Comments on: PZ Myers and Richard Carrier to speak at MSU http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/ Sun, 14 Mar 2010 02:29:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: tillymoondrop http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-661153 tillymoondrop Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:28:10 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-661153 I think this is silly the FSM embraces the creation theory and these fools are trying to disprove this HELLO? DID YOU LEAVE YOUR BRAIN IN YOUR PASTA BOWL??? I think this is silly
the FSM embraces the creation theory
and these fools are trying to disprove this
HELLO? DID YOU LEAVE YOUR BRAIN IN YOUR PASTA BOWL???

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]]> By: Jan van Niekerk http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654657 Jan van Niekerk Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:25:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654657 m610 - Q. "Third, are you addressing Pastafarianism, or Christianity, or some other religion?" A. I said "Religion" and "Belief". You said "Religion". What you believe is your belief. What I believe is my belief. You possibly believe you are correct (it is a common failing). I have this failing too -- and I happen to believe you are wrong. If your belief so lights up the world, why is there a need for the FSM? All you have to do is haul out the bright light of truth and fantasies will disappear. Isn't that the bright light of truth you have in your hand? Don't hide it behind the meatballs! Show it for all the world to see! The truth doesn't have anything to fear from a proper examination. All men, when you reveal that true light, will understand why you have such faith in it. m610 – Q. “Third, are you addressing Pastafarianism, or Christianity, or some other religion?” A. I said “Religion” and “Belief”. You said “Religion”. What you believe is your belief. What I believe is my belief. You possibly believe you are correct (it is a common failing). I have this failing too — and I happen to believe you are wrong.

If your belief so lights up the world, why is there a need for the FSM? All you have to do is haul out the bright light of truth and fantasies will disappear. Isn’t that the bright light of truth you have in your hand? Don’t hide it behind the meatballs! Show it for all the world to see! The truth doesn’t have anything to fear from a proper examination. All men, when you reveal that true light, will understand why you have such faith in it.

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]]> By: socokid http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654616 socokid Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:34:03 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654616 I thought Richard was very well represented in "The God That Wasn't There" video, which was great. http://www.thegodmovie.com/ Is there any audio/video of the discussion? Thanks! I thought Richard was very well represented in “The God That Wasn’t There” video, which was great.

http://www.thegodmovie.com/

Is there any audio/video of the discussion? Thanks!

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]]> By: Redbeard http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654611 Redbeard Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:22:31 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654611 People from PA don't normally get to Missouri in the course of everyday travel, so I missed the discussion. However, over on Pharyngula, which is an excellent blog for those of you who have never been there, PZ Myers mentions that "While I did briefly disparage the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, ...". I'm just curious, for anyone who was there, what did he say? Of course, I could wait for the DVD, I was just curious. Ramen! People from PA don’t normally get to Missouri in the course of everyday travel, so I missed the discussion. However, over on Pharyngula, which is an excellent blog for those of you who have never been there, PZ Myers mentions that “While I did briefly disparage the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, …”. I’m just curious, for anyone who was there, what did he say?

Of course, I could wait for the DVD, I was just curious.

Ramen!

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]]> By: Wench Nikkiee http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654360 Wench Nikkiee Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654360 #3 JT Eberhard "It’ll be on youtube" . Thanks JT! #3 JT Eberhard
“It’ll be on youtube”
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Thanks JT!

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]]> By: m610 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654179 m610 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:50:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654179 Jan - First, it need not be hate mail to be able to criticize things FSM. Second, you are right, and many people who come here don't get it. Third, are you addressing Pastafarianism, or Christianity, or some other religion? What you wrote seems to apply to all of them, unless you take history and tradition to be the same as evidence. In that case, FSM has at least some, which would validate it. Fourth, read the letter to the Kansas School Board, that or wikipedia. A sincere Ramen to you. Jan – First, it need not be hate mail to be able to criticize things FSM. Second, you are right, and many people who come here don’t get it. Third, are you addressing Pastafarianism, or Christianity, or some other religion? What you wrote seems to apply to all of them, unless you take history and tradition to be the same as evidence. In that case, FSM has at least some, which would validate it. Fourth, read the letter to the Kansas School Board, that or wikipedia. A sincere Ramen to you.

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]]> By: jeremykeys http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654061 jeremykeys Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:12:26 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-654061 Guess I'll have to look on youtube. Wish me luck. Given the chance that I don't find it I hope someone will post here with a title or something. Guess I’ll have to look on youtube. Wish me luck. Given the chance that I don’t find it I hope someone will post here with a title or something.

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]]> By: Derrick http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-653748 Derrick Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:44:15 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-653748 Jan van Niekerk Wow, took you a while to figure that out. How many times does it take for people like you to realize that FSM is to bring to light the absurdity of ID. FSM is to real, PROVE FSM doesn’t exist. You can’t. Prove he does exist you will ask. Well look on the home page for FSM, he is there therefore he exists. And good luck with the seminar. Jan van Niekerk
Wow, took you a while to figure that out. How many times does it take for people like you to realize that FSM is to bring to light the absurdity of ID.
FSM is to real, PROVE FSM doesn’t exist. You can’t. Prove he does exist you will ask.
Well look on the home page for FSM, he is there therefore he exists.

And good luck with the seminar.

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]]> By: CindyB http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-653224 CindyB Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:00:15 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-653224 Well Jan, if you want to believe that some guy was born of a virgin, that's okay. So many pagan religions have done it before you, so nothing new there. But if anyone's interested, I went to the Freedom From Religion Convention in Chicago last weekend and so many people recognized the logo on my FSM t-shirt. I was blessed by His Noodly Appendage by fellow Pastafarians several times. Goes to show you that atheists have a sense of humor, which the Christians apparently never ever had (or they lost it a very long time ago). Sad. Well Jan, if you want to believe that some guy was born of a virgin, that’s okay. So many pagan religions have done it before you, so nothing new there. But if anyone’s interested, I went to the Freedom From Religion Convention in Chicago last weekend and so many people recognized the logo on my FSM t-shirt. I was blessed by His Noodly Appendage by fellow Pastafarians several times. Goes to show you that atheists have a sense of humor, which the Christians apparently never ever had (or they lost it a very long time ago). Sad.

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]]> By: Jan van Niekerk http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650390 Jan van Niekerk Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:44:03 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650390 Hey! This looks like the wrong place to put hate mail! Oh well, you can't always win. You have made a remarkable parody of a religion that has no factual basis. This is the straw man argument. It is amazing how full of straw your straw man is. I think those noodly appendages are straw too. How clever and insightful you folks must be, to construct such a pirated load of straw! How easy and simply it is shown to be insubstantial and devoid of truth. Even the meat balls have no meat. But where oh where will we find a religion with no factual basis, no documentary support, but only heaps and heaps of data, massaged by the faithful as if it fits the doctrine? A belief with millions of enthusiastic supporters who cannot see that it is false, empty and useless. You think mine? I think yours. Hey! This looks like the wrong place to put hate mail! Oh well, you can’t always win.

You have made a remarkable parody of a religion that has no factual basis. This is the straw man argument. It is amazing how full of straw your straw man is. I think those noodly appendages are straw too. How clever and insightful you folks must be, to construct such a pirated load of straw! How easy and simply it is shown to be insubstantial and devoid of truth. Even the meat balls have no meat. But where oh where will we find a religion with no factual basis, no documentary support, but only heaps and heaps of data, massaged by the faithful as if it fits the doctrine? A belief with millions of enthusiastic supporters who cannot see that it is false, empty and useless. You think mine? I think yours.

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]]> By: featheredfrog http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650293 featheredfrog Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:28:32 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650293 Hi. Above the cut you say you'll be <em>"will be speaking in Springfield on Saturday afternoon,"</em> You do know that there is at least one Springfield in every state, don't you? Hi. Above the cut you say you’ll be “will be speaking in Springfield on Saturday afternoon,”

You do know that there is at least one Springfield in every state, don’t you?

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]]> By: Yngve http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650262 Yngve Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:44:12 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650262 I couldn't help but noticing the wording depicting the role of the inaity that is creationism or "ID". It says "the American creation-evolution controversy". And yes, it's an Amreican phenomenon. Living in Norway I cannot think of any other western country that even has a hint of the so-called controversy you people have over there. Sadly we've got our share of woo though... Anyhow, would've loved to be there, but I'm aiming for TAM 09 and maybe a Galapogean journey. Cheers people! I couldn’t help but noticing the wording depicting the role of the inaity that is creationism or “ID”. It says “the American creation-evolution controversy”. And yes, it’s an Amreican phenomenon.
Living in Norway I cannot think of any other western country that even has a hint of the so-called controversy you people have over there.
Sadly we’ve got our share of woo though…
Anyhow, would’ve loved to be there, but I’m aiming for TAM 09 and maybe a Galapogean journey. Cheers people!

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]]> By: agni http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650250 agni Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:25:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-650250 If I could be there! If I could be there!

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]]> By: JT Eberhard http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-649698 JT Eberhard Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:31:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-649698 Yeah, I've got a professional company filming it. :D It'll be on youtube and possibly available on DvD. JT Yeah, I’ve got a professional company filming it. :D It’ll be on youtube and possibly available on DvD.

JT

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]]> By: A.Gweeok http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-648481 A.Gweeok Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:10:18 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-648481 For those that can not travel to attend is there anyone willing to broadcast live via webcast or possibly record for a later web viewing so we can all enoy? For those that can not travel to attend is there anyone willing to broadcast live via webcast or possibly record for a later web viewing so we can all enoy?

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]]> By: Fogey http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-647283 Fogey Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:27:43 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/10/07/pz-myers-and-richard-carrier/#comment-647283 Wish I could be there! Wish I could be there!

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