how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?
I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.
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I damn well hope we do! If not, the beer volcanos are spewing for nobody!
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To my knowledge no Pastafarian has been threatened with death for belief in the FSM. many others before have been killed by X-tians for not believing in the crazy delusions in the bible. are you attempting to suggest that a faith is only valid if there are martyrs? sounds like islamo/judeao-christian fascism to me. the FSM does not require sacrifice, and for a god that is, historically, a VERY original Idea.
RAMEN
-pirateanarchist
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I died for my belief in His Noodliness, but then was restored back to 100% health… No, wait a minute, that was when I was playing The Simpson’s. But does it really matter? The main thing is that I was brought back to life!
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I’m not sure I understand the question. Is it a reference to the pagan Romans who killed Christians, the Christians who killed pagan germanics, the Christians who killed Jews, or the Christians who killed Muslims, or the Muslims who killed Christians? What about the Christians who killed witches? Or, could it be a reference to the Catholics who killed protestants? None of the above? All of the above?
Well, I guess it doesn’t matter. The answer no FSM believers have chosen to die rather than renounce their beliefs to my knowledge, yet. Also, FSMism does not require believers of other religions to renounce their beliefs under threat of death. Also, everyone has been touched by his noodly appendage, but none are required to believe it or die for it.
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hahahahaha I died many times already, but our noodliness seems to think there is more work to be done.
Therefore i am now having my pirate ship build at the batavia werf in lelystad.
to do our noodliness bidding on the high seas and help reducing the warming of this planet
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We don’t need original arguments when we’ve got perfectly fine ones. We just don’t have to make crap up.
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I think a couple of famous scientists of the rennaissance were forced to renounce their scietific beliefs by some religious body, but I just cannot remember who… oh yeah! Galilleo was forced to give up his “false” belief that the Earth revolved around the Sun by THe Roman Catholic Church. HE was forced to live the rest of his life under house arrest by orders of the inquisition.
(sorry if anyone posted that before me)
RAmen
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
Since the 9/11 hijackers sacrificed their lives for their beliefs, obviously Wahabiist Islam has much more credence than FSMism. Since the Holocaust martyred millions of Jews for their beliefs, the Jews have more credence still. Truth is measured in body counts.
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nice one Robin
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Have people even read the gospel? How many brave pastafarians didn’t loose their lives when the evil Hare-Krishna attacked the pirate ships?
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i would like to quote family guy, a conversation between Brian and peters dad, the episode with the chirch of the Fonz (great idea by the way)Brian: “wow thats very christian of you believe what i tell you or i’ll hurt you” Peter’s dad “now your getting it” as he hits Brian with the bible. thank you.
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Just last week I lost 3 members of a boarding party that went to loot a ship and fell for a pasta trap, sadly we couldnt rescue them, but we did sink the bastards that set it up. It’s just a typical day on mother ocean. I’m off, pillage and plunder await! Ramen
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I’m more impressed by a person who is willing to live for their beliefs. Much much harder to do.
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So you realy think that the martyrs are what make the religion beleivable? if so my good sir your logic is very flawed. If i thought that if i died i would come back to life and live better than i did before it wouldnt be very hard to give my life.
Also atheists dont need original arguments, the same arguments that are used are logical, scientific, and in most casses disproove religion. They are just having to be used over and over again due to the christians who are being stuborn as mules.
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Lots of times people have renounced their beliefs and Christians killed them anyway. Did you know that during the Spanish Inquisition, the game plan was for the Church to torture the “heretic” until he/she renounced his belief(s), then after forgiving them their sin, they burned the person at the stake before he/she could change his/her mind, thereby insuring them a place in heaven.
Way to go Jesuits.
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dieing is the easy way out
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Er, correct me if I’m wrong but I think the answer is “absolutely none”. Anyway, if I did try to die for the FSM, I am sure he would snatch me out of harms way with the touch of His Noodly Goodness. He is such a loving mass of spaghetti, meatballs and sauce that dying in his name is actually impossible. I would encourage you to try it, but that would be a little mean. Oh what the heck, give it a go anyway.
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OMFSM Neal, that’s terrible! It’s also quite interesting.
For one thing, I don’t know any Pastafarians whose lives were at stake, and even if they renounced their beliefs, I’m sure they would be killed anyway, just like Neal said.
We have plenty of original arguments!!!!!!! You don’t call a religion involving a Flying Spaghetti Monster and Pirates original?!?!?!?
And as for the argument part, http://www.godisimaginary.com may be interesting to you.
Peace Love and Pirates!
RAmen
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Letsa get out the ol’ calculator…..
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carry the two….
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… none.
I would also say that none have been threatened either, but whaddya know, look at the front page right now.
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We found the cure for death. Pretty cool, huh?
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Yarr! We will fight them to the death!
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In this modern world of Religion Bashing, Social Commentary, and misunderstanding a nice little religion that revolves around a Flying Spaghetti monster, that has never really harmed anyone, I think I would rather me a Martyr then live in a world in which there are people such as yourself who have taken all this time to find the website, type out a message and try (And fail) to think of something thought provoking and witty to put at the bottom of their letter, Just to show their dissaproval of this little group of people.
Good day to you sir, and Goodluck in all your Religion bashing endeavours.
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I died in a horrible car accident while playing chicken with a non-beleiver and died for my faith. Then He came to me in a vision and brought me back to life with his noodliness. Thats why i believe!
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henry.d -
I scream ‘ignoratio elenchi’ and attempt to flog the stupidity out of you with a wet noodle. Yar!
Next?
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Why , oh why, should people have to die for their religious beliefs? If there is such a thing as “the one, true god”, is he/she so demented as to take delight in the carnage that results from religious conflicts? Kinda like a video game, I guess. I think I’ll go wail at the wall.
To paraphrase Gen. George S. Patton – “The object of religious wars is not to die for your religion, but to make the other bastard die for his.”
What pasta goes well with sorrow?
St. Arrrrgyle of A Sissy
Pirate Saint of Gay Apparel
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Nobody has asked an FSM-er (-ist?, I don’t know!) to “renounce their beliefs or die” to my knowledge, either. It’s because everyone secretly, deep down inside [their stomachs] loves His Noodliness!
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Wait…How many FSM believers have actually recieved death threats over their religion?
I don’t think any. Mostly cause…This isn’t a widely known relgion. Seriously. i iddn’t even know about it until i read Rolling Stone last weekend.
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None have died for this “religion” because we resort to reason rather than blind religious dogma.
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What other religions have any kind of argument for their soundness? any?
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I’ve gotten a couple… All of which from (le gasp!) Catholics.
Appearently they got really pissy when I said that Fungus (A simple organism) grows on rotting plants and stones, no god required, throwing their creation theory out the window.
Though that could have easily been chives for the FSM’s dinner plate… but who knows…
RAmen
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To your question: err… no one has ever died for believing in the FSM; how many have died for other religions?
To your hurtful statement: I’d say beliveing in a Flying Spaghetti monster is pretty original.
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As a matter of fact people have died for pastafarianism. There was this guy in kansas that died of botulism afther eating a tainted can of chef boyardee.
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why do we need an original argument when we kick your ass with the ones we have now
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Have you ever read the bible? sr. you do realise how ridiculos some of those storys are. you savior is a zombie who is made of bread and wine. ours is a spaghetti monster. which is rerdiculose and which is one of the worlds largest religion.
and the guy in kansas was my cosin so hah
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My neighbour died because he believed that he can drive at 180km/h without any problem.
Therefore driving at 180km/hours should be a religion.
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I have lots of arguments if you would indulge me?
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Theory of evolution – pretty damn original.
As opposed to some other unproven and yet widely touted theories.
Theory of personal abrahamic god – copy of earlier zoroastrian beliefs
Theory
Theory of virgin birth – one word – Hercules.
Theory of life after death – not very original given everyone who is alive will eventually die. Fortunately you wont experience disappointment if the theory doesnt pan out.
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I’m not Christian ‘cuz God looks down my shirt at every opportunity!
Hows that for original?
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When was the last time ANY religion had original beliefs?
Ramen
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First, what the Hell? Each word therefore contradicts the last. How many people have “died?” for christianity. Before you say anything, think. A !christian! Hitler kills billions of jews, and shoots himself. So does this really mean he fucking died for christianity? I thought not. Now what? because methinks that was an argumaent!
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@ Amalric: OMG SERIOUSLY!!!
There you have it, Henry.^^ There’s our devotion.
BTW, dying for your religion is stupid. The FSM would say, save yourself, as long as you believe in me in your heart you don’t have to scream it and get killed. How foolish the Christian God must be, to tell His followers otherwise.
One more thing: Shouldn’t you think more about the people killing us on account of our religion? Hmmm… like that guy who sent a hate-mail telling us he beat up a bunch of Pastafarians? Or the one who wants to hit us over the head with a metal pipe? How about the guy who threatened to “take legal messures [sic]” against us for using our freedom of religion? (Hint hint: I’m talking about Bible/Koran/Torah/Something-thumpers. Mostly Bible.)
Shouldn’t they be called into question, not us?
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Why should anyone have to kill for, or die for their religion? It makes no sense to me.
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How many Christians? Jews? Pagans?
How many Christans have original thoughts either, honestly? Not you. I wouldn’t be able to pick you out from a crowd of haters.
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How many people have died in vain, relating to something just not there… This is not bravery, it is mere stupidity…That would not bother me if they did not kill for the very same reason…
And when you die, just say hello to the hundreds of muslim idiots still looking for the 70 virgins after a suicide bombing…
I will rather die for a plate of spagetthis…makes more sense :-)
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the more people die for a religion the more credible it is
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sounds like cristianity
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how many believers in God have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?????????
and please name an original religion????????????
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Wow, so becuase people die for a religion it makes it more credible than ours? Frankly, I’d rather die and go to a beer volcano and a stripper factory than a cloud with harps. Damn, I’d rather go to hell with fire and bagpipes that piece of crap you guys call heaven.
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Sparrow: There have been plenty of Christians with original thoughts. They’re called heretics.
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P.S. I’m dying for a good plate of linguine with clam sauce. Does that count?
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