Comments on: where did the first big rock come from and what hit it? http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:02:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: CrudOMatic http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-917879 CrudOMatic Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:19:48 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-917879 Simple answer is that you can never know (won't get into religion "knowing" - you seem like a nice person and I don't want to hurt your feelings, unlike all the other nasty religious people that come here). TRUE Scientists never claim to know origin, just processes - as you as a science teacher should know already. If there was a previous universe, then of course all knowledge and life and even matter were wiped out. Protons are the only subatomic particle we know of that has a "half-life". Eventually, as before - assuming protons will cease to exist (as they have a half-life) - the universe will become a neutron-electron-quark soup, with no protons to form matter as we know it. As within neutron stars, we see than massively dense matter structures can exist without protons - as the neutron star becomes more dense, it "kicks out" it's protons - quite a strange structure indeed - but it exists. As assumption, the remaining subatomic particles will coalesce into a massive universal superstructure (like a neutron star only MUCH BIGGER), without positive charge. Under such EXTREME conditions odd things will become commonplace. The thought is that under these conditions, if a proton was ever created from these strange reactions - all that neutral/negative matter will rush to join with it - thus creating a cataclysm of the most epic proportions - a neutral/negatively charged universe suddenly having just a single positive charge would be a bigger cataclysm than ANY mind could ever imagine. You can think as you like, but in my ideal that would create a massive explosion/displacement of matter - possibly even the creation of MORE positive charge. It's very logical - yet unimaginable - we are only less than mere specs in the universe as a whole. This in all logic would be what is called a "big bang", setting the universe back into motion with the now rare positive charge spreading like wildfire. Thus the universe heads down a new path. It is scary, but it is existence. We verily could have been the result of that last cycle before us. Entirely new things could exist in our place, or even in their own place afterward. This is NOT to be mistaken with the creation of life - that is a totally different set of circumstances - it is only the re-creation of matter as we know it. Now getting to religion, the quickest way to become an atheist/agnostic is to actually READ the bible - and NOT try to justify the brutality and hatred in it. Just read it WITHOUT your "Bible Glasses" on. There is no way in good will I can ally myself with such a being. I cannot - I weep for my sweet race, trapped in this endless cycle of death and enslavement - and when you look at it, religion is the cause of the VAST MAJORITY of it. I understand there are some good principles, but they are common sense - not divine. All that evil within those books frightens me to no end. All I can do is just try to rise above all that, all the flaws of religion and mankind, and work for a better tomorrow. Who knows? In a couple hundred years, people may not need this mysticism to feel comfortable with the truth and the universe. Have a good day, and I hope I helped you understand something about atheists and agnostics. Simple answer is that you can never know (won’t get into religion “knowing” – you seem like a nice person and I don’t want to hurt your feelings, unlike all the other nasty religious people that come here).

TRUE Scientists never claim to know origin, just processes – as you as a science teacher should know already. If there was a previous universe, then of course all knowledge and life and even matter were wiped out.

Protons are the only subatomic particle we know of that has a “half-life”. Eventually, as before – assuming protons will cease to exist (as they have a half-life) – the universe will become a neutron-electron-quark soup, with no protons to form matter as we know it.

As within neutron stars, we see than massively dense matter structures can exist without protons – as the neutron star becomes more dense, it “kicks out” it’s protons – quite a strange structure indeed – but it exists.

As assumption, the remaining subatomic particles will coalesce into a massive universal superstructure (like a neutron star only MUCH BIGGER), without positive charge. Under such EXTREME conditions odd things will become commonplace. The thought is that under these conditions, if a proton was ever created from these strange reactions – all that neutral/negative matter will rush to join with it – thus creating a cataclysm of the most epic proportions – a neutral/negatively charged universe suddenly having just a single positive charge would be a bigger cataclysm than ANY mind could ever imagine. You can think as you like, but in my ideal that would create a massive explosion/displacement of matter – possibly even the creation of MORE positive charge. It’s very logical – yet unimaginable – we are only less than mere specs in the universe as a whole.

This in all logic would be what is called a “big bang”, setting the universe back into motion with the now rare positive charge spreading like wildfire. Thus the universe heads down a new path. It is scary, but it is existence. We verily could have been the result of that last cycle before us. Entirely new things could exist in our place, or even in their own place afterward.

This is NOT to be mistaken with the creation of life – that is a totally different set of circumstances – it is only the re-creation of matter as we know it.

Now getting to religion, the quickest way to become an atheist/agnostic is to actually READ the bible – and NOT try to justify the brutality and hatred in it. Just read it WITHOUT your “Bible Glasses” on. There is no way in good will I can ally myself with such a being. I cannot – I weep for my sweet race, trapped in this endless cycle of death and enslavement – and when you look at it, religion is the cause of the VAST MAJORITY of it. I understand there are some good principles, but they are common sense – not divine. All that evil within those books frightens me to no end.

All I can do is just try to rise above all that, all the flaws of religion and mankind, and work for a better tomorrow. Who knows? In a couple hundred years, people may not need this mysticism to feel comfortable with the truth and the universe.

Have a good day, and I hope I helped you understand something about atheists and agnostics.

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]]> By: Swiftovski http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-877345 Swiftovski Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:24:44 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-877345 @ Christian #155 The concept of blasphemy is not one that occurs to many atheists I would have thought. You talk about Intelligent Design as if it is a fact, which is one of the fatal flaws in Christian argument. Too many of you presume to know things for certain. Science is about theories with evidence behind them, of which Evolution is one. It would be foolish to presume that evolution as we know it is a certain thing that actually happened, rather we see it as a very, very likely way in which the biodiversity of this planet has become so rich. This still does not make it 100% certain. The 'huge change' which you say must have taken place between apes and humans is not as huge as you think. We are remarkably similar in alot of ways. What you have to remember is that this process of mutations and natural selection has been going on for billions and billions of years. Plenty of time for these changes to take place when you think about it. Humans just can't grasp the concept of such a huge timescale, and so they assume these changes are impossible. Intelligent design is a parasite that feeds off true science. It makes me sad to think that potentially every major scientific discovery to do with creation and life just gets sucked up, processed and churned out again by religions to try and make their fairy tales more realistic. And also, your claim that introducing Christianity to people makes them smarter is really quite short-sighted. All it does is teach them to shrug their shoulders and ignore reason. May his Noodliness touch you with his almighty appendage. rAmen. @ Christian #155

The concept of blasphemy is not one that occurs to many atheists I would have thought. You talk about Intelligent Design as if it is a fact, which is one of the fatal flaws in Christian argument. Too many of you presume to know things for certain. Science is about theories with evidence behind them, of which Evolution is one. It would be foolish to presume that evolution as we know it is a certain thing that actually happened, rather we see it as a very, very likely way in which the biodiversity of this planet has become so rich. This still does not make it 100% certain. The ‘huge change’ which you say must have taken place between apes and humans is not as huge as you think. We are remarkably similar in alot of ways. What you have to remember is that this process of mutations and natural selection has been going on for billions and billions of years. Plenty of time for these changes to take place when you think about it. Humans just can’t grasp the concept of such a huge timescale, and so they assume these changes are impossible. Intelligent design is a parasite that feeds off true science. It makes me sad to think that potentially every major scientific discovery to do with creation and life just gets sucked up, processed and churned out again by religions to try and make their fairy tales more realistic. And also, your claim that introducing Christianity to people makes them smarter is really quite short-sighted. All it does is teach them to shrug their shoulders and ignore reason.

May his Noodliness touch you with his almighty appendage.
rAmen.

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]]> By: St. pastabeard http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-877285 St. pastabeard Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:47:38 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-877285 A. creation IS just happening B. It wasn't a big rock. Thank you and have a nice day. A. creation IS just happening
B. It wasn’t a big rock.

Thank you and have a nice day.

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]]> By: necro http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-877250 necro Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:23:49 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-877250 I'm not sure there was a "big rock" that caused the big bang, more energy, but the simple answer is this: His divine Noodlelyness The Flying Spaghetti Monster decided to create a "big rock". That or he has falsely implanted that information in order to hide his own awesomeness in creating all. I’m not sure there was a “big rock” that caused the big bang, more energy, but the simple answer is this:
His divine Noodlelyness The Flying Spaghetti Monster decided to create a “big rock”. That or he has falsely implanted that information in order to hide his own awesomeness in creating all.

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]]> By: a880 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-735030 a880 Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:35:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-735030 You believe in intelligent design? You believe in intelligent design?

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]]> By: Dentrag http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-723405 Dentrag Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:33:44 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-723405 I have three answers to your quandry, Tgilmer. 1; Possibly, it is impossible to know. Nothing could have EVER been recorded BEFORE there was anything. 2; Energy converted to matter. It should be possible. 3; The universe is infinite, and has no start or end. 4; A giant, invisible space, omnipotent and omniscient being decided that it was worthwhile to spend the 16 billion years required to shape the universe so that ONE SPECIES, and YOU ALONE were important enough for this omnipotent's beings time. Of course, this leads to the question; Whence did this noodly being come from? Why, from the great space-sailing pirate ship of course! I have three answers to your quandry, Tgilmer.
1; Possibly, it is impossible to know. Nothing could have EVER been recorded BEFORE there was anything.
2; Energy converted to matter. It should be possible.
3; The universe is infinite, and has no start or end.
4; A giant, invisible space, omnipotent and omniscient being decided that it was worthwhile to spend the 16 billion years required to shape the universe so that ONE SPECIES, and YOU ALONE were important enough for this omnipotent’s beings time. Of course, this leads to the question; Whence did this noodly being come from? Why, from the great space-sailing pirate ship of course!

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]]> By: sigh http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-679517 sigh Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:04:06 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-679517 First: thank you very much, this is the only non-hate mail I've seen on this site. Second: Science admits when an idea is theory or proven fact, and in the case of theories criticism and questioning are good things. However, when the theory of religion appears, criticism and questioning are unheard of. Third: If you could prove the "Lord" to me I pray every night for his forgiveness. But I wouldn't get it because be saying two words "prove it" my "soul" is "damned for all eternity to flaming pits of hell" First: thank you very much, this is the only non-hate mail I’ve seen on this site.

Second: Science admits when an idea is theory or proven fact, and in the case of theories criticism and questioning are good things. However, when the theory of religion appears, criticism and questioning are unheard of.

Third: If you could prove the “Lord” to me I pray every night for his forgiveness. But I wouldn’t get it because be saying two words “prove it” my “soul” is “damned for all eternity to flaming pits of hell”

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]]> By: Jared McClure http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-678814 Jared McClure Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:19:22 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-678814 Who says there was a Big Bang? The Universe is eternal and simply has always existed. Who says there was a Big Bang? The Universe is eternal and simply has always existed.

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]]> By: Christian http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-678800 Christian Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:57:47 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-678800 Good letter my friend, good letter indeed. Evolution does exist, i agree with you on that and don't think anyone in their right mind can argue otherwise. However, the main difference between creationists and evolutionists is to what EXTENT evolution took place. For example, its been proven that when two creatures mate they both give away about half of their genetic material. And if the child loses some of the DNA in the process (e.g. mom has 123 dad has 124 baby has 134 and hence loses dna 2) then strange things can be born due to this loss of genetic information(called specialization of genes). Evolutionists argue that a creature bred out far enough could just keep changing until they macro-evolve(gains DNA). However if a species continues to breed out it will eventually be weaker and have a worse immune system then a creature with a lot of DNA. Since animals can only gain new DNA(necessary for things such a fish growing feet/proto feet) through random mutation(beneficial mutations are 1 in 1000 or more) its highly unlikely evolution happened as evolutions say it did. Its possible that a wolf is the ancestor of the dog, just as the dog is the ancestor of the poodle. However its near impossible that a species could experience all the required beneficial mutations to acquire such a huge change as a fish to a frog or a monkey to a man. So you see, God created everything as is, and small changes helped the creatures adapt. And its because they have that mild adapting ability that Creation is so perfect. However, to assume that evolution is the cause of Creation instead of a feature of Creation is both blasphemous and unscientific. Also, i think Christians should spread the faith and knowledge we have because it not only allows people salvation, but also make them smarter. God is the Creator, He has made Creation 6000 years ago and micro evolution cannot cause macro evolution. Amen. Good letter my friend, good letter indeed. Evolution does exist, i agree with you on that and don’t think anyone in their right mind can argue otherwise. However, the main difference between creationists and evolutionists is to what EXTENT evolution took place. For example, its been proven that when two creatures mate they both give away about half of their genetic material. And if the child loses some of the DNA in the process (e.g. mom has 123 dad has 124 baby has 134 and hence loses dna 2) then strange things can be born due to this loss of genetic information(called specialization of genes). Evolutionists argue that a creature bred out far enough could just keep changing until they macro-evolve(gains DNA). However if a species continues to breed out it will eventually be weaker and have a worse immune system then a creature with a lot of DNA. Since animals can only gain new DNA(necessary for things such a fish growing feet/proto feet) through random mutation(beneficial mutations are 1 in 1000 or more) its highly unlikely evolution happened as evolutions say it did. Its possible that a wolf is the ancestor of the dog, just as the dog is the ancestor of the poodle. However its near impossible that a species could experience all the required beneficial mutations to acquire such a huge change as a fish to a frog or a monkey to a man. So you see, God created everything as is, and small changes helped the creatures adapt. And its because they have that mild adapting ability that Creation is so perfect. However, to assume that evolution is the cause of Creation instead of a feature of Creation is both blasphemous and unscientific.
Also, i think Christians should spread the faith and knowledge we have because it not only allows people salvation, but also make them smarter. God is the Creator, He has made Creation 6000 years ago and micro evolution cannot cause macro evolution. Amen.

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]]> By: Daniel http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-677456 Daniel Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:03:33 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-677456 Instead of religion and science being mutually exclusive, why can't I believe in a God that used an accelerated form of evolution to create the animal species we know today? Maybe, to create the universe, including earth, He used some sort of cosmic explosion. Just thoughts. Agape Love, Daniel Instead of religion and science being mutually exclusive, why can’t I believe in a God that used an accelerated form of evolution to create the animal species we know today? Maybe, to create the universe, including earth, He used some sort of cosmic explosion. Just thoughts.

Agape Love,

Daniel

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]]> By: Jack http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-677434 Jack Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:38:52 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-677434 He is a good guy, who stated his opinion in a calm manner, and didn't swear once. This is quite nice actually. He is a good guy, who stated his opinion in a calm manner, and didn’t swear once. This is quite nice actually.

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]]> By: KatieBug http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-677425 KatieBug Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:27:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-677425 I don't have a deep knowledge of the Big Bang Theory, but I was always under the impression that it happened because of an energy buildup and not two rocks hitting each other... Maybe I'm wrong? Like I said, I don't know much about it. But thank you for the coherent and respectful message. We all appreciate it :] I don’t have a deep knowledge of the Big Bang Theory, but I was always under the impression that it happened because of an energy buildup and not two rocks hitting each other…

Maybe I’m wrong?

Like I said, I don’t know much about it.

But thank you for the coherent and respectful message. We all appreciate it :]

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]]> By: Ande http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-677412 Ande Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:15:47 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-677412 @150 pasta lover sure there was bathrooms back then,but it was pretty much only the ones who wrote the bible that had access to them @150 pasta lover
sure there was bathrooms back then,but it was pretty much only the ones who wrote the bible that had access to them

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]]> By: pasta lover http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-677230 pasta lover Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:32:28 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-677230 Fantastic! It is interesting that people who know only religion will not accept science, but those who understand science are not afraid of accepting religion. Religion, historicaly, has been a way to answer complex questions. Many of which we know now, such as why it rains. A person would look foolish to say the world is flat when I can prove it is round. If the Gospel is the supposed truth and there is no evidence to support it, then reproductions (copies) of the bible are not valid. Only the original text would be valid. Everytime it is translated, copied, modified, or otherwise manipulated it is no longer the truth, since there is no proof for the original one anyway. Wasn't the Bible written by humans in the 7th century? How did they conduct their research? There were no libraries or internet, there weren't even bathrooms during that time. People lived in caves for crying out loud! Fantastic! It is interesting that people who know only religion will not accept science, but those who understand science are not afraid of accepting religion. Religion, historicaly, has been a way to answer complex questions. Many of which we know now, such as why it rains. A person would look foolish to say the world is flat when I can prove it is round.
If the Gospel is the supposed truth and there is no evidence to support it, then reproductions (copies) of the bible are not valid. Only the original text would be valid. Everytime it is translated, copied, modified, or otherwise manipulated it is no longer the truth, since there is no proof for the original one anyway. Wasn’t the Bible written by humans in the 7th century? How did they conduct their research? There were no libraries or internet, there weren’t even bathrooms during that time. People lived in caves for crying out loud!

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]]> By: Mike http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-676693 Mike Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:51:18 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-676693 Science Fail. Science Fail.

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]]> By: Teh Spag-worshipper (she of the crappy name) http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-662057 Teh Spag-worshipper (she of the crappy name) Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:17:45 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-662057 No big rock, just an expanding singularity. Stephen Hawking; have you read his stuff? However, well done. Peaceful questioning is the way forwards, and I salute you for it. PIRATICAL SALUTE! RAmen to that. TS-W No big rock, just an expanding singularity. Stephen Hawking; have you read his stuff?

However, well done. Peaceful questioning is the way forwards, and I salute you for it.

PIRATICAL SALUTE!

RAmen to that.

TS-W

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]]> By: XIII http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-642581 XIII Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:37:42 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-642581 First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it? Technically there wasn't a collision of 'big rocks' .... it was the explosion of an atome that created the universe . Just like the sun , the power of the explosion keep the universe exaclty the same , but each second the power realeased by this explosion is decreasing and returning to the primary atome , ( finally you can say that just like the sun its an explosion of atomes that takes millions of years to implose and regain its primary form ) .... That's the exact thesis of the big bang ....more credible than the fact that Adam and Eve had 2 boys .... one killed by the other .... and no more kids .... or have they ? That would me some incest ... oh an Noe too .... haven't he , his wife and son have been the lone survivors of the human race .... again some incest to repeuplate the world .... seriously i personnally prefer putting my faith in the mighty FSM then in a god that forced us in the past to commit incest to repeuplate the world after he created and flooded it .... not you ? First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?

Technically there wasn’t a collision of ‘big rocks’ …. it was the explosion of an atome that created the universe . Just like the sun , the power of the explosion keep the universe exaclty the same , but each second the power realeased by this explosion is decreasing and returning to the primary atome , ( finally you can say that just like the sun its an explosion of atomes that takes millions of years to implose and regain its primary form ) ….

That’s the exact thesis of the big bang ….more credible than the fact that Adam and Eve had 2 boys …. one killed by the other …. and no more kids …. or have they ? That would me some incest … oh an Noe too …. haven’t he , his wife and son have been the lone survivors of the human race …. again some incest to repeuplate the world …. seriously i personnally prefer putting my faith in the mighty FSM then in a god that forced us in the past to commit incest to repeuplate the world after he created and flooded it …. not you ?

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]]> By: Raul Atreides http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-641364 Raul Atreides Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:31:12 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-641364 First, I must apologize for my english, It isn't my natural language. Second, I mus apologize If I repeat something that other Pastafarian brother/sister answered before. There are a lot of answers and is late to read all. This person, even wrong, has a very good perk. He/she doesn't want to inocculate his/hers beliefs in the young. I belive that religion must be far far away from the youths. Not because I think is harmful (I do), Its just because I belive men and women must have the criticism and experience enough to see how is the world made and then choose theyr religion, all the false ones or the true path of his noodly appendage. But, this person makes a BIG mistake. Compares a book of legends with the whole science. Sorry, but you are wrong. The science explains how the world "works", the Holy books doesnt. I know some jibbyjabba from the belivers that try to point some ambiguous versicles as "good old science". Please, don't. It only makes you look more silly. Science makes a long way from nothing to explain the whole creation, trough thermodinamics, gravitation, nuclear forces... and it can be proved. Holy books only say "The light is made". Science says: "we don't know YET how the universe happened" Religion says: "We know how it happens, it was created. End of discussion". If we take the religious way... why research more? And also... IF WE HAVE TAKEN the religious explanation for some of the previous misterys of mankind... maybe we still in the Middle ages. When you have all the answers, you don't need to continue thinking. And this is horrible. Also, your base point is wrong too. I'ts a common mistake. Question: "What was before the big bang?" Answer: There is no "before" time and space creates with big bang. The question is wrong "per se". Yeah, I know it's fucking weird, but if we are taking the base knowledge of the expanding universe, space was a singularity in the begining... and time creates then. I have problems to underestand that too. I'ts like the freaking stuff of the 12 dimensions in unification theory, goes aganist all our perception of universe. MUST be one "before". But the big brains of physics that answered me told me that. Of course they must be wrong, that's the good part of science, I don't have to belive. Nobody was there, we are ignorant. You call your ignorance "god". I call it by it's name: ignorance. Why you try to find god behind all the "uncharted" areas of knowledge? God was the explanation to day and night in the birth of humanity. He losses his place when we underestand the movement of the sun. And he has been ejected from the other areas, medicine, electricity, cosmology... why god must be behind the "last" frontier if he hasn't been in the previous? Have the courage to face we are alone, nobody is gonna judge us, nobody is gonna save us. Our life is so precious and short to waste it giving power to the ones that created those myths. Go outside, help your fellows, teach them to love the life and live in harmony with others. If you realize, is not too far of Christ ways. Sorry if I make somebody yawns. All Hails the FSM. Ramen and love to all. First, I must apologize for my english, It isn’t my natural language.
Second, I mus apologize If I repeat something that other Pastafarian brother/sister answered before. There are a lot of answers and is late to read all.

This person, even wrong, has a very good perk. He/she doesn’t want to inocculate his/hers beliefs in the young. I belive that religion must be far far away from the youths. Not because I think is harmful (I do), Its just because I belive men and women must have the criticism and experience enough to see how is the world made and then choose theyr religion, all the false ones or the true path of his noodly appendage.

But, this person makes a BIG mistake. Compares a book of legends with the whole science. Sorry, but you are wrong. The science explains how the world “works”, the Holy books doesnt. I know some jibbyjabba from the belivers that try to point some ambiguous versicles as “good old science”. Please, don’t. It only makes you look more silly.
Science makes a long way from nothing to explain the whole creation, trough thermodinamics, gravitation, nuclear forces… and it can be proved. Holy books only say “The light is made”.
Science says: “we don’t know YET how the universe happened”
Religion says: “We know how it happens, it was created. End of discussion”.

If we take the religious way… why research more?
And also… IF WE HAVE TAKEN the religious explanation for some of the previous misterys of mankind… maybe we still in the Middle ages.

When you have all the answers, you don’t need to continue thinking. And this is horrible.

Also, your base point is wrong too.
I’ts a common mistake.
Question: “What was before the big bang?”
Answer: There is no “before” time and space creates with big bang. The question is wrong “per se”.

Yeah, I know it’s fucking weird, but if we are taking the base knowledge of the expanding universe, space was a singularity in the begining… and time creates then.
I have problems to underestand that too. I’ts like the freaking stuff of the 12 dimensions in unification theory, goes aganist all our perception of universe. MUST be one “before”. But the big brains of physics that answered me told me that.
Of course they must be wrong, that’s the good part of science, I don’t have to belive. Nobody was there, we are ignorant.

You call your ignorance “god”.
I call it by it’s name: ignorance.

Why you try to find god behind all the “uncharted” areas of knowledge?
God was the explanation to day and night in the birth of humanity. He losses his place when we underestand the movement of the sun. And he has been ejected from the other areas, medicine, electricity, cosmology… why god must be behind the “last” frontier if he hasn’t been in the previous?

Have the courage to face we are alone, nobody is gonna judge us, nobody is gonna save us. Our life is so precious and short to waste it giving power to the ones that created those myths. Go outside, help your fellows, teach them to love the life and live in harmony with others. If you realize, is not too far of Christ ways.

Sorry if I make somebody yawns.

All Hails the FSM.
Ramen and love to all.

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]]> By: NICK KESSINGER http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-631088 NICK KESSINGER Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:18:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-631088 once again, his noodly appendage will be discovered by all. i met a pirate the other day, who just HAPPENED to have a birthmark in the shape of HIM RAMEN once again,
his noodly appendage will be discovered by all.

i met a pirate the other day, who just HAPPENED to have a birthmark in the shape of HIM
RAMEN

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]]> By: noodle lover http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist/#comment-627608 noodle lover Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:30:48 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2008/07/04/not-a-scientist.htm#comment-627608 The beauty of science is it's fallibility. Everything is a theory until it's proven to a certain extent to gain merit. Or something like that. Anyway, the problem with religion in general is that no one will ever say that their religion is theory. They consider that an insult. They consider their religion as fact. And that, in fact, is a flaw. Pass the meatball. The beauty of science is it’s fallibility. Everything is a theory until it’s proven to a certain extent to gain merit. Or something like that.
Anyway, the problem with religion in general is that no one will ever say that their religion is theory. They consider that an insult. They consider their religion as fact. And that, in fact, is a flaw.

Pass the meatball.

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