1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes? No?
2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes? No?
3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to any of those statements… please give details:______________________…
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
1) Do you know of any universe that dis have a maker. Please post your documented proof and show all your work.
No, I do not know a building without a painter nor do I know of any paintings without artists or cars without makers. But we are talking about man made things. Why do people bother to learn how to make these things in the first place, if nobody is willing to use common sense when dealing with the big questions. You claim that God created everything however, the only available proof is an ancient book written decades after the death of this christ (which to me sounds a lot like santa). When people come back with actual hard evidence and FACTS the general response is to be “faithful”. If I told you that 2+2=5, you would say that it is really equal to four and you would be able to prove yourself correct. If I were then to say that it really is 5 because an ancient text says so and that you must remain “faithful” you would think that I was crazy. It is the same thing with religion. Hell, I was raised a Catholic and I enjoyed religion right up until high school, when I took my first real biology and math course. Religion is quite simply a way to keep people under control. No sex, no fun, and no logic. I do not believe that there is a heaven thus. I do not believe that there is a hell. I am free to do as I please without worrying about being punished by God and sent to hell to rot for all eternity. This does not mean that I will run around Axe murdering everyone because I do not think that I will be punished. This means that I am a smart enough and logical enough person to live a life where I do not fear God but a life where I am free to question everything around me. Everything includes your flawed belief system and the origin of life. So before you post smart ass and stupid questions, maybe you should take a look at how faithful you really are?
Have you had sex before marriage?
Have you even been intoxicated?
Do you curse?
Are you ever jealous?
Have you ever stolen ANYTHING?
Have you ever thought about adultery?
Do you go to church each week?
Do you do work on Sunday?
Do you eat meat on Friday?
Have you ever harmed someone or something?
Have you ever taken the lord’s name in vain?
If you said yes to any of these questions, which I know you did, CONGRATULATIONS YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
Good night and remember God loves you, and he is ready and willing to sentence you to an eternity SUFFERING IN HELL!
Buildings, paintings, and cars are NOT REPRODUCING AGENTS and are not alive.
Negates entire argument.
One all of those are inanimate objects. Two your arguement is incomplete an absolutely uncompellingin anyway. Get and education and come back and try again.
Define “building,” “painter,” and, especially, “maker.”
Thanks very much.
Oh, dear FSM, not this fallacy again.
1. Do you know any tree that had a builder? Yes? No? How about a rock? A bird? Yes? No?
2. Did you bother to read that we are on the same side, bringing religious discussion into the science classroom? Yes? No?
3. Did you know that the “a watch implies a watchmaker” analogy was debunked over two and a half centuries ago? Couldn’t you at the very least delve into newer philosophy to misconstrue to make your weak arguments?
4. Did you bother to think about what you were coping out of that lame little pamphlet that you ’secretly’ leave on the back of busses and under people’s windshields? Yes? No?
5. Are you capable of rational thought? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to any of the above statements, then you are a liar. A dirty, pitiful little liar. Have a pleasant whatever, just don’t have it around me.
This argument has been used many times. Your theory here is that:
1) A caused B, thus
2) A came before B, never at the same time, and
3) B had to have been caused
Your conclusion is, therefore, that the B (the birth of the universe) must have had an A (a cause of B), and you automatically conclude that that A is God.
In my personal opinion, that’s a little too fast to make a conclusion for several reasons. Why? Because:
1) The “A” subject could be anything, let it be God, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Pink Unicorn, Google, etc.
2) There are physical phenomenons that are spontaneous, such as Quantum Mechanics, and
3) Many things in nature are probabilistic, so much so, it requires equal attention as your own cause-and-effect theory.
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Point is this. Don’t go off saying that everything must have a cause, a beginning, and a purpose. All of those theories came from Aristotle, and Galileo long ago proved his theories can be radically wrong.
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To summarize, you’re theory is outdated, and currently being terribly abused. Do not try to convert us into the people of the past. We have already reviewed their many mistakes and terrible deeds, and all vow never to carry it out in our current generation.
Do you know any universe that you can prove had a maker? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to this statement… please give details:______________________…
1. Do you know any building that can reproduce offspring with variation (or at all for that matter)? Yes? No?
2. Do you know any painting that can reproduce offspring with variation (or at all for that matter)? Yes? No?
3. Do you know any car that can reproduce offspring with variation (or at all for that matter)? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to any of those statements… please give details:______________________…
Once again, we have some idiot quoting kirk cameron and ray comfort on here. see previous statements, my fellow pastafarians have it covered.
@all, but particularly the Jo(h?)nathans
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An interesting bit of mail my wife and I got recently was from a humanitarian group called the “Smile Train”; it was concerned with poor children around the word that were born with cleft palates. If you care, it won’t be hard to find pictures of them; in happy outcomes, “Before” and “After” pictures.
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Would any intelligent design advocates (most of which seem to be buddies or even bunkies with their Cosmic Pal) like to explain what the Intelligent Designer had in mind there? I mean, the odds of such an outcome are obviously less than infinitesimal unless A Really Serious Intelligence were at work….
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And would you suggest that the surgeons who worked to repair that kind of damage are interfering with the will of the Almighty????
Of course, as a Pastafarian, I do struggle with the same kinds of questions: Did the Noodly One want us to use our loaves, or just roll over????
I’m all FSMism but has anyone noticed that these post and most other articles are a little one sided? I mean i’m as antichristian/religion as the next Pastafarian but still, you can’t argue with a group that gives no feedback? This is all just mindless reaffirmation of each other isn’t it?
1. Do you know any building that can procreate? Yes? No?
2. Do you know any painting that can procreate? Yes? No?
3. Do you know any car that can procreate? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to any of those statements… please give details:______________________… (especially about the buildings and the car - I’d like a new house an car but cannot afford to buy them; hey, do you think if I bred my parents’ house with my car that the offspring would be a motor-home or a mobile home (i.e. a trailer)?)
Didn’t we alerady comment about this once before? Do these people not read the other hate mail, or do they just not get it?
1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes? No?
Yes. Ancient people used to live in natural caves. This is backed up by cultural debris found in caves, and the fact that people will still use one for shelter today. Those were built by forces of nature. You have no God.
2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes? No?
There are many natural depictions of beauty that are equivalent to being painted, even if paint wasn’t the substance used. Those were built by forced of nature. You have no God.
3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes? No?
There are many methods of locomotion besides cars. Legs, fins, and even truly rotating bacterial propellers. Those were built by forces of nature. You have no God.
If you answered “Yes” to any of those statements… please give details:
The details are this: You refuse to believe that anything except for a creative entity could have created all that you know about. If you are right, then the being that created all of this is far more complex than the resulting creation, and must, therefore, have been created by something yet more complex, ad infinitum. To say that God has ‘Always’ existed is to simply deny that anything has a reason by way of proxy from the top down, so why would YOU need God as a _REASON_ if God itself exists without reason for existing(note that you would then be the one who believes in an entity that exists for no reason or explanation, not me). If you think that everything was “Intelligently Designed”, then why wasn’t it actually “intelligently” designed, rather than haphazardly thrown together in a big god damned hurry. If you still think there’s a God, then let me explain that you’re ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, because the ALMIGHTY Flying Spaghetti Monster is that God, and as long as you don’t have to explain what makes you wrong, my notions are backed by the same evidence yours are, as well as science itself on top of those reasons you use.
Kudos to Dawkins for the reasoning I was missing. Too bad I’ll never get a response from this person. I’d be interested in knowing exactly why the FSM is immune from this sort of attack(though, he does generally alter facts to agree with his own existence), but failing a response, I can conclude that no such argument exists and that their god is unprovable, due to their lack of an acceptable defense, while the Almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster is completely safe from any attack by heathens of the sort who wrote the intelligent defecation message displayed above, because no defense for their puny entity could be found.
Yes to all three, but only because we have massive evidence to support it.
EPIC FAIL
Dear Matt,
Basil Baxter Loves You.
“This does not mean that I will run around Axe murdering everyone”
Basil Baxter is disappointed. Are you sure you would not like to try?
Ha ha…..linear thought makes me laugh…….and..cry….
Well, actually, there was this one time with an unstable lorry of paint, a large concrete slab and a very ingenuitive tramp….
Just kidding :P
But if your pointing our that the universe needs to have a maker, its no good trying to compare it to stuff on earth. It’s currently predicted that the first few minutes after the big bang were just filled with random particles and anti-particles. NO-ONE knows what it would have been like.
I believe stephen hawking has some interesting theories on the birth of the universe, read his book “a brief history of time”, it’s very interesting.
Show your workings.