I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians. It is obvious by your website. You can deny God all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate God but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
God himself stated in the Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it because we have no idea what God really looks like.
I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history and why you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask God if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist. God himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see God, if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness, BUT God did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see God’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing God’s holiness.
Christianity requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart.
If hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying. Do not stereotype Christians. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo
I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians
Published by Bobby Henderson October 31st, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 228 Comments
228 Responses to “I am sorry you have been hurt by Christians”
Our conviction is from the heart, too. Let’s not play My God Can Beat Up Your God, OK?
Nobody’s hurt or angry here, Soo. Not every new religion is a response to the Christians.
We’re very nice people who simply don’t need a Book (anybody’s Book, for that matter) to tell us what is right and wrong, what is logical or illogical. It’s actually damned easy to figure out if you’re a decent, intelligent person, don’t you think?
His Holy Noodliness, as far as I can tell, is just as real as any other deity out there…he’s unseen, mysterious and backed up with literature written by His believers. Just because my parents didn’t teach me about Him doesn’t make Him a lesser god.
You can hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster but he loves you anyway, too. The only difference between Him and most other gods is that He won’t smite you for not believing in Him. He’s totally cool with your skepticism.
To tell you the truth (and this will probably just piss you off), He sincerely hopes that you have a nice day.
Thanks for stopping by.
rAmen!
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I asked god if he existed, I didn’t get a reply.
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I’m very glad that this particular message was not just the usual “F-you assholes, go to Hell” sort of mail. Very thoughtful and deep. Though the FSM is the one and only true God, you can believe anything you want.
Also, I’d like to thank you for your mostly correct spelling and grammar.
RAmen,
Nahmala
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I am sorry you have been hurt by Pastafarians. It is obvious by your website. You can deny the FSM all you want but he will not deny you. You can hate FSM but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no FSM, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either.
FSM himself stated in the Pastafarian Bible that HE is Spirit, does not have a physical body. That is why HE said himself do not create any images and worship it because we have no idea what FSM really looks like.
I was saddened by your website. I do not know your history and why you are so bitter and angry but I hope you would at least try to ask FSM if He is for real, then somehow show you He really does exist. FSM himself stated in the Old Testament to Moses who also said he wanted to see FSM, if Moses was to actually see FSM face to face, he (Moses) would die due to FSM’s noodliness, BUT FSM did pass by, covered Moses eyes, then removed his hand so Moses can at least see FSM’s back. Even with that Moses face glowed from seeing FSM’s noodliness.
Pastafarianism requires faith of the unseen. The conviction comes to the heart.
If hope you are opened enough to at least consider what I am saying. Do not stereotype Pastafarians. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.
-Soo
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48 – November 1st, 2008 at – AnneDroid Says:
“On the other hand, IF it turns out that I’m right, I’ll have lost absolutely nothing.”
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With that logic, you could just join every religion, as well as ours, just to be sure. Nothing lost if wrong and everything gained if right.
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AnneDroid,
You see, I think we’d get on great even though we clearly disagree–the hate mail section has a way of bringing out the worst of the Christian crowd (and our own at times). If the world was full of more Christians like you, that’d be progress. I don’t agree with your, “what’ve I got to lose” view of faith (I’m actually not sure that believing to cover your bases counts as faith, but I’m no expert on that so I’ll defer to you). While believing because it’s the route that can’t possibly lead to eternal damnation is prudent, I find it intellectually dishonest. Maybe the FSM crowd could pull in some more support if we created a really bad consequence for non-believers, like real volcanoes instead of beer volcanoes. Just seems kind of mean though.
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Thanks for extending a positive hand, instead of an attack.
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Our friend “Christian” seems to think we are blasphemers becauses our “religion” mirrors his ideology.
Listen up, Pip.
The only proof that you have of your god is some old scrolls, a touch of Jewish history, and your own sense of conviction that you are right. But does that make your view the correct one and everyone else on the planet is wrong?
The whole problem with christianity is that unwavering sense that your world view is the only way and all other views are heresy. Don’t believe the way we do, you’re hellbound. Does it upset you so much that maybe someone else doesn’t share your take on the universal conscious divine? That maybe humans are just smart enough to have some insight on how our universe works without having to conjure up 7 day creations, world floods, and divine zombies? Can anyone disagree with you without you telling them they will suffer eternal damnation for their counterpoint.
I hope that someday, His Noodly Appendage will touch your tortured heart and fill it with basil and pesto. That you’ll let go of a really dim perspective of your fellow man and hug a pirate. That you can look in a biology book and think that being related to primates isn’t as bad as being related to Platyhelmenthes. You don’t need to believe in some god to love your planet and mankind, you just do it.
Go to a decent Italian bistro, order a plate of pasta and really talk to the waiter. Doug Adams would approve of that. Maybe you’ll open up.
rAmen!
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You’ve never seen Santa Claus, does that mean he doesn’t exsist? Santa himself told me that he can fly around the world in one night. You’ve never seen me, but you know i exsist. santa told me he can do anything. who are you to say that he can’t? you’ve never seen him. Don’t believe what i’m saying? than why do you believe the confused ramblings of people 2,000 years ago?
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This guy’s better than most. He may be a crazy zealot, but at least he didn’t freak out with the caps lock and just shout the words FUCK at us
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So if I deny and hate god, he will still love me and let me into heaven? That is so good and kind of him to do that. And I was worried he would send me to eternal hellfire, because that would make him an asshole.
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My problem with organized religions is their depiction of God. Represented in the comment by Christian;
“And if you will continue to spread this foolish mockery then your will know the the wrath of the Almighty God, He will come and strike you with every cruel thing, the LORD will strike thee with fire and hail, and great earthquakes, He will go so far as to throw the stars themselves down upon you. ”
In this kind of depiction God is shown as a petulant 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum because he is jealous (play my way or I will kill you). All the major religions other than Buddhism depict God in this light; can’t anyone else see the disconnect between an all-knowing all-powerful being and this kind of behavior? This takes a Supreme Being (God) and gives him the worst of human emotions, not the best. Why would a being of such power even care what we thought? Such a being would not require worship; he already has all the power and knowledge. Such a being would be completely beyond our comprehension so assigning him human emotional characteristics is just a form of anthropomorphizing that has gotten out of control. It is an attempt by people to make God in an image that justifies their behaviors. I’m sorry but I can’t logically believe in that kind of God. I am not atheist I do believe in God, but not the one that organized religion wants to push down our throat because their version doesn’t make the least bit of sense.
Christians will argue that the Bible is the proof they need. Well then they need to learn the history of their Bible. For example the Jesus story, shows up in many older religions for their important people. A lot of the parts of the story are the same. Many have a virgin birth, there are others that have a resurrection (same time frame and everything), and etc. The list is pretty long. Only when you can look at the complete history, like the editing, the translations (many languages to don’t translate well into each other) the copying errors made by monks copying the Bible (a good number who could not read), etc. can you know your religious text. I won’t even get into the fact that nowhere in the Bible is there mention of fiery hell. The church adopted that from Dante’s work.
I think people who feel that others must believe as they believe are actually that way because they are insecure in their beliefs. The more fervent the less secure they are. They need others to believe the same as them to give credence to their own belief. They justify it a number of ways to themselves the most common one is that they are ’saving the non-believer’. The truth is they are trying to save themselves, so they don’t have to think through what they believe and why.
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“One of the things I believe is that God gives you free will and y’all are exercising that in choosing your path.”
It’s very lovely that, he does, but, when you say, we’ll go to hell if you turn out to be right, it doesn’t sound so nice of him, now does it?
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“You can hate God but he loves you”
a qute frome anather christen (not the one how posted hire he is jast way to extreem)
“plise belive in jesus i dont want you to go to hell” (frome anather hate maile)
so… he love’s as no meatter wat.. bat he will send as to hell any way.
“if Moses was to actually see God face to face, he (Moses) would die due to God’s holiness”
so this god is all mighty yet he cant even show his face? you’d think he’l have the power to show himself withawt killing someone right?
so is that mean thet the power of “holiness” is more powerfull then god? then if someone will be soo “holy” he can be more powerfull then god. that dosent mack any senss to me =\
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why do christians feel that their words will somehow change how an atheist feels about the supernatural? its not like the book christians purport to have been written by an almighty god did anything to change that (although maybe its because no god had any hand in writing that hateful piece of work)
why would your fear inducing strategy change anything? calm down, put your head back in the sand
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Isn’t there a presupposition in this post that the only reason we’re not drinking the Xtain Kool Aid which as we know from this lady is all about “Love” is because we were hurt by some “bad old Christians” and she’s gonna kiss the boo-boo and convert us. LOL!
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Dear Soo:
I have asked god if he was real. He presented me with a jar of Ragu. I think that’s pretty telling.
RAmen,
Meisha
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“You can say all you want that there is no God, but you can’t say I don’t exist just because you have never physically seen me either. ”
Well you COULD be a fictional character, someone made to troll us pastafaians, yet again.
Just let us be! Go bugger the muslims insted or something…
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48 – November 1st, 2008 at – AnneDroid Says
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As homo sapiens like most other sexually reproduced animals have all a father and mother, it is quite obvious that you also have a biological father. However an imaginary ‘Sky-daddy’ with white beard, big pumpkin, pink unicorn etc. is just a warm fuzzy feeling , an imagination of your brain not a fact.
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Well again this ‘free will’ staff as last Apologetic refuge for all atrocities and suffering in the world allowed from your alleged exiting omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God. The last refuge of theodicy it’s all coming to ‘free will’ even the insane child rapist who tortured his little child victim slowly to death as ‘his free will’ – and the little girl’s ‘free will’ – well God moves in mysterious ways and (hopefully) Jesus takes her home to heaven. Yes even the best theist apologist philosophers ala Swinburne, Platinga, Lane-Craig defending the Holocaust as ‘free will’ and of course ‘God moves in mysterious ways’ in their theodicy. Pathetic !!
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Well again Blaisse Pascal’s old wager, which makes only sense if you already belief that YHWH and his son Jesus of the Bible is the true God and eternal hell does exits (roasting forever and ever in hellfire if you don’t believe). What if Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Thor, Baal, Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva, the FSM or whatever Deity is the correct bet ?? Then I would not like to be in your or anybody of YHWH theists wrong bet position on judgment day, because Baal’s eternal hell is waiting for you !!
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Possibly there are also happy marriages possible without believing in YHWH and Jesus? Poor Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, Muslims etc… woman they will never find a decent husband without Jesus. And I really hope that you life up to the Bible and take St. Paul seriously : Don’t waste your time with sexual pleasure, the end is near in 2-3 years so focus on God not your husband !
(written 55 AD, so the end times are supposed to have happened 57-58 AD already)
And about enjoying ‘Christian life’ I am not that sure if it is really that enjoying to follow a sin focused misery cult, wasting Sundays in church, or hours every day in prayer, bending down towards Mecca 5 times a day, locking children up in the cabinet and let them recite Bible verses, throwing yourself to the floor to creep slowly forward for month towards Lhasa for enlightenment, spending vast amounts to televangelists, running from door to door with Jehovah’s pocket Bible to proselytize, rejecting science achievements based on faith …etc..
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48 – November 1st, 2008 at – AnneDroid Says
[”Because I’ve now experienced what I believe (you will disagree obviously) to be a living relationship with God for several decades, you might as well try to persuade me that my earthly father doesn’t exist (I know you haven’t met my earthly dad, so you might think he doesn’t exist, but I KNOW he does). “]
As homo sapiens like most other sexually reproduced animals have all a father and mother, it is quite obvious that you also have a biological father. However an imaginary ‘Sky-daddy’ with white beard, big pumpkin, pink unicorn etc. is just a warm fuzzy feeling , an imagination of your brain not a fact.
[”One of the things I believe is that God gives you free will “]
Well again this ‘free will’ staff as last Apologetic refuge for all atrocities and suffering in the world allowed from your alleged exiting omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God. The last refuge of theodicy it’s all coming to ‘free will’ even the insane child rapist who tortured his little child victim slowly to death as ‘his free will’ – and the little girl’s ‘free will’ – well God moves in mysterious ways and (hopefully) Jesus takes her home to heaven. Yes even the best theist apologist philosophers ala Swinburne, Platinga, Lane-Craig defending the Holocaust as ‘free will’ and of course ‘God moves in mysterious ways’ in their theodicy. Pathetic !!
[”On the other hand, IF it turns out that I’m right, I’ll have lost absolutely nothing” ….”if I am, so what?! If I’m right, I will be able to go to heaven when I die”]
Well again Blaisse Pascal’s old wager, which makes only sense if you already belief that YHWH and his son Jesus of the Bible is the true God and eternal hell does exits (roasting forever and ever in hellfire if you don’t believe). What if Zeus, Jupiter, Odin, Thor, Baal, Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva, the FSM or whatever Deity is the correct bet ?? Then I would not like to be in your or anybody of YHWH theists wrong bet position on judgment day, because Baal’s eternal hell is waiting for you !!
[”and also marriage to a kind, honest man”]
Possibly there are also happy marriages possible without believing in YHWH and Jesus? Poor Buddhist, Hindus, Taoist, Muslims etc… woman they will never find a decent husband without Jesus. And I really hope that you life up to the Bible and take St. Paul seriously : Don’t waste your time with sexual pleasure, the end is near in 2-3 years so focus on God not your husband !
(written 55 AD, so the end times are supposed to have happened 57-58 AD already)
And about enjoying ‘Christian life’ I am not that sure if it is really that enjoying to follow a sin focused misery cult, wasting Sundays in church, or hours every day in prayer, bending down towards Mecca 5 times a day, locking children up in the cabinet and let them recite Bible verses, throwing yourself to the floor to creep slowly forward for month towards Lhasa for enlightenment, spending vast amounts to televangelists, running from door to door with Jehovah’s pocket Bible to proselytize, rejecting science achievements based on faith …etc..
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Soo, men wrote your bible, not god.
The bible is not only poor fiction, it’s poorly written fiction.
Good luck with the delusion.
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Nightshade,
I am an avid pastafarian, but do you have any citations for hell being adopted from Dante’s work? I cannot find anything on google and am wondering where you got this from.
Ramen
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Soo, it’s not that we don’t believe in your God. We’re just waiting for empirical proof of his/her/it’s existence. By the way. Thanks for not being rude and foul mouthed. It’s a nice change from the usual Jerry Springer types that send us hate mail.
About being sad and angry, I’m just sad and angry because of the sheer stupidity of 99% of the Christians out there. Most of you people firmly believe that you’ll get to your heaven no matter how many atrocities you preform as long as you have Jesus in your hearts. So all of these priests who have molested and butt fucked children are still getting into heaven? What about hypocritical coke addicted tele-evangelists? Are the Spanish Inquisitors in heaven? If they are than your religion is one awful foul disease that needs to be completely removed from this planet. I have yet to meet a Christian who truly lives up to what a Christian is supposed to be, according to the 10 commandments. I have pretty much always found that Christians are some of the least educated but most closed minded people ever. They also seem to be the ones who will strike first when confronted with a viewpoint that is different from theirs. How does one define a Christian? That’s the person who is hitting you in God’s name. I’m just wondering how long it will be before we have Christian suicide bombers. I’d be surprised if it didn’t happen before the end of this decade. But I digress.
I’m glad you said Christians are not all closed minded but I’d sure like to meet one. Even you don’t seem to really understand the point behind this website. Do any of you ever read the Open Letter to the Kansas State School Board? I’ve yet to see a hate-mail from someone who has and I’ve been here for a couple of years. I hope you come back but I know I’m just pissing in the wind here. I would truly like to see just how open minded you really are. not to convert you, that’d be wrong, but to see if you can totally understand us and why we are the way we are. Unfortunately for you that would probably mean denouncing some of your beliefs and I can’t see you doing that. After all, you already believe things that can be scientifically proven to be untrue.
The dead did not come back after being buried for three days 2,000 years ago. Just didn’t happen. If it did, why is there only one record of it and that was written a few hundred years later.
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Guys guys, insulting Christianity is NOT what the Flying Spaghetti monster would want. There are always going to be Christians that try to change us, but we must not use their religion as an insult at them. We must accept their views as what they are: theirs, regardless of whether or not they accept Our Lord the Noodly One. Please, remember who our true Lord is. We represent him through our actions. He is a gracious Noodly Lord, and we must represent him as such! Only then will people realize that he is the only true God.
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Dan,
There have been documentaries on the subject and books as well but for simplification here is a quote from one websight:
The primary images of hell we have today came from the poet Dante Alighieri (1265-1321). In The Divine Comedy, Dante takes the reader through three realms of the dead: Hell, Purgatory, and Paradise. The poet has developed places for every type of person, allowing him to editorialize about people’s actions in the world of his day. In the process, he creates vivid scenes of Hell, Purgatory, and Paradise. Those, then, became the basis for virtually all of the artistic depictions of hell in the middle ages and our modern conceptions of a hell with demons, torment, and fire. All of it is poetry; none came from the Bible.
http://30ce.com/developmentofhell.htm
It would be more correct to say that there is no mention of a feiry hell in the bible. Durning the middle ages it was adopted into sermons to fighten their worshipers into abiding by church doctrine. When Dante and then Milton wrote their works is when the modern version of hell we are familiar with became part of Christianity. The no where in any translation of the Bible is there pits of fire or the like. Lots of Christian and Chatholic sights out there that depict the influence of Dante on the concept of hell.
John Milton (1608-1674)
Milton’s Paradise Lost ended the embellishments of hell, both because of the masterpiece Milton had created and because not much more could be originated that Dante and Milton hadn’t already created through the genius of their imaginations.
If the church created hell, Dante and Milton furnished, decorated, and populated it. The church was delighted with the horrific images that would frighten the flock into submission and encourage conversion through fear, so it adopted them in toto. The fact that the images weren’t biblical was a meaningless detail.
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AnneDroid,
Interesting post. So belief in god gives you pleasure, and you don’t care if you are right or wrong. It seems to me, god is not entirely different from…heroine, for example.
Which is an interesting philosophy. But see, there are others, who actually care about what is TRUE. Not least, among which, is Einstein, who said, while appreciating the beauty of the Universe: “In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a deeply religious person”.
But since the true believers always suggest that we give god a chance, let me ask you, ever considered giving science a chance? Just pick any science popularizer. be it Sean Carroll, Brian Greene, Frans deWaal, Stephen Oppenheimer, etc and go over their books. You never know how exciting and satisfying reality can be until you try.
As for our other contributor “Christian”, thanks for reminding us, as if we needed it, how loving your god is.
Ramen
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By the way, AnneDroid, if a Hindu tells you he knows Hinduism is true because he has a happy marriage built around it, and besides, he has had a relationship with Vishnu for decades, don’t you think that’s plain…OK, never mind…
As for being a prison chaplain, doesn’t it bother you that you are surrounded all the time by people who have a motive to lie to you? I’m glad it works for you, it wouldn’t for me.
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I am sorry you have been hurt by FSMists. It is obvious by your comment. You can deny His Noodliness all you want but He (and here I take special care to capitalize His Noodliness’ pronoun) will not deny you. You can hate His Noodliness but he loves you. You can say all you want that there is no His Noodliness, but the difference between you and I is that I think you can deny that I exist too.
His Noodliness himself stated in all the mystical ways of His world that He has the power to change the mystical ways of that world, including creating and destroying the physical bodies of other gods. That is why there is no uniform opinion about whether or not the Christian god actually has a body, or even a spirit. These observations are all subject to the will of the FSM.
I too was saddened by your comment. I do not know your history and why you have so little faith but I hope you would at least try to ask FSM if He comes with Parmesan, or if He needs no condiment. This will somehow show you the difference between right and wrong, and questions of existence will no longer be important.
Be well, my son.
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niteshade, how dare you compare God to a five year old! God loves his followers and grants them His endless patience. God DOES NOT however take too kindly to mockery. This is a typical atheist paradox. If God kills evil people you call Him a mass-murdering monster, But if He doesn’t do anything about evil and just lets it go, you complain about the evil in the world and why God allows it. God destroys evil and you call it murder, God doesn’t and you call it negligence to Creation! God can punish evil just as easily as He can grant Christians immortality. God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil. If you say God isn’t real it wont help you escape Hell anymore than jumping off a building while yelling “there’s no such thing as gravity!” will make you stop falling Amen!!!
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Reading that third paragraph is like listening to a Head-On advertisement. God: Apply directly where you need an excuse to invade foreign countries! Moses: Apply directly where your logic begins to fall apart!
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Christian (#79) – you seem to be giving your god a lot of attribues that belong to you. It’s you that loves Christians and Christianity, it is you that detests your beliefs being mocked, it is you that assumes God only kills ‘evil’ people and spares the good, it is you that wants to believe that those that disagree with you will suffer.
You have decided that what you think is what god thinks are the same. You’ve made yourself into a false idol and if the Christians are right, that’ll consign you to hell.
I’m looking forward to the beer volcanoe, RAmen
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christian–
you might want to take a look at Niteshade’s post #75 above. Hell is a made-up concept. Just like the rest of xianity. See my post #14. You are certainly not acting the part of the xian do-gooder when you wantonly curse and damn us. Who the fuck are you to judge me? How many houses have you built for poor people? How many homeless animals have you rescued? How many times have you shoveled out the little old lady next door without being asked? Go ahead and believe whatever you like, that’s your right. But don’t come snorting around here pretending that your ideas have any validity beyond your own imagination, because we’re not buying it.
RAmen
ET
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Our frined “Christian”(a shining example of the teachings of his faith indeed)keeps gracing us with his presence. I feel sad for him, because by denying His Noodliness he will end up with stale beer and STD laden strippers for eternity. Won’t that be an unhappy eventuality. FSM is love but there is a limit to how much evil His Noodliness will put up with. He thinks that denying the FSM will save him his comeuppance. That is just like jumping off a cliff in the delusion that you are a bird. Unfortunately he is not listening to the call to wake up and smell the pasta. Oh well, even Bobby Henderson cannot save everyone. Sad but inevitable.
Ramen
PS: Keep it coming buddy.
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At Christian: Your God does not exist. It’s called brainwashing you moron. Since you are such a hate full Idiot, I will be waiting for you down here in Hell.
Lucifer
P.S. Don’t forget to keep giving money to your pervert Priest, he needs it to continue molesting kids.
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….@ace_rancid. Right on. I’d like to supplement your advertisement: ….And in the case of rectal discomfort, Christian, shove it directly up next to your beliefs…
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“God himself stated in the Bible”
God did not write the Bible, the Torah, the Quran or any other such book. Religion was invented by man FOR man. If there was an omnipotent being who really wanted us to follow his wishes, he would have come up with something better than that old rambling, contradictory, plagarized set of fables.
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On November 2nd, 2008 Christian Said in part:
“This is a typical atheist paradox. If God kills evil people you call Him a mass-murdering monster, But if He doesn’t do anything about evil and just lets it go, you complain about the evil in the world and why God allows it. God destroys evil and you call it murder, God doesn’t and you call it negligence to Creation! God can punish evil just as easily as He can grant Christians immortality. God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil.”
I let your earlier rant go unanswered, but this last is too much. Don’t you even remember reading in your bible about God killing innocent children? After God “hardened Pharaoh’s heart” so as to cause him to refuse to let the Hebrews leave Egypt, God killed uncounted thousands of children, who had nothing to do with keeping anyone anywhere.
In case you need to review, here are the exact words, directly from your god, who after all, is the actual author of your book (right?)
Exodus 12:29
And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
In addition to “hating evil,” it looks like he also hates first born children. I’m sad for you if that is the kind of god you worship.
RAmen
PS You seem confused about immortality, too. God did not make a special grant of immortality to Christians. We are all immortal. Some of us will spend time with the (fresh) beer volcano, near the stripper factory and some of will have to be satisfied with stale beer and stale strippers.
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@79 Christian,
Yeah, niteshade is totally off-base. God is more like a teething two-year-old.
So, God destroys evil? Does God care anything about collateral damage? You know, all the young children who die horrible deaths because of bad things adults around them do? And I’m not sure about God killing evil. Please, when was the last verifiable instance of God doing something about anything?
As for the gravity comparison, well, we have evidence of the existence of gravity, and a nonrefutable theory as to the cause of gravity: the frequent touch of His Noodly Appendages. Show me evidence for your God and for hell.
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Christian,
I never said God is like a 5 year old. I said organized religions like Christianity portray him as a 5 year old. I believe in God but I do not buy you and organized religions version of him because it lacks any kind of reasonable sense. I suggest you learn to read. Making replies like yours with out reading and understanding what was written makes you look ignorant.
Unlike you I have done research into the history of the Bible. It rips off many other religions in it’s stories. For example the Jesus story, shows up in many older religions for their important people. A lot of the parts of the story are the same. Many have a virgin birth, there are others that have a resurrection (same time frame and everything), and etc. The list is pretty long. Only when you can look at the complete history, like the editing, the translations (many languages to don’t translate well into each other) the copying errors made by monks copying the Bible (a good number who could not read), etc. can you know your religious text. I won’t even get into the fact that nowhere in the Bible (in any translation) is there mention of fiery hell.
So when I die what happens will be between me and my God, you don’t get a say.
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To Christian, post 79.
I noticed one or two exclaimation marks creeping into your post,I have always been taught that you should steer well clear off anyone who uses more than two at once! I almost felt the need to wipe spittle and bile off of my screen.
Gravity is an accepted scientfic theory with a whole bookshop’s worth of evidence for it.If you jump off a building because you don’t beleive in Gravity then you are a muppet. Likewise belief in a God without any evidence (and I don’t mean the best selling work of Fiction that is The Bible – I read it once – bit boring despite far too much violence, murder and gratuitous anal sex for my liking) makes you a muppet – especially if you’re saying that to avoid Hell I just need to say “God is real”. There I’ve said it now, so I won’t be going to hell, even though he doesn’t and I consider myself an Atheist at level 6 almost 7 (see The God Delusion – Richard Dawkins).
Peace out!
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@Christian:
Pip…Boobie! Why all the anger?
Can you not see the paradox of a god with, as you put it, “endless patience” and this same god that “doesn’t take kind to mockery”. That is the emotional level of a five year old, if you ask me. Why don’t you think that god has a sense of humor and can take some old fashioned criticism. If you would carefully read your holy book; (and just to make it easy for you, here’s chapter and verse) god is by his own admission to blame fo rall the good and bad.
Isaiah 45:6-7
“I am the Lord and there is none else. I form the light create darkness.I make peace and create evil. I, the Lord do all THESE things.”
Pretty good, eh? I’m an ex Sunday School teacher!
If your universe is centered around an omniscient, omnipresent god, don’t you think your god created evil? Why would you need to concern yourself with being good all the time if evil didn’t exist. And should evil be destroyed, just what would christians occupy their time with? A saucy game of Jenga, perhaps?!
I’m serious! Didn’t god create satan(evil), if he didn’t, who the fuck did? Shouldn’t you be sending their website your hate-mail instead.
Another thing for you to think about: an all knowing everywhere at once deity would know before your birth of all the kind and ill acts you would commit thru your lifespan. Knowing this, why do you need redemption? He already knows if you’re heaven or hellbound; why allow you to spin your wheels for 75+ years with the knowledge that you’re just wasting your time and are going to hell anyway.
Think about it, Pip
rAmen
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Theo #55 and Lindy #56, thanks for your reply to my comment. :) I don’t think I made myself very clear though. I didn’t mean that my motive for believing was a kind of vaccination/insurance/just in case policy. I was just saying that IF I’m wrong (which obviously I don’t think I am, as YOU don’t think YOU’RE wrong), it won’t matter.
Insightful Ape #76 and #77, you say, “So belief in god gives you pleasure, and you don’t care if you are right or wrong”. I didn’t mean that either. Nor did I say it, or else (quite likely) I am less good at expressing myself than I thought. Of course I care. I believe that what I believe is true, which is why I believe it. It does bring me pleasure, and joy, and peace, but ONLY because I believe it’s true! Occasionally I have doubts. So do some atheists. But mainly I DO believe it’s true and I doubt less as the years go by. Nor did I mean that my marriage was ONLY happy because I’m a Christian and that non-Christian marriages are unhappy – of course I don’t think that. I KNOW that’s not true, plainly not, and I’m not sure why you thought I was saying that. I just meant that were it not for our then local church my husband and I would never have met. And you say: “As for being a prison chaplain, doesn’t it bother you that you are surrounded all the time by people who have a motive to lie to you? I’m glad it works for you, it wouldn’t for me.” I used to work for the Department of Social Security (now Benefits Agency) and before that in a Night Shelter. So the experience of being lied to is not a new thing! Trying to spot the lies from the truths is quite stimulating. And I do get paid to listen to absolutely fascinating stories – many of them all too true – and drink coffee with the tellers of them. There are many worse ways to make a living, some of which I’ve even tried.
Roland #69 and #70. Thanks for your comment too. I don’t know where to begin to reply so I won’t try. As you may by now have gathered, debating isn’t my strong point. :)
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“Do not stereotype Christians. We are not all the same. We are not all condemning or judgemental. We are not all closed minded.”
However, we all seem to like trying to convince people that our religion is the only religion. (:
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If you are teaching evolution as a real idea than you must teach Judaism, Christianity, Muslim, Aethism and every other religion as real, in the school totally unbiased. Solution: don’t teach evolution, it’s fake, I believe in God I am not going to force that on you but you must understand that you say we have no proof of God.
YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF EVOLUTION EITHER!
get a life, seriously…
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Tam #93. It may seem like that. Another possible interpretation is that we are like beggars telling other beggars where we found food.
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Hi AnneDroid (#92) – it seems to me that your faith has brought a lot of good into your life, which is great! I (and many others here) have no problem with that. You have a right to believe in whatever you wish; even if I think it is silly.
It’s when religions’ try to put their values and beliefs into laws that affect me that I get concerned. Does your faith mean you oppose laws that;
Allow abortion?
Seperate religous and scientific education?
Legalise Homosexuality or same sex marriage?
This is aside from dubious moral practises such as child baptism and targetting vulnerable people for conversion. Obviously you’re entitled to your views but relgions often use pressure tactics for these views to be enforced on others, especially children. That I cannot sit by and accept.
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“If you say God isn’t real it wont help you escape Hell anymore than jumping off a building while yelling “there’s no such thing as gravity!” will make you stop falling Amen!!!”–Christian
Should I click my heels and say “God isn’t real…God isn’t real” and it will get me to hell just like the ruby slippers and chanting “There’s no place like home…there’s no place like home” got Dorothy home in the Wizard of Oz?
“God WILL destroy evil because God HATES evil.”
Hate is such a strong word. According to the bible, there is a lot of evil. I guess god should get working, eh? But he doesn’t because we still have rapists, murderers and child molesters living and breathing evil every day they are alive. What about that evil?
As for the granting of immortality, that’s just more bs spouted by a bs machine called Christianity. Its meant to save the world from having a great sex life and living their lives to the fullest. Its meant to save people from themselves. Its meant, at its core, to be a restrictive and prejudice way of living your life in the smallest brain capacity. You don’t have to think anymore. You don’t have to look for answers. You’ve got everything you need in a faulty book created by people just to control other people.
No thanks, Christian. I’ll stick with Lucifer and hell, if there is one. I suspect when I arrive there will be a red carpet rolled out for me, a limo, paparazzi, and a brass band playing “Hail to the Chief” to be followed with a catered reception. But there isn’t a hell. It doesn’t exist.
One last thing: No one likes having your Christian dogma stuffed down our throats. Its rude and presumptous.
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Hi AnneDroid, thanks for your civil tone(which is a rare commodity these days). I don’t particularly care what your personal beliefs are, and I am glad you are living a happy life. But my personal philosophy is, in order to accept something, there should be some evidence (and personal experience doesn’t count-different people can argue in favor of contradicting claims based on this). If you don’t agree that is fine.
As for being wrong-there is more than one way to be wrong. Many Muslims believe it is an unforgivable heresy to think Jesus was the son of god(the Koran proclaims god was not begotten and does not beget children). They claim Jesus was a prophet but not divine. According to them you will go to hell when you die. See, you may not be protected if you are “wrong”. I reject their notion based on lack of evidence.
As you have seen here not all your fellow christians are as nice as you are. Don’t you have anything to say to the pleasant guy referring to himself here as “Christian”?
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@79 Christian,
I love your GOD. He/she (which is it by the way?) provides me with endless comic relief. I do feel saddened that all of those priests are having anal sex with those little boys in his/her name though. It further saddens me that those people will end up in your heaven because they are speaking the word of your god. If that is the case,(and I am wrong) I will be enjoying the Keg party next to at the Suite next to Satan’s in your made up hell… (I feel that there is a better chance that it will be a stripper factory and a beer volcano though…)
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Oh boy, amusements at the Church of His Noodliness never end. This time it is “A Christian” claiming there is no evidence for evolution. Look buddy, here is what I think: in the spirit of inclusiveness, all mosques, churches, and synagogues should be required to teach the “altenative theory” that the world was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster(and schools of course, that goes without saying). Those that refuse to “teach the controversy” should be required to pay taxes like everyone else. Fair enough?
PS: Of course we cannot prove evolution. We cannot prove other unsubstantiated “theories” like theory of relativity, cell theory and electromagnetic theory either. These are all parts of a grand left wing conspiracy named REALITY.
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