how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?
I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.
-henry.d
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your just mad….poor you
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I did. I’m posting from the bar at the foot of the beer volcano. It has WiFi.
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Nobody hates us, so we don’t really have to worry about that, now do we?
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Just goes to show we’re smarter than the average believer. BTW, if martyrdom is the touchstone you wish to establish for the authenticity of a belief system, you should know thousnads of guys named Akmed have bought the farm so they could new themselves a harem of 73 virgins. Next time you look at or see a picture of the New York skyline think about that.
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Yes. You’ve figured us out, Henry. We’re terribly unoriginal! Everybody already knew the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything and we just copied off them! We’re sorry!
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Lets see…..I don’t recall ANY Pastafarians dying for their beliefs. You have a rough estimate on how many christians have died for THEIR beliefs?
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On the flip side of that arguement, how many people have killed others in the name of their belief when they could have just walked away and let them live?
Religion hasn’t had any new or even compelling arguments in centuries.
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None.
Next question?
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lol wut?
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Measuring the strength of your faith by the number of martyrs puts you in a very special category of extremists.
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You don’t seem to realise that FSM is not a real religion. Most Pastafarians are Atheists and agnostics. Atheists are killed all the time throughout the world. Atheists in Africa and Arabia are murdered on an almost daily basis. Even in America, Atheists are occasionally murdered just for being Atheists: Madalyn Murray O’Hair and her family were brutally murdered in the 1990s.
Also… the FSM, in itself, is an “original argument.” We have plenty of original arguments, thanks.
Fail.
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I’m a little confused, help me out here Henry.
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Your last line, “I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either.”
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By either did you mean to include Christianity?
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Just asking.
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i would say… probably… erm…. none.
so that makes me alot better off that the followers of a certain sadistic ‘god’
FSM FTW!!!!
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Dear Henry,
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I have plenty of respect for those people, regardless of beliefs, who are willing to die before reouncing said beliefs. My issue with your attack is that you assume that the only beliefs one would die for are religious. Many people have died for their political beliefs, amongst those being the belief that the first amendment provides freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion. Church and state are seperate entities and whenever the two have mixed nothing good has come for common man. You assume that atheists and pastafarians would not die to protect this precious freedom and I will tell you now sir that you are a fool. Similarly many a scientist has been persecuted by the church for teaching things which go against stated dogma and in all likely hood many of them did renounce those discoveries. We do not remember those people. We remember those people who chose to fight for their beliefs and risked persecution.
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Umm thats a tough one…. lets see, 0. Yea, 0 have died. Wow, I never knew it was so high.
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I hope the answer is 0. No one should have to renounce their faith under penalty of death.
With that being said, it begs the question:
How many believers of the Christian Faith have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived? Please cite specific examples and statistics.
The Jewish?
The Muslim?
etc…..
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Zero have died. Now we cal all rest easy.
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I know of one believer who chose to walk the plank rather than betray our beloved FSM.
ARRGH!
RAmen
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None!
Now, I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say by this, but if you’re suggesting that our religion has less merit than others for this reason, I refer you to Nietzsche – “A casual stroll through an asylum will show that faith does not prove anything.
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The FSM, in his Noodly Goodness, wouldn’t ask his Pastafarian followers to die for him. We’re pirates, by Noodles! and we never die. Arrgh!!! We don’t have to subject ourselves to being the tools of a totalitarianism cloaked in the pseudo-mysteries of theology. We drink grog, partake of wenches; we have a heaven adorned by a beer volcano and replete with a stripper factory. Hey, wait a minute, what am I waiting for? Forget the Earth, I’m going to be a martyr, grab hold of His Noodly Appendage and shimmy on up to paradise…maybe there are 72 virgin olive oils waiting for me…
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well at least he realises that this is not an original argument
durring the middle ages many people were killed for being athiest with things like the inquisition
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1. I don’t know of any Pastafarians who died for their beliefs.
2. “Believers” can only come up with so many arguements before repeating them.
3. Atheists can only say they are right so many ways.
4. Therefore, FSM is a VERY original concept.
5. Good post Henry
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
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And what would be the point of dying for the FSM? He is peace and carbohydrates. He doesn’t require us to die for Him.
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Where do these xians get these non-sensical arguments?
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How many original documents do Christian believers have, none….merely old ones. The only thing even referenced in all of history as gods writing is the 10 commandments which where conveniently destroyed.
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I died for my belief in FSM, but I feel much better now, thank you. :)
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If I died because I believed a power line was not live, would it then be true?
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Wait, so in order for a religion to be legitimate somebody has to die for believing? Wow, thats one messed up god you have.
Oh, and as for the “original arguments” thing, I suggest you look into the roots of your own religion. If it be Christianity, check on how many religions before Jesus had the concept of the son of god, being born on earth to a virgin mother on December 25th, was crucified, and returned to life. Theres actually quite a few. So if you want to take the original arguments road, might want to look into the plagiarism of your own religion.
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So far, no one has required me to forsake my Noodly Master, so I cannot personally answer your question. Besides, the FSM does not require belief in Him, in order to remain a Pastafarian in good standing, so it doesn’t really matter. Maybe some other religions could try the same approach. It works very well for us.
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I am confused by your second sentence, however. What do you mean “either”? How many other religions use the “Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” to explain their beliefs? Who else can clearly explain Global Warming the way we can? I haven’t notice that any do.
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I hope that you will someday be touched by His Noodly Appendage and see the truth.
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RAmen
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Poor henry.d, seems to believe that dying for a religion is some noble thing. How many wars could have been avoided if fewer people thought like that? Seems to be a better option to maximize flexibility and stay alive to fight another day.
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And what exactly is your point?
That the Church of FSM doesn’t want its followers to murder? Or die?
I’ve noticed that your type follows a thousand year old book, and call everyone who doesn’t believe in it a heretic. That gets real original after a few hundred thousand times.
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But still. I don’t know what your point is?
Why bring up people dying for a religion?
Do you support it, or not. Please explain.
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none?
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Well, none. We don’t start holy wars. Plus, we believe in freedom of speech and press, tolerance, using reason and logic to come to conclusions and generally being nice. So I’m sure tons of people have died for these ideals, just didn’t call themselves pastafarians.
And our annoyance with most people with arguments is that it’s actually copied and pasted, or simply raving insults linked together with poor grammar and meaningless babble. No interesting takes on these, or arguments that make the ignorance of the writer all too apparent. So I have to thank you for remaining civil. Usually we don’t get that.
Peace.
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Hi Henry D – If you are going to judge on the basis of Originality are you not hoisting your self on your own petard? After all did not your own Bible declare that there is noting new under the sun?
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(Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV) What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. {10} Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. {11} There is no remembrance of men of old, and even those who are yet to come will not be remembered by those who follow. {12} I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. {13} I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men! {14} I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
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As for believers dieing for their belief, How many people have died to uphold the American constitution which embodies, among other things, The separation of Church and State?
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PastaTux
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Sorry to break it to you, but the fact that people are willing to die for an idea does not necessarily make it true. People have died for every major religion, yet if one of them is true, the others, by definition, cannot be. And just so you know, people have endured ostracism, threats, and yes, even been killed because of their atheist beliefs, and the MSU chapter of Pastafarians has put up with a lot of harassment they could have easily avoided by keeping their beliefs secret. As for the second half of your post, I simply don’t understand what you mean. Arguments for what? Against what? Then again, if you were more specific, I’m sure you’d be opening yourself up to being proven wrong by allowing people to post said original arguments, so really that was rather clever of you. In any case, I hope you are toughed by his noodely appendage soon, if only because it may make you less likely to make a religious martyr of yourself. RAmen.
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See, now that’s just the wrong kind of question to be asking!
None of us have ever been put in that position, because we’re more or less shielded by his noodley appendages.
I’ve gotta say, as a deity who really looks after his peeps, FSM has a solid gold track record.
To date:
* 0 crucifixions
* 0 crusades
* 0 invasions
* 0 suicide bombings motivated by extremist misinterpretations
* 0 lynchings due to a severly warped view on moral values in the deep south
* only a mild amount of carnage due to climate change reducing the amount of available foodstuffs – no plagues of locusts and rivers of blood though!
So; no; none of us have had to die when we simply could have renounced our faith – we’re truely looked after.
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We’ll start coming up with original arguments when you start debunking our initial ones.
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I have!
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“how many believers of the fsm have died for their belief when they could have simply renounced that belief and lived?”
I don’t see your point there I’m afraid. It’s arhetorical question really. But in answer: nil, none, zero. I don’t think pastafarianism was a very well known religion during the spanish inquisition or the crusades and I don’t think there are any jihads against us yet… I could be wrong about that last one however, they do stack up pretty quick.
“I’ve noticed that atheist and / or FSM “believers” don’t have any really original arguments either”
Don’t get out much do you? Mind you I will play devils advocate here and say that maybe you’re right. MOST of the arguments are almost as old as the religions themselves. They being so obvious they were raised when the cults first started. I see with the ‘either’ remark you are acknowledging that the religious sects don’t have anything original either. Thank you for agreeing with us on that part, half our job is done then.
Ramen.
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I don’t think anyone has died for FSM – but since the FSM has has been worshipped for thousands of years only to be recently ‘rediscovered’, I guess anything is possible. I really doubt it though, because it seems like dying would really suck and stuff………. I mean a bad day alive still beats a ‘good” dead day the way I see it.
Since there is no way to definitively prove he doesn’t exist, and there are literally dozens of natural occurrences of HIM revealing his Noodley image to us documented right here on this website — well I guess the argument pretty much makes itself dontcha think?
Why can’t we all just get along?
Is it the beer volcanoes?
IT IS! You’re jealous of the beer volcanoes!
WWFSMD
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So what, you mean we are not masochists?
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No one hates the true FSM believers because they are an easy source of pasta, sauce, beer and you get to take Fridays off. who would want to kill them?
remember the FSM is a god of love and really dosn’t want to tell anyone what to do…dressing like a pirate and eating linguini are just suggestions not commandments, Okay..hmmm.?
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I believe the current number of Pastafarians that have died for their beliefs is somewhere in the range of goose egg. I’ll have to check that though for anything official.
RAmen
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That’s a new one… argumentum ad mortem.
Brother Boyardee
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To die for a religion doesn’t make it true or right.
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And another thing… “renounce their beliefs and live?” What the fuck is this 1632
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Pastafarians get martyred all the time. But the great thing about this religion is that you don’t have to die to become a martyr. Take me for example. I must have been martyred about 57 times by now, & I’m still here.
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St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Self-Canonisation
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since when is it a good thing to die?
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I died for my belief in FSM, but a few days later I rose again. I have forgiven you for asking this question, Henry.d. I do not, however, forgive you your punctuation.
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There are only as many atheistic arguments as there are theistic ones, because arguments for atheism are essentially counterarguments against theism. And how many new arguments have the religious presented in the past few decades that aren’t just new ways to look at the poor arguments of C.S. Lewis? As for Pastafarians, they have convincing arguments for the religion. For example, the Pirate/Global Warming correlation.
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Although I must say it is nice to be getting some hate mail again
RAmen
PastaTux
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