Not a hate-mail, but I don’t have a category for this sort:
I am not a scientist but I am a teacher (not in florida). I am a Christian and personally believe in intelligent design. However, I do not believe it is my place to force Christianity into the classroom either. I will live my life as a Christian and feel free to share my faith when necessary and unforcefully. Anyway, I don’t think anyone will get anywhere in this argument. First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it? Even science can’t explain something coming from nothing. On the flip-side even Christians can’t explain when or how God began. All I know is that science can only explain so much and so does the bible. So, it’s faith in either God or Science. Faith that God did it or that science will discover it. I personally believe that science studies God’s creation including scientific laws. I also believe that there are some things in the Holy Bible that will better understood in the end. Even the gospels told of secrets that were not shared with the masses. Also, who can argue that evolution exists? That’s fact!!! The argument is creation v. just happening.
-tgilmer
Science provides a set of tools that yield no replicable data on God. The bible describes events and not processes. science describes process but not events. The two have virtually no over lap. The problems arise when the adherents of the Bible try to impose their system as the definitive final word on all things
It’s fine with most of us if someone wishes to be a christian ( I am) but I surely don’t want your religious opinions in my face as so many Christians seem to feel that they have a right to do. on the same token I keep my religious positions to myself in most circumstances. For me to do otherwise would be an act of disrespect. So may the Parmesan be with you
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First of all, if you’re going to argue about the Big Bang theory, at least get it correct first. It’s not that a big rock was hit by something, which then made it asplode into the universe; it’s that Nothing asploded into Something, which then expended into the universe. It makes much more sense that way.
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I seem to have missed the title of your post. No one has a testable hypothesis on what was the originating event of the big bang , anymore than they have Data on God’s parents ( or grand parents) actual origins are currently untestable. I’m reasonably sure that I exist but you are iffy, if not stop by the office and we can grab a beer after work
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The Big Bang isn’t rocks hitting each other, it’s more a very large energy source expanding and creating lots of heat, contracting and attracting each other to create matter.
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Thankyou for lifting the pro christianity comments out of the gutter and into the realm of intelligent discussion. I’m willing to be convinced that a higher being created the start of the universe as no one can prove anything at this stage. However, I won’t believe in it or base my life around it until someting has been proven, and that is how I think all people should live: finding answers for themselves. I personally haven’t found those answers in Christianity.
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At least you get part of the argument, though I don’t know about this big rock you speak of. MAybe you should look up the Big Bang……….
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It never fails to astound me that seemingly intelligent people like yourself can admit it’s possible that we are here through a process of events we are yet to understand but then go on to talk about the bible as if it is some sort of writings by mystical beings who knew secrets of the universe hidden to all us other mere mortals. Just a heads up for ya TG, the bible was written by men with vested interests from all walks of life living through different ages. Have you ever read the damn thing? It’s a pile of bs stories that any moron can see was chucked together rather haphazardly by some dictator who then went out and smashed people until they agreed to worship the drivel. Do some research TG, most of the crap in the bible is ripped off from previous relgions and given a new spin when the RC church looked like losing its grip on power. Wake up and smell the roses dude, noone will laugh at you for admitting it was a crock.
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Well, the Big Bang was not the result of two bodies of mass colliding, it was the result of extreme mass and pressure building up and the resulting explosion casting mass into the blankness that became the Universe. Of course the question of where said mass came from is a mystery, some think it was the result of a previous universe converging in on itself, the duration of a single universe being referred to as a Kalpa. Another theory is that stored energy in the universe was the only thing existing, and eventually the energy became matter (kind of a reverse from splitting an atom and releasing energy). Either way, the universe was created when FSM got really drunk, so it is a moot point.
RAmen
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Again what you, and most christians, fail to realise is that science is a fluid changing process. Science changes to become better, faster, and stronger constantly. The bible, not so much. Only people’s interpretations of the bible change, they omit or twist the bible to fit what they feel represents current society. Also as a teacher you really should learn the theory of evolution. Evolution explains the diversity of life, not the creation. Abiogenesis is the current favourite model for how life began on earth. So please go to youTube.com and type in DonExodus2 he has some excellent video on how evolution works. If you type in Abiogenesis several good, some are kind of dry though, videos on that subject should give you a good start on understanding what Science has been doing about the issue.
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Oh no. I fear for this teacher’s students. Oh, not because of his/her religious views, but because of his inability to construct a grammatical sentence, or form a cogent argument. FSM help us, what has happened to our educational system?
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hey tgilmer,
I think you misunderstand the big bang theory. It’s not about one massive rock hitting another.
And science does intend to explain something coming from nothing, thats what the big bang theory is FOR.
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I would argue that it doesn’t matter where the two particles (not rocks) that collided to create the cosmos came from or how they collided. There are some interesting and probable conjectures out there and they go beyond my level of thinking. I can comprehend a lot of things–abiogenesis, when explained, seems like a perfectly airtight theory and coerces a, “Why did we not conceive of it sooner!” reaction from me–but fluctuations, bends, beginnings and termini of space-time are completely beyond my capability for comprehension. I leave it to the geniuses to figure these things out and I don’t pass judgement on what I can’t possibly understand except for, “Maybe these people who are a googol times smarter than me know better than I do how space-time began and how matter formed.
I’m simply limited to Occam’s Razor on this issue. What is more likely and violates fewer physical and natural laws:
The universe has always been here, even if it bangs and crunches; unlikely
Hawking, et al., are correct, even if I don’t understand what the hell they’re on about; likely
A supreme being, one that exists today and cares about what I believe, what I eat and who I have sex with, created everything, though he was never created; very highly unlikely
A supernatural presence who has no interest in human affairs (or the affairs of any other creature on Earth or in the universe) created the universe, although the creator was not created; slightly less unlikely than the previous
We do not know, nor are our mammalian brains evolved to find food and avoid predators currently capable of knowing, how the universe began, nor do we need to wrack our brains on the issue or speculate on the matter (or fill the information gap with dogma) if our species, in general, are not yet mentally qualified to solve it; most likely
I think it’s about here where Occam’s wonderful Razor tells us to shut the fuck up and live our lives as if the issue didn’t exist.
On this matter, and very few others, I take a “militaristic Agnostic” stance: I don’t know and neither do you, now shut the fuck up and stop mentally masturbating all over cyberspace.
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“The first big rock” came along _long after_ the Big Bang. The Big Bang was NOT the bang of ‘big rocks’ colliding, it’s a metaphor for the sudden expansion of all space-time, matter, and energy from a single point. I’m sure that a physicist or cosmologist could explain it all more precisely, but this is the general idea. In science, it’s important to have some understanding of the ideas you are criticizing. This is a difference between the scientific process and the regurgitation of ridiculous dogma that sadly marks too much of religious culture. Rocks came into being long after the BB when the universe had cooled enough to allow stars and planets (big rocks) to form.
“So, it’s faith in either God or Science.” Not really. Faith is believing in a concept (like God) without any evidence. Science is the process of determining the simplest explanation from the evidence. Science looks at fossils and says “look the bones of animals that died millions of years ago”. Religion looks at them and “forget about the evidence of radioisotope dating, etc., our book says the universe is only about 6000 years old (but gives no evidence), so there weren’t any animals millions of years ago. The fossils? Well, the devil knew you were going to teach evolution, so he planted those fossils.” Again, no evidence of the existence of a devil or that he planted those fossils…just the book. Religion is not (necessarily) wrong, Science is not automatically better, but the first is based on Faith while the second is based on evidence.
“The argument is creation v. just happening.” If that’s what you want to argue about, fine. But dressing up Creation in the clothes of science doesn’t make it science. Mainstream scientists have rejected Intelligent Design based on the (lack of) evidence. Creation & Intelligent Design are ideas of religion, not science. If & when evidence for these ideas arise (and no, the Bible is not evidence, and neither is “but evolution & the BB are just so ridiculous…it just _can’t_ be true!”)…if and when evidence is presented these can have considered again by the scientific community. Until then, please keep your religion out of science classrooms and I’ll keep physics and logic out of your church (and synagogue & mosque & …). As for “just happening”, this also is not part of scientific thought. There are plenty of hypotheses trying to explain how atoms became organized into organic molecules, how molecules formed cells, how cells formed tissues & complex structures like eyes, etc. No one could take “It just happened” seriously as a hypothesis–the point of science is to suggest explanations for _how_ it happened.
Thank you
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“feel free to share my faith when necessary” – when is it ever necessary to share your faith!?
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“First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?” – what big rock?
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“So, it’s faith in either God or Science.” – you dont have faith in science – you have facts
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tgilmer, before you ask these sorts of questions you should probably read up a little on the ‘big bang’ theory (the actual scientific stuff, not the strawman so often thrown up by creationists). You say you are a teacher, then I would think you would understand the importance of reading up on a topic before trying to debate it.
ramen
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first there was nothing. which exploded.
a likley story!
we all know the great FSM created all with his noodley appendages!
RAmen!
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I appreciate the writer is trying to use logic to answer the question, which immediately puts him/her ahead of the pack. I hope this is seen as a useful start, not as a pretext for mud-slinging. What’s needed now is a little time on Wikipedia, reading up on:
Big Bang theory (it’s not about rocks);
the “God of the Gaps” fallacy;
and the Scientific Method in general.
Big Bang theory is ugly, it doesn’t help us much with questions of “before” (note the quotes), but it’s still around for one simple reason: it’s the best scientific theory we have that explains what we observe. By “we” I mean that there is a scientific community working on these problems, and they are doing it worldwide, across cultural and temporal divides, yet the observations agree. If it works, it doesn’t matter whether we like it or not, or whether it gibes with our personal beliefs; if you get this, you’re on the way to understanding what science is.
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The reasoning about “faith in science is like faith in god” remember me of the “faith in logic is like faith in god”, so well mocked in one of the last Jesus and Mo strips: http://www.jesusandmo.net/2008/06/27/logic/
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You serious, man? You really think the Big Bang is about rocks banging together? I teach 8th grade science, and one of my students thought that was it about rocks banging together as well. Is this another straw man propagated in church? Learn what the Big Bang is before you criticize it. It’s not like it’s hard to go to wikipedia and type in big bang theory. And while you’re at it, type in evolution as well. Educate yourself!!!
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Although this is more coherent and less aggressive than most of the messages on here, I can’t believe that the writer of this message is a teacher!
FSM believers KNOW FOR CERTAIN that the “big rocks” were actually meatballs and nothing to do with a singularity as practitioners of the science faith would have you believe.
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First of all, look around the world… what do you see? Really, what forces do you see? The laws of physics and chemistry is all i see. When things happen we dont see the hand of god reaching down and touching stuff, i know that sounds funny but you know what i mean… This is what David Hume refered to as vegetative generation or something like that… in other words, things seem to come from the laws of nature not from divine control.
According to what you actually observe in the world, god may be all power or not all powerful, all good or not all good, there many or only one… or perhaps none…So when you say god, which one do you believe in and why?
Now, I dont believe in any gods simply because i dont see any evidence for one. Im what you call a weak athiest. A strong atheist says I know there is not a god- not me… although im pretty sure there isnt!! “A” (without) theisitic belief or Atheism..
Now, i do admit that there is a certain amount of faith in science, sometimes before it is tested and becomes a paradigm. For me though, I see absolutely no evidence for any kind of god, and claiming that science doesnt know everything is not evidence for god. it is evidence for the ignorance of mans knowlege… once again, there is absolutely no evidence for god- belief in god is a scape goat for one to deny he/she doesnt know… its another god of the gaps argument found all the time in medieval philosophy… it explains and does nothing for our understanding… its useless, its, its… ill stop there.
So, to answer your question, nobody knows why we are here, where we are going, nor where we came from… The first rock fits into the big questions above somewhere…
To say that one must either have faith in science or god is misleading… Rather, one looks for evidence to answer these questions, there seems to be absolutely no evidence for god, therefore one becomes an atheist… then one must admit that he/she will never be able to answer these big questions.(period) You seem to understand all this however. But (and i really dont mean to be condescending) you dont seem to accept it . Its scary i know. Just admit the fact that there is no real evidence for god and youll never know what the heck is going on, no one really does…. See, no faith is needed, only hypothesis and the never ending torture that you may be completely wrong… I dont have faith in science, i more or less just dont have any evidence for god…
What boggles me is this, why do you believe in god at all? You seem to be subscribing to the 3 O god of the bible… Why?
Oh yeah, pasta forever, raamen…. Praise the flying spaghetti monster he knows all and created all, and changed my life, all the other people with changed lives and happiness are lying…. raamen.
I plan to start teaching high school sometime very soon myself. I just graduated with a philosophy degree and perhaps ill go and teach English or social studies… What do you teach?
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You fail at quantum mechanics. Something can come from nothing.
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“So, it’s faith in either God or Science.”
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No, it isn’t. Faith implies dogmatic belief that, no matter what, YOUR choice is correct and anybody else’s choice (as long as it contradicts your own) is wrong, no matter how strong an arguement they may make.
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Now, about the big bang, I seriously suggest you read some of Stephen Hawkin’s stuff. If anybody is going to figure out anything about what caused the big bang in the next few years then it’ll be that guy. ;)
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I love this guy… if only everyone was like him… it’s people like Richard Dawkings that give atheism a bad name and its the people that write the hate mail that make Christianity seem crazy.
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“First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?”
LOL! Hopefully you are not a science teacher, because some simple googling would explain that this is NOT the big bang theory.
“Even science can’t explain something coming from nothing.”
Yeesh, again I hope you arent a science teacher.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF101.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE440.html
Basically, “we don’t know yet” is a proactive, exploratory view that leads to advancement and progress”
“God did it” is a scientific dead end, leads to nothing.
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do you even know the Big Bang theory? Let me inform you a little… it DID NOT start with “big rock” it started with gas you dummy.
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Wow, I’m impressed that was a good and very intelligent letter, that showed some thought and care.
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with teachers like you, the kids of today and tomorrow are fu*ked :(
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Well, it is certainly nice to see a non-basher so thankuu :3
But just a little stupid niggle from me: Not all religions with a God use the bible, and yesh I know its me being picky but hey xD
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You seem like a nice guy and fairly reasonable but you need to understand two things.
1. Science never has or will need faith. Faith does not require evidence but science does. I know that if we continue to search and experiment using the scientific method we will one day answer your question. That answer will not be a belief as it will be backed up by evidence. One should not say they believe in any particular scientific theory but rather that they understand the evidence supporting it and either agree or posit a new theory with its own evidence.
2. Cosmology (big bang theoy) and biology (evolutionary theory) have nothing to do with each other. This is a very ‘clever’ game that creationists like to play because it confuses both theories. They are independent from one another and say nothing about each other. Darwin’s theories say nothing about the origins of the universe just as big bang theory says nothing about the evolution of species. They are independent areas of study.
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Some good questions, and pleasantly put. It is nice to hear from christians who are asking the same questions we are and are willing to listen to researched answers. I too look foward to discovering the answers to the questions of the universe no matter what the answers are. Wow, I think I used “answers” and “questions” way too many times in that little paragraph! Oh well. Nice letter.
RAmen!!!!
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I would agree, to a certain extent. Science and religion can and should work together. Both sides just need to open their minds.
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You don’t really know what the big bang is, do you? It has nothing to do with big rock hitting each other, and there are no ‘bangs’ in the big bang. The title ‘big bang’ was made as a joke by a random guy who opposed the big bang, and it just stuck. Study, then come back.
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“The first big rock?” And you’re a teacher?
“Where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?” I don’t know where to begin telling you what’s wrong with that.
The Big Bang theory states that around 13.7 billion years ago the universe was condensed into an incredibly small, hot, dense “ball” of space and time called a singularity. Is this “ball” what your meant by “first big rock”? I’m not really sure but I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was.
The Big Bang theory does not say that the “ball” “came from nothing”; it simply postulates the existence of the singularity and then proceeds from there. The answer to the question of what came before the Big Bang is simply “No one knows yet.”
“The argument is creation v. just happening?” Okay, supposing the there was a creator. Where did he come from? Did he “just happen?” Normally, theists try to get out of this one by giving some non-answer like “Well, he exists outside of time and space” (which is the same as saying he doesn’t exist as far as I’m concerned) or “Well, he always existed.” But if an intelligent being can have always existed, then why can’t the universe have always existed? What exactly makes the first plausible to you but not the second?
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Well in this sense what’s the difference of including a God or not. If you agree with all the claims of science and say that maybe God did it, what’s the point?
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You admit that even christians cannot explain further than God. Atheists just don’t think that the God step is necessary or brings something new to what we know and can do.
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Anyway, I appreciate that you have some common sense, and if you have any further questions or want to discuss, come back here, that will change us of crappy nonsense.
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But you must be informed more about the big bang. Your question about the first big rock is very, very weird…
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It wasn’t nothing. But that condensed area of all matter exploded and forced the expansion of the universe. Many people can believe (and do) in the Xian god and practice science daily. Thank you for being level headed enough to know that evolution exists.
Sounds like you are on the healthy road to agnosticism. You actually get the 1st Amendment.
But it can’t be considered a rock. But, rocks form from many different elements. Then they can form in many ways: sedimentary, igneous, and metamorphic. Really cool actually. Similar to how 1 oxygen and 2 hydrogen atoms combine to make water. Or Sodium (unhealthy) and Chloride (deadly?) combine to form salt. See?
All of the matter has been there infinitely. In fact, this most recent “big bang” most likely wasn’t the first.
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That’s the Big Rock Theory, not the Big Bang Theory. The big bang is all about parallel universes, positive and negative charges, and explosions. There was no “first big rock”. Scientists also have a perfectly logical theory as to how is happened, if you’d bother to do the research before complaining to a random website that, for some reason, you assume is an atheist, anti-Christian site (it’s actually a peaceful Pastafarian site that believes in a Flying Spaghetti Monster, not the Big Bang or even the Big Rock; we’ve never attacked Christians, except those times when a Christian attacks us, and some of the more violent Pastafarians decide to argue).
You should seriously read about the big bang, though. It’s actually very interesting. I’m not telling you to even consider believing it; I myself believe that it was a Flying Spaghetti Monster, not a big bang.
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1. the first rick formed due to a series of evolutionary steps in our universe and took eons. First there was energy, matter crystalized out, stars and galaxies fromed, heavier elements were formed in the hearts fo those stars, the stars died, new ones formed, and the heavier elements eventually clumped together to form the “first” rock. THen another rock hit it.
2. I have no faith that science will discover anything… that doesn’t mean I dont want to know the real reason. It doesn’t mean I will make up bullshit (or believe someone elses bullshit) for my own “personal” answer, and it doesn’t mean there is no scientific answer to the questions science hasn’t answered yet (or science may never answer the question, doen’t mean god did it) – wake up
3. The holy bible does not explain anything except morality. It does a good job with morality, but you don’t need it to be moraly good. It is like saying I can’t be debt free without owning Dave Ramsey’s book.
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There was never a nothing. Energy is eternal. It cannot be created or destroyed. If God designed the universe and our solar system He has made a bad job of it. Are you aware that the Andromeda galaxy is on a collision course with our Milky Way. In five billion years (which is around the corner in terms of space) the Andromeda galaxy will crash into our solar system and destroy it. Some designer!
You and under the impression something came from nothing but the real truth is something is going to become nothing.
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“Also, who can argue that evolution exists? That’s fact!!!”
Try Lenski, you jackass.
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“First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it? Even science can’t explain something coming from nothing.”
Who the hell is trying to say something hitting a big rock was the Big Bang?
You know what can be explained? The matter always existing and then changing and “banging.”
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And what’s wrong with ‘just happening’?
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i’m not sure where the first rock came from, but paper hit (beat) it. fortunately the rock can beat scissors. however scissors beats paper which beats rock which beats paper which beats….. hmmmmm conundrum!!!
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I wish there were more Christians out there like this guy :D
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“I am not a scientist but I am a teacher (not in florida). I am a Christian and personally believe in intelligent design. However, I do not believe it is my place to force Christianity into the classroom either. I will live my life as a Christian and feel free to share my faith when necessary and unforcefully. Anyway, I don’t think anyone will get anywhere in this argument.”
Thank you for not forcing your beliefs on others. You seem like a nice person.
“First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it? Even science can’t explain something coming from nothing.”
I don’t know which “big rock” you are talking about. I’m assuming you mean the rock which created the bang. That is of course a very difficult question. I, and I’m pretty sure nobody knows how matter first came to be. However it is quite a large jump to go from, “we don’t know how it happened” to “God did it.”
“On the flip-side even Christians can’t explain when or how God began. All I know is that science can only explain so much and so does the bible. So, it’s faith in either God or Science. Faith that God did it or that science will discover it.”
This is one thing I disagree with. Mainly the statement “All I know is that science can only explain so much and so does the bible.” For the sake up discussion, lets call the sum of all knowledge “1″. Science, pretty much explains above 0.9 (being generous. I’m sure it explains MUCH MUCH more than that). The bible explains less than 0.1 (Again, being generous). Yes, they both do have their explanations, but science’s explanations have much much more credibility, because the explanations are based on evidence and logic. The explanations of the bible pretty much have to be believed without evidence at all. It is unfair to say that because both have explanations, both are intellectually equal. The equality has to be based on its credibility.
“I personally believe that science studies God’s creation including scientific laws. I also believe that there are some things in the Holy Bible that will better understood in the end. Even the gospels told of secrets that were not shared with the masses.”
I don’t really have anything to say to this. It is your belief, and I’m sure it is shared by many. Whether it’s true or not is still up to debate.
“Also, who can argue that evolution exists? That’s fact!!! The argument is creation v. just happening.”
This is quite an unfair statement. There are hundreds of millions of people who can argue for evolution. It is based on strong scientific evidence. Evolution by no means is “Just happening”.
Well, that’s about it. I’m quite bored, so I thought I would respond.
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Hey Bobby, now that we seem to be attracting semi-intelligent xtians who can actually spell AND punctuate, how about adding a new category called something like “Discuss”. As you said, it ain’t really hate mail, and it would be good to engage some of the less abusive xtians (or muslims, hindus, Baha’i’s, etc, etc) in dialogue so we might be able to understand why they believe what they do.
On the subject of abuse, here’s a quote I like: “Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.” Bertrand Russell
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It is nice to see people who have beliefs, but do not attempt to rabidly persuade people that their beliefs are true. However, the poster seems to be a little unclear about what the Big Bang really is, as evidenced by this quote:
“First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?”
The Big Bang is not an explosion. It is a rapid expansion of space-time.
While Science doesn’t have a concrete answer to what caused the big bang, there are theories that are postulated, primarily using String Theory (or M theory). Therefore, framing the beginning of the universe as “creation v. just happening” is a false dichotomy.
However, I believe that many on this site believe that “creation v. just happening” essentially mean the same thing, since nobody can prove why God would want to create the universe anyways.
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“science can only explain so much and so does the bible.”
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Exactly! That’s the whole point of this website! Every theory is equally believable. The evidence is the same for Christianity, the Big Bang, and even the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Oh, by the way, the Big Bang theory has nothing to do with a “first big rock”. I think you’re mistaking it for the Big Rock theory. The Big Bang theory is all about parallel universes, positive & negative charges, and huge explosions. Hence, “big bang”. You should seriously do some research; it’s actually very interesting. I’m not telling you to even consider believing it; I don’t believe it myself. I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Oh, did you not catch that part? Yes, despite what you think, we’re not really an atheist, anti-Christian site. We’re actually a peaceful Pastafarian site that believes in a Flying Spaghetti Monster, not the Big Bang or even the Big Rock; we’ve never attacked Christians, except those times when a Christian attacks us, and some of the more violent Pastafarians decide to fight back.
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You would think a teacher would know that quantum physicists have explained the big bang (and are working on creating a small one using particle accelerators. don’t get me started because the guys that are working on it are “not 100% sure it won’t cause the end of our universe”), and it wasn’t a “big rock that something hit”, I just advise you to do at least a SMALL bit of research when trying to convince yourself that “god did it” (although I understand why that would be scary to you).
The concept of infinity is one the human mind can’t understand (both time, scale, and distance). The fact that the universe must go on forever, and must have always existed…
let me ask YOU something… with the same misunderstanding of infinite time.. Who created your god? I mean if god is a grown up man with a beard he must have been young at some point which means something must have created him at some point.. If you (wrongly) think we are saying a rock suddenly poofed into existence, you must actually think that an entire intelligent “perfect” being just poofed into existence as well. Which is even more absurd that the thought of matter poofing into existence (which is not what we think).
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Well… the ‘Big Bang’ theory didn’t start with a big rock and something hitting it. But I can’t tell if you’re belittling the theory or just don’t understand it. And in any case, the theory is inconclusive about whether ’something came from nothing’. But instead of rushing to the beliefs of primitive men (those that wrote the Bible), I’m willing to wait and see what modern science can ultimately conclude. It seems to be it is better to ‘believe’ in science – meaning things that can be shown to be or exist in the real world – than to believe in superstitious nonsense written down a couple thousand years ago. Said another way, the fact that a scientific theory of the beginning of our universe isn’t yet conclusive doesn’t make your Bible any more correct on the subject.
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