“Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on it’s surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky and formed itself into the words “Coca Cola… 12 fluid ounces.”
Of course my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident is to move from the intellectual free zone.
Here is another:
“The Banana: The Atheist Nightmare”
Note that the banana…
1. is shaped for the human hand.
2. has a non-slip surface.
3. Has outward indicators of it’s inward contents. Green – too early, yellow – just right, black – too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of it’s wrapper.
5. Is perforated on wrapper.
6. Has a bio-degradable wrapper.
7. Is shaped for the human mouth.
8. Has a point at the top for ease of entry.
9. Is pleasing to the taste buds.
10. Is curved towards the face to make the eating process easy.
To write that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to write that no one designed the Coca Cola can.
Test 1.
The person who thinks the Coca Cola can has no designer is:
A. Intelligent
B. A fool
C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious
Now the document that I am referring from states that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings and focuses it’s muscles approximately 100,000 times a day. and that the eye has a retina that contains approximately 137,000,000 light sensitive cells.
The document continues and states that Charles Darwin stated:
“To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree” Agreed… it does not have the reference recorded so I do not know if this statement is true or false. But let me get to the point at hand.
If man can not create the human eye then how can anyone in their right mind believe that it was created by chance? In fact… man can’t create anything from nothing… we just do not know how to do it. We can re-create, reform, develop… but we can not create one grain of sand from nothing. Yet the human eye… is a mere tiny part of the most sophisticated part of creation – the human body.
Again… another statement which I would have to research and verify if this person actually made this comment:
“George Gallup; “If I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity.”
Now this statement concerning Albert Einstein. This is confusing… why would this man contradict himself? If he stated this… then every other statement that has been quoted at this forum is invalid because the man appears to be speaking from both sides of his mouth. In this statement Einstein is quoted to have said:
“Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of our modest powers must feel humble.”
Test 2:
1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes? No?
2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes? No?
3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to any of those statements… please give details:______________________…
Third analogy:
Could I convince you that I dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and then by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges? Logically, anyone with an intelligent mind might conclude that someone put them there. The odds that ten oranges would fall into a straight line is mind boggling. Let alone ten rows of five.
Test 3
Yes or No 1. From the atom to the universe is there order?
Yes or No 2. Did it happen by accident or must there been an intelligent mind?
3. What are the odds of 50 oranges falling by chance into ten rows of five oranges? ______________________________…
To declare that there is no God is to make an absolute statement. And for an absolute statement to be true; one must have absolute knowledge. Here is another such statement: “There is no gold in China.”
Test 4 What would I need to have for that statement to be true?
A. No knowledge of China?
B. Partial knowledge of China?
C. Absolute knowledge of China?
“C” is the correct answer. In order for the statement to be true, I must know that there is no gold in China.
Likewise; to state that there is no God and to be correct then you are stating that you are omniscient. You must have absolutely certain knowledge that there isn’t one.
Let’s say that a circle contains all the knowledge of the universe. And let’s say that you have an incredible understanding of one percent of all that knowledge. Is it possible that the knowledge you haven’t yet come across, that there might be ample evidence to prove that God does indeed exist?
If you are reasonable, you would have to admit, “Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God.” In other words, you don’t know if God exists, so you are not an atheist. You are an “agnostic.” You are like a person that looks at a building and doesn’t seem to know if there is a builder.
Test 5 The man who sees a building and doesn’t know if there is a builder is:
A. Intelligent
B. A fool
C. Has an ulterior motive
In summary: There are plenty of things that we have faith in that we do not fully understand. Most of us do not have a complete understanding that when you turned your computer on as to why it worked. You took a step of faith that turning it on… that somehow that it would work. You accept the unseen electrical waves that appear right in front of your eyes when you type your comments here. We do not see the reason for why the messages appear… because the powers that be are invisible to the naked eye. For them to be manifest, we need a monitor… so we can enjoy the experience of this forum.
God is not flesh and blood; He is an eternal Spirit. Immortal and invisible… like the computer waves. He can can not be experienced unless the monitor is turned on. One should approach the Bible in the same way as the monitor. If it works, enjoy it and if it doesn’t, forget it.
Or do you have an ulterior motive? Could it be that the “atheist” can’t find God… as a thief can’t find the policeman? Could it be that your logic is clouding your good judgment?”
-Jonathon
Billions of years ago
Published by Bobby Henderson February 26th, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 599 Comments
599 Responses to “Billions of years ago”
Dude, Jonathan, if I may or you know what i prefer Mr. Jackass what is your deal bro wtf did we ever you to you? Why do you find it necessary to come here on our site, put up for worship and what not, seriously What the hell did we do to you? You know what you lonely man you should probably find a life try to find a woman that is not your mother and just get off your soapbox.
RAmen,
J.J
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Hello handerob.
You’re right.
There is one builder for everything.
This is me.
Pleased to meet you.
Just one question: i never wrote such a thing like “bible”. The last time i wrote something
it was “Anal Whores III”. Maybe you misspell the telephone number?
GOD.
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oh my giddy gosh! all you people think stupidly! uhhhhh.
1) bananna’s are good but not to everyone. plus some people are algetic.
2) who the fuck would know if there were gold in china? the earth is allways changing, even if its changing at a slow rate.
3) lol RAIDO waves… lol… companies make them.
4) some of you people think on a way humongo scale!!!!!! no i dont think on a small scale. i think on a ‘milkyway’ or earth scale.
5)thats right BUY LOCAL!!!
6) true everything has a builder… but who or what is it? who is to know its god or the flying spaghetti monster? tell me… Who?
7) how are we suposed to answer the quiestions??? how? and FYI some of them dnt make sence.
and lastly… its not nice to call BAD names. so watch out.
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ps. a wicken is a name for good witches. :D
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Uhhh… no one said that the banana was an accident…
Bananas were designed to be eaten, but not by God – by plants. Bananas and all other fruits evolved (bet you hate that word) to get animals to spread seeds. Bananas are made for anything that can grab it and eat it.
Besides, I’d say that bananas are made more for monkeys, not for humans.
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And where did you pick up that thing about Coke? Coke was proven to obviously be made by humans, while there is no evidence that a god created the Earth (and don’t you say “the Bible says”).
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As for the Retina thing, if you have no proof why did you include it in your argument?
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And the “gold in China thing”: you need absolute knowledge of the universe to prove that God exists. How does you saying that the universe was created by a fantastic being not suggest omnipotence? And are you… denying the EXISTENCE of atheists? Because, as far as I know, I exist somewhat.
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In general, are you saying that life is so unlikely that the only possible it could have formed is by God creating it? That takes a vast leap of faith that cannot be proven. The universe has been around for billions of billions of years (at least, as far as the FSM will let us know). Through that vast amount of time, you’d think that life would eventually develop.
As for your concluding argument, (ie. it takes a leap of faith to expect your computer to turn on…), computers were proven to be designed by humans. Besides which, my computer breaks down half of the time, so you are not fulling fully considering you statement. :P
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Hey, what’s wrong with genetically enhanced food. It allows for the cows to be more versatile, and provide more meat per cow, meaning less C02, less $ and a chance to feed people in the third world. And there are no side effects, the testing that goes through before that process is implemented is ridiculous. Anyway, here is how you are wrong about the banana. (from my earlier post):
Also the banana has evolved to be eaten, because it’s seeds spread through your feces which makes excellent fertilizer. So the banana that has evolved to be sweet, tasty, easy to eat, and all that other shit, will be eaten, it’s seed will spread and the favorable mutation will prosper. Radio waves, we make them! Sooo, we create electronic sound signals or frequencies which can be picked up by a radio.
You are horrendously wrong,
-J.T.S.
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Zach, about early man (Adam and Eve):
It’s entirely possible that, since they were so close to creation, Adam and Eve’s children were so close to being genetically perfect that there may not have been any physical symptoms of incestual relations apparent in Seth’s children. Also, by this point Adam and Eve have already sinned, and God has not specifically forbidden his people from commiting incest at this stage.
Another interpretation comes from the trend later on to refer to an entire tribe of people by the name of its leader – the ‘tribe of Judah’ was sometimes simply called ‘Judah’, the tribe of Israel was referred to as Israel, so on and so forth. Thus, Genesis 1 may be read as meaning that God created the *tribe* of Adam, and afterwards created the *tribe* of Eve.
Personally, I am offended that you all see fit to be obnoxious, vulgar and downright incoherent in your arguments, when most Christians never attempt to bully you into following our belief. Admittedly some do, mostly in America (sorry for the stereotype, but it generally is), but should we in return judge all atheists because of the actions of a few?
In relation to the question of life on other planets, the Bible does not specifically mention anything either way. I have faith that we are the only life in existence; however, if there were I would see no need to make a dramatic reaction one way or another. If it exists, and God is the creator, then He must have made the aliens. His reasons for doing so would be beyond me, and indeed it wouldn’t much bother me. Israel were God’s chosen people, and at Calvary upon the cross Christ fulfilled his mission as Messiah, bringing God’s favour to all of His creation. Undoubtedly these aliens would not have heard of Christ yet, and so would not be believers; perhaps once we learned to communicate we might convert some, perhaps not. Ultimately though their existence doesn’t affect a thing.
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don’t know if this helps but if you drop the oranges into a 10 oranges long by 5 wide box and shake they line up quite well… esp if they are aproximatly the same size…. or you have the new genetically “inhanced” cubic variety…
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the exact same bannana arguement could prove evolution…. dumbass
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your banana analogy makes me laugh there are plenty of things that dont have this fantastical design for ease of use.
on the topic, what else does a banana roughly look like?
maybe a dick, for fucks sake
*gasp*
ive heard the term orgasm described as “the meaning of life”
its a naturally occuring thing, so why do you christians hate the fact that people
exploit it?
give us a fucking break. im pretty sure jesus did not rise from the dead, his mother was not a virgin and least of all she was not im pregnated by a ficticious spirit.
Mary, if anything was a dirty slut who needed an excuse for sleeping with the donkey farmer. fool proof.
“You took a step of faith that turning it on”
??
yes, in BILL GATES. not fucking jesus who didnt even have a fucking light bulb you fuck.
hate to bring this little fact to light but hey,
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT WORKING!
as the 6 million jews who died under hitler. ask the homosexuals who cant have the same rights as striaght couples becasue bush is a fucking jesus lover.
and anyways, in the extremely unlikely event that god does exist, hes a fucking prude and hell would be more fun anyway.
im no where near finished but i cant be fucked typing
(gods making my fingers cramp up in hopes of stopping this blasphemous rant!)
*rolls eyes*
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Odd thing about chances, they tend to happen anyways. In an infinitely large universe, all odds will happen all the time forever.
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LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqQttJinjo
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Ever think that the human hand was made to fit the banana?
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skinimini, the bit about being “Truly Blind”, have I heard that somewhere?
Sounds like a similar argument to that of a Richard Dawkins book…
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Anyway, to the important stuff.
Apologies for not relating this to bananas and coke cans, some people (namely the author of the article I’m writing this about) may have difficulty understanding the point being made here.
I may have missed something, but which part of the bible mentions dinosaurs?
Evidently, dinosaur fossils arrived there some how, but in no circumstances have we found human fossils in the same place as dinosaur fossils to suggest that they co-existed.
However, for this to be true, it would mean that there were dinosaurs a long time before humans.. So if the world was created in 7days (and humans on the 6th), doesn’t this prove the bible to be incorrect?
I genuinely want to hear an opposing side of the story to this.
I am an agnostic, and prefer to keep an open mind. I only disagree with those who try to force a belief upon somebody.
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pre- domestication banana http://www.dasmirnov.net/media/users/paul/PBF_02_3_image_04_full.jpg
CPT DanK
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Well……Why does the painter, builder, maker or otherwise have to be God???? Why can’t it be the Goddess, the Big Bang, Satan, or whatever other religious figures. Why do we have to believe that the designer is God? Hell, why can’t we all believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created us? Oh wait…we can! So, I’m wasting my time. You can believe that God created you, I can believe that the great mother Goddess created me, and they can believe that the Flying Spaghetti monster did it all. It is our right and our freedom. Why do a lot of Christians waste their time with trying to change people? Is the number of Christians decreasing? Is that why you spend so much time trying to change what makes us happy? Or do you feel it is your religious obligation? To save us from “hell”? Stop brainwashign our minds and live your life how you want to…and let us do the same.
-Leah
P.S. hope you enjoyed that bit from an 11 year old :)
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20 Reasons why Jonathon is dumb-must read through entire article to understand why this person is so dumb
1. A banana is just one edible item on this Earth. How many other edible things are on this Earth? Thousands? How many of them are like bananas? VERY FEW. So, if your ‘god’ exists, why did he not design every edible thing like that? Oh, wait, never mind. I’m sure he just wants to “test us”, and not make life “too easy”.
2. Ever think that maybe the banana adapted to its environment maybe- e.g. it needs a peel to protect it from damage.
3. Your banana argument proves that evolution does exist. (Bio-degradable wrapper to fertilize soil).
4. How many plants/fruits/vegetables aren’t biodegradable?
5. What’s all this accident stuff? Why are creationists (or ID “scientists) so ignorant? Evolution is NOT ACCIDENTAL!!! Who says Evolution was an accident? YOU!
6. I’m going to disprove your Coca-Cola argument in 3 words- Coca Cola Company. They have come out and said they have created Coca-Cola. When God creates a “Universe Creation Inc.”, let me know.
7. The eye. The only possible “flaw” in the theory of evolution (according to creationists). Evolution can explain the eye though. The eye didn’t just appear as it is today. No. It evolved, from sensing light, to sensing light and shade, then to rough shapes, then to more detailed shapes and colours, etc.
8. Here we go with that “chance” stuff again.
9. You are right. We can’t create a grain of sand from nothing. But we can create sand from small stones, which are created from larger stones, which are created from even bigger stones, etc.
10. In terms of the Albert Einstein comment, why is it so hard for people to understand what a metaphor is? Met-a-for- “a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something which is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblence”-Dictionary.com . To anyone with an IQ over 100, it is obvious he is talking about evoultion and development- not God.
11. Again, we get the test, which is obviously misinterpreting creation, because if you can see proof of its designer (proof as in, see it being built), then you know it’s designed.
12.Ah yes. The oranges reference, also misinterpreting the argument. Let me put it this way; instead of doing one test of dropping 50 oranges, do billions.
13. Isn’t it strange, that he keeps referencing “anyone with an intelligent mind”, although all the truly “intelligent minds” in the world are atheist or agnostic (or at least evolution believers?)
14. I’d like to answer question 3. On Test 3:
3. What are the odds of 50 oranges falling by chance into ten rows of five oranges?
Less than a billion.
15. A more accurate statement for Test 4 would be- There is no gold floating around in outer space. It’s called common sense.
16. I love how this person is talking about evidence, obviously oblivious to the fact that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER CONCLUDING GOD EXISTS (or is even likely). THERE IS LOTS OF EVIDENCE THAT EVOLUTION IS A REALITY, AND ALSO THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
17. For Test 5, instead of saying the same thing over and over (if you want, see my number 11), I will say that those who are athiests are generally very intelligent, so of coarse you would conclude they are all fools.
18. Isn’t it a little convienent that god is invisible and immortal and chooses not to contact us???
19. How exactly do you turn the monitor “on” anyway?
20. The reference “Could it be that the “atheist” can’t find God… as a thief can’t find the policeman?” is a new quote to me. I’m not used to being called a thief. I’m more used to being called “the devil”.
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Alana, why the obscenity? Do our views so offend you that you feel the need to compensate by bringing forth a veritable avalance of profanity? Come on, show some respect. I’m a Christian and I agree that the banana example is a weak one; however, there are other cases for intelligent design. For example, the structure of flagella on several bacteria.
It is often said ‘judge the religion by its book, not by its believers,’ and it is a shame that some people do end up exploiting religions. But at its heart, Christianity is a religion of understanding and tolerance – what is offensive about that?
What, precisely, does prude mean? I’m not familiar with Yankee slang…
Promiscuity has lead to a drastic rise in the proliferation of STIs, and the breakdown of family life. If sexual intercourse is unrestricted, then what value does marriage have? Or what relevance does family have? If you want to defend your right to catch syphilis from whoever you want then go ahead, but surely it’s madness to support a society that condones such behaviour?
O’Bryan, I don’t necessarily take Genesis to be totally literal: perhaps God didn’t make the world in precisely seven days, but He created the world none-the-less. As for dinosaurs, just because they aren’t mentioned, doesn’t mean that they disprove anything the Bible says. “And God said, Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind. And it was so.” (Genesis 1:24) No specific creatures are mentioned here. Since we’re not taking Genesis’ timescale literally, remember, this leaves quite a scope for dinosaurs to have been created and then to fall into extinction before the creation of Man.
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Our logic CLOUDING our good judgement?
Surely logic is the best form of judgement.
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Pointed tip for ease of entry? wtf is this guy using a banana for?
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what silly arguments, “bananas taste good because god made them to taste good to us!”
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If you do not understand why the world is in order then you obviously know nothing about evolution or ecology.
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At first let me say to the author of the original article: You really missed the point of the evolution theory. So please, before you try to disprove it, try to understand it first. And understanding doesn´t mean to read about it in an ID – book!
I came across an argument concerning the flagella of bacteria. This is one of the BIG arguments of ID-people to disprove evolution. So before I start with the explanation, make sure you understood the evolution theory before you read it.
One ID argument against evolution is the following one: Flaggella of bacteria (with which they move around) are made out of about 30 types of Proteins. Every protein is essential for the function of the flagella movement. So it has to be created as one unit, and can´t have evolved peace by peace. So say the creationists. I heard this a while ago and thought: That´s easy to explain, because what they don´t understand (or do understand but don´t say) is the following:
We only see what is today, we don´t see how it started. As an example: Take a wheel and spin it. It will spin. Now take a cog wheel and apply it to the wheel. Spin the cog, and the other wheel will spin too. Now if you add a second cog wheel and spin it, the effect will be the same, the wheel at the end will spin. Now one after the other, you add cogs until you have 30 of them in a row. If you spin the last one, the original wheel will spin, too. But if you remove ANY wheel in the line, nothing will happen, because every wheel has now become essential to the system.
For those who say: Why should there be a second cog after the first one, it doesn´t improve the system!”
IT`S AN EXAMPLE (we can also assume the wheels get bigger in the line so you need less force to spin the original wheel)
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There is no *hard evidence* proving that God does not exist. Science is merely an evidence-based form of faith: faith that the future resembles the past, and so on.
An whilst not accidental per se, evolution is random, therefore un-testable, therefore unscientific. Scientific theories must be able to be shown to be false – there is no method of proving evolution true or false. And besides, who says evolution disproves God? Couldn’t God adapt His creations from time to time? Perhaps He likes a bit of change?
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Of all the hate mail, this is the funniest. This person uses tests and logic to refute FSMism and to try to prove God’s existence. As if for thousands of years for the answers have eluded us, proof has remained hidden, our logic was wrong… then this guy has an epiphany while comtemplating his banana and now there can be no doubt. Tests and logic are why so many people DON’T believe in god. I really enjoy the irony.
I’m so tired of these people who point at wonderful things and then say, “see, HE must exist!” Evolution, probability, chemistry, physics. These are all pretty amazing things. And they do a wonderful job explanining most of our universe. Just because we don’t have every answer doesn’t mean that there must be a god. It just means we’re not smart enough or haven’t had enough time to crack the problem. That’s all. The theory of the coke can though, that really got me going. I wonder if this dude is really George Carlin just getting laughs at our expense. What a clown!
But seriously, look up the definition of “satire” please.
Deep down, I think that most athiests are really agnostics. Too many people confuse their logic on both sides of the fence and stand to firmly on the shakey ground. Just because we don’t think your evidence proves a damn thing other than you are pretty superstitious doesn’t mean that we believe that there CAN’T be a god. We just THINK there probably ISN’T. The key here is to understand the nuances in the symantics. Of course we don’t KNOW. I believe that there is only one being who KNOWS the answer.. or there are none. Neither you nor me.
PS, funny bit of irony: If a Christian goes to his grave believing that his God is waiting for him in the afterlife, he’ll know if he was right but he will never know if he was wrong.
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By the way, I’m allergic to bananas… There’s some irony! God designed the perfect fruit and then made me unable to eat it.
I’m also allergic to tree nuts, celery, carrots, melons, avocado, kiwi, lettuce…
I’d be a terrible Christian.
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*Sigh*
It’s a shame when a person’s faith boils down to the schematics of a banana. Christianity is a wonderful religion – look at all of it’s bright and intellectual students!
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(this is something someone once said about this and it made me laugh)
If the banana was created by God for us, then the pineapple was God’s way of saying F-ck you!
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What if I am deathly allergic to bananas?
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Deductively Invalid.
Are watches designed?
Yes.
Why?
Because there IS an object made by humans.
Is nature designed?
It looks to be.
Why?
Because everything has a maker.
Why?
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Man-made things are designed by man. It doesn’t mean that if something looks to be designed it then must be designed. You are trying to prove that. Do it.
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Test 1: Of course, there’s a designer. Where do you think Coca-Cola plants got the idea from?
Test 2:
1. No.
2. No.
3. Yes. Unless you count a fog as a maker…
Test 3:
1. There is never order, thus constant chaos.
2. Not on accident, it just happened. No intelligent mind, just actions occuring. Ever heard of the Big Bang? Don’t think there’s a mind behind that.
3. Pretty darn good. Imagine if you were a midget, or you were stooping. You could drop them and make ten rows of five.
Test 4:
1. C. In order to be correct, you’d need quite a bit of information about China, as well as some proof. And here’s your proof. If there is a God, may he smite you now. You still alive? Thought so.
Test 5:
1. A. Did the planets have makers?
And for your final points, of course it works, nothing is immortal, and I’m pretty sure I’m nnot running from God, like a thief is from a policeman, because he doesn’t exist. The only true god is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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The connections you are making have nothing to do with whether there is a god or not. Thus, what you say is meaningless, anyone can make connections to things such as, “there is water, there for god cant exist” (hey, im pretty good at this, how bout another =).) There is no proof that god exist, and saying ” prove me wrong ” does not make you right, even if you think you are… There is a likeness of our god among us, You see pasta most every day. So, as i see it, we have more proof =), prove me wrong =D.
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you know what else a banana is good for? it fits in you vagina.
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I love the fact that most people on here seem offended by this person’s apparent lack of reason and logic, and yet when I attempt to challenge people on here and try to enter into logical discourse, I am ignored. A sign of hypocrisy? Perhaps…
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I always wonder where these ‘Intelligent Design’ weenies think their god came from. Surely such a complex & powerful being had a creator. Could it be… the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Seems to be a much more likely explanation than the old theory that it’s “Turtles all the way down, young man!” (look it up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down :-), though even that is more cosmologically satisfying than the argument that “the universe was created by god, but god’s just always been there”.
I’ve always enjoyed reading ID “arguments from incredulity”, in which they claim that there must be a god because they can’t imagine it being otherwise. Wonder if my Dynamics prof in college would have bought that argument… “I don’t see why you marked this answer wrong; I can’t imagine the world working other than as I’ve shown it”. It’s a shame that the ID crowd continues to poison their kids’ minds with this kind of illogical drek. As long as they do we may never manage to move our average level of cultural maturity beyond its current 19th century level.
But there is room for hope; after all, they almost never try to burn witches anymore, and most of them admit that the earth isn’t flat and that it’s not the center of the universe. It’s only a short jump from there to admitting that they’re venerating the substantially edited wisdom of bronze age shamans, and that their own beliefs are roughly on the same level as the ‘pagan’ gods they look down their nose at.
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There’s a very simple answer to your banana argument: artificial selection.
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“You took a step of faith that turning it on… that somehow that it would work.”
Well, no, not really. I was reasonably certain that the computer would not explode when I turned on the computer, and I had seen the computer turned on several times, and it worked, without exploding, therefore I turned it on, assuming that it would work because it always had. There was no faith involved. I assume that I’ll wake up in the morning, but I don’t “have faith” that I’ll wake up in the morning. I assume that I’ll wake up in the morning because I’ve woken up thousands of other times.
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“1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes? No?
2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes? No?
3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes? No?
If you answered “Yes” to any of those statements… please give details:______________________…”
Imbedded in your argument is the conclusion “The universe was created by a deity.” This is what we call circular logic.
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To prove there is no gold in China I must 1st take the statement posed to be meaningful. It is. I know gold exists; I have a wedding band on my finger. I’ve not been to China but all the evidence I’ve seen seems to support its existence. Now I am willing to execute the proof.
How is that proof parallel to the statement that god does not exist in the universe? You would have to first prove to me that god exists, as gold does, for the premise of the proof to be valid. But you are attempting to prove god’s existence by proving that this statement is false. Your lack of logic is stupefying. According to your logic, the statement that the FSM does not exist in the universe proves the existence of His Noodliness. Brilliant!
Your logic also leads you to believe that everything has to have a designer. But your logic does not lead you to believe that god himself had a designer. If you are willing to abandon your logic at all, why not abandon it at the level of the known universe, and believe that it did not have a designer? In abandoning your logic you are forced to CREATE a god that fits the bill – eternal, intelligent (whatever that means in our pitifully limited minds), immutable, etc. Unfortunately, you’ve merely DEFINED your expectations of god, not proved his existence.
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one word……idiot!!
I’m 17 years old and i know not to compare the creation of MAN-MADE-MATERIALS to the creation of Earth and evolution….if you saying that because a man invented coca~cola…the earth couldn’t be the result to a collision that after millions and millions of years…the sun melted the frozen surface..which led to condensation…which led to fertilization…etc…etc…then YOU are the one messed up here!! i usually respect peoples believes….but when someone tries to sound smart…with no knowledge or accurate facts of the subject with intension’s of insulting mine…it really bugs me! ohhh…and the banana thing….lets see …if “god” really gave it thought to make it easier for us to eat and peal a fruit…then why am i wasting my time eating watermelon…hurray!!! to the gift of a easy-peal-&-eat-penis-shaped fruit!!!
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Dumbass.
Humans breed bananas to produce the outcome that you find in grocery stores. The ones you find in wild jungles are much smaller and less tasty.
Go educate yourself, then come back.
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here’s a paradox for you. You say everything has a maker right? if god built the universe, who made god? Last time I asked this question I was told he always existed. So why is it the universe couldn’t have always existed? And if there is someone who made god then who made his/her/it’s maker? and so on. cause this paradox goes on and on for who is who’s maker so it has no end. or if you take the simple way out and say he just always been there. How can you mock people who believe the universe has always existed?
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Did this guy ever come back and reply to any of our arguments?
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If not what is the point of repeating them over and over again?
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RAmen
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@ James
Mar 25th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
“15. A more accurate statement for Test 4 would be- There is no gold floating around in outer space. It’s called common sense.”
Actually, there is gold in outer space. Every element that exists naturally on earth has to exist in space. However, there is probably no china in space. Not counting Chinese astronauts.
RAmen
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Statistically, in a twice infinite universe (infinite in size, infinite in time), EVERYTHING can happen.
Being an atheist is not about believing firmly there is no god, it is not considering theories that are not supported by any evidence. Like god, the elves, ESP, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You do not need an evidence to not believe in god, you need evidences to believe. Evidences we do not have.
If you are honest with yourself, maybe believing that there is “something” that created everything is legitimate, but, certainly not the god from the bible. Because there have been many, many, many other relgions, and there still are. And there isn’t a reason to believe that this one is the right one. Actually, quite to the contrary. If the bible was true, then the new and old testaments would not contradict each other. A being as all-knowing as “god” would not change his mind about the essential reality. And he would not have waited 30 000 years to manifest it.
If there has been an “intelligent designer”, we have no clue of who he is. We don’t know if he cares about what we do (why would he?). We don’t know if he still exists. We don’t know if he’s one, two or many more. We don’t know how he acts, where he is, if he still acts, if he’s got a goal, if he’s nice or mean… So, not knowing any of this, why waste time with him?
PS: by the way, why did the intelligent designer make nuts so hard to crack, couldn’t he just do with every fruit like he did with bananas?
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Why can’t you leave our religion alone? Do Christians (and others) have to attack any religion that’s not their own? And the one thing wrong with your theory is that it is not proven that God created us. It could just as easily have been the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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I think I’ll answer each of these points one by one.
“The Banana: The Atheist Nightmare”
Note that the banana…
1. is shaped for the human hand.
So are rocks. Besides, if your God really wanted perfect hand-held bananas, they’d be much more handy.
2. has a non-slip surface.
So do rocks. :P
3. Has outward indicators of it’s inward contents. Green – too early, yellow – just right, black – too late.
So are rocks- wait, crap.
No arguments here, it does indicate what’s inside by color. Of course, that’s all nutrient-based and stuff.
4. Has a tab for removal of it’s wrapper.
Are you kidding? I usually have to whack that bit off with a knife, the stem’s a bitch to peel off without mushing up the top a bit.
5. Is perforated on wrapper.
Um, what.
6. Has a bio-degradable wrapper.
So does your mom. ‘S true, think about it.
7. Is shaped for the human mouth.
Wait, shaped for the mouth AND the hand? Make up your mind.
8. Has a point at the top for ease of entry.
So you think cylinder-shaped bananas would disprove your god’s existence.
9. Is pleasing to the taste buds.
Depends who you ask. Just because something has the right chemical formula, doesn’t mean everyone loves to eat them.
10. Is curved towards the face to make the eating process easy.
That curve could poke an eye out.
AND SO THE BRAVE PIRATE HATH VERILY OWNED THE HEATHEN, AND ALL REJOICED IN A GRAND FEAST OF CARBS. RAMEN.
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First of all even though the chance of it happening would be so slim it is nearly impossible (Which just so you know means that it is still possible) throwing around all of the atoms that make up everything yes a coke can full of coke painted with the logo and having an easy to open tab could be formed with out someone purposely making it. Second the banana, just because you find it tasty and perfect for your diet doesn’t mean it is divinely crafted. I know quite a few people who hate the flavor and even some who are allergic to it. The building question depends on what actually is defined as a building. There are many caves that have tunnels and catacombs that were carved out by wind and water and are and were used as houses and places of business. I know you would argue well the creator is God but to say that shows how stuck on your faith you are. If you don’t understand it or if you can’t think of anything else that could have caused it well then you will say it was in a god’s name.
-“George Gallup; “If I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity.”-
Well of course it is a monstrosity. If I could prove that anything happened exactly that way everything the same and no detail left out and then calculate that it would happen again the exact same way it would seem almost impossible.
-Likewise; to state that there is no God and to be correct then you are stating that you are omniscient. You must have absolutely certain knowledge that there isn’t one.-
I don’t know if you thought about it the other way but to say that there is for a fact a god would require the same omniscient quality as denying him.
The Worshiper’s nightmare.
“Fine everything is so complicated it requires a creator. This creator must be pretty complicated….so did he just happen or did someone make him to, cause that is who I want to worship.”
On the same note to say he always existed is a horrible argument if that were the case it would be like admitting that life could have always existed.
Is it really that hard for people to think hey I am here and it could have happened this way so who knows?
I don’t now if FSM is real but I know spaghetti taste better then those wafers at church.
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It is also known that monkies( the primary consumer of bananas) open them from the bottom because it’s easier and not from the “easy open tab”
let’s use real facts and not just make them up…
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I don’t know if anybody’s said this:
The banana argument was made by Kirk Cameron (of Growing Pains fame) after he got hooked up with that fundamentalist guy. Their group is, I believe, called “The Way of the Master”. It didn’t make sense to me then either…
Also, when you choose to breed bananas that are made for the human hand, perfectly yellow, a nice filling size, and have a wonderfully long stem, they are INDEED perfect for human consumption. But we did that, not a deity.
And besides, these kinds of things happen in nature too. Things that work with their environment better live to reproduce. If a fruit is very, very tasty, more animals will eat it. Those seeds are then more widely distributed in animal droppings, a wonderful fertilizer to be sure, and more plants are made. It’s a very slow process. Rome wasn’t built in a day, you know.
But then, if the earth is only 6,000 years old, what do I know right?
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