Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Divooneh
Hello, I am a Christian
Published by Bobby Henderson October 2nd, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 383 Comments
383 Responses to “Hello, I am a Christian”
Didn’t you look at the chart? Or the historically accurate illustration of the beginning?
http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Irony
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Yeah, it sounds like Christianity, too LOL
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Divooneh, change the target of your post to Christianity and you our not-so-cleverly hidden meaning. The irony of your post is killing me.
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Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM?
I’d like to know the same thing about your religion.
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Hello Divooneh, I am a pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of God?
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Dear Christian,
can you tell me any proof that God is somewhere?
Can you tell me that christian church didn’t kill tons of people from the beginnin of time ’till now?
Can you explain me how can you believe in the Vatican?
The real problem is that, if you would be informed, you could say me that ALL religions were being created by power-addicted men…
Ramen.
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No, see, I can tell you one way in which we’re not much like Scientology. Much unlike Scientology, we don’t psychologically traumatize and cause the deaths of tons of people in the interests of squeezing all their money into our pockets.
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Hello, I am a Pastafaria, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
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*PastafariaN..
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There is no proof. That’s the whole point. It’s a parody of religion. Your exact arguments right there could be applied to Christianity or any other religion.
Imagine yourself, or anyone, saying that about Christianity, then consider the answers you would give them. You would arrive at the same conclusion you just mentioned; “I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)”
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Hello, I’m a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is there any proof of God? If so, can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please? I am curious to know. I personally believe Christianity is just some silly religion thought up by overactive imaginations of sheep herders.
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Well, I think the pirates & global warming chart is pretty convincing proof that global warming isn’t caused by carbon emissions. So there’s got to be an explanation for why the scientists seem so convincing when they talk about evolution and global warming. That leads pretty clearly to the intervention of His Noodliness, I think we’d all agree.
Of course, other religions also have some pretty convincing proof on their side as well. I don’t know how you argue with, “we’ve got a really old book that says so,” and “lots of other people agree with us.”
On balance though, I’m going with the noodles.
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Hello, I was raised Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of the Christian God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know.
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Ahahaha, classic!
Oh the blindness…
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People who follow this religion don’t actually believe that there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It is actually a commentary on how ridiculous other religions are.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against people believing in God, but I am whole-heartedly against religion. People who kill others in the name of “God”, are not worthy of a place in heaven.
That being said, since you are a “Christian”, could you please show me some proof that God exists.
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The irony here is astounding. From “I personally believe this” onwards you have described perfectly how all religions started.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of your God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Steve
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Hey, this seems familiar.
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Can anyone do anything besides just blink at this post? “Proof” from a Christian? Seriously?
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St. Thomas Aquinas gave a series of “proofs” or “ways” to know the existence of God/FSM.
The First Way: Argument from Motion
1. Our senses prove that some things are in motion.
2. Things move when potential motion becomes actual motion.
3. Only an actual motion can convert a potential motion into an actual motion.
4. Nothing can be at once in both actuality and potentiality in the same respect (i.e., if both actual and potential, it is actual in one respect and potential in another).
5. Therefore nothing can move itself.
6. Therefore each thing in motion is moved by something else.
7. The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum.
8. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Second Way: Argument from Efficient Causes
1. We perceive a series of efficient causes of things in the world.
2. Nothing exists prior to itself.
3. Therefore nothing is the efficient cause of itself.
4. If a previous efficient cause does not exist, neither does the thing that results.
5. Therefore if the first thing in a series does not exist, nothing in the series exists.
6. The series of efficient causes cannot extend ad infinitum into the past, for then there would be no things existing now.
7. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Third Way: Argument from Possibility and Necessity (Reductio argument)
1. We find in nature things that are possible to be and not to be, that come into being and go out of being i.e., contingent beings.
2. Assume that every being is a contingent being.
3. For each contingent being, there is a time it does not exist.
4. Therefore it is impossible for these always to exist.
5. Therefore there could have been a time when no things existed.
6. Therefore at that time there would have been nothing to bring the currently existing contingent beings into existence.
7. Therefore, nothing would be in existence now.
8. We have reached an absurd result from assuming that every being is a contingent being.
9. Therefore not every being is a contingent being.
10. Therefore some being exists of its own necessity, and does not receive its existence from another being, but rather causes them. This all men speak of as the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Fourth Way: Argument from Gradation of Being
1. There is a gradation to be found in things: some are better or worse than others.
2. Predications of degree require reference to the “uttermost” case (e.g., a thing is said to be hotter according as it more nearly resembles that which is hottest).
3. The maximum in any genus is the cause of all in that genus.
4. Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The Fifth Way: Argument from Design
1. We see that natural bodies work toward some goal, and do not do so by chance.
2. Most natural things lack knowledge.
3. But as an arrow reaches its target because it is directed by an archer, what lacks intelligence achieves goals by being directed by something intelligence.
4. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are directed to their end; and this being we call the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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Uhhh… yeah.
Exactly.
We’ll show you ours if you show us yours.
Ramen
Brother Rotini
(The screwy one)
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Divooneh, can you please show me some PROOF that ‘God’ exists and isn’t created by a fool who talked with a burning bush and walked for more then -was it 40? – years in the desert? (btw, now a days they lock you up in a very special place if you talk to a burning bush)
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I’d like to point out that there is just as much a proof of FSM as tehre is of Jesus
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Yar! Welcome Divooneh! Avast! That’s an unusual name you have there!
What proof do we have;
1. Milions of people share our faith, millions of people can’t be wrong!
2. If there was no Spaghetti Monster, how do you explain the complexity of the Universe? It must have been created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
3. If you have faith and occasionally dress in full pirate regalia, you will be rewarded in Heaven with a beer volcano. How can you not believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster that loves us enough to give us a perfect afterlife?!!!!
4. We have a graph! Yar!
5. What proof do you have that he DOESN’T exist?
I know this can seem pretty silly to a lot of people but Christianity is also pretty silly in parts! I mean coming back from the dead? A virgin birth in a mamalian species? This is why you must have FAITH in the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER who will give us life after death with STRIPPERS AND BEER VOLCANOS!!!!! RAmen!
What type of Christian are you (there are so many, you can’t all be right)? What proof do you have your Christian sect’s “God” exists?
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of JC? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Anonymous Gweeok
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Do I dare point out the incredible hilarity at having a Xian come and question how in the world it is possible that people could possibly believe in something with no direct evidence to support it?
The idea that Divooneh could write that post in a non-satirical manner fills me with disbelief. I truly hope (oh, how I hope) that this was a cleverly worded jab at the phrase ‘blind faith’ as it applies to the teaching purported to have been those of Jesus. Jesus, who may or may not have existed, who may or may not have said any of those things. A figure, who’s ’story’ was told to others who told others, and the few that believed them were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.
* I just couldn’t resist a heaping helping of irony *
cheers
PC
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Divooneh, your whole post is the EXACT reason for FSM. If you re-read your post then factor in Christian elements, I think you’ll find you’ll have the same questions.
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Is there any proof that there was a guy like Jesus?
is there any proof that god exists?
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Dear Divooneh –
Hi – I’m not a Christian. So can you please show me proof of Jesus Christ? Of the immaculate conception? Of the parting of the Red Sea? Of God? Of Noah and the flood? Of heaven or hell? If so, can you please explain it to me, this proof? I am curious to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. It seems Christianity is used in so many destructive ways. Please explain.
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Um, well. Three Cheers to Stumble! Anyways… as far as the FSM is concerned……proof? need there be any? Christendom has no proof of virtually any of its dogma either. What very little evidence there is of even the man Jesus comes from a pretty questionable source(i do not recall any scholar making the claim that Josephus is a reliable, objective source. Let alone the claim of the man Jesus was Christ or if it were later edited into the texts). But the point of religion is to have faith. Anyone may, thankfully, believe in anything they will. Some prefer to have conviction to ideals rather than an institution of organized religion. So be it. Some may seek absolute knowledge rather than faith in the unknown. So be it. But really, your entire last sentence may be applied in its entirety to early Christianity.
and as for my posting name, it is a combination of my name and the numerals of my drivers license number, which does end in 666……makes me wish i believed in the devil :D
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Your concern is highly ironic.
To claim to be Pastafarian is to point a finger at all “serious” religions and laugh heartily. There is exactly as much proof of the FSM as there is in any other god, including your sun god, Christ (or, if you prefer, your sky god, YHVH). We would say that all religions are silly, and “thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone.”
Unlike Scientology or Christianity, Pastafarianism costs no money, and demands no displays of loyalty or submission. It’s appeal is not based on a desire to be lead or given hope, but to enjoy yourself in the face of the sometimes brutally depressing behavior people exhibit in the name of religion (mass murder, torture, oppression, hate, ignorance, etc). It reminds us how silly the idea of invisible people in the clouds really is, and gives us the best possible invisible person to follow: one that wants us to relax, chill out, get along, etc.
If you have ever found yourself “hopeless in life” and “looking for someone to lead” you, you’re very vulnerable to people taking advantage of you via your faith. Please be careful with your money and time: both of them are precious, but the latter is of fixed and limited supply, and spending any of it bowing down to idols and idol-bearers for the sake of silly ideas and swelling egos is probably not worth it.
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Yes, actually there is proof of the existence of the FSM and you can find that information on this website. (Clicking on the “Evidence” tab might have been a good place to start) I wonder if you have any evidence for your God? Remember the bible saying that God exists and that God wrote the bible is not proof that he exists. But don’t worry, I’m not going to berate you for your beliefs since the FSM doesn’t care if you don’t believe in him so long as you are a good person (he’s not that vain).
Anyways we are not like scientology as we are not highly secretive. No one is supposed to know the whole Xenu story of scientology until they reach OT3 which means they’ll have already paid thousands of dollars to the church.
Pastafarians on the other hand are not required to pay any money to the church, although the more devout of us have bought the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and may have bought other things like mugs, decals, or (like myself) t-shirts.
Anyways, may you be touched by His noodly appendage.
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P.S. On a side note to all Pastafarians here, I am celebrating my birthday today in true pastafarian fashion. I’ll spend the day in my pirate regalia and tonight I will be going for a pasta dinner.
RAmen everyone.
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“Who told others…”
OK, this sort of makes sense. Sentence diagramming may be an exercise that would help you construct sentences.
So someone makes up some ideas and expects people to follow, claiming he/she will “show the way.” This is religion.
FSM followers believe that religion doesn’t belong in science class. More recently, they speak up against the misuse of Christianity to exclude or threaten human beings.
Proof? Besides the graphs, FSM can be seen in the actions of his believers.
Arg. RAmen
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First I’ld like to thank you for not being a blantly insulting troll like the other hate mailer. There is proof(mostly doctored photos), but Pastafarianism is primarily a philosophy and satire.
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Yar, another thing ya crazy persian! Were you hopeless in life when you turned to “Christ”? I notice many Xians convert after a personal crisis; tis the same thing surely?
The only difference I can spy through me glass is that Xians actively target the disadvantaged, impoverished, ignorant, children and addicted where as we wait for ‘em to come to our port on the world wide web.
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I think you’ll find that the proof for our religion is the same as the proof for yours.
So don’t go disrespecting us.
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Okay, first off, do NOT even DARE compare us to Scientologists. They kill their own followers (rather like Christianity, actually). Secondly, if you wish to learn, use your noodle and buy a copy of the gospel. It was made for a reason. ;)
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Divooneh,
Much like your religion, the church of the Flying Spaghetti monster is the truth. Just like Jesus and God are everywhere, so is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He gives us the taste of goodness, and the breath of fulfillment.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.
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Divooneh, a good book for you to read is “God Is Not Great”, by Christopher Hitchens. (I’m still reading it, but the author has not mentioned the FSM so far. Not sure whether that’s good or bad, maybe other Pastafarians have an opinion.) “Proof” of any religion is hard to come by, but evidence is good that – just as Pastafarianism – ALL religions are invented and pushed by humans. And both the leaders and followers in all religions have a great variety of motivations. I happen to like Pastafarianism because – unlike evangelical Christianity – it emphasizes rationality and tolerance and resists bigotry – especially creationist bigotry. (Check out Pat Robertson or the Westboro Babtist Church before you take too lofty a position about your own faith.)
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So what you’re saying is we’re as legitimate as Christianity? Thanks. I’m glad we’re getting the recognition we deserve. After all, isn’t that the way your cult started out?
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Do these people read what they write?
“I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.”
Sounds like [Christianity | Islam | Judaism | ad infinitum] to me!
We have as much proof of the FSM as you have of Christ/God/Whatever. More even.
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You look like you’ve already made up your mind mr. christian. If you are here seeking answers you should not be so quick to condemn (very un-christian like but unfortunately very common amongst christians). I think you need to go back to church and pay more attention to the whole ‘love thy neighbour’ thing and ‘judge not lest ye be judged’. Why do you insist on giving your religion a bad name? It does just fine with out your help.
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As for proof – it’s written in the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster; it’s all the proof anyone with faith requires (thought you would understand that).
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The proof is that people believe, isn’t that proof enough? I mean, that’s how you know God exists. And it seems that imaginative minds 2,000 years ago told others about Jesus and God, and they, being hopeless and needing a leader, believed them. So really, our two great religions are very similar in their beginnings. And by the way, it’s “there”, “curious”, and “overactive”
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Somewhere in here is a parody of the Mac/PC commercials. “Hello, I’m a Christian.” “And I’m someone who embraces logic instead of mindlessly following the masses without question.”
Why is it that everyone who asks for things to be explained never seems to read the open letter first? Do they not click on the links? Props to you Bobby for making the site easy to navigate. I can’t understand how they don’t understand. My head hurts…I’m going to eat some pasta now…
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As luck would have it, there is as much proof of the existence of the FSM as there is for any other god. There’s even a book!
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Proof for a silly superstition?
You are soooo close to “getting it.” Just continue with your logic to its end and you eventually will.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of a God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
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Proof is the eye of the beholder, much like every religion the proof is in the hearts and minds of those who see it. Pastafarism to it’s great credit has explanations for various things written into it’s belief.
Like many religions I’ll direct you to the primary gospel of the religion and suggest you read the text with an open mind.
On a side note: “people hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.”
This discribes most religions and most notably Christianity. Be more thoughtful of the parellels you draw.
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Well, Divooneh, that really depends on your standard of proof. If you’re looking for the sort of “proof” that underpins Christianity, basically a set of stories written down in a book and called holy, then I would simply refer you to the “Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” available for purchase at Amazon.com through a link on this very webpage. Given that standard of proof The Gospel should do nicely, and welcome aboard!
If you’re looking for the sort of proof that underpins, say, Medical Science or Physics or one of those hard subjects, you know, specific, documented assumptions and verification through peer review and repeated experimentation, then you’re out of luck. Although in that case, assuming that you’re an intellectually consistent person, you probably wouldn’t call yourself a Christian (at least not out loud).
So read the book, and have some beer. It’s even better when you do both at the same time!
Ramen!
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian and I would just like to know, is there any proof of God? If so, can you please show me the proof or explain it to me over the web please? I am curious to know.
I, personally, believe christianity is just some silly religion thought up by an overactive, imaginative mind of someone who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life and so began looking for someone to lead them and show them “the way”, so they followed whatever he said.
… I wonder if they ever read what they write?
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I love that you just don’t see that the very same thing can be said about Christianity or any other religion.
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And much like christianity I imagine. As you can see, there is plenty of evidence of the FSM on this very website, feel free to check it out!
In response though, could you prove that your God exists?
May the FSM find you.
RAmen
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Is that supposed to impress me? Christian? What exactly is that, it seems to me that your religion follows the same path as what you described FSM as…deja vu silly christian.
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In response to Divooneh
Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is there any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe Christianity is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. (much like all Churches)
Do your words sound different on the other foot?
Pam
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“just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone”; just like Christianity, then.
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Is there any proof of Christianity? Is Jesus really the son of God? Prove it.
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My faith in FSM is my proof for FSM. Surely you understand, being a christian.
lmao, the irony.
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It makes me day a little brighter when I sees that satire is still a mystery o’ the briny deep to some landlubbers. To quote from a post about a similar comment, “If ye listen closely ye be hearin’ the sound of the joke goin over ye head!”
Also, curios= is a damn cabinet curious= what you probably meant
However, you=not curious, because had you read the CAUSE PAGE, I would not be laughing hysterically right now!!!!!!
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You want proof?? This is not about proof, this is about faith! Can you proof jezus even existed -let alone arose from the dead, turned water to wine etc etc.. ?
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venganza.org/evidence
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christian God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
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Um, ALL religions are made up — even Christianity.
Wow, visit a library much?
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion written down long ago by people who weren’t around to witness any of the events they wrote about. They put it in a book, and the few that believed them were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever they said. Eventually it grew into a powerful force and now can’t be questioned.
So Divooneh, tell me, is there proof for Christianity?
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A christian, asking for proof?
IRONY
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A christian? Asking for proof of the existence of a deity?
The needle on every irony meter within 500 miles just broke off.
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Divooneh-
You’ve missed our point. This religion has exactly as much proof as any other religion. Zero. It wasn’t created to be believed in, it was created to demonstrate that religion does not belong in science class. It’s a satire (look it up). When you see a Pastafarian proclaiming the Noodly Goodness of the FSM (pesto be upon him) they are just spoofing the evangelists who actually take themselves seriously.
So lighten up, have some alfredo and grog.
RAmen
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Yeah, and much like Christianity!
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Oh the irony!
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(much like Christianity)
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of your God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe yours is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Mariner
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Hello, I am not a christian and I would just like to know: is there any proof of god or Jesus? If so, can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web? I am curious to know. I, personally, believe this is just some silly religion, thought up by the overactive imagination of someone who then told others. The few that believed him were hopeless in life, looking for someone to lead them and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.
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Ahem… Oh… I kind of feel like a bit of a twat now… but really, I couldn’t resist… (Bad Ni, no biscuit!) ^_^
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what PROOF do you need? we have FAITH that FSM exists. in christianity, islam, judaism, etc., there is no PROOF that is necessary…you believe and in fact, KNOW that your god exists because of your FAITH. BLIND FAITH. the church of the FSM is no different in that regard.
there is JUST as much proof that FSM exists as does ANY OTHER DIETY. i would challenge you to think about it.
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Yeah, much like Scientology. And Buddhism. Oh, and Islam too. Oh yeah, and Christianity. Pastafarianism is unique in that it actually encourages people to have fun. Proof of the FSM? Our proof is our faith. Faith–that is all the evidence we really need. That, and the negative correlation between pirate population and global warming. In case that somehow doesn’t sound legit, then you know that it is only practical to share our faith, because you want to share in the beer volcano and stripper factory with us. What do you have to lose? Put all those woefully inadequate motivations together, and it adds up to a good overall reason. Who can possibly refuse? I’ll tell you who: Atkins dieters.
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Hi Divooneh,
Yes, there is proof of FSM. We have “The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster,” just as you have your Bible. You can buy The Gospel in many fine book stores or at Amazon.com. But if that is not proof enough, then maybe you should consider that faith does not require proof. In fact, that is the whole point of faith – to believe without proof.
As for your explanation of how you think our religion came about, I hope you see the irony of you words. They are priceless.
Thanks for writing. May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage and bathed in the warmth of His Sauciness. RAmen
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The same could be said about Christianity. I find that worshiping a zombified savior is pretty silly to me, and that since their is no real scientific proof of any of the “miracles” that occurred in the bible. I guess what I’m trying to say is that our religion is just as real as yours.
RAmen
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Oh please, a Christian calling Pastafarianism silly? We have “Purpose Driven Lives” second to none, thanks to Bobby Henderson, not Rick Warren.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof that Jesus Christ was/is God/the son of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Sarah
(Yeah, I know this has been done before, but this one was just too easy ;))
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Pastafarianism can’t be proven or disproven, so evidence is impossible to obtain. Faith is the name of the game.
Is there any proof of the Christian God?
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(much like christianity)
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I was reading through that and looked at the signature, expecting to see a real name or a ’someonewithabrain’ or something like that. But no, I see Divooneh. Who the hell (Excuse that) names their child Divooneh? How the fuck do you pronounce that? The things these xtains name their children…..
The things they name the dumb ones who can’t read and miraculously learned to type..
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Nice troll post, almost fell for it, but this is to obvious for it to come from an actual christian.
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i see that your a christian. by any chance, do you happen to have proof that your god can walk on water and heal blindness? why do you go around believing in a zombie who symbolically asks you to drink his blood anyway. so ok, i’ve heard about sightings of jesus and all, well here are some proofs to show that the FSM really does exist and he’s guiding us with his noodly appendage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBfNsPDw1I&feature=related
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not even close, and who are you calling hopeless?>:(
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First comment – woohoo!
The proof is in scripture – the word of the creator – read the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Oh, and also the small matter that we’re all here today, walking around the planet that the FSM created.
What more ‘proof’ do you want???
Ramen.
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Ah, but is there any proof of God?
there may as well be a spaghetti monster for someone to look up to rather than this ‘God’ fellow who, despite being omnipotent and all that, decided to let us humans run amok and kill each other even though he knew we would.
isn’t everything created by him, including pastafarianism?
he obviously isn’t really offended otherwise there would have been a sign from him, if he exists.
although I am not aware of any hard scientific facts about pastafarianism, what facts are there about christianity that could warrant there being a god?
are there any recent ones?
maybe he just went ‘bah, i give up’ and left or vanished out of existence aeons ago.
at least pastafarianism is non-violent and has not involved the deaths of thousands of believers and a man with some groovy ideas being nailed to a cross.
as i recall (well not ‘recall’ per se, but have learnt/heard) christianity had a pretty rocky start too.
“I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)”
that reminded me of christianity.
when you think about it:
maybe jesus was a pretty radical thinker for his day and age (with all the ‘be nice to people, don’t take revenge’ and all that) and HE told others (who were at that time a tiny minority of everyone else, possibly the same ratio as pastafarianism) and they followed.
and now it is one of the most popular religions in the world.
everything starts small.
i am an atheist.
i just like arguing and i like the idea of there being a spaghetti monster and pirates :)
and here’s something to think about. over-active imagination you say? didn’t jesus, in his time, have an overactive imagination? and what if there IS a god? wouldn’t it be inspiration from god, not imagination, that spawned pastafarianism, as it (apparently) spawned christianity.
i’ll let you think about it.
Fae
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Hello Divoneeh,
I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe Christianity is just some silly religion thought up by an overactive imaginative mind of someone (like Peter and Paul) who told others (the other Apostles), and the few that believed him (such as St. Ignatius and the other early Church Fathers) were hopeless in life as it was, to begin looking for someone to lead them (Jesus) and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said (much like Scientology and every other religion ever made up by man).
-Jerry
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Divooneh,
Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Jesus/Jehovah? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe this (Xtianity) is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Sean
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Uh, I have a necklace with a likeness of the FSM and the initials FSM on it. There is also a book, entitled “The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.” And this website. The same proofs as there are for Christianity. Does that help?
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There is no proof… that is the whole point of FSM. There is no proof of the FSM or any other god from any other religion.
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is there any proof for your religion?
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Show me proof of yours and I’ll show you proof of mine.
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You know. I actually converted from Christianity for one reason
These people know how to spell! Seriously, is a spell check that hard?
Oh, and proper grammar, that was a big help in deciding also.
Honestly, your letter was a pain to read. I had to have a bucket handy. Go back to High School or get your mommy to help you and try again.
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one can argue your “Christian” belief is totally illogical. let alone has no proof.
as for any belief.
me myself as a satanist, i just think everyone is entitled to their own thought.
if it be Scientology, to Christianity to Satanism to “The flying spaghetti monster”.
who is to say any of us are right?
i mean there is ZERO proof god, satan, jesus or anything like that exist.
but we believe i suppose in finding a belief that works for our minds.
all im saying.
dont be so quick to judge and try to make your “Religion” so much greater.
the bible (new testament) was written hundreds of years after jesus was dead.
let alone most of it is contradictory.
SO REALLY.
dont be so quick to judge.
-Jeremy
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Divooneh – may I call you “Div” ? or “Divvy” ?
Congratulations, you are applying critical thinking skills sadly lacking in those of your faith.
Here’s an idea, why not apply these impressive skills to your religion and ask yourself where is the evidence? Note that evidence does not consist of an ancient book of fables and legends unless you accept all ancient books as being of equal status. Lots of people believing something doesn’t count as evidence either, lots of people believe in other religions which you will be atheist towards. Some people go one stage further than you and are atheist to one more god.
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Wow, you’re a Christian, and you admit it? Seriously, the proof of FSM is so good that you can taste it, whereas, for Christianity you have to believe some ancient fairy tales with no evidence to support them (much like scientology), and not even tasty morsels to eat. Plus, evidence shows that the Christian fables have just been stolen from prior superstitions, whereas the FSM is original and can be made fresh again at any time; there’s no need even to be reborn.
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like scientology, and islam, and christianity, and ALL RELIGION. Good observation Divooneh
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Ok, I’m back from being sick. And I have one thing to say, you got me. I have no proof whatsoever. So do me a favor will you, my email address is ripcordrider@hotmail.com, please send me, or if you feel like it, post your proof of God on the board. Or just send it to me. Thank you and have a great day.
Bill the Brilliant
P.S
as to the “others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them”
Who does that sound like?
Hmmm,I just remembered! It sounds like someone who would become a Christian. Example needed? Ok, the disciples were fishermen, people with a hard rough life willing to do anything to get out, even follow some nutcase claiming to be the son of god….
I rest my case.
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Divooneh, come on, there as much proof that your god exists as there is that the FSM exists. So now you understand how you and you’re religion looks from the other side. Pretty ridiculous, isn’t it?
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Wait! I found it.
“If intelligent design (ID) is based on science, not faith, then it should fulfill the same criteria as any other scientific theory. One of the most important of these is Occam’s Razor, the principle that the best explanation for a given phenomenon is the one which is simplest, or to put it another way, raises the least new questions. Most ID theories fail the test of Occam’s Razor, because they do not define what entity is doing the designing, or they imply that some sort of god is responsible, which raises the question of whether this god actually exists. However, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism explains clearly who the intelligent designer is, and furthermore, unlike the case for god, there is ample experimental proof that spaghetti does actually exist. I therefore recommend that if ID is to be taught in schools, it should be made clear to students that FSM is by far the most plausible of the many competing ID theories. RAmen.“
– S. Bilson-Thompson, PhD (Australia)
Found in the section of the website labeled PROOF! Wow Imagine that…
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Haha you’re asking for proof of OUR religion…I don’t even think I really need to go on.
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I agree. Can I have some sort of proof?
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Some days it’s like beating my head against a wall, but here we go again. Let’s turn your argument around. Is there any proof of the existence of god or jesus? If you can show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, i am curious to know.
The fact of the matter is that there is no proof for your beliefs either. You have a book, so do we. You have rituals, so do we. All religions are the result of an over active imagination. Ask yourself this: Why do you believe in god but not zeus? Jesus but not Marduk? The virgin mary but not horus. You believe in “the power of prayer”, but not wiccan magic. Why?
If you have any answers, just post them here. I bet everyone would love to see your “proof”
Scott
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Will you please show me proof of your god? FSM made the mountains and the trees and even midgets. Ramen to you good Christian Divooneh.
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I’m sensing an inner conflict. Reflect much?
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it was made up to battle creationism, im so fed up with people who don’t read the letter, we’re a group of people that require poof to sway us, THE WHOLE POINT OF OUR RELIGION is the miss use of “proof” by other religions. And as far as “I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.” what are you on, you believe in a cosmic zombie, born without reproduction, from a poor jewish girl, and a ball of light, and spaghetti and pirates is far-fetched? show me the proof god exists and i will join you’re strange zombie religion, till then don’t come on our website, scan over it, then start bible thumping us. We have as much right to believe in silly things as you do so take a hike.
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Don’t kid yourself. That’s how Christianity started too. Just because it was a long time ago and lots of people wrote a lot of stuff down doesn’t make it true.
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the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said…
( much like CHRISTIANITY)!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Proof? We have the gospel, available through this website. Please learn to spell, and learn some basic syntax. You’re giving me a headache.
RAmen
ET
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The best thing about your post is if you apply it to ANY religion it all makes sense.
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So nothing like christianity then.
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First, I suggest you read the site’s about page (link under the banner) and the links on the bottom of that page. Secondly, and your proof for your belief in xianity is? And don’t say the bible, we mean actual empirical evidence. So apart from the fact that there have been some types of xians for 2000 years or so and FSM has only been around a few years, they actually have about the same level of evidence. Plus, we have strippers, pasta and beer and, at best, you lot have tasteless crackers and bad wine. I know which I choose :)
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We are thankful of your respectfulness, but while I mean as little disrespect as possible, we request that before criticizing our religion, you first look at the flaws of your own.
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Every bit as much proof as there is for the christian god. And we got graphs too.
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Congratulations on the irony of the year award.
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Funny, I think Xianity started the same way. But, there is the Gospel of the FSM and that is all the proof I need.
Ps. Change FSM for “god” and you get what many Xians call proof.
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the Proof for FSM is all around you, you just have to open your heart and accept it. although,
**silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.**
i apply this concept to most religions. religion = faith = no proof needed. Have a good day.
RAmen.
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It’s called faith. We took it from you. It means I can believe whatever I’d like without any need for proof or evidence. It’s awesome … thanks.
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Seriously, was this “hate mail” written to point out the fallacies in Christianity?
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“Divooneh” must mean “comedian” in some other language…
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, And I would like to see your proof of God. Everything in your book seems wrong, so it seems to have been thought up by someone with an active imagination. All Christians are hopeless in life, and just are looking for someone to follow.
Now there’s your final draft, moron.
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hahaha.
This is too obvious.
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“Proof for the FSM?”
- we have a graph and a gospel. What proof do you need? It’s all over the website.
“That is nonsense. There is only one god. That is in the bible”
- sure. but we have a gospel too.
“nana nana naaa I can’t hear youuuuuuuuu!!!”
- Ok. Our proof is unfalsifiable, just like yours. Now what was the point again?
” Laaaalalala laaaaa! Can’t hear youuuuuu!”
etc
etc
etc
OH! DON”T COMPARE US TO SCHMIENTOLOGY!
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pretty much the FSM like all religions are based on faith and blind trust. any religion can stand behind a fancy name or lame one and still work. your last comment could just as well be said to any christian or as to any other religion.
pretty much the question is. how does religion influence you and only you urself? that should be it… any other external influences are just secondary.
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We have an ancient tome named “The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” which accurately depicts the creation of the universe. That should be proof enough for any christian, right?
“Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.” Wait a second, that sounds familiar. Oh, I know, that is every single religion ever dreamt up.
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Wow, sounds exactly like how christianity get spread around.
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Hello, I am a pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe Christianity is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. (much like Judaism)
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Hello Divooneh, I am a Pastafarian, and I would like to know, is there any proof of your God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please. I am curious to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over-active imaginative mind of someone, who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as ti was to begin looking for someone to lead them, adn show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said (much like Scientology)
-Greg
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Silly? How do you mean?
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian(in theory), and I would just like to know, is there any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over-active imaginative mind of someone, who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life and were looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever they were told.
And then they reproduced and used the fear of eternal damnation to convert nonbelievers… A LOT. (much like communist China)
-Pope Pixel I, Wench-Addict
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My poor brain can’t even begin to express the inherent hypocrisy and dire stupidity in this speech.
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Hello Divooneh. We FSMers are a firm believer in Faith, which means we can believe anything we want without and evidence, much like every other religion. So, we do have something in common.
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Curios are for little trinkets and knick-nacks, paddy-wacks, give a dog a bone. I swear I think some of these hate mails are faker then hell but *sigh* there are a bunch of dumb-ass people in this world or rather, should I say, less fortunate people than myself in ways of being well-informed. I wish I could drop my animosity towards religious people but I’m from Kansas brothers (oops, mateys arrr) and I was raised with creationism till I turned 15 and started to question it. It’s taken me half my life to recover from the disenchantment. Ohh well, such is the way of the world.
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So sad… Try the open letter. There’s much more proof of the FSM than there is of Jesus or Yahweh so who’s the one with and overactive imagination? The one’s who follow spaghetti, something very real, or those who follow the Jew zombie?
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Hey Mr. Christian
You are wrong about the claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is made up. He is real. In fact today when I showed up at work there was this instruction on how to use the new computers at our work. And in the manual the initials FSM where written. What else do these initials stand for? It can only be Flying Spaghetti Monster. That was clearly a sign from our maker.
It is not nice of you to compare my religion to Scientology or calling it silly. Lets just be nice to each other. That is what FSM wants from us.
You write that you are Christian.Can you show me some proof that Jesus walked on water, was born of a virgin and rose from the dead? Where is the proof for Christianity? I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
Also, on what page is penicillin and electricity mentioned in the Bible? I forgot that.
RAmen
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“Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)”
…perhaps much like oh I don’t know….CHRISTIANITY?!
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First, don’t compare us to Scientology, we’re not mentally retarded. Obviously you have not seen the graph and the various photos proving His Noodliness’s existence. And trust me, it’s all true. I can say this because I have a white lab coat on, which makes me a scientist with a degree in kicking @$$ (and Pastafarianism).
RAmen Mateys!
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You don’t demand proof of your own religion, so why do you need proof of other religions?
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Ha ha, oh the hypocrisy. Still, I guess we should at least be thankful that he is expressing skepticism. Perhaps he might apply it to his own religion someday.
Whoops, I mean, perhaps he might be touched by his noodly appendage and be converted to the one true faith.
Ramen.
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Arrrg! next time load yer cannon before ye lite the fuse matey!
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
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Is there any proof of your christian god? Show me the proof. I would respond to the rest of your letter, but it doesn’t make any sense.
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I think your description: “just some silly religion thought up by the over-active mind of someone who told others his wierd ideas” sounds like a pretty perfect explanation of the origins of Christianity and Muslimism and most other religions. I also agree with you that “those people who believed his ideas (and those of his followers) were too stupid, incompetent or lazy to look for meaning in their own lives (they were basically looking for someone to lead them and show them “the way”) and so they just followed whatever he (or his followers) said, no matter how bizarre it was.”
I think (reading between the lines of your text) you probably have a pretty good understanding of how religions work, although you have considerable difficulties in expressing yourself clearly! So excuse me if I have paraphrased your text a bit… but, let’s admit, it WAS expounded rather badly!
In fact I’m starting to realise that ugly grammar (such as endless strings of subordinate and relative clauses), terrible spelling, obsessive CAPITALIZATION, non-sequiturs and clumsy, confused or ambiguous expression of over-complicated and undigested ideas is rather typical of religious “believers”!
I suggest that you guys read some real literature, instead of the bible, which is one of the worst written books in world literature. Let’s face it, if you only read that book all the time it’s no wonder most of you sound illiterate and are unable to string 3 simple concepts together in a comprehensible way…
I suggest you start with something simple like “James and the Giant Peach” or “Harry Potter” and move on to Richard Dawkins (his ideas will probably open your eyes and mind a bit too!)
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Sorry, I spelled “weird” wrong!
No-one’s perfect!
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This is just the point. There is no proof that a flying spaghetti monster exists (All Hail) nor will there ever be. You can say that there is a God somewhere that knows everything and controls the destiny of your soul after you expire, and there is no way to prove that he doesn’t exist. But likewise, there is no way to prove that there is no flying spaghetti monster flying around the universe somewhere with similar omnipotent powers. The point is that just because you can’t prove that something doesn’t exist does not lend it any more credibility for being true. I must applaud you for pointing out the obvious rediculousness of the FSM, now if you could only turn that laser-beam around. . . I assume that you ask for proof because you have a syllogism or two offering proof of the existence of your God. Please post them, and we can have a discussion on where the falacies lie, or where they premises are based on misinformation or a misrepresentation of facts. I promise to be civil. . .
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is there (spell better) any proof of Christ as a divine entity? The Bible you say? That sounds like something thought up by the over active imaginative mind of someone. You see where this is going.
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For proof see the evidence section on the homepage.
RAmen
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HOW MANT TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU?!?!? WE HAVE A HANDY GRAPH!! READ THE WEBSITE BEFORE YOU CRITICIZES. AND DON’T BE ONE OF THE IDIOTS WHO WRITES IN ALL CAPS!! ok, i’ll stop now.
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Look…you’re about to be inundated with gobs and gobs of,quite honestly, very legitimate comments about how your description of scientology applies to Christianity just about as well. FSM is a spoof! JEEEZE!! Read the damn open letter.
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“Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM?”
Is there any proof of your so called god, Mr. Christian?
In my opinion all religion is is a set of beliefs to keep us occupied, or to cover up the fears of death or the unknown. If I’m going to follow lies and uncertainties, i may as well follow lies and uncertainties that make me smile with delight
“I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.”
Yes, and the same can be said for almost any religion in existence, but rambling on in my opinions, the creation of a god of any sort is simply a way for the human brain to explain something so vast (such as where we came from, or where we go after death) that it cannot simply comprehend the complexity of it, so instead of admitting its beyond our ability to discover, we say that some divine being did it, eventually someone else walks by with a similar idea, then they start a group of people, then BAM a religion is born. so in more ways than your your precious “Christianity” is no different than these peoples “Pastafanarianism” (great play on words by the way), or a Muslims view on religion, or Buddhism or Judaism or any religion I can bother to explain. The only exception to this is Scientology, it’s based entirely on existing facts or existing paradigms of the scientific world.
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Is there any proof for Christianity? (and the bible doesn’t count, I can write a book saying when we die,our corpses sprout butt-cheek wings and fly us to Neptune, that doesn’t really prove anything)
“I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)”
allow me to rewrite your statement with bits and pieces of YOUR religion:
I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of a guy called Jesus. Who told others, and the 12 who believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said( much like Judaism)
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Oh, wow. Plese, Christian, tell me: is there any proof of YOUR god?
I’m just curious.
I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
With ration and logic,
Wench Sarah
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The purpose of of our religion is precisely that it has no proof. We hope it will cause others to see that their religion also has no proof, and is just as unjustified a belief as ours. To help you see this parallel, what if YOUR argument was against Chi-Rho-(or as non-geeks call it, Christ)ianity rather Pastafarianism?
Hello, I am a Pastafarian , and I would just like to know, is their any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe xianity is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. (much like every other religion)
RAmen
-OrigamiSquared
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Oh yeah… wow you are right on the money there *rolls eyes*. Sure we all need something to believe in and we Pastafarians far too unintelligible as beings to choose anything other than the completely absurd to follow. I am really truly sorry that our religion is beyond you’re comprehension, and the comprehension of so many others out there. It must be because you are all so very ’sane’ that something as ‘crazy’ as our religion must have been concieved by a crackpot… as opposed to… hmmm let me think, your entirely feasible religion.
Oh and just so you know at the top of the webpage just under the FSM banner there are a few links one of which is evidence if you need proof to believe then look no further.
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage and converted.
Ramen
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You are missing the point. Presence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is as provable (or questionable) as the presence of any other God. So, why not have fun with the idea of a supreme being (or just make fun of it)? I would say it is better than killing others in the supreme being’s name for the last 2000 years. (This is of course for the case of Christianity, the timescale is different for other religions.)
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Can you give us any proof of your God? And, no, the Bible doesn’t count. I own a Bible, have read some of it, and it hasn’t really convinced me of much.
>this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like xianity)
Fixed that for you. (And I’m actually serious. If I remember correctly, that second sentence really *was* how xtianity got started.)
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Wow, I’m the first to reply.
Well, trying to be as sensible as possible here, Jesus answered lots of questions with other questions, in the Bible.
So my question is, like many Pastafarians, is there any proof that Jesus Christ existed? I mean, sure the people who taught you about it say there’s proof, but have you ever actually looked up or found any solid proof?
Yes, there is a bible sure, but we have a Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is far more recent, and like an encyclopedia, surely that means it’s more correct.
The great thing about religions is that anything to do with them can be considered entirely true until somebody disproves it, rather than proving it first.
But hey, I have no problem with Christianity, but I don’t think there’s much proof there either. But come on, stripper factories and beer volcanoes? If you read about our religion you will see it is far more positive, and pasta tastes better than Eucharist, you can’t disagree.
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The proof is that all of science tells us otherwise; this proves that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is, in fact, always there tinkering with our results. Where’s your proof for your religion?
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Is this the definition of irony?
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Seriously, belief in that which is illogical is not the pastafarian way. We’re a peace-loving, skeptical religion. We have far better evidence that piracy decline causes global warming than anybody has that Heaven or Hell exist. And besides, this is religion. The burden of disproof is on you. RAmen.
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I am reminded of a story about a pot calling a kettle black…
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Hi Divooneh,
You need to click on the ‘evidence’ button to see the proof.
Ramen
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A great mind once said “yes”. I believe he was referring to the fact that a solution to a problem can be simple, concise and wrong, or it can be silly, improbable, and accurate. As the FSM is considered too improbable and/or silly for you to believe, I must conclude that it’s the only viable solution.
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Arrr yee be scurvy on the barnacles of me keel.
Haven’t yer seen his noodle appendage in the rays of light at sunset?
In the froth or a tankard of ale?
Or in a ’sheet bend’ halyard running knot?
Yer lost to the art of seafaring matey.
Yer mother was cruel to yer, and yer got yerself in a Peregrine Pickle.
Down ta Davey Jones Locker with yee.
Arrr.
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Hello, I am a PASTAFARIAN, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of the CHRISTIAN GOD? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of some ancient tribal person in the middle-east. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
ramen
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There is exactly as much proof of our Flying Spaghetti Monster as there is of your Jesus. It is as much a real religion as your Christianity, and has just as much basis in reason.
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Hello, I am an Atheist, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christ? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
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Just substitute the word ‘Pastafarian’ for ‘Christian’ and ‘Jesus’ for ‘FSM’ and the comments apply equally well.
We both serve invisible, unprovable gods and both are edible, but ours is much tastier. We have imagination and humour and we can generally write decent English, gifts not widely granted to Christians.
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This one’s a joke right?
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CAPS LOCK – off
IRONY LOCK – on
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Damn! Over 170 entries on something posted YESTERDAY? My fellow Pastafarians were all over it.
Well, Divooneh, let me answer you the way the nuns used to answer me:
“It’s a mystery!”
“Spaghetti cooks in strange ways” (a little paraphrasing here)
“Sit down and shut up”
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My fellow Pastafarians! Many of you have insulted Divooneh based on his/her name.
#83 States “The things these xtains name their children…..”
#97 States “Divooneh – may I call you “Div” ? or “Divvy”” (UK terms for a simpleton)
#122 States ““Divooneh” must mean “comedian” in some other language…”
Do we attack people based on their nationality?
Do we insult people for not having Anglo Saxon Names?
Do we insult in ignorance of a name’s true meaning?
Do we need to attack people personally when their arguments are so open to ridicule?
Do we need to flame the flamers and troll the trolls*?
I say no! We are Pastafarians and must rise above this!
A simple search of google will show you Divooneh is Persian (Farsi) and in this case most likely a nickname (not a given name or meaning ‘comedian’). Roughly translated it means weird or crazy and let’s treat them as such.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Divooneh
*Damn it all, we’re pirates, let do it anyway, yarrrr.
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Aaargh….this be as ridiculous as all those exploding cannon balls in that religious travesty “Pirates of the Carribean”. (Is this be where Johnny Depp has ‘is website?) The proof of the FSM be everywhere. Try watching this site for absolute proof…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqg…I be convinced.
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I wanted to post something witty and clever here, but 172 people beat me to it. I think this should go in the archives as one of the top 10 funniest hate mail posts.
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(much like christianity)
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@ House of David #166
Aaahhh, a “Marlin Spike Sailor” reference. I am thouroghly impressed. But can you tie one?
Peace (of garlic/cheese toast)
& sauce be apon you
‘towards thee I role, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hates sake I spit my last breath at thee. – Cpt. Ahab
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…This is a prime example of irony.
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You show us your proof and we’ll show you ours.;)
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” Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Divooneh ”
LOL same as every other religion Divooneh you silly person.
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I saw the image of the Flying Spaghetti Monster on my morning’s toast and in a shit-stain in my Hanes. Consider me blessed. If that ain’t proof to you non-believer Christians, I don’t know what will make you see the error of your ways.
Raaaaaa-MEN.
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Well, for starters: Jews (not even this fatherless zombie guy you christians love) didn’t even eat noodly things back than, while the FSM is actually made of noodles!
Noodlety is proportional to divinity and general awesomness. Feeding 3000 with bread ‘n fish is quite a nice trick; but the FSM could have done it with mac ‘n cheese
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hey. to all of you, just so you know, I’m a Christian and I think it’s logical. You all might make fun of me and think I’m an idiot for believing in God, but whateverr. I do have foundations for my beliefs. I’m not just thinking God’s there because I’m stupid.
I believe God exists because we have a conscience. Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong. It’s like a universal code– strange, if you think about it– why do we all have the same ideas about morality? If you don’t believe in God you believe in Darwinism (period). So if you don’t believe in God, you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do. Also, if you look in nature, all animals act on instinct. Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision. Natural selection can’t explain that either.
Then there’s the beginning of the universe. Either it always existed, or it was set into motion by an event of some sort. Cosmologists have studied the universe and it’s been shown that the universe contracts and expands (it is currently expanding). And therefore, it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it (it’s logical, cause and effect. No event ever has no preceding cause). And what is a logical possible conclusion? A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.
I know a lot of you say organized religion sucks. And I agree with that in a lot of ways. But it’s not God’s fault that greedy, evil people proclaim in “His name” and go around killing people and stealing their money, is it? The reason for this is that all humanity is still feeling the effects of original sin and walking away from God and doing evil things. But God has to let us make choices. He isn’t going to force us to love him. You can accept or reject him. You can accept him, and ask Christ into your life, ask forgiveness from him for your sins, and have a relationship with God (which is what we are all meant for), or you can spend the rest of your life running away from God and mocking him, and see where that leads (you might think nothing happens when you die. but what if you’re wrong? Then you would be in a bad position).
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irony, i like the taste of it.
though we might all just being trolled by this guy…
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It’s amazing how NO religious people(Including the athiests)understand sarcasm.
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what is christianity? a bunch of ignorant morons who believe in people building boats that hold all this worlds animals, people living inside of whales, a virgin birth, a vampyre Christ of whom we may eat his flesh and drink his blood to able to live forever FSM rules
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Christians are so funny. You can use the same argument about Christianity. Duh!
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Oh the irony. Can’t xtains get anything through their thick heads? We tell them the same thing over and over again. I’m so not wasting time explaining it a thousandth time.
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186 – October 3rd, 2008 at – Grapefruit Says:
It’s amazing how NO religious people(Including the athiests)understand sarcasm.
I disagree. I place alot of value in sarcasm.
First of all, I am a Christian. I just discoverd this site. I have no issues with it, and *gasp* found it enlightning. Maybe I am a thick skulled moron, who knows. I do know there are alot of Christians out their who give the rest of us a bad rap and make us look like a bunch of ignorant assholes. (no I don’t belive I am going to hell for that.)
I belive those people have never actually picked up a bible or they forgot the the point of Christianity is Tolorannce and forgivess.
I am all for learning about your Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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BLASPHEMER!!
How are you doubt the existence of His Noodliness! Haven’t you seen the pictures? The testimony? Of course the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists.
All Praise The ALL-MIGHTY Flying Spaghetti Monster!
Ramen.
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“I believe God exists because we have a conscience. Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong. It’s like a universal code– strange, if you think about it– why do we all have the same ideas about morality?”
Right, so you have the same ideas about morality as a paedophile do you? How about murderers and rapists? Dictators and cult leaders know the difference between right and wrong do they?
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of God? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe christianity is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
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is there any proof of god?
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i suggest you read “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins. its quite an amazing book.
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Ellen, as quaint as your post is, why Christianity?
If you believe we have a conscience so therefore there is a God why does it have to be your God?
Why don’t you let Buddha into your life? After all, your mate Jesus must have as he stole a lot of his ideas from Buddha.
And we know the universe and everything in it was created by a Divine Being, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
It’s the arrogance of Christians in the way they won’t even consider that other, far older, religions than theirs may have a claim on creation that pisses me off.
Christianity is no more than a mish mash of other, older religions. A rip off. They should be sued for plagarism.
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to Ellen :)
“Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong. It’s like a universal code– ”
Do you think it’s right to stone someone to death because your dress shows 3 inches of skin above your ankle?
Do you think it’s right to stone someone to death because you hold hands in the street with your brother or your father or your boyfriend or your husband?
In some parts of the world people think it’s more than right, it is god willing.
Do you think its right to poke a bull with spears in an arena bleeding it almost to death in front of thousands of bloodthirsty people? In my country some people think it’s right.
Do you think its right to poke a bull with spears in an arena bleeding it almost to death in front of thousands of bloodthirsty people and then kill it with a sword? In the country next to mine many more people think it’s right.
Were is your god defending bulls wrights? Didn’t he created all living creatures? why does he allow people to hurt bulls like this? Maybe you don’t think a bull as the wright to live a dignifying life. Does a dead bull soul go to heaven?
“Also, if you look in nature, all animals act on instinct. Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision.”
I am not a rock. I am not a vegetable. I don’t act on instinct all the times but I am an animal, mammal, human (aspiring to be as divine as a pirate). Also my dog is able to do a conscious decision, eg. I ask her are you coming for a walk or staying home? And my dog either comes for a walk or stays home, as she wills. (I know “its a dog not a person therefore you should have used it all the times”, my dog is my second sister therefore is a person and a bitch).
“Then there’s the beginning of the universe(…)”
It was FSM’s doing. He created all. Scientists never could provide any good explanation on anything. Ever seen a tectonic plate moving over or under another? It’s FSM touching our flat planet that makes earthquakes.
“I know a lot of you say organized religion sucks.”
Organized religion doesn’t just suck it drains people. Their brains, their money, their life. “The reason for this is that all humanity is still feeling the effects of original sin and walking away from God and doing evil things” I thought your god, god’s son had taken care of that original sin thing. Didn’t “He died on the cross to save us all and forgive all humanity for the sins we committed”… no? I might be confusing things.
“But God has to let us make choices. He isn’t going to force us to love him.” He might punish you for not loving him, but he’s not going to force it. I know of some people that are like that. They don’t force the one’s they love to love them back however they might beat them and then kill them if they don’t. Some also do the beating no matter what. And every Sunday morning there they are in their church praying with their battered spouses that fallen out the stairs or dropped the car engine on their heads.
“(you might think nothing happens when you die. but what if you’re wrong? Then you would be in a bad position).” When I die things will happen. People all around the world will keep living their lives doing whatever is that they do everyday. But you meant to my soul. Being a pastafarian I will go to pastafarian heaven to drink beer and watch striptease. Or if I’m wrong and there is no pastafarian heaven. There is only your christian heaven then I will be judged and choose not to go to your heaven. Why you might ask. Because you might be a pastafarian all your life, living a good life, doing good to others, not harming a soul and then comes along someone that carves a knife in your heart you die and go to hell for not believing the right god. the man that killed you on the other hand right before he dies he repents in front of a priest for all he’s done wrong in his life then he’s rewarded with your christian heaven. I would rather not to spend my afterlife with someone that prevented me of enjoying more time in my life with my friends and family. I might be tempted to kill his soul if I saw it in the afterlife. However you are the one in trouble for not believing in FSM for that you shall spend your afterlife drinking flat beer and watching ugly stripers while being taunted by pirates.
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When Christianity was in charge of things, they called it ‘the Dark Ages’ and if not for that technological setback we would be colonizing space by now.
Granted, that’s still not as good as if FSM had been in charge. Then we’d be conquering the galaxy in huge space pirate ships by now.
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It cracks me up how 99% of Christians are motivated by little more than fear of death.
“”(you might think nothing happens when you die. but what if you’re wrong? Then you would be in a bad position).”"
I’d give your God ‘the finger’ for allowing child molesters and rapists.
Anyone, ANYONE, who’d allow millions upon millions to suffer and die simply to PROVE A POINT, in my opinion, is worthless.
Certainly not deserving of worship.
If I believed in your god, I’d likely be a bitter asshole.
Good thing the FSM is around!!
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Well.. First of, ever since Rock ‘n’ Rolls birth it was blasphemy against god, now metal is, and now FSM.. that’s just rediculous. And at that timeline of christ’s birth, many would connect the most stuff with miracles, or devine intervention, ’cause at that time, the people had less logical knowledge then we have now. And now, homosexuality is a blasphemy against God, and what I can tell about the most christians finding everything as Blasphemy is nothing more then a bunch full of whiners.. thanks and
Raaa-Men!
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You make fun of FSM for being silly and pointless, but FSM is no different than any other religion. You believe in some greater being that in no way can be proven to be in existence. Whats the difference between God and the Flying Spaghetty Monster. You might say, well God isn’t made of pasta. But how would you know? Have you seen him? If you have, then why didn’t you ask him to take a picture?
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That’s how Catholicism started, hon.
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“hey. to all of you, just so you know, I’m a Christian and I think it’s logical. You all might make fun of me and think I’m an idiot for believing in God, but whateverr. I do have foundations for my beliefs. I’m not just thinking God’s there because I’m stupid.
I believe God exists because we have a conscience. Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong. It’s like a universal code– strange, if you think about it– why do we all have the same ideas about morality? If you don’t believe in God you believe in Darwinism (period). So if you don’t believe in God, you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do. Also, if you look in nature, all animals act on instinct. Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision. Natural selection can’t explain that either.
Then there’s the beginning of the universe. Either it always existed, or it was set into motion by an event of some sort. Cosmologists have studied the universe and it’s been shown that the universe contracts and expands (it is currently expanding). And therefore, it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it (it’s logical, cause and effect. No event ever has no preceding cause). And what is a logical possible conclusion? A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.
I know a lot of you say organized religion sucks. And I agree with that in a lot of ways. But it’s not God’s fault that greedy, evil people proclaim in “His name” and go around killing people and stealing their money, is it? The reason for this is that all humanity is still feeling the effects of original sin and walking away from God and doing evil things. But God has to let us make choices. He isn’t going to force us to love him. You can accept or reject him. You can accept him, and ask Christ into your life, ask forgiveness from him for your sins, and have a relationship with God (which is what we are all meant for), or you can spend the rest of your life running away from God and mocking him, and see where that leads (you might think nothing happens when you die. but what if you’re wrong? Then you would be in a bad position).”
Ellen:
First, there is no such thing as Darwinism. It really makes me angry when people say Darwinism.
Second, if you don’t believe in God it does not mean that you have to believe in the works of Charles Darwin. That’s just ridiculous. You could believe in a different god, or that we were created by a race of superaliens, or any number of crazy things. Don’t be ignorant.
Third, we do not all have the same sense of morals. There is not a set moral code. For example, I have nothing against abortions and am strongly pro-choice. You are most likely anti-choice, and are probably outraged by the fact that anyone could support abortions (which isn’t really what pro-choice means but that’s another comment). That is only one of many, many examples. It means that there is no set moral code and that we develop our own by the way we are raised.
Fourth, saying that humans are the only animals on Earth that can make a conscious decision is a falsehood, plain and simple. Many animals can decide for themselves as well as rely on their instincts. In many cases in the wild, relying on instincts is just the more logical choice for survival.
Fifth, I do not claim to know anything about the origins of the universe. However, saying “God” and “logical” in the same sentence is ridiculous unless “is not” is between them, okay? There are many theories that are actually logical, though they may not seem so to you because you are blinded by your God Delusion.
Sixth, stop trying to convert people. The purpose of this website is to make fun of organized religion. We do not care about the greatness of your invisible sky man or your cosmic Jewish zombie that’s his own father. So yeah.
Praise FSM.
RAmen.
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hey, how can i join this religion? I want to be a pastafarian,too. It´s a great idea. I hate the Christianity!!! Ohh, will the pope spank me know??
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Ellen, dear. I’m not going to say that you are stupid for believing in something… that’s your business, not mine. Belief is ok, it’s when people try to use religion to rape science or suppress ideas (or kill/torture/oppress people) that I get a bit testy.
“you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do”
Is it? The brighther ones (apes/early humans) found more efficient ways to survive and thereby got to mate and pass on their genes to their offspring… repeat this for as bit and you end up with fairly bright people running about and that intellect enables us to make conscious decisions and (for most of us) engage in rational thought.
As for conscience, well… a byproduct of our intellect. Besides, we don’t all share the same idea of what is right or wrong or what is “moral”. (For example; the people who thought it was ok to break my ribs for being a “fucking homo” found that perfectly right and moral whereas I think that was a pretty horrid, not to mention wrong, thing to do. Ahem… but no reason to get personal. What I’m trying to say is that the idea of right and wrong is clearly neither “built in” nor universal.)
Sorry for being a tad simplistic here… but it’s late and I’m a little drunk.
Oh… and I’m not entirely sure why I should ask “Jesus” for forgiveness? When I fuck up I apologize to the people affected by it… Besides what is a “sin” anyway?
Well… onwards to late-night snacktime. I’ll get going before I’m arrested for TUI (Typing Under the Influence).
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@Ellen, thanks for having the courage to actually discuss your beliefs without resorting to the abuse we so often receive from christians.
It’s pointless to try and make you see how flawed your beliefs are because I think you would keep believing the jesus fairy tale no matter what.
I agree with you about the universe – that we don’t yet understand the beginning or how, if it is expanding, then expanding into what??
All great questions to keep us staring into space and wondering but to give up and say ‘well we can’t come up with a logical explanation so it must have been a super duper being which we’ll call god’ is to me such a defeatist, lazy explanation of anything.
As for beleiving that you have the moral upper ground because you are too conceited to research the lies you’ve been brainwashed into taking for granted, well I think you that makes you very naive to say the least.
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I am currently reading an interesting book entitled “The Corruption of Reality: A Unified Theory of Religion, Hypnonis, and Psychopathology” by John Shumaker. The book explains many of the phenomena we encouter in the hate mailings of these redneck idiots.
Basically, Schumaker contends that somewhere in our evolution as our brains became larger and more conplex, hominids came to realize that life was nasty, brutish and short (an observation of Thomas Hobbes some 300 years ago), and as a consequence it created psychological states which inhibited the survival and replication capability of our early ancestors–in short, in becoming conscious of their own mortality, our ancestors became too smart for their own good. As a result, the homininid mind evolved further so it could in effect create two or more tracks of belief, including beliefs which at some level do not conform to reality, but which the organism might nonetheless find useful for survial and replication–eg the ability to believe the bullshit that is religion.
We can see the manifestation of this multi-cameral consciousness in any number of ways. For example, western culture has learned to induce processes such as hypnois which bypass the critical, rational, reality sensing faculty and install beliefs in an individual. The example Schumaker gives is a man can be hypnotized into believing that in a room filled with 10 chairs that his wife is simultaneously sitting in each and every chair at the same time. But, at the same time if the man is told it’s time to go home and his wife is driving, if the real wife is in the room, he will walk right up to her and say “Let’s go, honey.”
Religion, he contends works the same way. We harbor silly beliefs such as having guardian angels who are there to protect us from physical harm, yet we don’t walk in front of speeding traffic.
He then goes on to point out that religion is in fact very similar to hypnosis. Use of things like chants, littanies, prayers sung aloud in front of a congregation of believers are a form of group hypnonis, amd the hypnotic induction is strengthened every Sunday at serives.
ONe of the unfortunate side effects of this is having such abilities opens the brain to phychopatholigies, which, he contends are really nothing more than delusions not shared in common with other members of society(which of course is what religious beliefs are).
So there you have it, religion is a form of hypnosis which is the side effect of an evolutionary adaptation designed to allow humans to function survive and replicate in the face of the sure and certain knowledge that they and everyone they know will oneday die.
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Excuse me, but being a former Catholic (then atheist(following Pastafareanierism)) but, Christianity is just as silly to me as The FSM is to you. Anyways, Where’s the proof of your god? I’d like to know. I hate how you people are always going on and on about how good and holy you are with your Bible. A favourite of mine is Abstenant Christians saying how we must repent our sins, and not have sexual intercoarse before marriage…but what about your Virgin Mary? She was only about 14 in reality…when she was prego, if that’s okay, then why can’t others do so?
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believe God exists because we have a conscience.
Ok , till now its maybe possible ….
Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong.
UHHHHHH no …. Actually right and wrong is a society decision over what we can do and canot do to live happy in society . Shakespear said : There’s no morality , only thinking made it so . That actually means that we created morality and morality isn’t the same for everyone , for someone stealing is absolutely out of the question and there’s for exemple gouvernements that made their job about liying and stealing people …see the idea ?
why do we all have the same ideas about morality?
Again like I said earlier , morality is different for everyone , we may use the same basis , but it is not fondamental rules that everyone one follows blindly , like theire religious believes for exemple .
Also, if you look in nature, all animals act on instinct. Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision.
UHHHHHHHHH again . There’s proofs that monkeys can lie . When they do it is in a humoristic way , they lie because they are joking …. so when you are liying you can tell to someone you made them a monkey joke to pass the message easier …. there’s proofs that dalphins are just as bright as a young child , the only real difference between humans and the rest of the animal world is : we have an advance language and we have a better sence of adaptation , we can adapt ourselves really fast to almost every situations , the animals need to create physic adaptation of their environements over generations to adapat to situations .
Then there’s the beginning of the universe. Cosmologists have studied the universe and it’s been shown that the universe contracts and expands (it is currently expanding). And therefore, it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it (it’s logical, cause and effect. No event ever has no preceding cause). And what is a logical possible conclusion? A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.
UHHHHHHHHHHH again and again ….
Like I wrote in the prof’s comment in page 2 or 3 now …. the idea of the big bang as the creation of the universe is the most plausible idea . The thesis is : there was just one atome , this atome exploded and the explosion is the big bang . The explosion made by the atome is expanding to its maximum before retracting to the orignial source , the first atome . After few billions and billions of years the implosion will recreated the first atome and wipe the complete universe . Then that atome will reblow and an other universe will be created . If we follow this idea , we can think we are maybe the 10th or 10000000th generation of universe …. is god loving us so much that he wiped the 1000000th other universe just to create us and wipe us again ?
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> Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is
> their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the
> proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios
> to know.
Have you never heard of FAITH you christian heathen!!
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the bible is not proof of religious shit…some hobo got bored and wrote a fucking book. yea big whoop, i can write a book too
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Reply to neal post #207 – October 4th… wow… that book sounds fascinating… but I’m not sure how the schizophrenic mind division “inhibited the survival and replication capability of our early ancestors”… does the author think it’s a sort of “suicidal meme” with the benefit of killing off those of our ancestors who were too aware of their mortality? At the end of your mail you seem to contradict that idea by saying it is “an evolutionary adaptation designed to allow humans to survive in the face of the certain knowledge that they and everyone they know will die one day”
This idea of the dual nature of our psychology, divided between perception of reality and beliefs which do not conform to reality is something I’ve already noticed (I mention it in my post #2472 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”) where I said:
“In fact religious belief is almost schizophrenic because many people say they believe something which we all know is absurd, like Christ turned water into wine or his mum was a virgin, but deep down in the pre-conscious mind they know it’s absurd so if they met someone who claimed to turn water into wine or said his mum was a virgin, they certainly wouldn’t believe him, and they would think he was mad… even if he really did turn water into wine or his mum really was a virgin! So they make a schizophrenic division between their daily lives and what they CLAIM to believe, usually in order to be accepted in the community of other believers. So religious belief exists in this isolated absurd dimension where there is a suspension of reality and rationality.”
(excuse the self quotation, but it saves you the trouble of opening the link.. unless you want to read some more of my mental ramblings!)
I had never thought of this “multi-cameral consciousness” as an evolutionary advantage… I thought it was just a wilful form of blindness to the truth of death and the fruit of a desperate childish desire for stability and certainty… anyway I’ll hopefully get my hands on “The Corruption of Reality: A Unified Theory of Religion, Hypnosis, and Psychopathology” by John Shumaker and find out how schizophrenic mind division helped our ancestors!
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Reply to german atheist post#2204 – October 4th
how can you join this religion? just eat pasta! wir sind die pasta-fressern! Der Fliegender Spaghetti Ungeheuer bleibt mit uns!
will the pope spank you now?? I’m sure he would like to! (das würde ihm sicherlich gefallen!)
Please correct my crappy Kauderwelschdeutsch… I love your strong teutonic language, but I never get those fucking articles and adjective declensions right!
PS ich gruße mein freund Fliegener Nudeln!
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Reply to Ni post #205)
It’s true that Ellen (I couldn’t find her Post!) is being simplistic by saying “you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do”
and KatieBug (post #203) adds “I believe God exists because we have a conscience. Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong.”
We need a bit of cultural relativity here!
Your explanation is very clear: The brighter early humans found more efficient ways to survive and thereby got to mate and pass on their genes to their offspring…
Of course collaboration and mutual respect is a good survival strategy (Dawkins describes that perfectly in “the selfish Gene” with a computerised mathematical analysis as proof!) and this explains the origins of “morality”
I have just posted some reflections on morality (in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter” shortly after post #2472) in which I talk about the relationship between morality, epistemology, metaphysics and ontology (or knowledge and how we get it) and how they can lead to humorism
I’m gonna post something more about morality in that section of this site, probably tomorrow!
Basically I think that you can’t have a true morality without any knowledge or idea of reality… otherwise you can’t apply morality to anything real. Since the morality of most religious belief systems is based on a distorted perception of reality and a partial or limited idea of the truth that explains why believers have often done such horrible things in the name of their own twisted morality, such as burning people alive, stoning them to death, forcing them to follow silly rules and regulations and generally repressing the free manifestations of the spirit and the intellect whenever they might seem to contradict the rigid canons and rules of the dominant authority’s belief systems and religions.
In my post #2469) I talk about the enlightening moral effects of science: “… if the west still believed exclusively in Christianity we would probably still be subject to periodic plague epidemics and would be persecuting or burning homosexuals and handicapped people and everyone with original ideas… in fact many Christians are still trying to persecute those with original ideas… (the persecution of original ideas has been a constant feature of Christianity ever since its institutionalisation under the Emperor Constantine)”
Anyway I’m sorry to hear that you had your own brush with intolerance and fanaticism by the modern-day troglodytes who thought it was ok to break your ribs for being a “fucking homo”… may the FSM smite them down and consign them to everlasting sexual frustration (I think they probably suffer form that already tho’ which is why they can’t accept alternative forms of sexuality!)
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@Katiebug, you stated the purpose of this site is to ridicule religion. While that’s fun, I disagree. It’s to stop the ridiculous attempt of the Crationists to pass off their absurd beliefs as science in schools.
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@tris (#214)
Mein guten Freund Tris,
Es argert mich das ich auch nicht gut Deutsch aufschreibt. But I’m sure that you figured that out when I failed to make “funnel cake” a compound word, “Trichterkuchen,” nicht wahr?
The posts regarding the separation of religious belief and secular science suggest that the human brain is able to construct “logic-tight compartments” with the flow of communication blocked between them. As suggested, hypnosis is one way to block flow, but I think we also tend to construct barriers to enclose things that are unpleasant or that conflict with our needs. This, I think, is true of subjects other than religion. Another word for these barriers is “denial.” We fool ourselves sometimes without an external hypnotist.
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The Pastafarian Church is a lovely mirror for any and all detractors, and such detractors would be very wise indeed to realize this before opening their mouths to speak. Anything they say against His Noodly Goodness can be turned immediately around upon them with exactly a zero percent chance of error.
I just purchased an FSM for my car. Can’t wait until the ship is done!
RAmen
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Reply to XIII (post #209) who is evidently replying to a certain Ellen (also quoted by KatieBug… but which post number is this mysterious Ellen? I can’t find it and I wish people would specify who or what they are replying to… at first I thought KatieBug was a fanatic… then I realised she was quoting one!):
Anyway you (XIII) pointed out that as well as her illogical leaping to conclusions “I believe God exists because we have a conscience” (see my previous post) she also gets it wrong when she says “Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision.”…
Why oh why do Christians have such an elevated sense of their own importance and that of their own species? It must be something to do with having an anthropomorphic god: their thoughts become even more anthropocentric than usual! Schopenhauer wrote about this, I believe… If we still believed in the Egyptian animal-gods, rather than following the Christian, capitalist and colonialist ethos, we probably wouldn’t have fucked up the whole planet with pollution and we wouldn’t have eliminated entire species or destroyed rain forests
You also put her right when she mistakenly says: “it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it… A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.” (!)
I agree that of course the big bang and “big crunch” model contains an explanation for the origin of OUR PRESENT UNIVERSE, but we still don’t know what (if anything caused the FIRST universe!… but really… who gives a fuck?! It’s just as likely to have been a spaghetti monster as an old guy with a beard… or maybe there never even was a first universe… the whole thing never even began… so nothing actually caused it or set it all off… As Einstein points out it makes no sense to talk about previous time when there was no space! Time depends on space and vice-versa! It therefore makes no sense to talk about anything “before” or “outside” time or space (and Einstein believed in God!). Let’s accept that our knowledge has a limit and not invent weird and wacky explanations to fill in the gaps… there are so many real things we could be thinking about and doing!
So that’s enough chit chat for now!
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Lieber Fliegenden Nudeln (#216)
Actually I figured it out (your non-teutonicity!) because you were too polite (saying Euer instead of Dein or Sein!) and then you don’t use enough umlauts! Anyway nobody’s perfect and I wanted to thank you for teaching me the word “Trichter”!
However I don’t quite agree with what you say about the separation of religious belief and secular science being a sort of block or “denial”.
I think they truly are separate ways of thinking (see my post #2469 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”):
“… there is a fundamental distinction between Christianity and science. The first is based on a set of ancient texts, traditions and mostly obsolete belief systems, which have continued in a modified or deformed way until the present day, while the second is based on rational observation and logical analysis of our observable world. (………….)
Trying to replace the (…) modern scientific and rational forms of thought with such ancient non-scientific belief systems and superstitions is (…) arrogant and dangerous and could lead the world into another “dark age” of ignorance, intolerance and conflict.”
Of course, in order to analyse things and understand them we have to separate them… that’s what logical scientific thought is all about! Otherwise everything would be total confusion and non-distinction. Of course scientific thought has its limits and the mystical attitude of contemplation goes beyond it… but we all know that mystic states of consciousness are incommunicable… otherwise we would all be Buddhas and all this science versus religion debate wouldn’t even exist! No debate of any kind would exist… we’d all be sitting on out mountaintops contemplating the wonder of cosmic unity!
It’s true that we “tend to construct barriers” to avoid dealing with difficult problems… but sometimes distinctions are necessary in our daily lives! Nicht wahr, mein Freund?!
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P.S. Fliegenden Nudeln… I think you meant “Mein guter Freund”! (Ich weiß… Es ist sehr schwierig auf Deutsch sich gut aus zu drücken!)
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@tris
Es heißt DAS fleigende Spaghettimonster:D…and yes i´ll eat a lot of pasta (Ich werde viel Pasta essen)
PS Gruß zurück
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I used to be Christian and I had absolutely no problem with this. In fact, I converted! I hate that people can be so close-minded, but some of their hate mail is pretty funny.
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Any proof towards God? God is just something people made up because they don’t know how things work. Fire? Magic man dun it. Life? Magic man dun it. earth? Magic man dun it. Now we HAVE the answers. ” Magic man says we should kill those who don’t believe in our magic man! 10 years later: MILLIONS of dead people.
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hello, i am a pastafarian, and i would like to know, is there any proof of god? if so, can you please show us the proof or explain it to me over the web please, i am curious to know.
i think we are all curious.
please, do tell.
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“As for conscience, well… a byproduct of our intellect. Besides, we don’t all share the same idea of what is right or wrong or what is “moral”. (For example; the people who thought it was ok to break my ribs for being a “fucking homo” found that perfectly right and moral whereas I think that was a pretty horrid, not to mention wrong, thing to do. Ahem… but no reason to get personal. What I’m trying to say is that the idea of right and wrong is clearly neither “built in” nor universal.)”
Some people call themselves “christians’ and still do what’s wrong. They may say they think it’s right, but deep down they DO know it’s wrong… I’m sorry they did that… They’re not real Christians, I’m sorry they gave you the wrong idea. The idea of Christianity is to become more like Christ, and that’s something Jesus never would have done… All the people that society and the religious leaders hated and spit on, were the ones he showed love… Did you know Jesus hung out with “sinners, tax collectors, and prostitutes”? So he could show them love and show them himself. Real Christians are not supposed to beat up people they consider to be “sinners” because they believe something different. Real Christians show people love so they can act like Christ to a person that doesn’t know Christ, so that person can come to know Jesus too. Real Christians know that they themselves are sinners too, and they shouldn’t judge other people, because the only reason we are Christians is because Jesus made us clean of sin with his blood, and it’s not our place to judge. Personally, I believe that homesexuality is not how God intended human sexuality to be, but I still love some one if they’re gay. My cousin and my aunt are both gay and I love them both a lot because they’re really awesome.
I still think we all have a universal idea about right and wrong, we just CHOOSE to deny it, say it isn’t there, or go against it anyway. We’re all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. And we all need his grace.
“Oh… and I’m not entirely sure why I should ask “Jesus” for forgiveness? When I fuck up I apologize to the people affected by it… Besides what is a “sin” anyway?”
A sin is defined as doing something morally wrong. God created right and wrong, and when we sin, we turn away from that, turn away from God’s way, and decide we can do it our own way, that we don’t need God. Like Adam and Eve (I know you guys are going to rip me apart for believing in Adam and Eve but whatever), how God told them not to eat from that one tree, but they did it anyway because they thought they knew better. And they didn’t know better. Eating from the tree and disobeying God (another definition of sin: disobeying God) separated them from him and now they had to go through death and sickness and everything, and their sin defiled the rest of humanity with original sin. Sin is a combination of selfishness and pride. And disobeying God, often hurting another person in the process. So the reason you need to apologize to God is because not only did you hurt another person by sinning, but you disobeyed his rules and spit in his face. You ask Jesus for forgiveness because you need to be cleansed from sin and asking him for forgiveness is the only way to do that. And if you don’t, you won’t have salvation. So you should do it!
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“Second, if you don’t believe in God it does not mean that you have to believe in the works of Charles Darwin. That’s just ridiculous. You could believe in a different god, or that we were created by a race of superaliens, or any number of crazy things. Don’t be ignorant.”
I’m not saying that people that don’t believe in the god I believe in believe in atheism. I’m saying that if you don’t believe in A god (the stuff I said about God creating the universe could be applied to any god!) then you believe in Atheism. Because the root of the word atheism: a(meaning not, against, or whatever)+theism, meaning not believing in a god. argh.
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“First, there is no such thing as Darwinism. It really makes me angry when people say Darwinism.”
Look, I made a mistake with one word ok. I don’t pretend to be an expert on the English language or everything in science, I’m just saying why I believe something. Is it really a big deal if I make a mistake with one word? Does it mean I’m ignorant and a complete idiot if I make a mistake with one word? You really don’t know me well enough to call me ignorant.
Fifth, I do not claim to know anything about the origins of the universe. However, saying “God” and “logical” in the same sentence is ridiculous unless “is not” is between them, okay? There are many theories that are actually logical, though they may not seem so to you because you are blinded by your God Delusion.”
You may think my God thing is a Delusion, but I don’t. That just means our beliefs are different. Don’t call me deluded just because I believe in God, and I won’t call you deluded for whatever you believe in. And have you explored the possibility of God? If you haven’t, I could say you are deluded and ignorant for that, too, because you haven’t explored it enough to know it’s real, and I could say that your “Evolution Delusion” or whatever it is you believe in, is clouding you from even looking at ideas about a God, or creationism, or whatever.
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“The purpose of this website is to make fun of organized religion. We do not care about the greatness of your invisible sky man or your cosmic Jewish zombie that’s his own father. So yeah.”
That’s not fair. You could take ANY spiritual belief (ie, believing in evolution, etc) and skew it to make it sound idiotic. You’re just trying to make me sound stupid. IF i knew what your beliefs are, I could say something similar and make you sound stupid too. Please don’t hate on me because my beliefs are different than yours, and I won’t hate on you, k? I just want to share my beliefs because they are important to me, and I want to explain why I believe what I believe, because some people think all theists are idiots… I want to back up my beliefs, because I hate to see people call my beliefs a fairy tale with no foundation.
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The proof of our noodly master is all over this website and youtube. none of us here are fools, so do not compare us to $cientology.
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@ellen:) and some others: FWIW, I think that your tolerant tone does you credit, truly. One point, however, that will have to bear repetition until Christians (amongst other offenders blessed with faith) GET IT is: believing in evolution is *not* a faith or a spiritual belief. It’s *not*. It’s an intellectual position that includes the possibility of being “wrong” and the means for improving one’s understanding – i.e., being much less “wrong”. Engineers don’t pray for a machine to work, they calculate and experiment, and if the machine crashes, they work to find out why. That view has been won at terrible cost, believe it or not, and it is worth preserving against the attacks of anybody who imagines that their “faith” makes them always “right”.
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“You may think my God thing is a Delusion, but I don’t. That just means our beliefs are different. Don’t call me deluded just because I believe in God, and I won’t call you deluded for whatever you believe in. And have you explored the possibility of God? If you haven’t, I could say you are deluded and ignorant for that, too, because you haven’t explored it enough to know it’s real, and I could say that your “Evolution Delusion” or whatever it is you believe in, is clouding you from even looking at ideas about a God, or creationism, or whatever.”
I was raised staunchly Episcopalian and attended church most Sundays for the first ten years of my life. I didn’t hold much stock in God even as a young child and summed up my beliefs as “I believe in God, and that’s where it ends”. The more I thought about it as I got older, the more I realized that I didn’t believe in God and that I was just parroting what I’d been fed since birth. I thought I was a bad person, so I started reading the bible. As I read I realized exactly how ridiculous all of it was. So yes, I “explored the possibility of God” and found at a young age through my own means that I thought that God was and is ridiculous.
You could take ANY spiritual belief (ie, believing in evolution, etc) and skew it to make it sound idiotic.
The problem with this is that evolution is not a spiritual belief. It is a scientific theory with testable proof that shows the same results every time and has more evidence than the theory of gravity. Sure, you could probably make it sound ridiculous, but that doesn’t take away that it is based in fact. Yes, you could make ANY spiritual belief sound idiotic, and all religions frequently DO make other religions sound ridiculous to strengthen the appearance of their own faiths. If you had been born in the Middle East, there is a 99.9% certainty that you would be Islamic, and yet you probably think that Islam is a ridiculous religion. Religions are what you are raised to believe, and unless you have spent a significant of time studying and living every religion, it is completely fair to call you ignorant. I’ll admit that I’m ignorant in most religions, but I’m not claiming that my god is better than anyone else’s, I’m claiming that I don’t see logic in any of their gods and that evolution makes complete sense to me.
And I’m honestly not trying to “hate on you”. Sometimes I just get too passionate and come off as a complete bitch, but it’s not intentional. It’s just that everything about this website makes it completely clear that we don’t want to hear your defenses for your religion..
Sorry if I offended you.
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TheFewTheProudTheMarinara, Post 215:
Hah, you’re right. I guess the two are just sort of synonymous in my mind :] Thanks for the catch, though.
Ellen’s original post is number 184.
Tris, post 214:
I didn’t say that… I think you may have gotten from my quote from Ellen, which was the first part of my post. But I didn’t say that.
Ellen :), Post 227:
The problem wasn’t with the word Darwinism or with your specific use of it. It simply makes me angry that people think that there is some sort of faith based organization of “Darwinists”, and there isn’t. It wasn’t specifically about you, it’s just one of my big pet peeves. Again, sorry if I offended.
Ellen :), Post 226:
To clarify, what you originally said was that people that don’t believe in a god are “Darwinists” which does not imply Atheists. Also, there are things other than Atheists that don’t believe in a god. Atheists are just the common ones. Actually, Agnostics are probably more common, but I’m not if they count because they “don’t know”. Buddhists don’t have a god, they have a teacher. I’m just saying that you were making a very broad and very incorrect generalization about something you probably don’t know as much about as you think.
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#206 Noodlenut
A lot of people don’t understand what the infinite universe is expanding into. It’s a problem because language created in our day to day lives isn’t really up to the task, “Expanding” isn’t the right word for describign an infinite universe involving more than 3 dimentions. Stretching is better but still inadequate. Take a look at http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274 for a much more in depth discussion.
Ellen – thank you for putting your views clearly and politely. Morallity isn’t fixed – the need for living in communities is. To keep communities together we create moral codes and laws to structure them. Laws and moral codes do change from community to community. In lower animals such as wolves, similar communities exist; wolf packs have their own laws (imposed by the pack leader).
Everything inside the universe needed to have a beginning because time exists inside the universe. Time is part of the universe and does not exist outside of it. The question of what was before the universe is pointless as there was no time for ‘before’ to relate to. This is of course a lot of theory, not all of which has been proved but it does have a solid foundation in scientific observation and mathematics. There is no evidence to say what caused the universe; unfortunatley it’s common for religions to assume that if no explaination for something exists, their God is the answer. That’s just silly and causes problems because if an answer is found later Religious groups resists these new ideas as balsphamy; the motion of the planets is an old example of this (religion lost), evolution theory is a current example.
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Ye know it’d be kinda funny if Jesus (the one that came back to life) turned out to be a sadistic time travellin actor from the future. Not sure if it would work but the idea makes me laugh
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This shit is just too fuuny! It really shows you the “mind” of a christian when you read this hate mail. How could anyone other than a “believer” see this website and not know it’s a spoof on the nonsense of religion? This is just more proof of how gullible and stupid these people are and why they bought into religion in the first place. Only someone with this type of “mind” would not know this website is making fun of them, lol.
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Reply to german atheist Post#221
Oh my monster! So it’s DAS fliegende Spaghettimonster?? (you wrote fliegende wrong… it seems even Germans find their language hard!) So that means His tentacles aren’t prehensile penises??
He’s neuter? So I should be saying “ITS tentacles” and “IT’S neuter”?
Oh well, I can get on OK with that! (see my post #2430 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”): “what makes you sure that He (the FSM) is not a She or an it?? Is his “noodly appendage” a giant (albeit very thin) prehensile penis??”
I’m trying not to eat too much pasta… I ate it every day for a year und bin zu dick geworden!
PS is “Gruß zurück“ a greeting or a request?
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Reply to Post#232 KatieBug
Yeah, My bad! I then read your mail #203 till the end and realised that you didn’t say that yourself and were quoting Ellen! I’m sorry!
But it WAS the first part of your post… and you DIDNT say who you were quoting!
And I didn’t see the inverted comma (due to crap computer screen)!
Anyway thanks for pointing me to the source of my error in Ellen’s original post number 184!
Actually in my post #218 I said “I wish people would specify who or what they are replying to… at first I thought KatieBug was a fanatic… then I realised she was quoting one!”
May the great FSM forgive us our trespasses and not lead me into temptation again!
Let me just pray for a second (repetita iuvant!):
Our monster so great, such art in the plate
Hallowed be thy scrummy yummy juicy sauces
Thy kingdom come, some day, but not too late:
Before we move onto our second courses!
Give us this day our daily pasta
And forgive us if we sometimes overcook it
As we forgive them who eat it much faster
(The important thing is not to overlook it!)
And lead us not into false consummation
Of dire dodgy dishes: nasty noodles or Ramen
For thine is the source of the saucy sensation
Forever and ever Spaghetti Monster amen!
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I was born a Christian, read the bible daily, went to church weekly, studied other religions in high school and started to raise my son as a Christian. Around the time he was 4 or 5, he was questioning whether there was a tooth fairy, santa clause and god. I let him come to his own conclusions based on the evidence available. He believed in santa the longest because he could see the evidence.
After the christian god killed off several people close to me including 2 babies, I did a lot of soul searching and realized that either this god with a plan was an asshole or he didn’t really exist. So Ellen:) & Divooneh it is lovely that you have something to believe in, but you will have to forgive us if your writings don’t move us to believe. Many of us have studied various religions at some point in our lives, whether because we were born into it or out of curiosity and have not found reason enough to blindly believe.
I suggest you read the origins of the FSM, chill out, have a beer and realize that we don’t need religion to be moral and to have wonderful lives. You should try it. It is quite liberating.
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Strange, I am a Scientologist and I find the site, the concept of the FSM funny as hell, and wow, I never just follow someone or accept blindly what anyone says just because the person is a leader or an authority. I believe very firmly in thinking for myself and I only accept something if it agrees with me and what I can perceive.
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Moral values can actually be attributed to the human condition. The moral rule of not committing murder is simple. People don’t want to be murdered so they don’t want others committing murder. The moral rule of not stealing; well people don’t want their things stolen so they made a rule about not stealing. All you have to do is have some one you know murdered or your stuff stolen to see how it is bad (from experience). To say that morality came from God is definitely selling his creations short.
I believe in God, however I despise organized religion. All of them paint God is a petulant, jealous, angry entity. What Supreme Being would act like that? Honestly five years olds behave better than most religions depict their God as behaving. And what kind of pathetic Supreme Being couldn’t have mapped out the universe from the big bang to evolution? Seriously most religions need to revisit their depiction of God because is severely lacking.
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“And have you explored the possibility of God?”
You can’t be serious! For most of us it took years to deprogram ourselves from the brainwashing we received as children.
See, that’s the only reason religion still exists. If you waited until people were old enough to think for themselves before introducing the odd concepts of religion to them, they’d think you mad.
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I thought the flying spagetti monster was god. If you are a firm believer like me, faith has guided you to the real creator and no one can change that with science or reality. THe monster created. end of story.
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“The problem with this is that evolution is not a spiritual belief. It is a scientific theory with testable proof that shows the same results every time and has more evidence than the theory of gravity. Sure, you could probably make it sound ridiculous, but that doesn’t take away that it is based in fact.”"
Well, it’s not a spiritual belief, but it is a belief which says the spiritual does not exist. It pretains to your beliefs about the spiritual world in that atheists say the spiritual world doesn’t exist. Also, why do you say it’s “based in fact”? I know you only say it has “base” in fact, but it’s not absolute fact. Sure, you have evidence you can point to, but I also have evidence I can point to for Intelligent Design (which, unlike a lot of the people on this website say, it does have substantial evidence to support its claims). Chew on this: If you have a super computer and a worm, which one is more complex? If you study them, it’s the worm. Really. And nobody would ever suggest that a super-computer could have developed through random changes of nature with no intelligent designer. We know that it was created by humans, and humans have intelligence. So, if a worm, which compared to other creatures like mammals is really simple, is more complicated than something that needs a designer to make it work, like a super computer, then how could this worm, or other more complicated species, have come out from random chance? Order just can’t spontaneously errupt out of disorder without an intelligent force behind it. That’s what Intelligent Design is about.
“To clarify, what you originally said was that people that don’t believe in a god are “Darwinists” which does not imply Atheists. Also, there are things other than Atheists that don’t believe in a god. Atheists are just the common ones. Actually, Agnostics are probably more common, but I’m not if they count because they “don’t know”. Buddhists don’t have a god, they have a teacher. I’m just saying that you were making a very broad and very incorrect generalization about something you probably don’t know as much about as you think.”
Actually, Buddhists do believe that there are gods, they just believe that there are many of them, and they’re not powerful enough to be important. Their main concern is acheiving Nirvana, not worshipping gods. And what I meant by “Darwinists” was traditional atheists who believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution. Sorry for my incorrectness :-0 I do know that not every one who’s not Christian believes in evolution, lol, but I’m just saying that if you’re not a theist, you’re most likely an agnostic or atheist.
“Yes, you could make ANY spiritual belief sound idiotic, and all religions frequently DO make other religions sound ridiculous to strengthen the appearance of their own faiths. If you had been born in the Middle East, there is a 99.9% certainty that you would be Islamic, and yet you probably think that Islam is a ridiculous religion” I don’t think Islam is a ridiculous religion, I just don’t think they’re right. And I’m not just a Christian because I was raised in a Christian home(although I admit I was raised in a Christian home, lol). Jesus has had a big impact on my life, and I choose to trust him, that’s why I’m a Christian. Yeah freaky i know :P
“I thought I was a bad person, so I started reading the bible. As I read I realized exactly how ridiculous all of it was. So yes, I “explored the possibility of God” and found at a young age through my own means that I thought that God was and is ridiculous.”
Just wondering, what about it was ridiculous to you? What parts of the Bible did you read? Because the Old Testament is pretty boring in certain parts, but I actually find the New Testament to be really enlightening and I don’t know what you could find wrong with Jesus’ teachings. What did you think about it when you were reading it?
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This satire that you speak of … can you please show me the proof that it exists? Or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know.
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“Divooneh, can you please show me some PROOF that ‘God’ exists and isn’t created by a fool who talked with a burning bush and walked for more then -was it 40? – years in the desert? (btw, now a days they lock you up in a very special place if you talk to a burning bush)”
That’s why people these days wax, rather than burn, for their personal dilapatory needs.
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Andrea Said (post 9):
“Hello, I am a Pastafaria, and I would just like….”
YAE, ME FSM TAKES TA FLESH!!! THAR SHE COMES, BOYS! THAR SHE COMES!!! The COMIN of OUR LORD BE HERE!!!!!……
Oh, NAE…She not be THE Pastafaria, she be a Pastafarian, like us… Damn, me Buckos, thought Our Day of Eternal Pasta and Grog be near, but nae….
Andrea Said (post 10):
“*PastafariaN..”
O Sweet Andrea, plez be karful wit yer speel-cheek. Me thinks Our Savior be here, at last…Oh, wait…DO we hav a Savior. Damn, if I can set down my pint long nuf to red and member The Gospel, me’d know. O well, I be warded wit a BIG sloppy plate o pasta fer me consolashun.
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@ tris (#219)
(Re: my post # 216) “Logic-Tight Compartments” is a metaphor for mental processes that are not understood, but are readily observed in everyday life. For example, among my acquaintances are scientists who function rationally in the application of the scientific method, yet cling to religious beliefs that contradict their scientific knowledge. Consider a scientist who conducts research using radioactive tracer techniques, and yet believes that God created the universe and man in six days about 6,000 years ago.
You suggested that schizophrenia may be an explanation for religious belief. I agree, especially for those who claim to hear the voice of God directing them to act in some way. An extreme form of schizophrenia is the expression of multiple personalities by an individual. The “compartments” in such cases can be extremely “leakproof.”
I am not suggesting that “Logic-Tight Compartments” explain religious belief. I am only indicating how these compartments allow an individual to maintain contradictory, concurrent mental paradigms. I believe this is not at odds with what you have said, nicht wahr?
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Reply to Ornj Post#223 October 5th
I like you8r succinct way of expressing religion:
Fire? Magic man dun it! Life? Magic man dun it! Earth? Magic man dun it! Our Magic man says to kill those who don’t believe in Him!
Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it!
It’s really scary that people still think like that 10,000 years after we left the caves… I guess their brains are still hankering after the simple life back there in the caves….
I don’t quite have your gift of synthesis, but I’m working on it!
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@TRIS. The thing which “inhibited the survival and replication functions of early hominids” was consciousness of the shortness and brutality of life occasioned by brain evolution which allowed those beings to know about death without the ability to mitigate this knowledge by also having the ability to create belief systems which allow things like “life after death”. In short, the ability to be religious is an evolutionary adaptation hominids underwent so they wouldn’t be so depressed about their mortality as to give up before they could replicate.
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And, as with most posters who doubt FSM, but not their own version of The FSM (particularly hate-mailers), we say:
“Like a horse with blinders on, we limit our own vision.” -unknown
Being as Pastafarians tend to be more literate and thoughtful than most, I am hopeful that one or more of you can enlighten me as to who first said this. I first heard it in a theology class in the 1970’s but cannot remember for certain whether the author is recent or centuries dead. It has stuck with me ever since, but unfortunately, the manual I wrote it in has long since disappeared.
(It was a pre-college class at a Catholic high school, if that helps, but Catholicism was subservient to philosophy.)
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So close AGAIN. Keep trying buddy.
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KatieBug: I was raised staunchly Episcopalian
I think Episcopalians are especially likely to wind up Pastafarians considering their history. Dude is a Catholic that wants a divorce but can’t have one so he invents his own rules. Pretty much the history of religion in a nutshell.
I was Episcopalian too. And ZOOM!! Here I am!
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Ellen, it’s nice to see someone using some real arguments for belief on these pages, instead of the abuse we usually get from xtians. You “(evolution) is not a spiritual belief, but it is a belief which says the spiritual does not exist.” Actually, of course, evolution is a scientific theory (which makes it different from other kinds of theory) and says nothing at all about the spiritual. Neither do the theory of gravity, or Boyle’s Law, or any other scientific theory. What the theory of evolution does is show that the origin of species took place through natural selection of random mutations. The fact that this conflicts with xtian and other religious dogma is irrelevant to its value as a scientific explanation.
If you take the trouble to read Darwinist authors – Richard Dawkins’ books, particularly “The Selfish Gene” and “The Blind Watchmaker” are very good, but there are plenty of others – you will see that they explain with great clarity how the complexity of organisms like the worm has evolved.
On the other hand the theory of intelligent design, which is not a scientific theory (because it is not based on evidence, and is not testable or refutable) doesn’t really explain anything. If the great variety of life on earth requires an intelligent designer, doesn’t the existence of such a designer also need to be explained? Where did she (or he or it, if you prefer) come from? She clearly be must be more complex than the life she created, according to your reasoning, so I assume she must in turn have been created by a being even more intelligent and complex. So we end up not in an infinite regression, but with the opposite – a series of increasingly complex and intelligent beings stretching into infinity and eternity.
Sorry, but intelligent design is really some parts of the xtian religion masquerading as science. It has as much explanatory power as the Bakuba myth that God vomited out the earth, moon stars and everything else after having a rather unpleasant stomach ache.
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Um PROOF? Hello; since this Christian religion is MOSTLY based on FAITH; I find it odd that you request or require PROOF of the FSM. Now; this being said; isn’t there something in this country that allows for religious freedom? Uh, yeah there is. And guess what; part of the reason we’re here is because there were some folks that didn’t want to worship the way their “government” told them to. If these people want to worship a FSM who is ANYONE to stop them? Are they hurting people? Telling them to drink the Kool-Aide? Waiting for their “spaceship” to rescue the “true believers”? Have ya thought that perhaps they picked the FSM because it is as ridiculous as the whole concept of “Jesus” is to others who may not be Christians?
“If closed minds only came with closed mouths”.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Jesus? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
- not Divooneh
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and do you have any proof of God? if so Please show me. Jackass. think about it. you know pastafairiaism is real. Just let his appendage into your heart. you know you want to.
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is there any proof that ANY god exists? no there isn’t.
And an imaginative mind isn’t a bad thing it is way better than just believing something that the general population of the world enforces on you (coughcoughchristianitycoughcough).
sure FSM is silly, but every religion is silly in its own way.
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The christians tell the athiests they’re going to hell. The athiests feel it’s necessary to give a 12 paragraph scientific doctrine disproving christianity which obviously means nothing them since their beliefs are built on faith…
Point is…You both appear equally moronic to me. The athiests will take this harder because they like the feel like they’re gods themselves for being intelligent enough to reject a belief system.
I can’t even look up a song meaning anymore without catching a 23 page long religious argument.
Athiests: You are not going to change the “feeble minds” of the christians. They don’t care about your science. That’s why religion is a system of BELIEFS. They don’t want or need proof. It is faith and you aren’t going to change any of them by calling them ignorant monkeys and “educating” them. Really I think the real reason you guys like to argue so much is to get more and more up your own asses with elitism. “Oh ho ho! silly religious man! If only the whole world were as intelligent as I am!”. Christians don’t really care. They’re happy because of their religion. They’ll die happy. They live happy. Their belifs, no matter how stupid you think they are, are strong and it’s worthless trying to change them.
christians:Once one of these guys tells you they don’t believe in anything you need to let it go…I understand that your system is almost entirely based on recruiting believers. Fishing or gathering lambs. Whatever you call it now. But your targets really aren’t these steadfast athiests who sit here and compose books of scientific reason against you. Why are you wasting your time on them? You aren’t converting them so move on. Go try someone else. You aren’t going to “save” them no matter how hard you try. They don’t want to be saved.
Athiests i hate to break it to you but you guys are religious too. A religion is a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. Sorry. That’s you. You have very strong beliefs and attitudes concerning gods, the supernatural etc.
Both sides sound equally unwise to me because both sides are “sure” of something that is impossible to be sure of. Athiests, who state science as their doctrine should understand the difference between a belief and a fact shouldn’t they…?
It used to be christans doing all the preaching. Now I see more athiest propaganda, arguments and just general attention mongering than christian everywhere I go. For being so against christians “forcing their religion” on you…don’t you think you should follow your own advice…?
and SHUT THE FUCK UP sometimes?
You aren’t killing christianity. You’re just making the world more annoying to everyone else.
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It’s funny how if one swaps just two words, the whole concept of FSM can be made apparent to Divooneh…
I would have responded as such.
“Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. (much like scientology)”
There ya go. Done. Fin-e-to.
-Divooneh
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@neal (post#249)
Ahh! Now I get it!
What John Shumaker (without a C and a CH? as in Schumacher?) is saying is that a bit of schizophrenic mind division actually benefited the survival and replication capability of our early ancestors who otherwise would have been too aware of their mortality and therefore pretty damn depressed (and therefore unable to “get it up” and propagate the species!)
Perhaps that explains why the Neanderthals died out 40,000 odd years ago… they just got so depressed and apathetic about life that they stopped making an effort to survive (or even to shag!)
In fact we know that at about that time Cro-Magnon man (Palaeolithic homo sapiens) developed forms of art and connected rituals which no doubt gave a meaning to existence. Presumably language and complex modes of thought had just developed or were developing alongside these “artistic”manifestations.
I remember having read some statistical research, which says that religious people tend to be more optimistic and tenacious when faced with stressful difficulties than non-believers who tend to give in and say “what’s the point?!” Instead if you have belief systems which allow things like “life after death” or reincarnation or stripper factories then you’re gonna look forward to death rather than dread it. Of course there is a danger of making life after death look too attractive….
If you really think life after death will be great (better than your life here and now) then you’re gonna kill yourself, aren’t you? (maybe that’s what the Neanderthals did!). This would explain the Christian anathema against suicide: “life after death will be great, as long as you don’t kill yourself, in which case you’ll go to a really nasty place!” It also explains why many religions say you have to EARN a decent life after death by repressing your urges to pleasure and working hard and giving money to the church (this has the double benefit of keeping the faithful alive and paying their tithes, so they can propagate more faithful tithe-payers in future, forever and ever amen!)
I suppose it is true that many religious people tend to optimistic and tenacious and happy, but if the price is living a lie as a slave to a set of dogmas and a bunch of corrupt priests, I’d rather be a bit depressed occasionally but live free from ignorance…. Of course I’d rather belong to that 5% of people who don’t believe in the lies and are optimistic and tenacious and happy!
Thanks for your explanation neal…sorry it took me a while to latch on!
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Question to OckhamsRazor and KatieBug:
what the hell is an “Episcopalian”?
and what is “their history”?
and who is this “Dude” person who “wants a divorce but can’t have one so he invents his own rules”??????
Are you talking about Henry VIII king of England?
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I wrote this in the Comment on the open letter Post 2482:
I’ve just had a brilliant inspirational explanation to unite the theories of Creationism and Evolutionism! It should finally calm the waters of debate and dissention!
Has anyone ever wondered how Cain and Abel (Adam and Eve’s sons) managed to procreate and continue the human species? Who did they mate with if there were no other human beings around? As far as we know they didn’t have any sisters (the Bible doesn’t mention any daughters of Adam and Eve… and procreating with your sister is pretty wierd even for a Christian!)
The only possible explanation is that they fucked with monkeys! (or maybe just Abel fucked ‘em ‘cos he killed poor old Cain, didnt he? I suppose a brother-killer is almost at the same level of depravity as a monkey-fucker) And then these half human – half monkey primitive monkey-men and monkey-women fucked each other until the human race evolved!
So this theory includes a bit of Creationism and a bit of Evolutionism… it’s perfect! Let’s suggest it to the Kansas school board!
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All I can say is, I know I can’t convince any of you that God exists if that’s not what you want to believe…. but I hope that maybe you’ll hear me and consider it… because really, it’s worth thinking about… If you look around the world we live in, though fraught with sin and selfishness, there are many beautiful things. And if you choose to believe that we’re all a coincidence that happened from an explosion, that we can think and feel for no reason, then that’s what you believe. But I believe in Jesus Christ! No matter how stupid you think I am!!!! And his redeeming love is amazing!!! and I’m not schizophrenic. lol. If you look at the universe, it’s logical to believe some one created it. And if it was created, why would the Creator make us? With our cantelope-sized (very smart, but limited) brains, and teensy bodies, what the heck can we do for an omnipotent God? The only logical reason He would create us is because he wants to love us and have a relationship with us. Which is why God sent His Son into the world… to live a perfect life and die on a cross… (but Death couldn’t hold Him)… so that we could be forgiven of our sins and have the choice to be with Him. I pray you all choose correctly. :) That’s what Jesus is about… he’s not about religion at all. I agree, throw religion out the window! Christ-like behavior is in, stupidness and corruption and greed and self-righteous rituals are out. Yay Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello, I am a christian as well, and I’d just like to say I think your religion is okay, but your probably Asian and so this is going in my blocked list.
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“…just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.” You are speaking of your own religion, Divooneh, not scientology. And most especially not Pastafarianism.
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Ellen, you’re back into your infinite anti-regress again. The universe is amazing and beautiful, and the processes which led to its existence and development are difficult to understand, although we seem to be making great strides towards such an understanding. Maybe the Large Hadron Collider will take us a step forward.
The universe is about 13.7 billion years old, give or take 120 million years. Our earth is about 4 billion years old. The human race has been around for less than a million years. We live on a planet that goes round a small star which is in a galaxy, the Milky Way, that contains between 200 and 400 billion stars. There are millions of galaxies in the observable universe. It seems hardly likely that all this was specially made for us.
That doesn’t mean our lives are purposeless. It does mean that we have to find our own purposes. I don’t believe that there is a god to love us, but that doesn’t mean we can’t love one another. Received religion can be comforting, but we don’t need it, and we should be grown up enough to survive without a security blanket.
Try reading Darwin, or Dawkins (don’t bother with the God Delusion, try his books on evolution). You might find it makes more sense than it seems to at the moment. Take care of yourself!
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I am amazed when people of religion insist our world was created for us!
With around 71% covered in water and 14% desert, it now seems only a fool could have “created” this world for us!
Not to mention the coldest places on this planet can kill humans within minutes!
If the fathfull believe god created this planet then they must concede it was certainly NOT made for us, fish maybe!
And as far as “intelligent design” goes….
Only a fool would “design” a human so flimsy!
Animals have better eyes, ears, smell, touch and in many cases are stronger than us.
So before you religious freaks go on with your arrogant superiority complex remember, it is only the human brain that is better than animals!
All other respects we are feeble!
The simplest creatures on the planet such as virus and bacteria can take us down!
And did god realy love us so much to put such horrific diseases as EBOLA on our “perfect” planet?
The flying spaghetti monster is as good as any religion, go ahead and pray all you want!
In your time of need when you are sick will you go to church? or go to the hospital and ask science to help?
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Ellen (#263) – Why’s it logical the Universe was created? You build your whole argument on this but don’t prove it! I personally don’t think you’re stupid, although I think you’re blinded by faith into an irrational moral system. I respect you for arguing your points civilly. Many of the Christians I know are tolerant and good people. Some are not.
It’s the Christians who believe their rules on personal behaviour should apply to others that I’m against. Judge me if you wish, but don’t try and stop me living my life!
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“264 – October 7th, 2008 at – I am a christian too Says:
Hello, I am a christian as well, and I’d just like to say I think your religion is okay, but your probably Asian and so this is going in my blocked list”
Erm….. If you are serious, I think I may have to slap you severely. And no,I personally am not Asian. I am, however, extrememly fond of Asian people and am so angered by this comment that I don’t know how I’m still seeing straight. For any people of Asian heritiage on here, please believe that no one on here feels this way.
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@Ellen #263 for the following remark: “If you look at the universe, it’s logical to believe some one created it.”
First Ellen, you should really lay off the kool-aid. You’ve had quite enough, dear.
It is NOT logical to believe someone created the universe because then you have to ask the question “who created that being?”
The usual answer is that that being has been around forever. Well, if that being could have just been around forever, then so could the universe. And if you read some recent science articles regarding the “Big Bounce” you might see that that is indeed a recent SCIENTIFIC proposal. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=big-bang-or-big-bounce
Sure, it’s hardly even a theory yet, but it IS being approached with those crazy “fact” things that some of us are so hung up on.
RAmen
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Ellen, I don’t agree with the things u say, but I do respect the fact that u are willing to have a proper conversation with us, instead of -like most christians- screaming to us :-)
U can have a pasta with any sauce u like and a cold beer on the house.
RAmen
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I am a christian too (post#264) Said:
“Hello, I am a christian as well, and I’d just like to say I think your religion is okay, but your probably Asian and so this is going in my blocked list.”
Congratulations for being a truly tolerant Christian! (You are the first one I’ve met on this site!) You accept Pastafarianism’s right to exist!
But what have you got against Asians? Why are they on your “blocked list”? whatever that is! I know they look strange (I personally find some Asian women incredibly sexy and attractive!) and they speak strange languages (But I personally find Japanese the most logical language I’ve ever studied!) and they have strange (but beautiful) writing systems…
But why should you try to “block” them?
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P.S.
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me what an “Episcopalian” is!
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You do realize that absolutely everything you said can be applied to every religion in existence right?
I believe there may be a higher force in the universe, but it has nothing to do with religion.
All religions are the work of people. God did not write the Bible, or the Qu’ran, or the Torah.
It is ignorant, and frankly, dumb to base one’s life on ancient writings that the use of any amount of logic at all would tell us are complete human fabrications.
When the government begins to acknowledge this, maybe we can recommence moving forward as a society.
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tris: I used to be Episcopalian, so I’ll answer.
When King Henry VIII found out that even though the Catholic church seemed to be okie dokey with him lopping off the heads of his wives, they weren’t ok with him divorcing any of them. Gee…go figure.
So Henry said “Screw YOU guys, I’m going home.” And he created his own church, now known as the Church of England which is Catholic + it’s ok to get divorced, basically. I call it Catholic Lite. Or The New and Improved Catholicism™
This church is now known as the Episcopal church.
In other news, my FSM car thingy came in the mail today along with the gospel! Yay!! I stuck the car thingybob proudly on the back of my new Mazda Miata MX-5. A fine place for it indeed.
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Ellen: I don’t think you’re stupid for being a Christian. I think you’re stupid for thinking this is a forum for spreading your “Word”.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like Islam)
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is there any proof of god
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Hello, have you noticed that when you talk about the flying spaghetti monster, saying that it’s ridiculous, there is no proof and all that, you are describing cristianity. All you radical idiots are the same. Try thinking about what you are saying for once, huh? Why don’t you give that a try?
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Just so everybody knows, I have not given up on this debate with Ellen :)
I have just had more important things to do, such as school and praising the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I will be back soon with a response to Ellen!
And tris: Episcopalian is a Christian denomination religion. It’s sort of like Catholicism, but less strict…
Robin Williams has called it “Catholic Light”.
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Hello again Fliegenden Nudeln (#247)
Thanks for your explanations… I think I misunderstood you when you said “The posts regarding the separation of religious belief and secular science suggest that the human brain is able to construct “logic-tight compartments” with the flow of communication blocked between them”
It seemed that you were advocating some sort of unification of belief and secular science and were suggesting that the separation of belief and science was a sort of block or “denial”!!! Of course I didnt agree!
But in fact you were talking about the mechanisms (which I would call “schizophrenic”) that permit some people to divide their brains between 2 contradictory compartments or “contradictory, concurrent mental paradigms”!!!! I agree!!!!
But I didn’t exactly “suggest that schizophrenia may be an EXPLANATION for religious belief”. Instead I said that religious belief is SIMILAR TO schizophrenia in that it involves a division between everyday “reality” and a belief in what is patently absurd! Those who claim to hear the voice of God directing them to act in some way constitute a much more extreme form of full-blown schizophrenia!
I think we are thinking along the same lines, but these complicated concepts aren’t easy to express clearly, are they?
(Es ist oft sehr schwierig sich auf Englisch gut aus zu drücken, nicht wahr?!)
Anyway, I enjoy getting your feedback….. sorry I didn’t notice your reply till today!
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@ Grapefruit Post#258
I read your post with interest… it’s true that atheists (that is the spelling… not “atheists” as you wrote!) can be a right royal pain in the ass (especially when they lose their sense of humour)… but, as I pointed out elsewhere (see my post #2469 et seqq. in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”): the great thing about this site is that it is based on a humoristic attitude (I call it “humourism”) and satire, rather than insulting or slagging people off (altho’ a minority of Pastafarians do this as a knee-jerk defence reaction in some mails in response to some particularly abusive Christian attacks!)
It is true that many Christians are happy because of their religion (see my post 260 just after yours!) and I (despite being an atheist) respect that… everyone has a right to be happy, unless that removes another person’s right to be happy, maybe in a very different way!
However you contradict yourself by saying that atheists “don’t believe in anything” and then saying “i hate to break it to you but you guys are religious too” and “You have very strong beliefs…”. According to my definition of belief (see post #2472 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter) I maintain that atheists “don’t believe in anything”, as you initially say. But it is not necessarily true that they don’t have moral or spiritual values (see post #2472)… as you seem to imply!
Your definition of “religion” as “a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices” is actually circular, since you include the word you wish to define (actually the adjective that derives from it) inside your definition (you use it to define itself… so try again please!)
You also say “Athiests (sic), who state science as their doctrine should understand the difference between a belief and a fact, shouldn’t they…?” Of course, they should… in fact they do! That’s EXACTLY why most of them are atheists… they understand this definition better than religious believers! (see my post #2469)
Your ideas are potentially interesting… but also rather contradictory and confused. In the end you just tell everyone to “SHUT THE FUCK UP”. But you don’t tell anyone where you yourself stand…
It seems to me that if you neither “believe” in religion, nor support the evidence of science, measurable facts and logical analysis then YOU have no position, therefore no valid opinion of your own, and therefore no right to tell others to shut up! Attacking other people’s ideas is no substitute for having your own ideas. It just means you are being annoying for the sake of it! If you can’t make up your mind where you stand (because you have neither the intellectual nor the moral courage of conviction) then YOU should “SHUT UP” (I won’t say “THE FUCK” because I’m a gentleman!)
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P.S. I should have written:
“(that is the spelling… not “athiests” as you wrote!)”
I obviously spell too correctly… I can’t mispell even when I try to! (what a holier than thou pain in the ass we atheists are!)
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266 – October 8th, 2008 at – Fogey Says:
Ellen, you’re back into your infinite anti-regress again. The universe is amazing and beautiful, and the processes which led to its existence and development are difficult to understand, although we seem to be making great strides towards such an understanding. Maybe the Large Hadron Collider will take us a step forward.
The universe is about 13.7 billion years old, give or take 120 million years. Our earth is about 4 billion years old. The human race has been around for less than a million years. We live on a planet that goes round a small star which is in a galaxy, the Milky Way, that contains between 200 and 400 billion stars. There are millions of galaxies in the observable universe. It seems hardly likely that all this was specially made for us.
That doesn’t mean our lives are purposeless. It does mean that we have to find our own purposes. I don’t believe that there is a god to love us, but that doesn’t mean we can’t love one another. Received religion can be comforting