how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?
I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.
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your just mad….poor you
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I did. I’m posting from the bar at the foot of the beer volcano. It has WiFi.
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Nobody hates us, so we don’t really have to worry about that, now do we?
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Just goes to show we’re smarter than the average believer. BTW, if martyrdom is the touchstone you wish to establish for the authenticity of a belief system, you should know thousnads of guys named Akmed have bought the farm so they could new themselves a harem of 73 virgins. Next time you look at or see a picture of the New York skyline think about that.
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Yes. You’ve figured us out, Henry. We’re terribly unoriginal! Everybody already knew the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything and we just copied off them! We’re sorry!
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Lets see…..I don’t recall ANY Pastafarians dying for their beliefs. You have a rough estimate on how many christians have died for THEIR beliefs?
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On the flip side of that arguement, how many people have killed others in the name of their belief when they could have just walked away and let them live?
Religion hasn’t had any new or even compelling arguments in centuries.
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None.
Next question?
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lol wut?
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Measuring the strength of your faith by the number of martyrs puts you in a very special category of extremists.
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You don’t seem to realise that FSM is not a real religion. Most Pastafarians are Atheists and agnostics. Atheists are killed all the time throughout the world. Atheists in Africa and Arabia are murdered on an almost daily basis. Even in America, Atheists are occasionally murdered just for being Atheists: Madalyn Murray O’Hair and her family were brutally murdered in the 1990s.
Also… the FSM, in itself, is an “original argument.” We have plenty of original arguments, thanks.
Fail.
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I’m a little confused, help me out here Henry.
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Your last line, “I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.”
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By either did you mean to include Christianity?
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Just asking.
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i would say… probably… erm…. none.
so that makes me alot better off that the followers of a certain sadistic ‘god’
FSM FTW!!!!
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Dear Henry,
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I have plenty of respect for those people, regardless of beliefs, who are willing to die before reouncing said beliefs. My issue with your attack is that you assume that the only beliefs one would die for are religious. Many people have died for their political beliefs, amongst those being the belief that the first amendment provides freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion. Church and state are seperate entities and whenever the two have mixed nothing good has come for common man. You assume that atheists and pastafarians would not die to protect this precious freedom and I will tell you now sir that you are a fool. Similarly many a scientist has been persecuted by the church for teaching things which go against stated dogma and in all likely hood many of them did renounce those discoveries. We do not remember those people. We remember those people who chose to fight for their beliefs and risked persecution.
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Umm thats a tough one…. lets see, 0. Yea, 0 have died. Wow, I never knew it was so high.
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I hope the answer is 0. No one should have to renounce their faith under penalty of death.
With that being said, it begs the question:
How many believers of the Christian Faith have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived? Please cite specific examples and statistics.
The Jewish?
The Muslim?
etc…..
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Zero have died. Now we cal all rest easy.
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I know of one believer who chose to walk the plank rather than betray our beloved FSM.
ARRGH!
RAmen
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None!
Now, I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say by this, but if you’re suggesting that our religion has less merit than others for this reason, I refer you to Nietzsche – “A casual stroll through an asylum will show that faith does not prove anything.
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The FSM, in his Noodly Goodness, wouldn’t ask his Pastafarian followers to die for him. We’re pirates, by Noodles! and we never die. Arrgh!!! We don’t have to subject ourselves to being the tools of a totalitarianism cloaked in the pseudo-mysteries of theology. We drink grog, partake of wenches; we have a heaven adorned by a beer volcano and replete with a stripper factory. Hey, wait a minute, what am I waiting for? Forget the Earth, I’m going to be a martyr, grab hold of His Noodly Appendage and shimmy on up to paradise…maybe there are 72 virgin olive oils waiting for me…
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well at least he realises that this is not an original argument
durring the middle ages many people were killed for being athiest with things like the inquisition
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1. I don’t know of any Pastafarians who died for their beliefs.
2. “Believers” can only come up with so many arguements before repeating them.
3. Atheists can only say they are right so many ways.
4. Therefore, FSM is a VERY original concept.
5. Good post Henry
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
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And what would be the point of dying for the FSM? He is peace and carbohydrates. He doesn’t require us to die for Him.
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Where do these xians get these non-sensical arguments?
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How many original documents do Christian believers have, none….merely old ones. The only thing even referenced in all of history as gods writing is the 10 commandments which where conveniently destroyed.
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I died for my belief in FSM, but I feel much better now, thank you. :)
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If I died because I believed a power line was not live, would it then be true?
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Wait, so in order for a religion to be legitimate somebody has to die for believing? Wow, thats one messed up god you have.
Oh, and as for the “original arguments” thing, I suggest you look into the roots of your own religion. If it be Christianity, check on how many religions before Jesus had the concept of the son of god, being born on earth to a virgin mother on December 25th, was crucified, and returned to life. Theres actually quite a few. So if you want to take the original arguments road, might want to look into the plagiarism of your own religion.
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So far, no one has required me to forsake my Noodly Master, so I cannot personally answer your question. Besides, the FSM does not require belief in Him, in order to remain a Pastafarian in good standing, so it doesn’t really matter. Maybe some other religions could try the same approach. It works very well for us.
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I am confused by your second sentence, however. What do you mean “either”? How many other religions use the “Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” to explain their beliefs? Who else can clearly explain Global Warming the way we can? I haven’t notice that any do.
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I hope that you will someday be touched by His Noodly Appendage and see the truth.
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RAmen
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Poor henry.d, seems to believe that dying for a religion is some noble thing. How many wars could have been avoided if fewer people thought like that? Seems to be a better option to maximize flexibility and stay alive to fight another day.
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And what exactly is your point?
That the Church of FSM doesn’t want its followers to murder? Or die?
I’ve noticed that your type follows a thousand year old book, and call everyone who doesn’t believe in it a heretic. That gets real original after a few hundred thousand times.
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But still. I don’t know what your point is?
Why bring up people dying for a religion?
Do you support it, or not. Please explain.
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none?
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Well, none. We don’t start holy wars. Plus, we believe in freedom of speech and press, tolerance, using reason and logic to come to conclusions and generally being nice. So I’m sure tons of people have died for these ideals, just didn’t call themselves pastafarians.
And our annoyance with most people with arguments is that it’s actually copied and pasted, or simply raving insults linked together with poor grammar and meaningless babble. No interesting takes on these, or arguments that make the ignorance of the writer all too apparent. So I have to thank you for remaining civil. Usually we don’t get that.
Peace.
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Hi Henry D – If you are going to judge on the basis of Originality are you not hoisting your self on your own petard? After all did not your own Bible declare that there is noting new under the sun?
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(Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV) What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. {10} Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. {11} There is no remembrance of men of old, and even those who are yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow. {12} I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. {13} I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men! {14} I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
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As for believers dieing for their belief, How many people have died to uphold the American constitution which embodies, among other things, The separation of Church and State?
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PastaTux
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Sorry to break it to you, but the fact that people are willing to die for an idea does not necessarily make it true. People have died for every major religion, yet if one of them is true, the others, by definition, cannot be. And just so you know, people have endured ostracism, threats, and yes, even been killed because of their atheist beliefs, and the MSU chapter of Pastafarians has put up with a lot of harassment they could have easily avoided by keeping their beliefs secret. As for the second half of your post, I simply don’t understand what you mean. Arguments for what? Against what? Then again, if you were more specific, I’m sure you’d be opening yourself up to being proven wrong by allowing people to post said original arguments, so really that was rather clever of you. In any case, I hope you are toughed by his noodely appendage soon, if only because it may make you less likely to make a religious martyr of yourself. RAmen.
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See, now that’s just the wrong kind of question to be asking!
None of us have ever been put in that position, because we’re more or less shielded by his noodley appendages.
I’ve gotta say, as a deity who really looks after his peeps, FSM has a solid gold track record.
To date:
* 0 crucifixions
* 0 crusades
* 0 invasions
* 0 suicide bombings motivated by extremist misinterpretations
* 0 lynchings due to a severly warped view on moral values in the deep south
* only a mild amount of carnage due to climate change reducing the amount of available foodstuffs – no plagues of locusts and rivers of blood though!
So; no; none of us have had to die when we simply could have renounced our faith – we’re truely looked after.
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We’ll start coming up with original arguments when you start debunking our initial ones.
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I have!
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
I don’t see your point there I’m afraid. It’s arhetorical question really. But in answer: nil, none, zero. I don’t think pastafarianism was a very well known religion during the spanish inquisition or the crusades and I don’t think there are any jihads against us yet… I could be wrong about that last one however, they do stack up pretty quick.
“I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either”
Don’t get out much do you? Mind you I will play devils advocate here and say that maybe you’re right. MOST of the arguments are almost as old as the religions themselves. They being so obvious they were raised when the cults first started. I see with the ‘either’ remark you are acknowledging that the religious sects don’t have anything original either. Thank you for agreeing with us on that part, half our job is done then.
Ramen.
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I don’t think anyone has died for FSM – but since the FSM has has been worshipped for thousands of years only to be recently ‘rediscovered’, I guess anything is possible. I really doubt it though, because it seems like dying would really suck and stuff………. I mean a bad day alive still beats a ‘good” dead day the way I see it.
Since there is no way to definitively prove he doesn’t exist, and there are literally dozens of natural occurrences of HIM revealing his Noodley image to us documented right here on this website — well I guess the argument pretty much makes itself dontcha think?
Why can’t we all just get along?
Is it the beer volcanoes?
IT IS! You’re jealous of the beer volcanoes!
WWFSMD
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So what, you mean we are not masochists?
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No one hates the true FSM believers because they are an easy source of pasta, sauce, beer and you get to take Fridays off. who would want to kill them?
remember the FSM is a god of love and really dosn’t want to tell anyone what to do…dressing like a pirate and eating linguini are just suggestions not commandments, Okay..hmmm.?
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I believe the current number of Pastafarians that have died for their beliefs is somewhere in the range of goose egg. I’ll have to check that though for anything official.
RAmen
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That’s a new one… argumentum ad mortem.
Brother Boyardee
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To die for a religion doesn’t make it true or right.
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And another thing… “renounce their beliefs and live?” What the fuck is this 1632
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Pastafarians get martyred all the time. But the great thing about this religion is that you don’t have to die to become a martyr. Take me for example. I must have been martyred about 57 times by now, & I’m still here.
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St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Self-Canonisation
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since when is it a good thing to die?
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I died for my belief in FSM, but a few days later I rose again. I have forgiven you for asking this question, Henry.d. I do not, however, forgive you your punctuation.
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There are only as many atheistic arguments as there are theistic ones, because arguments for atheism are essentially counterarguments against theism. And how many new arguments have the religious presented in the past few decades that aren’t just new ways to look at the poor arguments of C.S. Lewis? As for Pastafarians, they have convincing arguments for the religion. For example, the Pirate/Global Warming correlation.
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Although I must say it is nice to be getting some hate mail again
RAmen
PastaTux
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Hopefully none. However 10 million have refused to part with their parmesan under threat of attack by Al Dente!
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Perhaps you could explain why you think martyrdom is a sacrifice for a true believer, not just a selfish shortcut to the best seats in heaven.
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Original arguments? It’s called science, my friend!
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Elvish Pirate Monarch : well said friend, well said.
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I also really like the either at the end of his statement, he sort of acknowledges there his belief (whatever that is) has no original arguments.
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the perpetrators of 9/11 were martyrs for THEIR religion….
was THAT a good thing?
may His Noodly Goodness shine down on you and bless you.
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We don´t have original arguments, and I think you neither. But I’m prety sure that we have the truth and the pasta with us!
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Yes, I love this religion more than any other right now, for a few reasons, it doesn’t have commandments, only recomendations, it is at peace and is a peaceful religion otherwise, the whole story is intruiging, and most of all it is humble, and doesn’t press people to join, like some other religions i can name.
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Us Pastafarians don’t have any original arguments because we are parodying and satirising your arguments in order to show where the are wrong.
But we do have a better heaven than you. And a sense of humour. And beer.
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I’m sure Henry thinks he has made a point here, but I have no idea what it could be. Not really surprising, if my assumption that he’s a fundie is correct. If I’m wrong, and he’s not a fundie, I’m sorry for the mischaracterization. Still can’t see any point being made, though.
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None of US have died thats why were here. Anyway hundreds of thousands of pirates died at the hands of hare krishnas, we will never forget them.
We are peaceful we try to keep people from dying.
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I too am shocked by the body-count of our last Holy War with the dreaded Pizza-lovers down the street. Oh if our fallen comrades had renounced themselves as Pasafarians, this tradgedy could have been prevented!
I wish I was actually saying this, it’s far easier to make your voice drip with sarcasm. *laughs*
RAmen all.
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Whoever thought that someone dying for a religion makes it any more or less true? I don’t believe in Islam and those kooks are blowing themselves up right and left.
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
no one as far as I know, if it would, it would be all over this page for sure.
And it does really say more of other religions than FSMism
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actually, we LIVE for our belief, we do not die for it – that would be silly.
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To my knowledge, no one has died for their belief in Pastarianism.
We are a good source of pasta, strippers, and beer.
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I am certain that there are fewer dead Pastafarians tahtn dead Christians, Muslims, Hindus, or even Jews.
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No Pastafarians have died because of their religion, as far as I know.
Argument concluded.
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Well, I nearly choked with laughter, whilst drinking a beverage, a few times when reading the hate mail here? Keyboard cleaned up OK.
*salutes Charles MacMurry and The Sacred Oars*
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Pastafarians never die.
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We’re the ONLY religion to have never declared a war in the name of our god (or in the name of anything else for that matter). We’re way too drowsy from all those carbs. Mmmm pasta.
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Dying for your beliefs does not make them any more true. How many Nazis have died for their beliefs?
“I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.”
If a religion that worships a Flying Spaghetti Monster and links number of pirates to global warming isn’t original enough for you, I can only assume you worship the chicken god a la the aliens from Jimmy Neutron. [forgive me for not remembering the name of the god or aliens; I haven't seen the movie in years]
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What? Die for my beliefs? Why? I’m open to the concept that I could be wrong. Besides, up here in the Great White North we need pasta, beer and strippers to keep us warm throughout the long sunless winters that drag on and on and on and on and on. While I truly respect anyone who joins the military to fight for there country as well as the freedom of others, the idea of dying for a religious belief is frankly nuts.
So many Gods, so little time.(sigh) Aphrodite.Where are you when I need you?
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what kind of foolishness is this!? have you gone mad you freaks!?
i would say that this is the stupidest and dumbest cult ever! hahaha….
you bunch of idiots, look at yourselves your hilarious!
try to recruit Richard Famador, will ya?
he might as well join your ignorance and stupidity….
hahaha….
you freaks are jokes!
go home to your grandmamas and suck your milk bottles!
you might have your minds fixed again….
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I know of at least on Pastafarian who has received death threats, presumably from Christians.
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“I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.”
That’s because “What the fuck you’re saying something that doesn’t make sense” should be enough on its own.
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bloodshed = existance of god? my god that is the most lame argument ever! well if it comes to that don’t you think jewisch believe is the most true of all? they have been slaugthered by millions! by nazi’s, christians, muslims. they endure the most suffering for they faith, so they must be the true religion! cuz everyone steals they religion, transformes it into another religion en then justify the slaughter of jews =) or what to think about inca’s? they where happy to have their harts ripped out for the rise of the sun god, so they must be right?
Or is the religion most peacefull like pastafarianism the one truely blessed by it’s God? I thing a LOVING God would! =)
“before taking the plinter out of someone’s eye, first take out the log in your own”
Ramen!
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for ever live the pastafarians.
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Better fed than dead.
He’s right. If only we had an ancient text to help us come up with fresh original ideas…
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I see the crazy hate mailers continue. Too bad that we couldn’t throw a little more chlorine into the gene pool and have some more xian’s off themselves for their beliefs.
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Did ye ever notice that most people that die because of their religion have been killed by some one from a different one?
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Btw, why do you care. Ask yourself why it matters to you what someone else believes. Could it be that their very existence pulls on the strings of doubt and disbelief in your own belief system, and you then feel the need to compensate by writing hate mail?
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how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?
As yet, I haven’t been challenged to death for any reason. Actually, when’s the last time you or your religeous buddies were thereatened with death to change your religeon to Pastafarianism. If it’s never, then why are you complaining HERE? All those dumb-asses who died for a fake religeon, and yet here you are, still believing in it…guess the wrong ones died for it. Would’ve been nice if the child-molesters, the manipulative asses in preachers clothing, or the fear-drivers would’ve been the ones who died…but no…it had to be people who actually believe what they’re told JUST BECAUSE that’s what they were told.
I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.
That’s because we spend half our time trying to get someone to refute us with logic on issues that are already known. Odd how, once we’ve proven something with logic, the question dies away as people understand the concepts. Maybe it’s that we should finish answering the original questions before we pile yet more on top to never be answered.
The real question is ‘How do we get people like you to answer questions without resorting to the same lack of understanding as you’ve always held to?’, which is a far more worthy question than any we may ask about your beliefs, and a requirement of questioning unfounded beliefs successfully. If you try to avoid doing that, then you’re a total moron, and we don’t even want you around unless it’s in a clown suit, or on the platform of a drop-tank.
-henry.d
What sort of name is that? sheesh.
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WOW, the sheer audacity of this guy to say that Pastafarians have died for our beliefs is amazing.
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Hey Henry, last time I checked, us Pastafarians have never had a Crusade, or a Jihad. Both terms, by the way, mean holy war. We live and let live, Henry, unlike many other religious groups who shove it down everyone else’s throat.
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Well, do we, as pastafarians, really have to die for or beliefs? It’s been awhile since I last read the Gospel, but I would say that His Holy Noodlyness wouldn’t really care if we renounced our faith to avoid a lame death. By renouncing him we get the chance to once again celebrate the most holy of days, the Friday. Surly, that must be more important to Him than what we say on top of a pyre tied to a stake?
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Are we not known for flimsy moral standards? Would it not be all sorts of ok to renounce the FSM? I mean, He knows what we mean, and actually I don’t think he care that much.
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nobody has died because of fsm
because us pastafarians are the most peacefull loving people!
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Ummm. Why? Are you saying we should die?
Isn’t that a great Christian attitude to have…wanting others to die for what they believe in…
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The reason that we have no “really original arguments” is that we don’t need any. We have other things like science, physics and comment sense. What is there to argue about?
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Not only Pastafarians don’t die in the name of their religion, we don’t kill in the name of it either. I think that’s one of the best indicators that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the undisputable truth.
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Well, considering what we get in heaven…
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if you christians think you can start another inquisition think again because killing us just gets us to stripper factories and beer volcanos faster.
RAmen.
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The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster tells us that the original pirates from which we are all descended were hunted and killed by Hare Krishnas because of their faith. Sadly, Henry D, we’ll never know how many candy-giving, pasta-loving pirates were killed by those fanatics. I hope, however, that you’re not suggesting that the true worth of a religion is whether or not you’ll die for it. If such is your thesis, then get thee to an Army recruiting office. You’ll have a chance to die for W’s religion in short order.
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We must count many of those who practice Christianity, Islam, Judaism, … as anonymous Pastafarians. Or like me, not so anonymous. In keeping up the wall between Church and State, men and women of both athiest and religious backgrounds have fought for keeping this American institution.
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Oh, how could I have forgotten that the number of martyrs is proportional to the truth of a religion?
And perhaps we have forgotten that to parody something, one generally uses entirely original material.
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hmmm, I believe that the body count due to an overindulgence in pasta, beer and strippers is enormous. The only god that comes close would probably be the Tobacco god… now don’t be messin’ with the tobacco god… his followers die by the hundreds of thousands every year.
But pasta, beer and strippers is a pretty close runner-up!
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No true religion can ever exist without large numbers of corpses. Maybe we should take up human sacrifice just to show our dedication :-)
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
According to our reliable and scientific sources, trillions of people.
Oh, and our God tastes a lot better than Christian God does. Although, I have to admit, I like the choice of your God blood now and then – I am bit fan of Zinfandel.
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None of us have died for our religion, but we haven’t killed anyone for it either.
RAmen
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The point is why should anybody die for a religion? There’s so much else in life worth dying for. Terrorism is a radical sect of one religion taking on another. Neither of which have been touched by his noodily goodness. So to answer your question, nobody has died in the name of the FSM, and that pleases him. Please refer to the 2nd “I’d Really Rather You Didn’t” for more clarification if it is needed. You will find your answers in the holy gospel.
As far as not providing original arguement, what is not original about claiming a flying wad of spaghetti (may his holiness forgive me for refering to him in such a heathen way) as the creator of being. If you say that it’s just a spoof of Christianity, are you not just opening your religion up for comparison to ours? We don’t need to make original arguements because that’s not the point of Pastafarianism.
Let’s just say I don’t feel any overwhelming urge to strap explosives on myself and do anything crazy, nor do I feel the urge to start a bloody hundred-year long war in the name of a set of beliefs.
RAmen
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go davie jones
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boo henry d
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@Earthbreaker
I damn well hope we do! If not, the beer volcanos are spewing for nobody!
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To my knowledge no Pastafarian has been threatened with death for belief in the FSM. many others before have been killed by X-tians for not believing in the crazy delusions in the bible. are you attempting to suggest that a faith is only valid if there are martyrs? sounds like islamo/judeao-christian fascism to me. the FSM does not require sacrifice, and for a god that is, historically, a VERY original Idea.
RAMEN
-pirateanarchist
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I died for my belief in His Noodliness, but then was restored back to 100% health… No, wait a minute, that was when I was playing The Simpson’s. But does it really matter? The main thing is that I was brought back to life!
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I’m not sure I understand the question. Is it a reference to the pagan Romans who killed Christians, the Christians who killed pagan germanics, the Christians who killed Jews, or the Christians who killed Muslims, or the Muslims who killed Christians? What about the Christians who killed witches? Or, could it be a reference to the Catholics who killed protestants? None of the above? All of the above?
Well, I guess it doesn’t matter. The answer no FSM believers have chosen to die rather than renounce their beliefs to my knowledge, yet. Also, FSMism does not require believers of other religions to renounce their beliefs under threat of death. Also, everyone has been touched by his noodly appendage, but none are required to believe it or die for it.
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hahahahaha I died many times already, but our noodliness seems to think there is more work to be done.
Therefore i am now having my pirate ship build at the batavia werf in lelystad.
to do our noodliness bidding on the high seas and help reducing the warming of this planet
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We don’t need original arguments when we’ve got perfectly fine ones. We just don’t have to make crap up.
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I think a couple of famous scientists of the rennaissance were forced to renounce their scietific beliefs by some religious body, but I just cannot remember who… oh yeah! Galilleo was forced to give up his “false” belief that the Earth revolved around the Sun by THe Roman Catholic Church. HE was forced to live the rest of his life under house arrest by orders of the inquisition.
(sorry if anyone posted that before me)
RAmen
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
Since the 9/11 hijackers sacrificed their lives for their beliefs, obviously Wahabiist Islam has much more credence than FSMism. Since the Holocaust martyred millions of Jews for their beliefs, the Jews have more credence still. Truth is measured in body counts.
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nice one Robin
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Have people even read the gospel? How many brave pastafarians didn’t loose their lives when the evil Hare-Krishna attacked the pirate ships?
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i would like to quote family guy, a conversation between Brian and peters dad, the episode with the chirch of the Fonz (great idea by the way)Brian: “wow thats very christian of you believe what i tell you or i’ll hurt you” Peter’s dad “now your getting it” as he hits Brian with the bible. thank you.
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Just last week I lost 3 members of a boarding party that went to loot a ship and fell for a pasta trap, sadly we couldnt rescue them, but we did sink the bastards that set it up. It’s just a typical day on mother ocean. I’m off, pillage and plunder await! Ramen
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I’m more impressed by a person who is willing to live for their beliefs. Much much harder to do.
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So you realy think that the martyrs are what make the religion beleivable? if so my good sir your logic is very flawed. If i thought that if i died i would come back to life and live better than i did before it wouldnt be very hard to give my life.
Also atheists dont need original arguments, the same arguments that are used are logical, scientific, and in most casses disproove religion. They are just having to be used over and over again due to the christians who are being stuborn as mules.
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Lots of times people have renounced their beliefs and Christians killed them anyway. Did you know that during the Spanish Inquisition, the game plan was for the Church to torture the “heretic” until he/she renounced his belief(s), then after forgiving them their sin, they burned the person at the stake before he/she could change his/her mind, thereby insuring them a place in heaven.
Way to go Jesuits.
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dieing is the easy way out
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Er, correct me if I’m wrong but I think the answer is “absolutely none”. Anyway, if I did try to die for the FSM, I am sure he would snatch me out of harms way with the touch of His Noodly Goodness. He is such a loving mass of spaghetti, meatballs and sauce that dying in his name is actually impossible. I would encourage you to try it, but that would be a little mean. Oh what the heck, give it a go anyway.
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OMFSM Neal, that’s terrible! It’s also quite interesting.
For one thing, I don’t know any Pastafarians whose lives were at stake, and even if they renounced their beliefs, I’m sure they would be killed anyway, just like Neal said.
We have plenty of original arguments!!!!!!! You don’t call a religion involving a Flying Spaghetti Monster and Pirates original?!?!?!?
And as for the argument part, http://www.godisimaginary.com may be interesting to you.
Peace Love and Pirates!
RAmen
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Letsa get out the ol’ calculator…..
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carry the two….
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… none.
I would also say that none have been threatened either, but whaddya know, look at the front page right now.
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We found the cure for death. Pretty cool, huh?
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Yarr! We will fight them to the death!
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In this modern world of Religion Bashing, Social Commentary, and misunderstanding a nice little religion that revolves around a Flying Spaghetti monster, that has never really harmed anyone, I think I would rather me a Martyr then live in a world in which there are people such as yourself who have taken all this time to find the website, type out a message and try (And fail) to think of something thought provoking and witty to put at the bottom of their letter, Just to show their dissaproval of this little group of people.
Good day to you sir, and Goodluck in all your Religion bashing endeavours.
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I died in a horrible car accident while playing chicken with a non-beleiver and died for my faith. Then He came to me in a vision and brought me back to life with his noodliness. Thats why i believe!
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henry.d -
I scream ‘ignoratio elenchi’ and attempt to flog the stupidity out of you with a wet noodle. Yar!
Next?
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Why , oh why, should people have to die for their religious beliefs? If there is such a thing as “the one, true god”, is he/she so demented as to take delight in the carnage that results from religious conflicts? Kinda like a video game, I guess. I think I’ll go wail at the wall.
To paraphrase Gen. George S. Patton – “The object of religious wars is not to die for your religion, but to make the other bastard die for his.”
What pasta goes well with sorrow?
St. Arrrrgyle of A Sissy
Pirate Saint of Gay Apparel
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Nobody has asked an FSM-er (-ist?, I don’t know!) to “renounce their beliefs or die” to my knowledge, either. It’s because everyone secretly, deep down inside [their stomachs] loves His Noodliness!
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Wait…How many FSM believers have actually recieved death threats over their religion?
I don’t think any. Mostly cause…This isn’t a widely known relgion. Seriously. i iddn’t even know about it until i read Rolling Stone last weekend.
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None have died for this “religion” because we resort to reason rather than blind religious dogma.
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What other religions have any kind of argument for their soundness? any?
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I’ve gotten a couple… All of which from (le gasp!) Catholics.
Appearently they got really pissy when I said that Fungus (A simple organism) grows on rotting plants and stones, no god required, throwing their creation theory out the window.
Though that could have easily been chives for the FSM’s dinner plate… but who knows…
RAmen
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To your question: err… no one has ever died for believing in the FSM; how many have died for other religions?
To your hurtful statement: I’d say beliveing in a Flying Spaghetti monster is pretty original.
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As a matter of fact people have died for pastafarianism. There was this guy in kansas that died of botulism afther eating a tainted can of chef boyardee.
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why do we need an original argument when we kick your ass with the ones we have now
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Have you ever read the bible? sr. you do realise how ridiculos some of those storys are. you savior is a zombie who is made of bread and wine. ours is a spaghetti monster. which is rerdiculose and which is one of the worlds largest religion.
and the guy in kansas was my cosin so hah
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My neighbour died because he believed that he can drive at 180km/h without any problem.
Therefore driving at 180km/hours should be a religion.
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I have lots of arguments if you would indulge me?
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Theory of evolution – pretty damn original.
As opposed to some other unproven and yet widely touted theories.
Theory of personal abrahamic god – copy of earlier zoroastrian beliefs
Theory
Theory of virgin birth – one word – Hercules.
Theory of life after death – not very original given everyone who is alive will eventually die. Fortunately you wont experience disappointment if the theory doesnt pan out.
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I’m not Christian ‘cuz God looks down my shirt at every opportunity!
Hows that for original?
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When was the last time ANY religion had original beliefs?
Ramen
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First, what the Hell? Each word therefore contradicts the last. How many people have “died?” for christianity. Before you say anything, think. A !christian! Hitler kills billions of jews, and shoots himself. So does this really mean he fucking died for christianity? I thought not. Now what? because methinks that was an argumaent!
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@ Amalric: OMG SERIOUSLY!!!
There you have it, Henry.^^ There’s our devotion.
BTW, dying for your religion is stupid. The FSM would say, save yourself, as long as you believe in me in your heart you don’t have to scream it and get killed. How foolish the Christian God must be, to tell His followers otherwise.
One more thing: Shouldn’t you think more about the people killing us on account of our religion? Hmmm… like that guy who sent a hate-mail telling us he beat up a bunch of Pastafarians? Or the one who wants to hit us over the head with a metal pipe? How about the guy who threatened to “take legal messures [sic]” against us for using our freedom of religion? (Hint hint: I’m talking about Bible/Koran/Torah/Something-thumpers. Mostly Bible.)
Shouldn’t they be called into question, not us?
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Why should anyone have to kill for, or die for their religion? It makes no sense to me.
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Answer: 0.
How many Christians? Jews? Pagans?
How many Christans have original thoughts either, honestly? Not you. I wouldn’t be able to pick you out from a crowd of haters.
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How many people have died in vain, relating to something just not there… This is not bravery, it is mere stupidity…That would not bother me if they did not kill for the very same reason…
And when you die, just say hello to the hundreds of muslim idiots still looking for the 70 virgins after a suicide bombing…
I will rather die for a plate of spagetthis…makes more sense :-)
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the more people die for a religion the more credible it is
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sounds like cristianity
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how many believers in God have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?????????
and please name an original religion????????????
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Wow, so becuase people die for a religion it makes it more credible than ours? Frankly, I’d rather die and go to a beer volcano and a stripper factory than a cloud with harps. Damn, I’d rather go to hell with fire and bagpipes that piece of crap you guys call heaven.
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Sparrow: There have been plenty of Christians with original thoughts. They’re called heretics.
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P.S. I’m dying for a good plate of linguine with clam sauce. Does that count?
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Damn.. christians Are Violent People.. O.O it’s Sorta Frightening.. like if you walk into a church and yell “HEY i’m Athiest” you’s get jumped..
it’s as bad as Yelling “PRRRR~RATT.” in front of Abunch of Crypts.. cept.. with the Gang members.. you’d Die Quicker.. The Christians wouldn’t be carrying guns and knives..
Can Some one Say “BLunt Force Trauma!?” ^_X
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
and this is an issue why?
just because people are willing to die for something, doesn’t make it right.
“I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.”
Oh and Christ-tards do?
2 thousand year old religion vs modern ever changing science… hmm…
RAmen.
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i say, let people die for their religion. then when they’re all gone, i’ll eat spaghetti over their graves!
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9.456.123.476.924 people, but the FSM has erased the evidence…
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There’s only so many ways to counter argue, and there’s uncountable pastafarians. We can only share the arguments for so long before we become as you seem to have become, unoriginal and dull.
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?
I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.”
Is that a threat?
Quickly! Bobby, change your address!
And also, other religions have even less arguments, NONE of which are original.
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At first I thought you were an idiot. Then I read the comments and realised you were saying that we haven’t died FOR our religion. Then I read your comment again. I realised that wasn’t it either. I realised that you ARE an idiot. None. That is how many. Absolutely 0. That is a good thing. That means we’re not violent enough to pick a fight with someone.
Here’s to hoping His Noodly Appendage touches you,
-GM
RAmen
If you have any questions about, or just want to discuss the existence of the FSM, you can reach me at kanastag@comcast.net
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