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	<title>Comments on: Do you know any building that did not have a builder?</title>
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		<title>By: Tricia C.</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-512145</link>
		<author>Tricia C.</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the random frog took the words right out of my mouth.
Thank you my random amphibian. :D

♥♥♥R'Amen♥♥♥</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the random frog took the words right out of my mouth.<br />
Thank you my random amphibian. :D</p>
<p>♥♥♥R&#8217;Amen♥♥♥</p>
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		<title>By: steve sp</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-511044</link>
		<author>steve sp</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-511044</guid>
		<description>do you know of any analogy that doesn't quite work the way the author originally intended? yes? no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you know of any analogy that doesn&#8217;t quite work the way the author originally intended? yes? no?</p>
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		<title>By: the random frog</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-485470</link>
		<author>the random frog</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-485470</guid>
		<description>1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes
mountains caused by movement of tectonic plates.
stars caused by the collapse of gasses.

2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes
flower meadows.
lava flows.(Deadly but beautiful)

3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes
do robots count?
what about a birds wing.

if your trying to say that god created the universe. then who created god?

I'll tell you who, the Flying spaggetti monster!
RAmen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes<br />
mountains caused by movement of tectonic plates.<br />
stars caused by the collapse of gasses.</p>
<p>2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes<br />
flower meadows.<br />
lava flows.(Deadly but beautiful)</p>
<p>3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes<br />
do robots count?<br />
what about a birds wing.</p>
<p>if your trying to say that god created the universe. then who created god?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you who, the Flying spaggetti monster!<br />
RAmen</p>
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		<title>By: Pan</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-471547</link>
		<author>Pan</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-471547</guid>
		<description>I said yes to all of them.  Whats your point ?

Oh your trying to say the universe has a creator aswell... 

Ahh ic. 

Well yeh the FSM created it like we've been sayin lol

I think this should be removed from the hatemail section it's more supportive than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said yes to all of them.  Whats your point ?</p>
<p>Oh your trying to say the universe has a creator aswell&#8230; </p>
<p>Ahh ic. </p>
<p>Well yeh the FSM created it like we&#8217;ve been sayin lol</p>
<p>I think this should be removed from the hatemail section it&#8217;s more supportive than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-469371</link>
		<author>Neil</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-469371</guid>
		<description>Yeah, and it's Turtles All The Way Down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and it&#8217;s Turtles All The Way Down.</p>
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		<title>By: TheFewTheProudTheMarinara</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-466528</link>
		<author>TheFewTheProudTheMarinara</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-466528</guid>
		<description>So then, who made God?  Man!  That's why they call HIM God the FATHER.  He was made in Man's image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then, who made God?  Man!  That&#8217;s why they call HIM God the FATHER.  He was made in Man&#8217;s image.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndsey</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-465439</link>
		<author>Lyndsey</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-465439</guid>
		<description>Yes. Earth.

1. Caves - built by water

2. Reflections - painted by light

3. Cars are a human invention, but if you take it to be form of transport: our legs, built through evolution.

Easy!!! Next question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Earth.</p>
<p>1. Caves - built by water</p>
<p>2. Reflections - painted by light</p>
<p>3. Cars are a human invention, but if you take it to be form of transport: our legs, built through evolution.</p>
<p>Easy!!! Next question?</p>
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		<title>By: Olivier from Luxembourg</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-460357</link>
		<author>Olivier from Luxembourg</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-460357</guid>
		<description>When you look at a building in the street, do you claim to know the guy who did it while you do not have the slightest idea ? 

Well at least you do not threaten the people to burn in hell if they do not believe you... there is still hope...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you look at a building in the street, do you claim to know the guy who did it while you do not have the slightest idea ? </p>
<p>Well at least you do not threaten the people to burn in hell if they do not believe you&#8230; there is still hope&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MArc</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-450662</link>
		<author>MArc</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-450662</guid>
		<description>Who made the maker?
a: nobody, it created itself
b: another superinteligent all powerfull being

If you answered A, you acknowledge that not all things have a maker, or some things make themselves, thesame logic could be applied to whatever theory you are trying to disprove with this email.
If you answered B, repeat question with the other all-powerfull being instead of the maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who made the maker?<br />
a: nobody, it created itself<br />
b: another superinteligent all powerfull being</p>
<p>If you answered A, you acknowledge that not all things have a maker, or some things make themselves, thesame logic could be applied to whatever theory you are trying to disprove with this email.<br />
If you answered B, repeat question with the other all-powerfull being instead of the maker.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Seemann</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-441830</link>
		<author>Christopher Seemann</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-441830</guid>
		<description>do you know any dumb ass that makes retarded metophors? YES, no

do you know any jackass you is insecure? YES, no

do you know any way a building is related to biology? yes, NO

piss off come back with a brain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you know any dumb ass that makes retarded metophors? YES, no</p>
<p>do you know any jackass you is insecure? YES, no</p>
<p>do you know any way a building is related to biology? yes, NO</p>
<p>piss off come back with a brain</p>
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		<title>By: FSM means Females who have Sex with Males</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-438543</link>
		<author>FSM means Females who have Sex with Males</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-438543</guid>
		<description>Bah, more idiots who don't know the distinction between formation and creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, more idiots who don&#8217;t know the distinction between formation and creation.</p>
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		<title>By: grary</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-437822</link>
		<author>grary</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-437822</guid>
		<description>I had a Ford Cortina once, i pulled the gearstick out. And then someone crashed into it. Very unhappy part of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a Ford Cortina once, i pulled the gearstick out. And then someone crashed into it. Very unhappy part of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-436648</link>
		<author>kirk</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-436648</guid>
		<description>Let's play a game: 

I'm going to list a series of items that could only have been created by people and then you have to tell me whether you have ever seen one of those items that was not created by people.  If you cannot do this, then I win the game and I have single-handedly proved that God exists and created the universe.  Who wants to play?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s play a game: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to list a series of items that could only have been created by people and then you have to tell me whether you have ever seen one of those items that was not created by people.  If you cannot do this, then I win the game and I have single-handedly proved that God exists and created the universe.  Who wants to play?</p>
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		<title>By: Banditopants</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-432790</link>
		<author>Banditopants</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-432790</guid>
		<description>Caves are technically structures, who made them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caves are technically structures, who made them?</p>
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		<title>By: Squiggypea</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-427380</link>
		<author>Squiggypea</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-427380</guid>
		<description>yawn boring why didn't you join the debate atheists against creationists you would have been laughed at as well not to mention weak applauses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawn boring why didn&#8217;t you join the debate atheists against creationists you would have been laughed at as well not to mention weak applauses</p>
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		<title>By: Maclin</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-422845</link>
		<author>Maclin</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 04:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-422845</guid>
		<description>Although I do not know of any car or any machine, in fact, that was not created by some person or another.....what of something as simple as water...H20....2 parts hydrogen...one part oxygen....but...then who puts this..."machine" together....i've seen nobody taking two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen and making water...if you have...please send details :D....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do not know of any car or any machine, in fact, that was not created by some person or another&#8230;..what of something as simple as water&#8230;H20&#8230;.2 parts hydrogen&#8230;one part oxygen&#8230;.but&#8230;then who puts this&#8230;&#8221;machine&#8221; together&#8230;.i&#8217;ve seen nobody taking two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen and making water&#8230;if you have&#8230;please send details :D&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: FSM means Finite State Machine</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-420686</link>
		<author>FSM means Finite State Machine</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 07:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-420686</guid>
		<description>however ... 
indeed there are pictures and buildings that have no maker in the way of man. 

for example the pattern the watter leaves on the mudflat can be considered a painting 

and buildings like caves arent necessarely made by man
they are caved out by water

and thoug as a thechnical item a car does not exist  naturally 
but there is an equivalent ... some wind driven bushwood like you can see in some Westerns

However, though Im christian, i do not think something  like Mountains or  earth or man got delivered, unwrapped and set up ...
in fact there is no real creator(Laborer) to this ... however the existence itself has to exist somewhere ... but there we can not provide any evidence due to the closedness of the system/assumptions (go to a physics/math PhD to have yourself explained why).

So still I belive in GOD ... but not as a something that is real but somwhat that is beyond this existence ... 
 but on the other hand I AM EUROPEAN ;)


PS: 
It is quite funny that ppl think there is a beeing that can make anything ... change anything  ... and  still they think of it as a Slave Labourer following their demands.... 

PPS:
Dont get me wrong 
the whole thing is intelligent 
(by inteligence theory i am supposed to say that because anyone who does not has to be able to completely understand the universe...... talk to a cognition scinentist to  be told why)

so it ALL is intelligently set up to actually  fall together to originate.... well at least  me ...
but it is even more inteligent than anyone could actually think of</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>however &#8230;<br />
indeed there are pictures and buildings that have no maker in the way of man. </p>
<p>for example the pattern the watter leaves on the mudflat can be considered a painting </p>
<p>and buildings like caves arent necessarely made by man<br />
they are caved out by water</p>
<p>and thoug as a thechnical item a car does not exist  naturally<br />
but there is an equivalent &#8230; some wind driven bushwood like you can see in some Westerns</p>
<p>However, though Im christian, i do not think something  like Mountains or  earth or man got delivered, unwrapped and set up &#8230;<br />
in fact there is no real creator(Laborer) to this &#8230; however the existence itself has to exist somewhere &#8230; but there we can not provide any evidence due to the closedness of the system/assumptions (go to a physics/math PhD to have yourself explained why).</p>
<p>So still I belive in GOD &#8230; but not as a something that is real but somwhat that is beyond this existence &#8230;<br />
 but on the other hand I AM EUROPEAN ;)</p>
<p>PS:<br />
It is quite funny that ppl think there is a beeing that can make anything &#8230; change anything  &#8230; and  still they think of it as a Slave Labourer following their demands&#8230;. </p>
<p>PPS:<br />
Dont get me wrong<br />
the whole thing is intelligent<br />
(by inteligence theory i am supposed to say that because anyone who does not has to be able to completely understand the universe&#8230;&#8230; talk to a cognition scinentist to  be told why)</p>
<p>so it ALL is intelligently set up to actually  fall together to originate&#8230;. well at least  me &#8230;<br />
but it is even more inteligent than anyone could actually think of</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-417238</link>
		<author>Sean</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-417238</guid>
		<description>I can show you how to make music without a musician. But I won't because it's rude to do in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can show you how to make music without a musician. But I won&#8217;t because it&#8217;s rude to do in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Spop</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-411917</link>
		<author>Spop</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-411917</guid>
		<description>If you assume everything has a creator, it then whatever's at the beginning of the chain would have to have a creator as well. The only logical solution is that time, and therefore, the universe, actually had a beginning, which is supported by the scientific evidence that we can only see light from stars about 14 billion light years away (it tells us the universe began about 14 billion years ago). Time is a ray; naturally ifinite in the direction we're going. It therefore needs no creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you assume everything has a creator, it then whatever&#8217;s at the beginning of the chain would have to have a creator as well. The only logical solution is that time, and therefore, the universe, actually had a beginning, which is supported by the scientific evidence that we can only see light from stars about 14 billion light years away (it tells us the universe began about 14 billion years ago). Time is a ray; naturally ifinite in the direction we&#8217;re going. It therefore needs no creator.</p>
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		<title>By: lcpinho</title>
		<link>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-411678</link>
		<author>lcpinho</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.venganza.org/2008/04/11/do-you-know.htm#comment-411678</guid>
		<description>Do you know any god (of any religion, politheistic or not) that did not have a godmaker? Yes? No?</description>
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