but those hoping in Jehovah are the once that will possess the earth Psalm 37:9.
You can mock this because they are mere words. The meaning of which however cannot be mocked because it bears witness to the Word of God and action speaks louder than words as you will see In the near future. May all of you come to an understanding of our Glorious Heavenly father Jehovah and the one He sent forth Jesus Christ. Amen.
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God’s name appears 7,210 times in the scriptures. 6,973 in the Old Testament and 237 times in the New Testament
18 times in the Emphatic Diaglott (1864), a translation of the New Testament by Benjamin Wilson
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