Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios to know. I personally believe this is just some silly religion thought up by an over active imaginative mind of someone. Who told others, and the few that believed him were hopeless in life as it was to begin looking for someone to lead them, and show them the way, so they just followed whatever he said. ( much like scientology)
-Divooneh
Hello, I am a Christian
Published by Bobby Henderson October 2nd, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 383 Comments
383 Responses to “Hello, I am a Christian”
You make fun of FSM for being silly and pointless, but FSM is no different than any other religion. You believe in some greater being that in no way can be proven to be in existence. Whats the difference between God and the Flying Spaghetty Monster. You might say, well God isn’t made of pasta. But how would you know? Have you seen him? If you have, then why didn’t you ask him to take a picture?
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That’s how Catholicism started, hon.
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“hey. to all of you, just so you know, I’m a Christian and I think it’s logical. You all might make fun of me and think I’m an idiot for believing in God, but whateverr. I do have foundations for my beliefs. I’m not just thinking God’s there because I’m stupid.
I believe God exists because we have a conscience. Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong. It’s like a universal code– strange, if you think about it– why do we all have the same ideas about morality? If you don’t believe in God you believe in Darwinism (period). So if you don’t believe in God, you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do. Also, if you look in nature, all animals act on instinct. Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision. Natural selection can’t explain that either.
Then there’s the beginning of the universe. Either it always existed, or it was set into motion by an event of some sort. Cosmologists have studied the universe and it’s been shown that the universe contracts and expands (it is currently expanding). And therefore, it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it (it’s logical, cause and effect. No event ever has no preceding cause). And what is a logical possible conclusion? A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.
I know a lot of you say organized religion sucks. And I agree with that in a lot of ways. But it’s not God’s fault that greedy, evil people proclaim in “His name” and go around killing people and stealing their money, is it? The reason for this is that all humanity is still feeling the effects of original sin and walking away from God and doing evil things. But God has to let us make choices. He isn’t going to force us to love him. You can accept or reject him. You can accept him, and ask Christ into your life, ask forgiveness from him for your sins, and have a relationship with God (which is what we are all meant for), or you can spend the rest of your life running away from God and mocking him, and see where that leads (you might think nothing happens when you die. but what if you’re wrong? Then you would be in a bad position).”
Ellen:
First, there is no such thing as Darwinism. It really makes me angry when people say Darwinism.
Second, if you don’t believe in God it does not mean that you have to believe in the works of Charles Darwin. That’s just ridiculous. You could believe in a different god, or that we were created by a race of superaliens, or any number of crazy things. Don’t be ignorant.
Third, we do not all have the same sense of morals. There is not a set moral code. For example, I have nothing against abortions and am strongly pro-choice. You are most likely anti-choice, and are probably outraged by the fact that anyone could support abortions (which isn’t really what pro-choice means but that’s another comment). That is only one of many, many examples. It means that there is no set moral code and that we develop our own by the way we are raised.
Fourth, saying that humans are the only animals on Earth that can make a conscious decision is a falsehood, plain and simple. Many animals can decide for themselves as well as rely on their instincts. In many cases in the wild, relying on instincts is just the more logical choice for survival.
Fifth, I do not claim to know anything about the origins of the universe. However, saying “God” and “logical” in the same sentence is ridiculous unless “is not” is between them, okay? There are many theories that are actually logical, though they may not seem so to you because you are blinded by your God Delusion.
Sixth, stop trying to convert people. The purpose of this website is to make fun of organized religion. We do not care about the greatness of your invisible sky man or your cosmic Jewish zombie that’s his own father. So yeah.
Praise FSM.
RAmen.
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hey, how can i join this religion? I want to be a pastafarian,too. It´s a great idea. I hate the Christianity!!! Ohh, will the pope spank me know??
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Ellen, dear. I’m not going to say that you are stupid for believing in something… that’s your business, not mine. Belief is ok, it’s when people try to use religion to rape science or suppress ideas (or kill/torture/oppress people) that I get a bit testy.
“you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do”
Is it? The brighther ones (apes/early humans) found more efficient ways to survive and thereby got to mate and pass on their genes to their offspring… repeat this for as bit and you end up with fairly bright people running about and that intellect enables us to make conscious decisions and (for most of us) engage in rational thought.
As for conscience, well… a byproduct of our intellect. Besides, we don’t all share the same idea of what is right or wrong or what is “moral”. (For example; the people who thought it was ok to break my ribs for being a “fucking homo” found that perfectly right and moral whereas I think that was a pretty horrid, not to mention wrong, thing to do. Ahem… but no reason to get personal. What I’m trying to say is that the idea of right and wrong is clearly neither “built in” nor universal.)
Sorry for being a tad simplistic here… but it’s late and I’m a little drunk.
Oh… and I’m not entirely sure why I should ask “Jesus” for forgiveness? When I fuck up I apologize to the people affected by it… Besides what is a “sin” anyway?
Well… onwards to late-night snacktime. I’ll get going before I’m arrested for TUI (Typing Under the Influence).
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@Ellen, thanks for having the courage to actually discuss your beliefs without resorting to the abuse we so often receive from christians.
It’s pointless to try and make you see how flawed your beliefs are because I think you would keep believing the jesus fairy tale no matter what.
I agree with you about the universe – that we don’t yet understand the beginning or how, if it is expanding, then expanding into what??
All great questions to keep us staring into space and wondering but to give up and say ‘well we can’t come up with a logical explanation so it must have been a super duper being which we’ll call god’ is to me such a defeatist, lazy explanation of anything.
As for beleiving that you have the moral upper ground because you are too conceited to research the lies you’ve been brainwashed into taking for granted, well I think you that makes you very naive to say the least.
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I am currently reading an interesting book entitled “The Corruption of Reality: A Unified Theory of Religion, Hypnonis, and Psychopathology” by John Shumaker. The book explains many of the phenomena we encouter in the hate mailings of these redneck idiots.
Basically, Schumaker contends that somewhere in our evolution as our brains became larger and more conplex, hominids came to realize that life was nasty, brutish and short (an observation of Thomas Hobbes some 300 years ago), and as a consequence it created psychological states which inhibited the survival and replication capability of our early ancestors–in short, in becoming conscious of their own mortality, our ancestors became too smart for their own good. As a result, the homininid mind evolved further so it could in effect create two or more tracks of belief, including beliefs which at some level do not conform to reality, but which the organism might nonetheless find useful for survial and replication–eg the ability to believe the bullshit that is religion.
We can see the manifestation of this multi-cameral consciousness in any number of ways. For example, western culture has learned to induce processes such as hypnois which bypass the critical, rational, reality sensing faculty and install beliefs in an individual. The example Schumaker gives is a man can be hypnotized into believing that in a room filled with 10 chairs that his wife is simultaneously sitting in each and every chair at the same time. But, at the same time if the man is told it’s time to go home and his wife is driving, if the real wife is in the room, he will walk right up to her and say “Let’s go, honey.”
Religion, he contends works the same way. We harbor silly beliefs such as having guardian angels who are there to protect us from physical harm, yet we don’t walk in front of speeding traffic.
He then goes on to point out that religion is in fact very similar to hypnosis. Use of things like chants, littanies, prayers sung aloud in front of a congregation of believers are a form of group hypnonis, amd the hypnotic induction is strengthened every Sunday at serives.
ONe of the unfortunate side effects of this is having such abilities opens the brain to phychopatholigies, which, he contends are really nothing more than delusions not shared in common with other members of society(which of course is what religious beliefs are).
So there you have it, religion is a form of hypnosis which is the side effect of an evolutionary adaptation designed to allow humans to function survive and replicate in the face of the sure and certain knowledge that they and everyone they know will oneday die.
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Excuse me, but being a former Catholic (then atheist(following Pastafareanierism)) but, Christianity is just as silly to me as The FSM is to you. Anyways, Where’s the proof of your god? I’d like to know. I hate how you people are always going on and on about how good and holy you are with your Bible. A favourite of mine is Abstenant Christians saying how we must repent our sins, and not have sexual intercoarse before marriage…but what about your Virgin Mary? She was only about 14 in reality…when she was prego, if that’s okay, then why can’t others do so?
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believe God exists because we have a conscience.
Ok , till now its maybe possible ….
Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong.
UHHHHHH no …. Actually right and wrong is a society decision over what we can do and canot do to live happy in society . Shakespear said : There’s no morality , only thinking made it so . That actually means that we created morality and morality isn’t the same for everyone , for someone stealing is absolutely out of the question and there’s for exemple gouvernements that made their job about liying and stealing people …see the idea ?
why do we all have the same ideas about morality?
Again like I said earlier , morality is different for everyone , we may use the same basis , but it is not fondamental rules that everyone one follows blindly , like theire religious believes for exemple .
Also, if you look in nature, all animals act on instinct. Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision.
UHHHHHHHHH again . There’s proofs that monkeys can lie . When they do it is in a humoristic way , they lie because they are joking …. so when you are liying you can tell to someone you made them a monkey joke to pass the message easier …. there’s proofs that dalphins are just as bright as a young child , the only real difference between humans and the rest of the animal world is : we have an advance language and we have a better sence of adaptation , we can adapt ourselves really fast to almost every situations , the animals need to create physic adaptation of their environements over generations to adapat to situations .
Then there’s the beginning of the universe. Cosmologists have studied the universe and it’s been shown that the universe contracts and expands (it is currently expanding). And therefore, it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it (it’s logical, cause and effect. No event ever has no preceding cause). And what is a logical possible conclusion? A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.
UHHHHHHHHHHH again and again ….
Like I wrote in the prof’s comment in page 2 or 3 now …. the idea of the big bang as the creation of the universe is the most plausible idea . The thesis is : there was just one atome , this atome exploded and the explosion is the big bang . The explosion made by the atome is expanding to its maximum before retracting to the orignial source , the first atome . After few billions and billions of years the implosion will recreated the first atome and wipe the complete universe . Then that atome will reblow and an other universe will be created . If we follow this idea , we can think we are maybe the 10th or 10000000th generation of universe …. is god loving us so much that he wiped the 1000000th other universe just to create us and wipe us again ?
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> Hello, I am a Christian, and I would just like to know, is
> their any proof of FSM? If so can you please show me the
> proof, or explain it to me over the web please, I am curios
> to know.
Have you never heard of FAITH you christian heathen!!
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the bible is not proof of religious shit…some hobo got bored and wrote a fucking book. yea big whoop, i can write a book too
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Reply to neal post #207 – October 4th… wow… that book sounds fascinating… but I’m not sure how the schizophrenic mind division “inhibited the survival and replication capability of our early ancestors”… does the author think it’s a sort of “suicidal meme” with the benefit of killing off those of our ancestors who were too aware of their mortality? At the end of your mail you seem to contradict that idea by saying it is “an evolutionary adaptation designed to allow humans to survive in the face of the certain knowledge that they and everyone they know will die one day”
This idea of the dual nature of our psychology, divided between perception of reality and beliefs which do not conform to reality is something I’ve already noticed (I mention it in my post #2472 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”) where I said:
“In fact religious belief is almost schizophrenic because many people say they believe something which we all know is absurd, like Christ turned water into wine or his mum was a virgin, but deep down in the pre-conscious mind they know it’s absurd so if they met someone who claimed to turn water into wine or said his mum was a virgin, they certainly wouldn’t believe him, and they would think he was mad… even if he really did turn water into wine or his mum really was a virgin! So they make a schizophrenic division between their daily lives and what they CLAIM to believe, usually in order to be accepted in the community of other believers. So religious belief exists in this isolated absurd dimension where there is a suspension of reality and rationality.”
(excuse the self quotation, but it saves you the trouble of opening the link.. unless you want to read some more of my mental ramblings!)
I had never thought of this “multi-cameral consciousness” as an evolutionary advantage… I thought it was just a wilful form of blindness to the truth of death and the fruit of a desperate childish desire for stability and certainty… anyway I’ll hopefully get my hands on “The Corruption of Reality: A Unified Theory of Religion, Hypnosis, and Psychopathology” by John Shumaker and find out how schizophrenic mind division helped our ancestors!
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Reply to german atheist post#2204 – October 4th
how can you join this religion? just eat pasta! wir sind die pasta-fressern! Der Fliegender Spaghetti Ungeheuer bleibt mit uns!
will the pope spank you now?? I’m sure he would like to! (das würde ihm sicherlich gefallen!)
Please correct my crappy Kauderwelschdeutsch… I love your strong teutonic language, but I never get those fucking articles and adjective declensions right!
PS ich gruße mein freund Fliegener Nudeln!
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Reply to Ni post #205)
It’s true that Ellen (I couldn’t find her Post!) is being simplistic by saying “you are attempting to explain human conscience and conscious thought from a natural selection/macroevolution standpoint, which is hard to do”
and KatieBug (post #203) adds “I believe God exists because we have a conscience. Every one on this Earth knows the difference between right and wrong.”
We need a bit of cultural relativity here!
Your explanation is very clear: The brighter early humans found more efficient ways to survive and thereby got to mate and pass on their genes to their offspring…
Of course collaboration and mutual respect is a good survival strategy (Dawkins describes that perfectly in “the selfish Gene” with a computerised mathematical analysis as proof!) and this explains the origins of “morality”
I have just posted some reflections on morality (in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter” shortly after post #2472) in which I talk about the relationship between morality, epistemology, metaphysics and ontology (or knowledge and how we get it) and how they can lead to humorism
I’m gonna post something more about morality in that section of this site, probably tomorrow!
Basically I think that you can’t have a true morality without any knowledge or idea of reality… otherwise you can’t apply morality to anything real. Since the morality of most religious belief systems is based on a distorted perception of reality and a partial or limited idea of the truth that explains why believers have often done such horrible things in the name of their own twisted morality, such as burning people alive, stoning them to death, forcing them to follow silly rules and regulations and generally repressing the free manifestations of the spirit and the intellect whenever they might seem to contradict the rigid canons and rules of the dominant authority’s belief systems and religions.
In my post #2469) I talk about the enlightening moral effects of science: “… if the west still believed exclusively in Christianity we would probably still be subject to periodic plague epidemics and would be persecuting or burning homosexuals and handicapped people and everyone with original ideas… in fact many Christians are still trying to persecute those with original ideas… (the persecution of original ideas has been a constant feature of Christianity ever since its institutionalisation under the Emperor Constantine)”
Anyway I’m sorry to hear that you had your own brush with intolerance and fanaticism by the modern-day troglodytes who thought it was ok to break your ribs for being a “fucking homo”… may the FSM smite them down and consign them to everlasting sexual frustration (I think they probably suffer form that already tho’ which is why they can’t accept alternative forms of sexuality!)
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@Katiebug, you stated the purpose of this site is to ridicule religion. While that’s fun, I disagree. It’s to stop the ridiculous attempt of the Crationists to pass off their absurd beliefs as science in schools.
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@tris (#214)
Mein guten Freund Tris,
Es argert mich das ich auch nicht gut Deutsch aufschreibt. But I’m sure that you figured that out when I failed to make “funnel cake” a compound word, “Trichterkuchen,” nicht wahr?
The posts regarding the separation of religious belief and secular science suggest that the human brain is able to construct “logic-tight compartments” with the flow of communication blocked between them. As suggested, hypnosis is one way to block flow, but I think we also tend to construct barriers to enclose things that are unpleasant or that conflict with our needs. This, I think, is true of subjects other than religion. Another word for these barriers is “denial.” We fool ourselves sometimes without an external hypnotist.
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The Pastafarian Church is a lovely mirror for any and all detractors, and such detractors would be very wise indeed to realize this before opening their mouths to speak. Anything they say against His Noodly Goodness can be turned immediately around upon them with exactly a zero percent chance of error.
I just purchased an FSM for my car. Can’t wait until the ship is done!
RAmen
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Reply to XIII (post #209) who is evidently replying to a certain Ellen (also quoted by KatieBug… but which post number is this mysterious Ellen? I can’t find it and I wish people would specify who or what they are replying to… at first I thought KatieBug was a fanatic… then I realised she was quoting one!):
Anyway you (XIII) pointed out that as well as her illogical leaping to conclusions “I believe God exists because we have a conscience” (see my previous post) she also gets it wrong when she says “Humans are the only beings on this Earth which have the ability to make a conscious decision.”…
Why oh why do Christians have such an elevated sense of their own importance and that of their own species? It must be something to do with having an anthropomorphic god: their thoughts become even more anthropocentric than usual! Schopenhauer wrote about this, I believe… If we still believed in the Egyptian animal-gods, rather than following the Christian, capitalist and colonialist ethos, we probably wouldn’t have fucked up the whole planet with pollution and we wouldn’t have eliminated entire species or destroyed rain forests
You also put her right when she mistakenly says: “it’s very likely the universe had a beginning! Therefore, something outside the universe must have started it… A higher power brought the universe into being, i.e., some sort of God.” (!)
I agree that of course the big bang and “big crunch” model contains an explanation for the origin of OUR PRESENT UNIVERSE, but we still don’t know what (if anything caused the FIRST universe!… but really… who gives a fuck?! It’s just as likely to have been a spaghetti monster as an old guy with a beard… or maybe there never even was a first universe… the whole thing never even began… so nothing actually caused it or set it all off… As Einstein points out it makes no sense to talk about previous time when there was no space! Time depends on space and vice-versa! It therefore makes no sense to talk about anything “before” or “outside” time or space (and Einstein believed in God!). Let’s accept that our knowledge has a limit and not invent weird and wacky explanations to fill in the gaps… there are so many real things we could be thinking about and doing!
So that’s enough chit chat for now!
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Lieber Fliegenden Nudeln (#216)
Actually I figured it out (your non-teutonicity!) because you were too polite (saying Euer instead of Dein or Sein!) and then you don’t use enough umlauts! Anyway nobody’s perfect and I wanted to thank you for teaching me the word “Trichter”!
However I don’t quite agree with what you say about the separation of religious belief and secular science being a sort of block or “denial”.
I think they truly are separate ways of thinking (see my post #2469 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”):
“… there is a fundamental distinction between Christianity and science. The first is based on a set of ancient texts, traditions and mostly obsolete belief systems, which have continued in a modified or deformed way until the present day, while the second is based on rational observation and logical analysis of our observable world. (………….)
Trying to replace the (…) modern scientific and rational forms of thought with such ancient non-scientific belief systems and superstitions is (…) arrogant and dangerous and could lead the world into another “dark age” of ignorance, intolerance and conflict.”
Of course, in order to analyse things and understand them we have to separate them… that’s what logical scientific thought is all about! Otherwise everything would be total confusion and non-distinction. Of course scientific thought has its limits and the mystical attitude of contemplation goes beyond it… but we all know that mystic states of consciousness are incommunicable… otherwise we would all be Buddhas and all this science versus religion debate wouldn’t even exist! No debate of any kind would exist… we’d all be sitting on out mountaintops contemplating the wonder of cosmic unity!
It’s true that we “tend to construct barriers” to avoid dealing with difficult problems… but sometimes distinctions are necessary in our daily lives! Nicht wahr, mein Freund?!
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P.S. Fliegenden Nudeln… I think you meant “Mein guter Freund”! (Ich weiß… Es ist sehr schwierig auf Deutsch sich gut aus zu drücken!)
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@tris
Es heißt DAS fleigende Spaghettimonster:D…and yes i´ll eat a lot of pasta (Ich werde viel Pasta essen)
PS Gruß zurück
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I used to be Christian and I had absolutely no problem with this. In fact, I converted! I hate that people can be so close-minded, but some of their hate mail is pretty funny.
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Any proof towards God? God is just something people made up because they don’t know how things work. Fire? Magic man dun it. Life? Magic man dun it. earth? Magic man dun it. Now we HAVE the answers. ” Magic man says we should kill those who don’t believe in our magic man! 10 years later: MILLIONS of dead people.
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hello, i am a pastafarian, and i would like to know, is there any proof of god? if so, can you please show us the proof or explain it to me over the web please, i am curious to know.
i think we are all curious.
please, do tell.
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“As for conscience, well… a byproduct of our intellect. Besides, we don’t all share the same idea of what is right or wrong or what is “moral”. (For example; the people who thought it was ok to break my ribs for being a “fucking homo” found that perfectly right and moral whereas I think that was a pretty horrid, not to mention wrong, thing to do. Ahem… but no reason to get personal. What I’m trying to say is that the idea of right and wrong is clearly neither “built in” nor universal.)”
Some people call themselves “christians’ and still do what’s wrong. They may say they think it’s right, but deep down they DO know it’s wrong… I’m sorry they did that… They’re not real Christians, I’m sorry they gave you the wrong idea. The idea of Christianity is to become more like Christ, and that’s something Jesus never would have done… All the people that society and the religious leaders hated and spit on, were the ones he showed love… Did you know Jesus hung out with “sinners, tax collectors, and prostitutes”? So he could show them love and show them himself. Real Christians are not supposed to beat up people they consider to be “sinners” because they believe something different. Real Christians show people love so they can act like Christ to a person that doesn’t know Christ, so that person can come to know Jesus too. Real Christians know that they themselves are sinners too, and they shouldn’t judge other people, because the only reason we are Christians is because Jesus made us clean of sin with his blood, and it’s not our place to judge. Personally, I believe that homesexuality is not how God intended human sexuality to be, but I still love some one if they’re gay. My cousin and my aunt are both gay and I love them both a lot because they’re really awesome.
I still think we all have a universal idea about right and wrong, we just CHOOSE to deny it, say it isn’t there, or go against it anyway. We’re all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. And we all need his grace.
“Oh… and I’m not entirely sure why I should ask “Jesus” for forgiveness? When I fuck up I apologize to the people affected by it… Besides what is a “sin” anyway?”
A sin is defined as doing something morally wrong. God created right and wrong, and when we sin, we turn away from that, turn away from God’s way, and decide we can do it our own way, that we don’t need God. Like Adam and Eve (I know you guys are going to rip me apart for believing in Adam and Eve but whatever), how God told them not to eat from that one tree, but they did it anyway because they thought they knew better. And they didn’t know better. Eating from the tree and disobeying God (another definition of sin: disobeying God) separated them from him and now they had to go through death and sickness and everything, and their sin defiled the rest of humanity with original sin. Sin is a combination of selfishness and pride. And disobeying God, often hurting another person in the process. So the reason you need to apologize to God is because not only did you hurt another person by sinning, but you disobeyed his rules and spit in his face. You ask Jesus for forgiveness because you need to be cleansed from sin and asking him for forgiveness is the only way to do that. And if you don’t, you won’t have salvation. So you should do it!
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“Second, if you don’t believe in God it does not mean that you have to believe in the works of Charles Darwin. That’s just ridiculous. You could believe in a different god, or that we were created by a race of superaliens, or any number of crazy things. Don’t be ignorant.”
I’m not saying that people that don’t believe in the god I believe in believe in atheism. I’m saying that if you don’t believe in A god (the stuff I said about God creating the universe could be applied to any god!) then you believe in Atheism. Because the root of the word atheism: a(meaning not, against, or whatever)+theism, meaning not believing in a god. argh.
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“First, there is no such thing as Darwinism. It really makes me angry when people say Darwinism.”
Look, I made a mistake with one word ok. I don’t pretend to be an expert on the English language or everything in science, I’m just saying why I believe something. Is it really a big deal if I make a mistake with one word? Does it mean I’m ignorant and a complete idiot if I make a mistake with one word? You really don’t know me well enough to call me ignorant.
Fifth, I do not claim to know anything about the origins of the universe. However, saying “God” and “logical” in the same sentence is ridiculous unless “is not” is between them, okay? There are many theories that are actually logical, though they may not seem so to you because you are blinded by your God Delusion.”
You may think my God thing is a Delusion, but I don’t. That just means our beliefs are different. Don’t call me deluded just because I believe in God, and I won’t call you deluded for whatever you believe in. And have you explored the possibility of God? If you haven’t, I could say you are deluded and ignorant for that, too, because you haven’t explored it enough to know it’s real, and I could say that your “Evolution Delusion” or whatever it is you believe in, is clouding you from even looking at ideas about a God, or creationism, or whatever.
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“The purpose of this website is to make fun of organized religion. We do not care about the greatness of your invisible sky man or your cosmic Jewish zombie that’s his own father. So yeah.”
That’s not fair. You could take ANY spiritual belief (ie, believing in evolution, etc) and skew it to make it sound idiotic. You’re just trying to make me sound stupid. IF i knew what your beliefs are, I could say something similar and make you sound stupid too. Please don’t hate on me because my beliefs are different than yours, and I won’t hate on you, k? I just want to share my beliefs because they are important to me, and I want to explain why I believe what I believe, because some people think all theists are idiots… I want to back up my beliefs, because I hate to see people call my beliefs a fairy tale with no foundation.
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The proof of our noodly master is all over this website and youtube. none of us here are fools, so do not compare us to $cientology.
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@ellen:) and some others: FWIW, I think that your tolerant tone does you credit, truly. One point, however, that will have to bear repetition until Christians (amongst other offenders blessed with faith) GET IT is: believing in evolution is *not* a faith or a spiritual belief. It’s *not*. It’s an intellectual position that includes the possibility of being “wrong” and the means for improving one’s understanding – i.e., being much less “wrong”. Engineers don’t pray for a machine to work, they calculate and experiment, and if the machine crashes, they work to find out why. That view has been won at terrible cost, believe it or not, and it is worth preserving against the attacks of anybody who imagines that their “faith” makes them always “right”.
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“You may think my God thing is a Delusion, but I don’t. That just means our beliefs are different. Don’t call me deluded just because I believe in God, and I won’t call you deluded for whatever you believe in. And have you explored the possibility of God? If you haven’t, I could say you are deluded and ignorant for that, too, because you haven’t explored it enough to know it’s real, and I could say that your “Evolution Delusion” or whatever it is you believe in, is clouding you from even looking at ideas about a God, or creationism, or whatever.”
I was raised staunchly Episcopalian and attended church most Sundays for the first ten years of my life. I didn’t hold much stock in God even as a young child and summed up my beliefs as “I believe in God, and that’s where it ends”. The more I thought about it as I got older, the more I realized that I didn’t believe in God and that I was just parroting what I’d been fed since birth. I thought I was a bad person, so I started reading the bible. As I read I realized exactly how ridiculous all of it was. So yes, I “explored the possibility of God” and found at a young age through my own means that I thought that God was and is ridiculous.
You could take ANY spiritual belief (ie, believing in evolution, etc) and skew it to make it sound idiotic.
The problem with this is that evolution is not a spiritual belief. It is a scientific theory with testable proof that shows the same results every time and has more evidence than the theory of gravity. Sure, you could probably make it sound ridiculous, but that doesn’t take away that it is based in fact. Yes, you could make ANY spiritual belief sound idiotic, and all religions frequently DO make other religions sound ridiculous to strengthen the appearance of their own faiths. If you had been born in the Middle East, there is a 99.9% certainty that you would be Islamic, and yet you probably think that Islam is a ridiculous religion. Religions are what you are raised to believe, and unless you have spent a significant of time studying and living every religion, it is completely fair to call you ignorant. I’ll admit that I’m ignorant in most religions, but I’m not claiming that my god is better than anyone else’s, I’m claiming that I don’t see logic in any of their gods and that evolution makes complete sense to me.
And I’m honestly not trying to “hate on you”. Sometimes I just get too passionate and come off as a complete bitch, but it’s not intentional. It’s just that everything about this website makes it completely clear that we don’t want to hear your defenses for your religion..
Sorry if I offended you.
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TheFewTheProudTheMarinara, Post 215:
Hah, you’re right. I guess the two are just sort of synonymous in my mind :] Thanks for the catch, though.
Ellen’s original post is number 184.
Tris, post 214:
I didn’t say that… I think you may have gotten from my quote from Ellen, which was the first part of my post. But I didn’t say that.
Ellen :), Post 227:
The problem wasn’t with the word Darwinism or with your specific use of it. It simply makes me angry that people think that there is some sort of faith based organization of “Darwinists”, and there isn’t. It wasn’t specifically about you, it’s just one of my big pet peeves. Again, sorry if I offended.
Ellen :), Post 226:
To clarify, what you originally said was that people that don’t believe in a god are “Darwinists” which does not imply Atheists. Also, there are things other than Atheists that don’t believe in a god. Atheists are just the common ones. Actually, Agnostics are probably more common, but I’m not if they count because they “don’t know”. Buddhists don’t have a god, they have a teacher. I’m just saying that you were making a very broad and very incorrect generalization about something you probably don’t know as much about as you think.
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#206 Noodlenut
A lot of people don’t understand what the infinite universe is expanding into. It’s a problem because language created in our day to day lives isn’t really up to the task, “Expanding” isn’t the right word for describign an infinite universe involving more than 3 dimentions. Stretching is better but still inadequate. Take a look at http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274 for a much more in depth discussion.
Ellen – thank you for putting your views clearly and politely. Morallity isn’t fixed – the need for living in communities is. To keep communities together we create moral codes and laws to structure them. Laws and moral codes do change from community to community. In lower animals such as wolves, similar communities exist; wolf packs have their own laws (imposed by the pack leader).
Everything inside the universe needed to have a beginning because time exists inside the universe. Time is part of the universe and does not exist outside of it. The question of what was before the universe is pointless as there was no time for ‘before’ to relate to. This is of course a lot of theory, not all of which has been proved but it does have a solid foundation in scientific observation and mathematics. There is no evidence to say what caused the universe; unfortunatley it’s common for religions to assume that if no explaination for something exists, their God is the answer. That’s just silly and causes problems because if an answer is found later Religious groups resists these new ideas as balsphamy; the motion of the planets is an old example of this (religion lost), evolution theory is a current example.
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Ye know it’d be kinda funny if Jesus (the one that came back to life) turned out to be a sadistic time travellin actor from the future. Not sure if it would work but the idea makes me laugh
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This shit is just too fuuny! It really shows you the “mind” of a christian when you read this hate mail. How could anyone other than a “believer” see this website and not know it’s a spoof on the nonsense of religion? This is just more proof of how gullible and stupid these people are and why they bought into religion in the first place. Only someone with this type of “mind” would not know this website is making fun of them, lol.
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Reply to german atheist Post#221
Oh my monster! So it’s DAS fliegende Spaghettimonster?? (you wrote fliegende wrong… it seems even Germans find their language hard!) So that means His tentacles aren’t prehensile penises??
He’s neuter? So I should be saying “ITS tentacles” and “IT’S neuter”?
Oh well, I can get on OK with that! (see my post #2430 in the section of this site called “Comment on the Open Letter”): “what makes you sure that He (the FSM) is not a She or an it?? Is his “noodly appendage” a giant (albeit very thin) prehensile penis??”
I’m trying not to eat too much pasta… I ate it every day for a year und bin zu dick geworden!
PS is “Gruß zurück“ a greeting or a request?
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Reply to Post#232 KatieBug
Yeah, My bad! I then read your mail #203 till the end and realised that you didn’t say that yourself and were quoting Ellen! I’m sorry!
But it WAS the first part of your post… and you DIDNT say who you were quoting!
And I didn’t see the inverted comma (due to crap computer screen)!
Anyway thanks for pointing me to the source of my error in Ellen’s original post number 184!
Actually in my post #218 I said “I wish people would specify who or what they are replying to… at first I thought KatieBug was a fanatic… then I realised she was quoting one!”
May the great FSM forgive us our trespasses and not lead me into temptation again!
Let me just pray for a second (repetita iuvant!):
Our monster so great, such art in the plate
Hallowed be thy scrummy yummy juicy sauces
Thy kingdom come, some day, but not too late:
Before we move onto our second courses!
Give us this day our daily pasta
And forgive us if we sometimes overcook it
As we forgive them who eat it much faster
(The important thing is not to overlook it!)
And lead us not into false consummation
Of dire dodgy dishes: nasty noodles or Ramen
For thine is the source of the saucy sensation
Forever and ever Spaghetti Monster amen!
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I was born a Christian, read the bible daily, went to church weekly, studied other religions in high school and started to raise my son as a Christian. Around the time he was 4 or 5, he was questioning whether there was a tooth fairy, santa clause and god. I let him come to his own conclusions based on the evidence available. He believed in santa the longest because he could see the evidence.
After the christian god killed off several people close to me including 2 babies, I did a lot of soul searching and realized that either this god with a plan was an asshole or he didn’t really exist. So Ellen:) & Divooneh it is lovely that you have something to believe in, but you will have to forgive us if your writings don’t move us to believe. Many of us have studied various religions at some point in our lives, whether because we were born into it or out of curiosity and have not found reason enough to blindly believe.
I suggest you read the origins of the FSM, chill out, have a beer and realize that we don’t need religion to be moral and to have wonderful lives. You should try it. It is quite liberating.
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Strange, I am a Scientologist and I find the site, the concept of the FSM funny as hell, and wow, I never just follow someone or accept blindly what anyone says just because the person is a leader or an authority. I believe very firmly in thinking for myself and I only accept something if it agrees with me and what I can perceive.
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Moral values can actually be attributed to the human condition. The moral rule of not committing murder is simple. People don’t want to be murdered so they don’t want others committing murder. The moral rule of not stealing; well people don’t want their things stolen so they made a rule about not stealing. All you have to do is have some one you know murdered or your stuff stolen to see how it is bad (from experience). To say that morality came from God is definitely selling his creations short.
I believe in God, however I despise organized religion. All of them paint God is a petulant, jealous, angry entity. What Supreme Being would act like that? Honestly five years olds behave better than most religions depict their God as behaving. And what kind of pathetic Supreme Being couldn’t have mapped out the universe from the big bang to evolution? Seriously most religions need to revisit their depiction of God because is severely lacking.
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“And have you explored the possibility of God?”
You can’t be serious! For most of us it took years to deprogram ourselves from the brainwashing we received as children.
See, that’s the only reason religion still exists. If you waited until people were old enough to think for themselves before introducing the odd concepts of religion to them, they’d think you mad.
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I thought the flying spagetti monster was god. If you are a firm believer like me, faith has guided you to the real creator and no one can change that with science or reality. THe monster created. end of story.
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“The problem with this is that evolution is not a spiritual belief. It is a scientific theory with testable proof that shows the same results every time and has more evidence than the theory of gravity. Sure, you could probably make it sound ridiculous, but that doesn’t take away that it is based in fact.”"
Well, it’s not a spiritual belief, but it is a belief which says the spiritual does not exist. It pretains to your beliefs about the spiritual world in that atheists say the spiritual world doesn’t exist. Also, why do you say it’s “based in fact”? I know you only say it has “base” in fact, but it’s not absolute fact. Sure, you have evidence you can point to, but I also have evidence I can point to for Intelligent Design (which, unlike a lot of the people on this website say, it does have substantial evidence to support its claims). Chew on this: If you have a super computer and a worm, which one is more complex? If you study them, it’s the worm. Really. And nobody would ever suggest that a super-computer could have developed through random changes of nature with no intelligent designer. We know that it was created by humans, and humans have intelligence. So, if a worm, which compared to other creatures like mammals is really simple, is more complicated than something that needs a designer to make it work, like a super computer, then how could this worm, or other more complicated species, have come out from random chance? Order just can’t spontaneously errupt out of disorder without an intelligent force behind it. That’s what Intelligent Design is about.
“To clarify, what you originally said was that people that don’t believe in a god are “Darwinists” which does not imply Atheists. Also, there are things other than Atheists that don’t believe in a god. Atheists are just the common ones. Actually, Agnostics are probably more common, but I’m not if they count because they “don’t know”. Buddhists don’t have a god, they have a teacher. I’m just saying that you were making a very broad and very incorrect generalization about something you probably don’t know as much about as you think.”
Actually, Buddhists do believe that there are gods, they just believe that there are many of them, and they’re not powerful enough to be important. Their main concern is acheiving Nirvana, not worshipping gods. And what I meant by “Darwinists” was traditional atheists who believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution. Sorry for my incorrectness :-0 I do know that not every one who’s not Christian believes in evolution, lol, but I’m just saying that if you’re not a theist, you’re most likely an agnostic or atheist.
“Yes, you could make ANY spiritual belief sound idiotic, and all religions frequently DO make other religions sound ridiculous to strengthen the appearance of their own faiths. If you had been born in the Middle East, there is a 99.9% certainty that you would be Islamic, and yet you probably think that Islam is a ridiculous religion” I don’t think Islam is a ridiculous religion, I just don’t think they’re right. And I’m not just a Christian because I was raised in a Christian home(although I admit I was raised in a Christian home, lol). Jesus has had a big impact on my life, and I choose to trust him, that’s why I’m a Christian. Yeah freaky i know :P
“I thought I was a bad person, so I started reading the bible. As I read I realized exactly how ridiculous all of it was. So yes, I “explored the possibility of God” and found at a young age through my own means that I thought that God was and is ridiculous.”
Just wondering, what about it was ridiculous to you? What parts of the Bible did you read? Because the Old Testament is pretty boring in certain parts, but I actually find the New Testament to be really enlightening and I don’t know what you could find wrong with Jesus’ teachings. What did you think about it when you were reading it?
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This satire that you speak of … can you please show me the proof that it exists? Or explain it to me over the web please, I am curious to know.
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“Divooneh, can you please show me some PROOF that ‘God’ exists and isn’t created by a fool who talked with a burning bush and walked for more then -was it 40? – years in the desert? (btw, now a days they lock you up in a very special place if you talk to a burning bush)”
That’s why people these days wax, rather than burn, for their personal dilapatory needs.
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Andrea Said (post 9):
“Hello, I am a Pastafaria, and I would just like….”
YAE, ME FSM TAKES TA FLESH!!! THAR SHE COMES, BOYS! THAR SHE COMES!!! The COMIN of OUR LORD BE HERE!!!!!……
Oh, NAE…She not be THE Pastafaria, she be a Pastafarian, like us… Damn, me Buckos, thought Our Day of Eternal Pasta and Grog be near, but nae….
Andrea Said (post 10):
“*PastafariaN..”
O Sweet Andrea, plez be karful wit yer speel-cheek. Me thinks Our Savior be here, at last…Oh, wait…DO we hav a Savior. Damn, if I can set down my pint long nuf to red and member The Gospel, me’d know. O well, I be warded wit a BIG sloppy plate o pasta fer me consolashun.
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@ tris (#219)
(Re: my post # 216) “Logic-Tight Compartments” is a metaphor for mental processes that are not understood, but are readily observed in everyday life. For example, among my acquaintances are scientists who function rationally in the application of the scientific method, yet cling to religious beliefs that contradict their scientific knowledge. Consider a scientist who conducts research using radioactive tracer techniques, and yet believes that God created the universe and man in six days about 6,000 years ago.
You suggested that schizophrenia may be an explanation for religious belief. I agree, especially for those who claim to hear the voice of God directing them to act in some way. An extreme form of schizophrenia is the expression of multiple personalities by an individual. The “compartments” in such cases can be extremely “leakproof.”
I am not suggesting that “Logic-Tight Compartments” explain religious belief. I am only indicating how these compartments allow an individual to maintain contradictory, concurrent mental paradigms. I believe this is not at odds with what you have said, nicht wahr?
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Reply to Ornj Post#223 October 5th
I like you8r succinct way of expressing religion:
Fire? Magic man dun it! Life? Magic man dun it! Earth? Magic man dun it! Our Magic man says to kill those who don’t believe in Him!
Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it! Dun it!
It’s really scary that people still think like that 10,000 years after we left the caves… I guess their brains are still hankering after the simple life back there in the caves….
I don’t quite have your gift of synthesis, but I’m working on it!
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@TRIS. The thing which “inhibited the survival and replication functions of early hominids” was consciousness of the shortness and brutality of life occasioned by brain evolution which allowed those beings to know about death without the ability to mitigate this knowledge by also having the ability to create belief systems which allow things like “life after death”. In short, the ability to be religious is an evolutionary adaptation hominids underwent so they wouldn’t be so depressed about their mortality as to give up before they could replicate.
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And, as with most posters who doubt FSM, but not their own version of The FSM (particularly hate-mailers), we say:
“Like a horse with blinders on, we limit our own vision.” -unknown
Being as Pastafarians tend to be more literate and thoughtful than most, I am hopeful that one or more of you can enlighten me as to who first said this. I first heard it in a theology class in the 1970’s but cannot remember for certain whether the author is recent or centuries dead. It has stuck with me ever since, but unfortunately, the manual I wrote it in has long since disappeared.
(It was a pre-college class at a Catholic high school, if that helps, but Catholicism was subservient to philosophy.)
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