Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Divooneh
Hello, I am a Christian
Published by Bobby Henderson October 2nd, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 383 Comments
383 Responses to “Hello, I am a Christian”
To Divooneh:
First, is there any hard-as-diamond evidence Jesus and God and whatnot existed either? Two, who cares if the FSM is real or not? You’re Christian, I’m Pastafarian. We disagree on things, but really you don’t have to sound so snobbish about all this.
Arrrrg!
~Jenna
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293 – October 9th, 2008 at – Grapefruit
I agree with you in not liking “belligerent, forceful, fascist, narcissistic, rude and just generally unpleasant” people, although perhaps being forceful isn’t too bad once in a while… if you’ve got something worth saying, why not say it well! And perhaps you strayed into the category of “rude” in your first mail-post, although I’m glad to see you’ve adopted more civilised tones in this last mail… (I’m not sure “being an American teenager” gives you carte blanche to be “irritating” but maybe I don’t know enough American teenagers to know if that’s a necessary connotation of your identity… perhaps that’s my good luck!)
However I’m not sure that the denial of illogical archaic forms of superstitious belief necessarily means that you too are a “believer”, as you seem to maintain. I suppose it all depends on what you mean by “believe” or “belief”. It seems that if you adhere to the Merriam-Webster definition of a belief as “a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing” then you could say Atheists are “believers”, but I personally find this definition rather simplistic and superficial (the English Collins dictionary gives a definition closer to mine… as you’ve probably guessed I have English origins, not American, altho’ my dad grew up in the states!). I don’t think belief is more or less the same thing as trust or confidence as your dictionary states…. It is instead an UNFOUNDED trust or confidence! (in the sense of not being founded on “scientific” or logical principles)
I certainly think one should have SOMETHING or SOMEONE one can place one’s trust or confidence in (otherwise one’s life will be a hell of lack of confidence and mistrust!) and I do think that using one’s own personal experience and one’s own logical mental faculties as a basis for trust and confidence is an intelligent way of proceeding in order to find such certainties (albeit relative). If you tell me that (according to the American definition) this makes me a “believer” then I will say that yes, I am a “believer”(according to the American definition)!
You declare that: “those who truly “believe nothing” are my people. We are called agnostics”. I would reply: “may god (or the great FSM) help you poor people! What makes you get up in the morning!!” you must have SOMETHING or SOMEONE one can place one’s trust or confidence in, or you may as well just jump under the next passing train! Don’t you even have trust or confidence in your own personal experience and logical mental faculties??????
Nevertheless I agree with you that the “question of the existence or non-existence of God or gods and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience” which is a complicated way of saying that all our experiences (also scientific) are necessarily subjective… In fact I think the whole “god question” is just a waste of time, since it is unfounded and unnecessary speculation about something we cannot know (and there is no reason to suppose we will know it after we die!
I suppose, by my definitions, this it what makes me an “atheist”… altho’ technically speaking I don’t actually deny the existence of God or gods, but I deny their know-ability and therefore I deny that there is any profit to be gained (whether spiritual or concrete!) by talking about them… since the whole question of their existence is basically meaningless!
According to your definition this makes me something close to a Strong Agnostic or an “Ignostic” (I had never heard of such strange creatures!! What is their natural habitat I wonder??) since I would agree that a coherent definition of God must be put forward before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed. If the definition isn’t logically coherent (and it never is!), I consider that the existence of God is meaningless since it is empirically untestable and I therefore do not accept “God exists” as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against.
BTW why do you call this a “non-cognitivist view”?? (it seems very cognitive to me!)… you do admit that the definition was not yours and you just copied and pasted the first you could find, but I presume you read it, understood it and agree with it before pasting it(!!) nevertheless I would strongly suggest you start writing your own definitions and expressing your own ideas… this is what I think this site is (or should be) all about…. instead of just taking them ready-made from the dictionary or internet! You will probably enjoy the creative mental activity! Maybe it isn’t what American teenagers do, but I strongly believe that if you don’t start doing it your country will soon be really, I mean REALLY (!) fucked up (it is already going down the tube very fast as far as I can see from Europe, although things aren’t perfect here either!)
Anyway, to sum up before I get too political, I think our whole problem is one of definitions…. We seem to agree on things, but we call them by different names! I however intend to keep calling myself an atheist until I find a better word for me, not because I think an agnostic is “an atheist without balls”, but (and your definitions have rather reinforced this conviction!) because I think an agnostic is “an atheist without enough ideas and convictions of his own”!
Thank you for your polite reply to my previous riposte (I hope my reply hasn’t been too long and tiresome!) and I look forward to a free-thinking American teenager’s considerations… there’s no need to do it immediately, take your time to think and express yourself… I’m sure you can do it! I’ll be watching this space!
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Hello Fogey (are you really that old??) Post#300
I admit the use of the word “schizophrenic” to describe people with religious beliefs is a bit extreme… I don’t see why it is “unfair to both groups” though… which 2 “groups” do you mean????? Of course one tends to use rather hyperbolic language in this site, and “schizophrenic” is soooo much more expressive than “cognitively dissonant”…. and generally better understood by those with a non-psychiatric background! (I think if I’d written “cognitively dissonant” in my mails 90% of people would have stopped reading them! I already suspect that only 30% or less of visitors to the site read anything over 10 lines long anyway! (which is why I’m glad to get some feedback, albeit critical, from people like you!)
I think you understand that by saying “schizophrenic” I am referring to dissociation from reality and splitting of the personality typical of people who hold contradictory opinions or beliefs (typical of the religious believer)… I think it is a sufficiently precise term in this context and not really abusive (if I had said “fucking schizophrenic manicacs” that would have been another story!) Please try to see the essence of my meaning, rather than quibbling with the superficial outer form (words are necessarily imprecise and one often has to sacrifice absolute precision and clarity for brevity and concise expressiveness).
I certainly do not maintain that all religious believers experience auditory hallucinations (some do of course… they often call them “miracles”) or isolating paranoid delusions (their common faith is in fact a way of avoiding isolation!) but by saying “schizophrenic” I am not making an official psychiatric diagnosis but am referring to certain elements that faith has in common with “schizophrenia”…… I intend no offence to schizophrenics (I know it can be a terrible disease) by comparing them to religious fanatics or vice-versa!
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hi divooneh,
my gosh you have indeed started a firestorm of discussion. kudos. perhaps we’ll all learn something new and exciting. you asked specifically about evidence supporting the FSM’s existence. please go here, if you haven’t already: http://www.venganza.org/evidence/
scientology is not a fair comparison, whereas christianity is. so follow that path. if you need to know more about L. Ron Hubbard’s invention, may i suggest two information sources: the South Park episode that features Tom Cruise and John Travolta (this is the ep that caused isaac hayes to quit the show in protest, somewhat hypocritically, as South Park regularly skewers all religions) which covers the main tenets of scientology, or a copy of Dianetics, to be found in a used bookstore. personally, i can’t make it past the first 100 pages, but hey, that’s my limitation, not one due to Mr Hubbard’s theology.
as well, take yourself down to a local chapters or barnes & noble bookstore, grab a coffee or tea or smoothie, wander over to the humour section (and no that’s not mispelled!) and find our Gospel. in it, you will find myriad proofs of the FSM’s existence. they include mathematical, climatological, philosophical, & physical explanations supporting our creation theory. as well, and you’ll appreciate the parallel to your chosen religion, there is our genesis story that not only explains the world in religious terms, but also ties in quite nicely with the long-accepted Big Bang theory.
if you read the open letter first and foremost, and i cannot stress that enough, then examine the “tenets” of intelligent design (ID), i think you’ll see that the truth espoused in our Gospel is as valid, both philosophically and, importantly, scientifically, as any other religion in the history of humankind. BTW, absolutely no other religion can offer any evidence of their deity, let alone the variety and depth of scientific proof of a supernatural creator than does Pastafarianism. before you object to that statement, you should know that the proponents of ID have yet to conduct a single scientific experiment that proves the existence of their god (& yours) or any other for that matter.
after all of this effort, and more kudos are in order if you actually undertake this task, i think you’ll find that you’ve become more accepting of philosophical differences and far more aware of the natural world around you.
bask in the knowledge and let it free your mind, my friend.
may you be touched by his noodly appendage soon and often,
RAmen
V
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Hello again Fogey (reply to Post#300)
P.S:
I suppose when you said the use of the word “schizophrenic” to describe people with religious beliefs is “unfair to both groups” you meant unfair to schizophrenics (who wouldn’t want to be accused of religious deliriums) and unfair to people with religious beliefs (who wouldn’t want to be accused of mental deliriums)
But they are both forms of delirium… so I still don’t see why it’s so unfair!
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@ Fogey #299
Actually, yes I would consider one who who states “I am sure that a black cat does not cause bad luck” superstitious on the grounds that he has a belief on the issue.
I would say “Seeing a black cat has never caused me bad luck before, however I am not completely sure that a black cat may yet cause me bad luck”.
This is of course all considering we believe in luck in the first place which is doubtful.
I just don’t believe in a assumptions is all. Of course you could go through thousands of trials passing black cats in front of people and examining their “luck”. But even then, I don’t think that proves, beyond a doubt, that the statement “A black cat may cause you bad luck” is universally false.
It’s just a personal system. I do not accept assumptions unless they can be shown to be factual. I don’t have anything against anyone who does.
I admit, it’s somewhat of a cop-out. But the way I see it, it’s the only purely scientific way. Nothing is fact until proven.
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Edit: “…not completely sure that a black cat will not cause me bad luck in the future”.
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Hello, I am a Pastafarian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of the FSM? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Greycap
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Hello Chris(or whatever you was called) thank you for these “arguments” so now i please before you say that to me again… use those exact agruments agains you and your religon… how convincing was that from a scale from one too ten!?
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Well, all, I must say that I really like the ideas of FSM. And I am sorry to quote a previous post, but you’ll understand why in a minute.
” Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Divooneh ”
Is there any proof of God? Who wrote the Bible? All those who wrote it were nor present at the so called “events” that occurred. Do we really know for sure that these stories were passed down or was it just some silly religion thought up by over active imaginations who told someone, who then told someone else and the few that believed him were hopeless in life… Ok, you get my point. I have believed in God most of my life and the purpose behind it was to have a belief in something and that seems to be my best option at the time. I was lost and was hopeful that there was some divine being who could lead the way or who I could ask for guidance. The plain and simple fact is that there is no proof of God and no proof of FSM (please don’t strike me down, FSM!), but God wins because more people believe in him. I don’t know what it is like to have such a strong desire to believe in something that you can’t see the other side, so I have no other way to explain this to you. People need God, or Buddha, or FSM in the same way that they need their mothers – a strong hold, someone who is always there to catch them when they fall, and someone to ask for guidance. May your intellectual journey take you to your choice of light.
Mama
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OOPS! Now, I just went to the very beginning of this post and saw that it is 301 posts long and every one of you had already said pretty much exactly what I said, SOOOOO I’ll be quiet now. lol
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hello christian, is there any proof that God exists
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I agree with what Reggie Dixon (#97) says about myths and fables from long past, quoted here for your convenience–”Note that evidence does not consist of an ancient book of fables and legends unless you accept all ancient books as being of equal status.”
If you were to take the Bible literally, I also propose that you take the following tales into consideration–Plato’s tale of Atlantis, the epic poems of Homer, the dark tale of Beowulf, the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead, and Cecil DeMille’s rendition of the Ten Commandments.
Thanks.
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Ahhh the irony, so sweet!
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Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said.
Um…
Wasn’t that Jesus and the 12 Disciples?
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Wow i am A christian and i have reaserched proof on the flying what ever but at least God cares enough to talk to me.
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This is fake. Just place the last line with…. just like christianity and she is proving our argument. Stop bashing your head against the cross. You are doing serious damage.
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Over the years i have seen many “religions” talk about how they are “The True Religion”. Catholics make this claim. Most Christian groups out there make this claim. Atheists make this claim as well. And last but not least, scientists claim they are correct as well.
Well i really hate to be a killjoy here for all these groups. But the answer is this………………..you are all right. Faith in whatever you believe or do not believe in is still Faith in something. Whether it is a God, Man’s science or even a Giant Flying Spaghetti Monster. You have the right to have faith and believe in whatever you want too. So here’s what you do. Talk about it, share your thoughts, ideals, dreams and theories. Believe what you want to believe.
Here’s what not to do. “Do Not” make what each of you believe in a weapon to use against another to prove how right you are and how wrong they are. Because by doing so you only prove how wrong you are.
i tend to question everything except one thing that i know more than anyone or anything in this or any other plane of existence. i know myself. and that is all that needs to be important.
So if you want to argue, point fingers and pass blame. Do it in front of a mirror before you do it to anyone else.
Ancient Chinese Proverb: “Man Must Live For Himself, Living A Life For Others Leads To A Life Left Unfulfilled.”
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waahahahwahahajdnjsnfjkaseg these hate mails are too perfect to be real.
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People, its okay to follow an organized religion. The problem is when you allow it to do your thinking for you, especially when you let it blind you to other people’s ideas. Listening to other people is an excellent way to actually learn something.
The problem with many societies today (especially America) is they allow themselves to be caught up in “twos.” Everything has to be right or wrong, in or out, black or white.
You CAN be a pro-life Democrat, you CAN be a Republican who supports universal healthcare.
The point is: don’t give up on your faith, but don’t let it interfere with your learning. Use your head: God gave it to you after all.
and ps: The Flying Spaghetti Monster is from a South Park Episode. It is the product of an overactive imagination… just not theirs.
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Grapefruit, you have changed the words I used and then argued against something I didn’t in fact say. This is a “straw man fallacy” – look it up in Wikipedia.
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OOOPs… I fucked up!
I said (in my Post 262 – October 7th) that Abel killed Cain! of course I should have said “(or maybe Cain just fucked ‘em ‘cos he killed poor old Abel, didnt he? I suppose a brother-killer is almost at the same level of depravity as a monkey-fucker)”
Sorry! If I keep making mistakes like that the Kansas school board will never take me seriously!
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It’s nice to see Divooneh tried to be polite. There’s a problem, you know that this website is a joke right, it’s purpose is to point out the flaws in religion. I know religion relies on faith, but it’s hilarious when fundamentalists claim to have proof or even try to assert their belief as fact in the public sphere (and government). This site points out the BS of the intelligent design, people on the website would agree, in a hilarious fashion.
(R)Amen
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We don’t have proof, we don’t need it. We have FAITH! And Pasta!
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@Mama376 – may i suggest reading Bart Erhman’s book :Misquoting Jesus? Erhman is a biblical scholar who, thru the course of his extensive religious studies, could not reconcile his christian faith (ie belief in the inerrancy of the bible and the existence of his god) with the facts of the bible’s true origins that he was discovering. he now identifies as agnostic. he’s also done an interview with terry gross of NPR’s fresh air – good stuff.
his most recent book tackles the dilemma of modern-day belief in a supernatural god. why and how does evil exist in the world when the oft-spoken-about god is all-loving, all-knowing and ever-present? this particular question has never been answered by any religion. it dates back to the dawn of western civilzation with epicurus. fairly long history, that.
as a biblical scholar at a NC university, i’m sure Ehrman’s well aware of the FSM. as a scholar and all-around bright guy, i’m sure he’d be swayed by our evidence if he gave it half a chance. i have no way of knowing his personal interests, but if he reads any of these msgs, i encourage him to do what i suggested divooneh do: check us out.
yours in pasta,
V
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Hello, I am a Muslim, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of Christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am currios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Dylan
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Hey, mabey you can show us some proof of YOUR god.
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Hello, I am a pastafarianism, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of christianity? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the many that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-by blaze8902
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Lawl I typoed.
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Actually “Christian”’s post was extremely ironic, I myself have nothing against Christians or Catholics, because almost half of the most successful scientists AND evolutionists belive in God. Just a fast fact that contradicts Christian beliefs and causes hardcore catholics to lynch thoses guys
-RAmen kol_lord
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If Divooneh would be so kind as to show me proof as to the existence of his God and Jesus. I would be more than willing to see it, hell I’ll even scream it to the world. And yes this may be a silly religion thought of by someone with an over imagination as opposed to yours where people ate the mushrooms and poppies growing along the side of the road and started writing their drug induced hallucinations down. Sadly Divooneh I could use the same argument you used against you, cause there’s no proof on your side either. Just a longer history. And the difference between a cult and a religion is a hundred years. So thanks for your input now be quiet and enjoy the ride.
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“I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the proof”
A Christian demanding proof!! O_o Oh Noodly Pasta! But well, here you have some proof:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Shroud_of_Napkin
http://www.google.com/trends?q=global%20warming,%20pirates&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0
http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn14573-galactic-spaghetti-monster-powered-by-magnetic-fields.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news1_head_dn14573
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I “personally believe” “curios” are antiques. And since when does a religion need proof? Isn’t your religion based on faith/delusion/drugs?
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Hello, “I am a Christian”, you asked “is their any proof of FSM?”. Is there any proof of any religion? If so, please die and tell us what heaven or hell is all about. We’re all so very curious……
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BWAAAAHAAHAAA! “this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone”. There is no other kind of religion, you twit!!
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@ Tris #281
Wow! Everything you said here mirrors my own thoughts about the religious mind. Believing in the most ridiculous bible stories and firmly claiming them as fact, and the at the snap of a finger returning to a normal life that requires logical thought ie/driving a car chopping onions and what not, does indeed border on schizophrenia. Flip flopping in and out of reality should be red flag to everyone!
I dont know about many of you, but I have seen mental illness up close and personal, I have seen schizo at work, I have seen someone close to me in and out of a a catatonic state. I have also been to church a time or two and the look in the eyes of one in a catatonic state is almost exactly the same look in the eyes of the devout when they are saying their amens, and hallelujah’s.
I have come to believe that religious belief, that which is deeply rooted and likely irreversable, is as close to mental illness as you can get. I honestly do not understand how on one hand people can claim to believe in the most ludicrous stories and then go about their daily activities as if they are completely “normal”. Something aint right there…
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@Grapefruit #306 (and the previous ones too)
Before I get into the grit of my post I’m going to define a few words, in the way I use them so that we can avoid some misunderstanding. (Look for the line of dashes if you want to skip them)
Gnostic: Someone who (claims to) know something, be it either intellectual or spiritual knowledge.
Agnostic: Someone who does not know something/is non-committal about something – Often, but not necessarily, used to describe someone who believes it is impossible to know whether there is a god or not.
Theist: A person who believes in a god or gods
Atheist: A person who does not believe in a god or gods
These provide a few combinations of people that are a bit more specific:
Gnostic Agnostic: Someone who knows that they can’t know anything 100%
Gnostic Theist: Someone who believes in god, and believes that it can be proven.
Gnostic Atheist: Someone who does not believe in god and believes that it can be proven
Agnostic Theist: Someone who believes in god, but doesn’t believe it can be proven.
Agnostic Atheist: Someone who does not believe in god, but doesn’t believe it can be proven.
Now for the last definition – Superstition: The irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome.
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Now, I agree with you that atheists believe things, however, a distinction must be made in what is a justified belief and what isn’t. I’m sure you believe that when you jump up in the air, you will return to earth. This belief is supported by the fact that any previous time you have jumped you have undoubtedly returned to earth and anyone you’ve seen jump has returned to the earth. So this believe is backed up by demonstratable, repeatable evidence. It is justified. If you believed that there was an alien spaceship watching you at all times it wouldn’t be justifiable because you can’t show any evidence proving this spaceship exists.
Saying that someone is superstitious for not believing that black cats cause bad luck is a fallacy. Because there is no logical reason to connect the cat with any ‘bad luck’ the person experiences, a person is justified in saying they don’t believe it is the case. Not believing is not the same as believing the opposite. I don’t believe there are gods because I haven’t seen anything to lead me to that conclusion, but I will freely admit that I cannot prove there aren’t any because you cannot prove a negative and by classifying something as supernatural you are basically saying it can’t be proven.
Is it possible that there is a God or gods? Yes
Is it possible that the world will explode tomorrow? Yes
Is it possible that the world was created yesterday and that we all had false memories planted to make us think it was older? Yes
Is it possible that this entire universe and everything in it is just a vast delusion created by my mind? Yes
Are these things likely to be true? No
I can make any statement I want and it is possible (assuming I don’t use contradictory terms in it) the key is being able to back up our claims with evidence, but we still have to at some point accept the word of people we deem experts and trust that they know what they are doing based on evidence. Do you understand everything about fixing a broken bone? Probably not, but if you break a bone you trust a doctor to fix it for you.
Anyways, rant over.
Ramen,
Peace and Long Life,
Zane
PS: @ Erika #320: The Flying Spaghetti Monster predates the “Go God Go” Episode of South Park by several years. It was used because Dawkins has used our faith as an example that it is just as reasonable to believe in the FSM as to believe in any other religion.
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Hello, Divooneh I am NOT a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of GOD? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe Christianity is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. Then made a book called the bible and got a guy to do all this magic stuff. ( much like Bullshitology)
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HEEELLLLOOOO he just appeared on a wineglass less than a week ago. idiot.
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IS THERE ANY PROOF OF GOD?????? IS THERE ANY PROOF OF GOD?!?!!!?! i could ask that over and over. this is my first comment on what this divooneh person said. Dont you think that maybe christianity happened exactly the way you just explained to all of us? you said at the end of your letter “(just like scientology”). think about what you just said!!!!! i could say the exact same thing and say. “just like christianity!!!) oh my FSM i am fucking mad that this idiots stupidity. look outside the box you moron. there is no proof of any religion!!. “someone to lead them”…same as your god! “someone to show them the way”…same as your god!!!
FSM has the exact same right to be a religion as christianity does and you idiots are bashing it like you bash every other religion! narrow minded morons. NARROW MINDED!!!
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The thought processes behind that letter make me lose faith in the idea of man kind as an intelligent species, much more so than any of the simply insulting letters.
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The proof of our fabulos creator is that as it is also stated in the wonderful writings inspired by the Holy Ghost(our spiritual connector)in the bible is that God chose the foolishnes of preaching over the intellect.
God knows why.
“Another parable he put forth unto them saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while the man slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householders came and said unto him, sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? From whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, wilt thou then we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; Lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest; And in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.” (Matthew 13:24-30).
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Much like christanity
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scientology was invented by a science fiction book writer who lived on a boat with a bunch of cildren and got busted by the FBI several times for child sex offences. i dont remember that ever happening in the pastafarian faith.
suck my nuts you stupid prick.
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I am Christian. I believe that both God and Satan exist. I’ll admit, it takes a certain level of insanity to believe in anything intangible a la the FSM or God. The Bible only makes sense to me half the time, if that. There is no historical evidence or moral argument I could provide to convince Pastafarians that they are wrong. What I do have, however, is a relationship with Jesus and experiences that I find difficult to voice. I have witnessed answered prayers to God, demon-possession and things that FSM, science, and other religions cannot accurately explain. Recently, I have experienced a joyfulness that exceeds emotion. It wasn’t a feeling, it was more like a state of BEING different from existence. And, no, I don’t smoke crack. I have felt a presence like a searching or roaming inside me, looking for a weakness. I am convicted that that was the Devil. I know a quadriplegic woman who went from not being able to do anything, to walking, to finally going to seminary. Completely healed. Explain to me, if you will, if there are any of these occurrences in Pastafarianism.
Agape Love,
Daniel
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EPIC FAIL
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One might answer with: “Just like Christendom” instead of “Scientology”
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Daniel: You bring joy to my world! Finally: A christian who can both spell, AND partake in civlised discussion! I hope Bobby declares this a Pastafarian holiday.
A few points, though.
1: You refer to science as an ‘other religion’, or at least appear to do so considering how the words are placed. That is something you really shouldn’t do. Contrary to religion, science is a VERY big context (big in actual quantity, not so big in philosophic aspects) that refers to documented occurrences, instructions on how to replicate them, and a summary of what we can learn from this or how to interpret the results – in ALL fields of science; psychology, arts (yes, really! you’d be amazed), maths, astronomy, linguistics, physics, chemistry, biology, maybe even old ‘house-cures’ and whatever else. Religion, however, is really nothing more than a philosophic manifest.
2: A feeling of joyfulness exceeding emotion is what I would call being in love. But, I guess that’s just me.
3: A feeling of something prowling around in you looking for weaknesses seems like it could be set off by any number of things. Ask a psychologist if you wish to get scientific theories on that – I won’t insult anyone by trying to analyse you from where I’m sitting.
4: I have no idea at all what ‘quadraplexy’ is, but there is a mysterious thing called placebo-effect that any pharmacist or doctor would have heard about. Sometimes, when testing new medicine on people, some of the control-group gets placebo (dud drugs, yo) instead of the real thing, but neither the administrating doctor nor the patient knows that – and quite a number of the placebo-takers get better as though they got the medicine. At its core, the placebo-effect suggests that if you believe you’ll get better from this or that, you stand a very real chance of making that a reality.
(As for a pastafarian explanation to the healing; I guess the FSM just found a bottle of really fine wine at the time and decided to do something nice out of the good of his heart.)
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Wait, is this letter for real ro are they just messing with us? I find it hard to believe that anybody is this stupid. And yet, here is the proof…
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You know, It’s a bit surprising that this person wishes to apply the precepts of reason to FSM, but doesn’t seem to do that for his own creed. Hell, I’d love to present the proof for FSM once I receive proof for Jesus.
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