I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COG
I don’t understand why you all hate God
Published by Bobby Henderson February 24th, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 362 Comments
362 Responses to “I don’t understand why you all hate God”
Isn’t that supposed to be “God”. I think you’d better get back in touch with the one true entity worth worshipping–FSM.
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LIES!!! Christianity did NOT originate at the beginning of time…It originated less than 2008 years ago. Judaism was around since the “beginning” of time, biblically (old testament based) around 6000 years ago. And the FSM gospel does account for the discrepancy in the fossil record; Yahweh makes no assertion of the power to manipulate radiocarbon, acceerator mass spectometry, or any other dating techniques.
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I think you need to re-read your ancient history books, dude. And we don’t hate god. How can you hate something that doesn’t exist?
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i lol’d!
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I’ll take this one step at a time.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Making an assumption without bothering to do careful research. I think a significant number of us actually believes in God (I don’t, but as an Animist, I believe in souls and spirits). We’re merely united by one cause that to teach the Creation of earth–according to the Bible–as science is wrong.
Notice my wording: “creation of earth AS SCIENCE”. We have nothing against believing that the Universe was begun by an omnipotent force. We have A LOT against thinking that this count as science: exactly what is that force? Can we see it? Is it detectable? If there’s no way we can observe or detect this Creation force directly, then it doesn’t abide by the strict limits of science.
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To summarize: God is not scientific. This doesn’t mean we hate God, or that we don’t believe Him. It means he is not an observable force, and is strictly not in the realm of science.
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“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
Well, considering that the Bible is rather vague (and occasionally self-contradictory), you have to be careful at considering what is accurate and what isn’t. For example, the fruit that Adam and Eve ate could not have been an apple due to the warm climates of the garden of Eden. It’s also worth noting that any “magical” event in the Bible is wildly exaggerated. The part where Jesus walks on water is found that the accounted water body iced up at correct climates; that is, Jesus walked on ice. Even Moses’ water dwelling to the promise land is found to be a strip of landmass traversable only when the tides recedes, and only for a short time.
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Basically, the Bible may have some historical accuracies, but most of them are either exaggerated or have incorrect details.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
This is blatantly wrong. We have too much evidence that Christianity was NOT the first religion, and further evidence that humanity has been around longer than 10,000 years. A little research should teach you that much.
Upon the origins of religion, we have no idea what the first religion was, but we do have a very good idea what the earliest religions were. Would it be surprising that humanity considered woman to be more divine than man for having an ability to give birth? Is it hard to believe that the earliest tribes believed in more than one god (as I do, too)?
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Anyway, I’ve been curious to figure this out, but if humanity started with two white people (Adam and Eve), where does Asians and Africans come from (as with other nationalities)? I doubt thin eyes and dark skin came out of nowhere.
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Key words: “I Don`t understand”….
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To begin: “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time,” wow where did you grow up, it certainly wasn’t earth. Even if you follow Christianity to its roots in Judaisms and its possible Islam, you will not get back to the beginning of time…. unless of course you are one of those that argues that earth was created in 7 days, and even then men wasn’t day one… thus no, Christianity does not exist since the beginning.
Further, who says we hate god? Just b/c we don’t believe in god, but rather life for the sake of living rather then to guarantee a good afterlife, Pastaferians are a rather peaceful bunch. We have no signs of crusades, religious warfare or child abusing priests.
Lastly all types of cultures have pasta! They don’t all have burning bushes, doesn’t that mean something!?
~Ramen
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How can we hate somthing that doesn’t exist? And by the way, Christianity was not around till about 40 CE.
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I canot hate something that I do not believe in and yes it contains many historical errors and it contains many many contradictions
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Well, where to start?
I don’t believe your god exists because there is no evidence he does, or at least none that I don’t find to be fabricated. Why do you believe he exists? Where is your proof, other than a book you have read? As I don’t believe in your god, I don’t hate him/her/it. Hating something that I believe doesn’t exist would be a mentally unstable thing to do.
The bible is filled with historical errors. It is a fact. I suggest you check up on it. As an example, the bible cannot even agree with itself on the nativity, so why should we agree with it? As a work of fiction I really recommend that people do read the bible, it has everything someone interested in the darker side of humanity could possibly want to read about – genocide, betrayal, human sacrifice, rape, all in the name of your god.
Oh, and I think you’ll find that other, older, religions would deny that Christianity is the first religion.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Hating something you don’t believe exists is quite the stretch COG, really quite immature projection on your part, just because you have feeling towards something you perceive existing, to be, doesn’t mean those that don’t believe in your conception automatically “hate” him/her/it, they simply don’t believe at all (the feeling part is negated from the decision to believe/not believe its simply apathetic COG), I know its a foreign concept for you but try to rap your head around it.
“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors.”
It is, even evangelical biblical scholars agree on this, do more studying, your ignorance is very apparent.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. ”
“The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
Actually archeology, sociology, and anthropology would tell us that it goes animism-> more so anthropomorphized animism-> (eventually the figures just become people)Polytheism-> Usually splits into two channels of development, usually->
1. Henotheism -> Monotheism
2. Heterodoxical mixture of spiritualesque philosophy (i.e. Janism->Bhuddhism)-> to actually the first materialist school Carvaka (which died out not to come back for awhile).
But uhh… don’t let facts stand in the way of your own world view COG, you can always just stick to recreating your own version of reality every time the revealed truth of the world comes your way.
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Translation: “I need a sound education.”
Question: How can I hate something that doesn’t exist? (Or in your case, “[I] don’t believe he exists.”
The buybull is very historically inaccurate. However, the Iliad is dead on. Is this proof in the existence of Zeus, especially since there is a Mount Olympus in Greece, but no visible “heaven.”
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Oh and I forgot, my his noodlyness be with!
Ramen
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Recognition that one does not understand is the first step toward wisdom.
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that is untrue… back before christianity the people believed in, in chronological order: Spirits, Ghosts, then many Gods for about 3000 years, THEN Judaism was born and mono-theistic religion was born which wasn’t even that popular. So people did not always believe that God was watching them.
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Behold a miracle! He has moved His noodly appendage and converted nonsense into the Truth!
“I don’t understand why you all hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Gospel is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Pastafarianism has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Pastafarianism. The belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COFSM”
Hallelula, truely He is great! RAmen!
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i sux dix 4 crack munnies
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I don’t hate God, sweetie. I love God. Especially with a nice rich meat sauce and a little red wine.
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Albert Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I’d like to take that one step further to say that insanity is asking the same question over and over again and expecting different answers. We DO believe that god exists, but our god is not the same as yours. We don’t believe in the Xtian bible, so making arguments based on what it says is futile. I am happy to see that you are actually reading some of the posts on this site, unlike many of our hate-mailers, but please support your arguments with scientific facts next time.
Thanks for writing, RAmen!
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Christianity is an organized religion. Simple belief in God – one or many – is merely deism. It is impossible to have Christianity without calling it such.
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Recognizing that one doesn’t understand is the first step toward wisdom.
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COG, I believe you are asking the wrong question. I don’t think those responsible for this webpage “hate” God. What I believe they hate is the retreat from reason and empirical accuracy that science is premised on in favor of religious faith. The trouble with not just religion, but any strongly held conviction is that it tends to make us forget that as humans we are fallible. Any scientist worth his weight will tell you that he or she is not necessarily interested in the truth, but rather in repeatable and observable phenomena, which is as close to the truth as us pathetic little human beings can get. Strictly speaking, we can never know anything, but we can make educated guesses based on observations and data and that is what the natural and social sciences try to do.
COG, the Christians may be right or maybe the Muslims or maybe the Greeks had it right but all of those forms of belief premised ONLY on speculation and whatever supportive data that exists is cherry picked and it is because of this that Christianity or Islam can rationally be granted the same probability of accuracy as the existence of unicorns or elves … or flying spaghetti monsters. I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic, it is the only rational stance that one can take. I believe in freedom of religion, but Ideas have consequences and I fear the idea of creationism masquerading as ID sneaking into American classrooms.
People often say that money is the root of all evil … but it is not, greed is and money is simply a means to that end.
Religion is not the root of all evil either .. But it (like political ideology) is what facilitates strong convictions without evidence.
That is what they hate. Not God, but a lack or rationality. Faith (in the religious sense) is not a virtue.
(sorry to offend)
I will finish with a quote:
“There is a frozen sea within us. Philosophy is an axe. Everything you believe is questionable. How deeply have you questioned it? The uncritical acceptance of beliefs handed down by parents, teachers, politicians, and religious leaders is dangerous. Many of these beliefs are simply false. Some of them are lies to control you. Even when what has been handed down is true, it is not your truth. To merely accept anything without questioning it is to be somebody else’s puppet, a second-hand person. Beliefs can be handed down. Knowledge can be handed down. Wisdom can never be handed down. The goal of philosophy is wisdom. Trying to hand down philosophy is unphilosophical. Wisdom requires questioning what is questionable. Since everything is questionable, wisdom requires questioning everything. That is what philosophy is: the art of questioning everything.”—Daniel Kolak and Raymond Martin
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I don’t understand why you hate Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why don’t you believe He exists? Actually, it is very historically accurate. Pastafarism has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Pastafarism. The belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the very first religion, until Pirates have all but disappeared.
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For the last time, we don’t hate God or think He doesn’t exist. We simply call Him Flying Spaghetti Monster. Do you think Muslims hate God and believe He doesn’t exist because they call Him by a different name? I am sorry that you are so closed minded you cannot accept any religious views other than your own. It’s sad really, I will ask the FSM to forgive your foolish ways. RAmen.
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First of all, I do believe God exists. And how he is tasty!! Second, on the day that the bible is found to be historically accurate, I will eat my pirate hat. Third, Christianity has been around for only 2000 years. Not 13 billion. Fourth, yes, the belief in god was the first religion, (not nessicarilly the right one) Until man sinned?!?!? Does that mean the belief in god is no longer the first religion? Be more specific.
RAmen,
Bobert
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I don’t understand why we have to go through this EVERY time! OK here goes… it is very difficult to hate something you do not believe exists. Yes, there are several historical inaccuracies in the bible as well as stories that defy the laws of physics and biology. You would know this if the Christian right had not hijacked public education and filled your mind with nonsense. I apologize for my generation’s lack of fervor in combating this and truly hope that you attempt to self-educate yourself so that you don’t walk around sounding like a complete ignoramus. Pastafarians are not suggesting that you change your spiritual beliefs, merely keep them in churches where they belong and where attendance is optional.
Ramen!
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We LOVE god in all his noodly goodness!
RAmen
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Christianity has been around since the beginning of time
INCORRECT. If you read the old testimant, you’ll discover that the original religions were pagans, and it wasn’t until abraham heard a voice in his head that the begging of israel started. Christianity became an official relgion in about 400 ce
The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
The belief in gods, such as ur?
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So what you’re saying is:
1 “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Humans haven’t existed before the earth. And it started with agnostics before people had made their minds up.
2 “The belief in God was the very first religion”
Ah, here we are. You mean the beginning of religion not time. So lets replace that in 1.
1 ‘Christianity has been around since the very first religion.’
3 “It just didn’t have the name Christianity”
So you mean it was a religion? Let’s replace that in 1.
1 ‘Religion has been around since the very first religion.’
Yeeees. It sure has.
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Hi COG!
We don´t believe in (your) God in the same way that you don’t believe in Zeus, Brama, Shiva or Osiris.
And yes, the Bible is filled with historical and scientific of errors.
Here you have a list of 313 errors found in the bible, choose your favorite:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
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its not that we hate him. Just I grew out of having imaginary friends as most pastafarians have.
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*Ahem*
I think you mean belief in GODDESS was the first religion. A pregnant mother was considered magical and so was the first deity. Monotheistic belief in a male god didn’t occur until the beginning of Judaism. Before that we have Hinduism, Witchcraft, Paganism, National beliefs (like Roman, Norse and Greek deities) Lots of these polytheistic religions died out because of Christianity.
Pour exemple:
Nobody knows the birth date of Jesus. ‘Twas placed on the 25th of December to overcome the festival of Yule, the birth of the Sun God, on the 21st. In Germany, Xmas is the 5th. No one knows, but Christians didn’t want Polytheism and Paganism around. Nice.
Blessed be. RAmen.
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And Pastafarians do believe in God. He’s just made of spaghetti, meatballs and sauce.
Yum.
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Wait…..Wait….
You’re using a book and a situation from the bible, claimed to be historically inaccurate, to prove it’s accuratecy?
No part of the bible is more true or more false than any other part.
The bible isn’t even the first “recorded” start of humanity.
I’m pretty sure aztecs, egyptians, and most of (if not all) the other religions that are thousands of years old religions weren’t monothesists.
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We love God. Just not yours. May you be touched by his noodly appendage.
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We don’t hate god. We love our god just as much as anyone else.
Also, while we freely admit that the bible is very historically accurate on many issues. It also has some historical inaccuracies, but whether or not it was made by god (we can’t proove it wasn’t, even though we don’t think it was); it has been in the hands of mortal man for thousands of years, so nobody can say its perfect just for that reason.
Yes, belief in God was the very first religion, but you’re saying that the first person believed in your god. We’re are simlpy saying that the first person believed in our god instead, so we both are doing the same thing. And neither of us knew which god the first person believed in because neither of us knew the first person, although both of us have evidence in books that it was our god.
Oh, and we are also saying that our religion has been around since the beginning of time too, and that it simlpy wasn’t called the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster (modern English didn’t come around until about 500 years ago and noboby knows what spaghetti was called in the first language ever spoken)
I hope this helped you understand what’s going on, leave a comment to let me know.
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COG,
You statement shows either you are ignorant or just stupid. “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”. That can’t be. If you believe in Jesus, Jesus wasn’t born since the beginning of time so from that rational your argument is flawed. Also, you have asked this before in other mail you have sent us and again if you learn to comprehend, no one said we hate GOD.
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Christianity before Jesus was called Judaism. Jesus was Jewish and believe in those teachings. “the belief in God was the first religion” do you know how stupid that sounds? There were many religions before Christianity that were polytheistic and monotheistic. So again, you are just showing your ignorance on the subject. Graduate high school, go to college and take a religions of the world class. You will learn a little and broaden your horizons.
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When you say this “Actually, it is very historically accurate.” Prove it and not with stuff that happened before it was written. The bible has many post predictions which don’t count. Saying it is accurate doesn’t make it accurate. Like I said show us specifics. It has many errors. People living hundreds of years? Come on, get real. Earth is the center of the universe? Yeah, that is accurate
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So COG I am happy you didn’t swear but you need to educate yourself on the topic before you send emails about something you have no clue about it.
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It is hard to hate something that does not exist !!! You say christianity has been around since the beginning of time. That seems kind of a strange thing to say. You believe in talking snakes and talking donkeys yet you think a god made of spaghetti and meat balls is strange. Maybe you should read that book again.
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I don’t hat egod, just his fan clubs.
It’s very easy to be historically accurate when you write about events 400 years after they happened… if they happened… there is still some speculation about that amongst people with the ability to reason.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? ”
More importantly – how do you do both of these things at the same time?
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And the evidence that allows you to make this claim is…..where? The Bible doesn’t work as evidence, because doing so is circular reasoning. Sumer, the earliest known civilization in the world had polytheistic beliefs. That seems to contradict your claim that belief in the Abrahamic god was the first religion to appear. By the way, just because we don’t believe something exists doesn’t mean we hate it. Think about that.
May you be touched by His noodly appendage,
Spartan
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You can’t hate what you don’t believe in.
I’m not even going to bother with the historical accuracy of the bible. Do some research.
Also, prove that the belief in God was the first religion. I’m pretty sure animism wins. Besides, you couldn’t have Chrisitianity before Christ.
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Fail.
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No, Judaism was the first major religion. And the bible is historically accurate? HOLY SHIT you are such a sheep! So, you think that one man (Noah) could build a giant arc, and get all MILLIONS of species of animals (that don’t mind water) survive for forty days on the supplies he brought on the arc, and then distribute them all accordingly around the world?? Then I guess you also think that the world was created in 6 days, is only 6000 years old, and is flat?? You also believe in talking snakes and magical trees, and that killing people who work on Saturdays and selling your daughter as a slave is okay, right?
AND we don’t believe god exists because we aren’t a PART of your religion, it is OKAY to not believe in god. And just because we don’t believe in him does NOT mean we hate him. And Christianity existed in the beginning of time? What when humans didn’t exist? Ooooh that’s right the Earth is only 6000 fucking years old!!!
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It’s just irrational that an omniscient and omnipotent being would be capable of creating flawed followers. If the creations are flawed, then the creator wouldn’t be all capable and all knowing. A flawed creator goes against the definition of god.
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Now that just doesnt make sense, how can we hate somebody that doesn’t exist. Plus the bible is historically inaccurate and incomplete, the first catholic church chose to leave books out of the new testament (these books are known as the apocrypha) so I wonder what they were trying to hide, oh well. And I dont think that the first microbes had religion, they were more concerned with eating, reproducing, and evolving to worry about where they came from. It wasnt until we evolved into Homo Sapiens about 40,000 years ago that religion came about. Ramen!
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Please, if you must be ignorant, do so on your own.
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Hating something that doesn’t exist is just silly.
Loving something that doesn’t exist is worse.
Fearing something that doesn’t exist is childish.
Trying to press your delusion onto others is contemptible.
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We’ve already had this debate. You were proven wrong.
I believe that if you read the pastafarian texts, you will realize that you’re wrong…ok, I don’t believe you’ll realize you’re wrong, but I do know you’ll be wrong anyways, and you won’t have a single legible idea to say otherwise unless you do read up on the subject.
Have a nice day, and I have faith that your fakts without evidence will strike a few flames in response to what you’ve said.
You’re flame-worthy, but I doubt you’ll even be back to read up on what you wrote.
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its not about hate its about reality and myth, yes there are historical accuracies and plenty of myth, for instance the burning bush moses encountered and the vision, there is a bush in the middle east that has kerosene on its leaves and the jews fleeing could have caused a rock to fall that created a spark and set the bush on fire also after walking 40 days and starving you might get visions too.
its not the bible its that people use a 2000 year old text filled with desert prejudice to run their lives, and that it has been used to create and perpetuate so much war and suffering, what is it that christians don’t understand about ‘thou shalt not kill’
i was a devout christian before and then i grew up and started to think for myself and use simple common sense to wake up!
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We don’t hate God . We just don’t believe in It (yes , It) . Instead we believe in a much more concrete , proof laden belief of His Great Noodlelyness .
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@WiccaTagiatelle Feb 24th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
“Nobody knows the birth date of Jesus. ‘Twas placed on the 25th of December to overcome the festival of Yule, the birth of the Sun God, on the 21st.”
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Yep…
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Mithras
http://onegoodmovemedia.org/movies/0612/MerryMithras.mov
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Find a dictionary. You may discover that the words hate and belief have different meanings.
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Christianity came from Judaism, N00B.
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I believe that if God exists and allows all the suffering in the world to continue than God is on really bad drugs. Since I do have a fairly good idea of the size of the universe: really, really big!: I find it highly unlikely that God isn’t too busy to really pay attention to such an insignificant speck like the planet we live on. Face it COG, we’re on our own. Feel better now?
Now just calm down, crack open a beer and enjoy a good spaghetti dinner. You’ll feel much better after. Really. I wouldn’t lie to you. Not like your church.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? ”
More importantly – how do you do both of these things at the same time?
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LMFAO!!! Nice one.
COG, I cannot believe you state that Christianity was the first belief. That wasn’t Christianity; That was just a monotheïstic religion. Back then the bible wasn’t there and no one ever heard of Christ (who is the reason why it’s called Christianity)
And yes, the bible IS filled with historical errors. Such as there being miracles. Miracles have never been. There you go, historical error.
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Speaking for myself: I don’t believe in god (God) so how can I hate it/him/her?
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@mig: “And yes, the Bible is filled with historical and scientific of errors.
Here you have a list of 313 errors found in the bible, choose your favorite: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html”
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WHAT THE HECK are you talking about?!! Most of those aren’t even what someone thinks are errors, they’re things that are recorded in the Bible that the author thinks aren’t believable. For example:
#233: Jesus gives his disciples “power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness.” #258: Jesus believed the story of Noah’s ark.
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And on top of that, there are so many crap conclusions that the author makes that aren’t even true within the Bible. #236: # Jesus casts out a devil from a man who was blind and dumb. (Thos we are unable to see or hear are possessed by devils.) No, ONE man who was blind and dumb was possessed by a devil.
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If you’re trying to prove that the Bible is inaccurate, at least try for its facts. Twisting its words and challenging things that you say couldn’t happen but were said to have happened 2000+ years ago will get you nowhere.
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“Yeah,- what TC said!!!” Thanks TC!!!
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COG
I don’t understand why you asked this question again when you already asked it in the email “I don’t understand” which you submitted this month as well. Expecting a different answer? For the love of the FSM learn to read and until you do please do not reproduce. (In case you don’t know what that means, it means don’t get someone pregnant and pass on your genes.) I think the world has all the ignorant people it can handle.
RAmen and use a condom!
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“Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
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This is where I’m laughing hysterically!
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity.”
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Really? What did the slush in the puddle call it?
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Oh my, the children pirates must spread the word of His Noodleness to the masses.
This “god” character has been referred to by many names and with many symbols. Why is yours correct
and ours wrong? You should think out what you are offering to us before submission.
RAmen
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“Actually, it is very historically accurate”
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Ha ha ha, that’s so funny…!!
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Why do you hate spaghetti so much? WHY?
I like your Christ – he is good. I don’t like your Christians, they are nothing like your Christ. (lifted not very accurately from Ghandi I think)
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Yet another typical example of Christinsanity.
How boring
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Historically accurate… right. The bible says that the universe was created in 7 (or is it 6) days by a magical sky fairy. It also says that one person (Noah) managed to cram 2 representatives of all the roughly 10 billion species in existence and that one man (Adam) named all of them. From a neutral standpoint, I’d say that the bible is as historically accurate as the lord of the rings. They both seem to describe alternate universes.
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity.”
Well thats a nice tern for saying that Christianity is a Copy&Paste – Religion with no new content which is worth mention. A good book about that is “The Jesus Mysteries” by Freke and Gandy.
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More blind faith in silliness.
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And @ Zorbathedwarfsmasher
I agree. I don’t necessarily hate god; just all the crazies that support him.
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Okay I gotta say it!!!
CHRISTIANITY HAS NOT BEEN AROUND SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME!!!
Unless the first single celled organisms worshipped Jesus billions of years before his conceptions.
or maybe you believe in the whole adam/eve thing, in which case they weren’t christian either!!! Christianity didn’t come around until AFTER the death of Jesus, which I might add “The Bible” states there were people around before that, and they were mostly Jewish. (the ones mentioned in the bible not everyone)
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Okay, first things first, Jesus, yes he was real, a good guy to, pillaging the poor idiots with scams out the wazoo, a real pirate for the ages, however the bible is not a real account of history, it is some crazy guys account of his point of view. We do not hate God per say, its just we hate his closed minded, blind followers that will believe whatever Nazi-pope Ratzinger says. Get over yourself see past the facade that is your life and learn to accept others.
And may the FSM accept you into our heaven, so long as you see the stripers of the gender you do not prefer.
RAmen
James D, King of pirates.
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A little research, and I found that COG has sent us an email earlier with the same question. If COG’s expecting a response from henderbob, I’d suggest him to stop and read what we had to say (particularly historical accuracies). Unfortunately, I can’t do that….
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As i have said before, you cannot hate something that does not exist. But you CAN hate those who follow something that does not exist.
Dave
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BB79,
Let me put this simply:
Flying Spaghetti Monster = God
Why do YOU hate God?
Glory to His name.
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I checked this post with the Meathead-O-Meter, and it regstered well into the red zone. Not much room for synaptic activity in there.
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Christianity has NOT been around for very long. Judiasm is older, anyway. Any way, your god SUCKS. Ours gives us Fridays off and doesn’t demand immature bigotry.
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Bobby if you don’t post this please E-mail it to him.
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Ok! Deep breath! (Be warned this is long and has an argument that totally destroys Christian teachings!)
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Well that’s not a very good statement to make now is it? How can you hate something that doesn’t exist?
You might as well ask why I hate Dracula.
But if, hypothetically speaking, god did exist; I’ve compiled a list of reasons to hate him.
1. God made everything, including things that are nasty.
2. It set us up for a fall as shown in Genesis 2:8-17, by putting the tree Adam was not meant to eat from there in the first place. Now Christians often make the claim god is omnipotent and omniscience. If this is the case he knows everything, so would know Adam and Eve would eat from that tree. Therefore he planed for them to eat from that tree! Therefore his intention from the start was to punish them! Therefore he is a cunt! Bearing in mind that he said “…but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. For the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Also bearing in mind that humans did not have knowledge until eating the fruit, this was akin to putting bleach in a coke bottle and putting it out in front of your kids. Bad parenting from your heavenly farther? I think so.
3. He lied! The Supreme Being has to resort to out and out lies. “…but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. For the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Yet this is untrue as this never happened.
4. He lied again! He told the snake “…’Because you have done this, you are cursed above all livestock, and above every animal of the field. On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.” But snakes don’t eat dust; they are predators and so eat other animals. Therefore god lied! Therefore he is a lying cunt!
5. He hates women; In Genesis 3:16 he said to Eve “’I will greatly increase your suffering during childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” Therefore he has shown he hates women and has no respect for them. Therefore he is a very bad deity.
6. God loves incest- he only made one man and one woman, so all there children where brothers (as only Cain and Able are mentioned) and so they could only have kids by having sex with their mother! Nice one god, wonder what Freud would make of that?
7. He incites brother to kill brother by showing favouritism. This is also not very nice.
8. In the story of Noah he commits global genocide, which isn’t very nice. Once again, being omnipotent and omniscient, he knew this was going to happen in the first place. Therefore he planed to commit global genocide from the beginning, therefore he is a cunt!
9. God gets his jollies from incest again, as after the flood there is only one family to repopulate the world. So every one from the first generations would have at least been first cousins!
10. God is vain and jealous! The story of the Tower of Babel shows that god didn’t like the fact the humans were achieving something great that unified them, so made them all speak different languages so they would become separate from each other.
Ok I’m going to stop now because there is just too much! I’ve got ten reasons to hate god and I’m still in Genesis!
I will mention Exodus, Joshua and Judges. Here god commands genocide (clearly he can’t be bothered to do it himself any more) and in Judges, he punishes his chosen for not killing enough people! Wow! What an arse hole! And once again I’m barely scratching the surface.
So in conclusion; if god did exist he would be the biggest cunt in the… well universe.
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“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
No its not! A global flood, which there is absolutely no evidenced of, whipped out almost all life on earth? I don’t think so!
Things are written out of sync and in the wrong time periods. There is just so much!
If you want examples let me know I’ll be more than happy to list them!
Also the bible contradicts itself on a number of points.
Lets have a look at some shell we?
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God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
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War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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Which first–beasts or man?
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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The number of beasts in the ark
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
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Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
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The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
There are even more but I’ll run out of space!
(You can see them at http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html)
So how can you claim the bible is accurate when it even contradicts itself?
And lets not forget claiming that bats are birds and that locusts only have four legs!
No, your holy book is not accurate at all!
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And a quick word on morals.
1. If you rape a virgin and are caught you have to marry her. So rape victims are forced to live with the men who raped them (presumably to be raped even more) and the farther given 50 pieces of silver?
2. If you lose part or all of your genitals you aren’t welcome into heaven, yet you should still be circumcised?
3. If your children talk back to you or disobey you (like refusing to marry their rapist) they must be stoned to death!
4. A woman is unclean when menstruating, and anyone she touches will also be unclean!
5. If you hear of a single person in a town preaching about a different god, then the whole town must be put to the sward and burnt to the ground!
6. If your wife fails to prove to the whole town she was a virgin on her wedding night she must be stoned to death! (Not sure how this works with the victims of rape as stated above).
7. You can sleep with your slaves, but if they don’t satisfy you, you can get rid of them (it doesn’t count as adultery unless it’s a mistress doing it rather then the master, but then god does hate women).
8. You can’t eat pigs, rabbits, camels or shell fish.
Once again only scratching the surface here.
So COG is this why you like the bible so much? Is it your hope you can someday rape yourself a wife?
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
No it hasn’t! Christianity is the following of Christ! Part of it is the Old Testament that covers the start of all Abrihamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam).
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Also, even if you don’t believe in evolution, it has been shown humanity is a relatively new species to the earth. This is fact! It’s shown in the fossil record!
So unless Jesus was actually the second coming and the first Messiah was a microbe that died for our sins, your statement is not only false but an out and out lie!
You’ve done nothing here but expose your ignorance, even of your own faith!
Well done.
“ – it just didn’t have the name Christianity.”
See above.
*But wait there’s more! (This is the good bit)*
If you are right Mr COG, you are going to hell!
Yes that’s right! Hell! Where you will be tortured for all eternity in a lake of boiling faeces! Where the Devil will rape your rectum with a razor studded dildo! Hell! Where the indescribable holes of a billion souls in anguish will be the sound track to endless agony!
I’m sure you’ll ask: Why?
Well even if you don’t eat meat (which most Christians do), eat shell fish or squid (which I’m sure most Christens do) or worship an Idol (which ALL Christens do! You call it a crucifix.)
You worship Jesus Christ as the son of god, as god and as the child of the Holy Spirit!
This is what would condemn you to hell if you if you are right
How? You might ask
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You couldn’t have seen this coming!
Deuteronomy 13:1-6! As you obviously don’t know it (or you wouldn’t be advocating you religion) here it is!
“If a prophet arises among you offering some sign or wonder and if he then tells you to follow other gods and worship them (i.e. when Jesus.) Do not listen to that prophet’s words. Yahweh your God is testing you to find out if you love him with all your heart and soul. That prophet must be put to death. You must banish this evil from among you.”
So well done, yet again!
(Take not of this everyone as this is an awesome conversation winner with Christians. You can end any argument with this as soon as they bring up that ‘The bible is infallible’ crap.)
This can be found in a bible or here http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/false_prophets/dt13_01.html
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“The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
Actually it was a form of nature worship as I understand it. Gods came as people tried to establish a hierarchies amongst there fictional spirits.
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“-COG”
You’re a total idiot, offence meant. You lack the slightest understanding of even your own pathetic religion. You argument lacks even the barest shred of evidenced or reasoning, therefore I’ll treat it as what it is; A declaration of idiocy!
And may god strike me dead if it’s not!!!
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Still here? Your Imaginary friend has failed to strike me down, so ether way you’re wrong then?
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See you in hell if you’re right!
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Why do you hate the FSM? Why don’t you belive HE exists?
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So Christianity it the one true religion!! Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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The mayans and the incans and the azteks and the egyptians and such are probably quite angry at you. :[
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the fact that you are asking these questions is good. however, simply asking questions is not where you get off the train. you have to want to know the answers as well. do you really want to know why pastafarians believe in what we believe? or do you want us to throw our beliefs away and believe what your church has told you throughout your life?
if you merely want us to believe what your church believes, then you are preaching to the wrong crowd. most pastafarians have some amount of religious background. many of us have read the old and new testament and have spent some time in one judeo-christian sect’s church or another. what most pastafarians have in common is that we were not satisfied with fallacy after fallacy, contradiction after contradiction found within all three of the judeo-christian religions (including your christianity). if you genuinely want to know why pastafarians believe what we believe, please try the following:
the next time you find something within christianity that contradicts itself, that seems to be untrue, that seems to go against the teachings found within the bible, ask one of your preachers or elders about it. most of the time they will be able to explain the contradiction or the fallacy based on some previous theologian’s assertations. most of these responses don’t truly explain your inquiry. rather, they simplify it by correlating it with a story found in the bible, or say that god works in “mysterious ways.” if it is a real doozie (to use a cliche but still quite relevant example), such as “if god is benevolent and merciful, why do so many innocent children suffer every day in this world,” take the time to really think about your minister’s/elder’s/father’s response. if they say something as horrendously rediculous as “god created evil to balance the good in the world,” “god created evil so that man may appreciate that which is good,” “they are acts of satan that are eventually overcome by the love of god,” or even worse, “god is punishing those children for committing sins prior to their birth,” i strongly encourage you to think about these responses and how naively self-important they are. do you honestly think a young child in kashmir/sri lanka/sudan/afghanistan that has never heard of jesus christ deserves to be the victim of gunfire or aerial bombing simply so that your god can prove a point to you? think about how self-centered that is. or to use an example closer to home: when you hear of a man in alabama throwing his four children to their deaths from a high bridge, or hear of a man repeatedly raping his adolescent daughter in missouri, do you honestly believe that those children are paying for sins they committed in the womb? do you really think those children are the price the world pays for the struggle between good and evil/jesus christ and lucifer? if this is truly what you believe, then you have just answered your question for us.
these are examples that have been used innumerable times, but they are questions many pastafarians have asked themselves as they moved away from the belief in your god. pastafarians continue not only to ask questions, but to analyze answers and seek truth. every pastafarian on this website could quote dozens of question they’ve asked themselves regarding the existence of god.
to paraphrase a quote used by TC in an earlier response to you: we cannot simply hand you everything that we have learned in a simple paragraph. you have to seek this wisdom for yourself. you seem to be probing the right direction, because you at least are asking us why we believe what we believe, rather than rediculing us and mentioning the fact that our god doesn’t have a weiner or SCREAMING IN CAPITAL LETTERS that we will all burn in hell hell hell.
may His noodles embrace you and His spicy marinara provide warmth on cold nights,
RAmen
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CHRISTIANS ARE WOEFULLY IGNORANT; the bible was written by primitive men(not any god) to control other primitve men. Look at it’s prohibitions and commandments:
(From Evilbible.com) God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: “For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.
God also apparently wishes for any of you who work on sunday, eat seafood, or wear clothing made from more than 1 type of material to be stoned to death.
My god has touched me with his noodly appendage which is loving and delicious.
Signed your faithful pirate in pasta
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You guys are freaky! Come on now, seriously… you guys are foolish if you think this is going to be taught in schools if that ever happens then im mickey mouse.
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henderob, please tell us what drugs that you are on, because I bet that they are GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD D D D D D D !
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I LOVE god!
Especially with garlic bread.
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we dont hate god, were another religion, if you dont like it then your hardly accepting anothers beliefs, hail FSM
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hmm…. we do believe in god! so u can suck my invisable dick.
peace love and pirates
RAmen
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I donàt hate God. I hate religions, since religions have cteated that u call God. No religion, no God.
Thus becoming fondamentalism, as we know very well. Get people to think with their own brain is the main goal of this book, I believe.
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Okay, I’ll admit it… I do hate God. I detest everyone, real or imaginary, who acts like Jehovah does in the First Testament. I wish all Christians would just read their own book already.
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Christianity was not the first religion, you dipshit. Read a history book.
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I don’t hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster at all. That IS the god to which you were referring, correct?
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You religious idiots have not got a clue have you. You believe all you read in your individually related paraphernalia.
You don’t have the ability to think for yourself and have circum to the brainwashing of your parents or forbearer’s.
You waste your time, energy,money and life wondering what your respective heaven will be like and if you will get in when you die.
And your energies are wasted trying to brainwash more SAPS or berating them if they don’t believe in your particular Brand of crap.
The world would be a better place without GOD/Jesus, JEHOVE, BUDDHA,MOHAMED(oh no i said it)ETC,ETC,ETC.
Those with any sense at all manage to contribute, morally, to the world without belief in an outdated, fictitious, omnipotent being.
OH! And by the way i am Atheist and proud.
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its not about hating god. its about not wanting thouse ideas to be taught alongside evoloution. its nothing to do with not beliving God, its about saying tht, that is not a science.
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Dear COG (child of god?):
If your god wants everyone to believe he exists why doesn’t he just book time on CNN or FOX and do some interviews. He could share some stories with Anderson Cooper like why he did what he did to Sodom & Gomorrah, and why nothing less than having his own kid nailed to a tree in his underoos would propitiate him for the sin of Adam and Eve. Matter of fact, he could explain why he was holding all descendants responsible for the sins of their first ancestors. (Kinda like the types of blood feuds we see where Hitler wanted to kill all the jews, isn’t it). Then he could explain what he had in mind when he created Cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and flesh eating bacteria like Ebola.
Finally he could explain why nothing less than eternal torture is true justice for unforgiven sin. In a nation that has turned its head away in revulsion from such things as Gitmo and Abu Graib, (except of course for the fundie supporters of Bush-Cheney) it will be interesting to hear how such explanations play.
Of course, this will never happen because your god is a human invention-fabricated by primitive peoples who saw genocide, blood feuds stretching over generations, torture, and absolute rule by kings as the natural order of things. Your religion is the vestigal remnant of that earlier, bloodier utterly inferior culture, and you hold on to it because it was programmed into you before you developed the capacity for critical thinking, by well meaning parents, teachers, neghbors and clergy who were in their turn, programmed in a similar manner.
It is good that you are reading here. It is a sign that perhaps the programming doesn’t have an unshakable hold on you. You are after all questioning what underpins the belief systems of others who are differet from you. Your curiosity is really your cognitive dissonance (look it up) about your own beliefs. Trust that-it can lead you to the truth.
You don’t want to be some unwashed fundamenalist who denies the vast truths of modern science; attempts to undermine the nations 250 year tradition of Church State Separation just so you can indoctrinate your neigbors’ children in your faith with publicly held resources (i.e. the public schools), ; tries to control the reproductive rights of women; dictates to fellow citizens who they can love and marry; and supports a government where the president and vp come to power by virtue of a fraudlent election ratified by a right wing supreme court that plunges the nation into illegal wars based on blatant lies. We have millions of people in our nation who have supported that kind of nonsense. It has brought us to the brink of ruin. Don’t you be one of them.
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i believe in one Almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster and only one Flying Spaghetti Monster. He made me who I am and i love him yay!
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Most people are religious out of fear of going to hell now thats just sad in its own way. Your afraid of words.
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I will say this. Those people who incorrectly accuse others of hating God are really just being insecure about the validity behind their own ideas and opinions. So my advice to you is this: before you ask others why they hate God, or gods, why not ask yourself why you need to know, or care? I don’t think it’s right of you to question other religions but defend your own; it’s somewhat hypocritical when you really think about it. So from now on, instead of asking other religions why they “hate God,” you’re going to ask yourself why you are such an intolerant asshole, and why you can’t just mind your own business for one shameless minute of your own woefully meaningless existence.
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We don’t hate God, we are simply a member of another religon you pasta hating fascist.
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There’s a difference between hating God and believing in Him. I’m perfectly okay with other people believing in God, as long as they aren’t attacking other people over faith. Also, Christianity came after Christ. The predominant religion was previously Judaism. The only evidence that that was the first religion comes from something believed in only by Jews and Christians, thereby not convincing any of us.
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Do you just realize that you want to convince us that god exists by pretending that christianity have always been around (which is false, but it’s not the point), and so that we should believe it!
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This is a nonsense circular argument!!!
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Yeah, but : “we just don’t remember it because man sinned and then we lost what we knew…”
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Niiiiiiiiiian! Wrong answer… It would be AGAIN too easy…
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Benji
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I cannot hate something that does NOT exist, therefore I cannot hate god… Just do us ALL a favor and actually READ the ENTIRE bible… it is a giant contradiction… One part says “God loves all and forgives” another is “God hates us and allows misery and death” If Jesus is the son of god, how the hell is David related to him???? Why does the bible make NO sence??? I find it disturbing that more NON believers have read the bible and UNDERSTOOD it then believers. Think for YOURSELF! Read the bible and THINK about what is being said…
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Ramen!
Ramen!
Ramen!
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People that believe in religion are facing many controversies that they can only explain as faith. With this development of faith came the down fall of mankind because people lose sight of reality in the basis of faith.
If you consider what is happening today you would realize that what we are going though is a restructuring of what we call beliefs. Back in the day when we didn’t have physics and calculus, once you realize that these people were nothing more than nomads surviving on the land, they needed a reason to justify why they were experiencing so much pain.
With this so far you may have already stopped reading because I am defending the belief of FSM. Yes I would like to say that there is something out there, how can you be sure that this God that you speak of is not a giant ball of spaghetti with eyes and its tentically goodness.
I would like you to look at a good friend of mine. He was busted for speeding in California a year and a half ago. You may have heard the stories on the news, well what you didn’t hear about was all that happened to him. So I will give me a quick recap.
He was driving his car and got into a high speed chase.
He was having a manic episode because of all the stress that was occurring with relocating and going to Grad School at UCSB Materials Department (top 3 in the US when he applied). What happened is he got kicked out of school because he was trying to patent a program before he got into school because you are not allowed to patent while in Grad school. With that he felt stressed and needed a relief. Instead of going into a school and shooting people or doing something to hurt himself he went for a drive. After seeing a cop he cut him off and went through Money-cito and continued on through Santa Barbara and Goleta. After initially getting in the chase he called the police and stated that he was having a manic episode and just wanted to go 140 mph.
After a long discussion he hung up and drove fast whenever there wasn’t any cars around on the road. Well turns out a Goleta cop was trying to be a hero and save the day by spike stripping his car and not only endangering him but also all the cops on the road following and anyone that might be in the area when the tires blew. He had told them his address and told them all the information they needed to get him if he tried to really run away.
Long story short, he got a ticket for Wreckless driving and driving in excess of 100 mph. Got his car back a few days later and went on to get a decent engineering job. However, he was branded as a virus on the US society (aka Bi-Polar) and now has the joy of taking anti-anxiety drugs (such as Valium) and others and has his civil rights violated by not allowing him to own a hand gun for a minimum of 5 years.
The point of all this is that people do not like to be confronted with a problem and instead of dealing with the problem they retire in their comforts of the mind with religion and state that what they do can be justified as long as they are doing it for the greater good.
So the question I have for you is this, who decides what the greater good is? I would think it would be a majority rule type of thing seeing as we are no longer in the stone age and with internet and communications as they are we could easily vote on situations as a world, not just countries. That would eliminate the power of the few (presidents and world leaders) and that is why you will never hear anything like that ever happening.
Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely. – Baron Acton (1834–1902)
And I will leave you with this question, What am I doing to leave the world better than I found it?
Ignorance is no longer an excuse for stupidity.
Thanks
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I don’t understand why you hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster so much!
Isn’t your existence evidence for his existence? Has he not created the banana for you as a future inspiration for the Coca-Cola can?
Think again!
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I don’t hate God anymore than Thor, Anirniit, or Ra. I don’t believe He exists for the same reasons you don’t believe that Thor, Anirniit, or Ra exist – no evidence for their existance, their teachings don’t make sense, they were stupid back then, their holy books contain inaccuracies, the stories are too fantanstic, their teachings conflicted with each other, they formed different sects, etc. — take your pick.
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But… I do have an issue with those who run around killing people in the name of Thor, those who want me to live by the laws of Anirniit, or who think my children should be taught in the science classroom that the fusion doesn’t happen in the sun because Ra says so. I have the same issue for those running around and doing the same in the name of the latest incarnation — God, Alah, Jesus, etc.
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If you think that the Bible is historically accurate you obviously need to read a bit more.
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However, you did get something right — Christianity has has been around since the beginning of time (i.e. human history) and it just wasn’t called Christianity. If we can call those who never heard of Jesus, who didn’t believe in him, and yet believed in a supreme being as worshipping “Christianity”, then the ancient Inuit called it Sedna (the master of sea animals); the Myans, Bitol (the sky god); the Sumarians, An (the god of heaven); the Chinese, Fengshen Yanyi (supreme lawgiver); and ten thousand other names. All are different names for the belief in something which doesn’t exist.
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But you can take comfort. Just like billions of people who never heard of Jesus and died centuries or millenia before his death can be said to be believing in “Christianity”, in a few centuries I’m sure the vast majority of the world will conclude that everyone before them (include you) were actually worshipping the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but just that you were mistaken in calling him God, or Zeus, or Uenuku, etc. – even though most of them had never even heard of the FSM. We know how easy it was for polytheists to mistakenly conclude that each of his appendices were actually different gods as they performed different tasks simultaneously.
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Christianity only became CHRISTianity after Christ. If this is your logical thinking then I have no surprise that you are religious. But remember, some of us Pustafarians were once like you, but we were touched, you will be too.
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I do love gods when they are expression of the highest feelings a person can experience. At the same time, I do hate gods when they are puppets created and used by come classes to rule and exploit other classes.
I am religious (not Christian) because I need it (I think that the human need to have some “answers” creates religions, and religions create the gods we know -and those we still don’t know :P), but I believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster, even if it is a parody, is a good God, created for a very good reason. I will remember Him in my prayers, thanking Him for having created such an intelligent prophet (or viceversa ;) ) and for having created a lot of other good people.
RAmen ;)
P.s: by the way Mohammed was not a God…he was a prophet. And Jesus was a prophet too.
P.p.s: sorry for my English, I am not mothertongue.
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uh, actually, the first religions in the world are polytheistic.
And Christianity was an obscure sect of Judaism until Constantine.
So no, Christianity was not here since the beginning of time, hon.
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I don’t hate god. How can I hate something that is merely abstract to me. A fairy-tale that someone whipped out, and later somehow managed to become a religion, I don’t hate that. In fact, it’s quite hilarious to me. Tell you what I do hate… the people… the religious people… people who are ignorant enough to define a god, and then worship one? Ignorance. Ignorance. Ignorance. You are either afraid of dying, have no knowledge of science or brainwashed from a young age. Why do you people get so angry when atheists ridicule you. I am a pastafarian, you can’t touch me, because the moment you start doubting my fucking crazy-arse wack beliefs… you become a fucking hypocrite. Yeah…
RAmen
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OFSM (oh flying spaghetti monster) this guy is hilarious, shistianity did not exist until 2000 years ago, christanity is the beleif that christ is the savior. it is obvious these poor lost souls have not been touched by his noodly appendage and will not enjoy the beer volcanoes (did i spell that right?) and stripper factory.
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something most people don’t realize is that christians hate thinking for themselves, if you read genesis is says that adam and eve ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE and that when they ate from it the realized they were naked indicating they were self-aware the defenition (or something like that) of sentience.
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Hey Tar, don’t let ‘em trip you up when arguing back! The bible doesn’t actually mention apples in terms of what went down Adam / Eve’s gullet. (unless there’s been a recent even weirder translation/interpretation / flight into fantasy)….But they should’ve eaten oranges to avoid the dreaded scurvy, ……aaarrrr!
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I’ve asked this of more people heavily involved in their church than I can remember, but I’ll ask again since you seem to be so certain the bible is “historically accurate”. How do you know that? Because somebody told you so? Because your pastor, priest or whatever he may be is so convincing? You forget that he’s telling you what you are paying him on a weekly basis to tell you – that God loves you and for your continued faith [read cash] you will go to Heaven? How does he know that? Because someone told him, and that someone was told by someone else – that’s how. So what makes it true? How can you be so certain that some guy just didn’t have an idea for a great story, and then went through with writing it? Sure the book has some historical references in it that may be true, but the writer of the book could of easily just referenced those things to make the story more easily believed/viewed by his peers. I’m not saying what you believe is wrong, you are welcome to believe in anything you want just as I and everyone else that posts on here can. What I’m saying is that you have no basis to sit there waving “your” bible in the air saying it is right and everything else is wrong, when you don’t have anymore proof that the bible is a true and accurate account [other than the word of someone that is paid to tell you that] than I do that it is not. But, the difference is I will not preach to everyone that they are wrong and I am right, the way you do so gracefully. Like I said earlier, I’ve asked the same “story” question to many people – and none of them could proof that what I thought was wrong. And ya know what? Most of them agreed with me… if they can’t show solid proof they have no basis to say I am 100% wrong or look down at me because I see things in a different light.
To each their own – those four words sum up what every religion should be used as. Don’t preach your beliefs to me when mine may be just as accurate as your own, because when it comes down to it religion is just that…. a belief!
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loads of people at my school are really thick and think FSM dosent exist
i have told them all about him and they dont believe it what is more they dont even think pastafarian is a religion,i myself havent yet changed my national cencus or purchased the gospel (i have recently seen the light)
please can you send a pirate to tell them about the wonderful fsm
(post replys on my website please)
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well i would like to say that christianity has not been around sence the beginning of time. there is historical evidance that jewdism is much older then christianity and meany other religions are older as well. christianity is only 2000 years old for bloody sake! if your going to dis our religion at least get your facts strieght!!!
Arr!
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Apparently, you’ve forgotten about that time of persecution you Christains faced when your religion was first created…you know, when you were fed to lions by the Romans and made to worship in the catacombs?? That’s why you bury your dead underground…and what about the Egyptians who were around WAY before any of you had ever thought of inventing this “God”…the reason Chistianity is the plague that it is is b/c of the desperate need of humans with little to no intelligence to find a sense of reason when things they couldn’t explain happened…scary shit like a total lunar eclipse was easily explained as an act of God…
Why is it that in a day and society where science is so crucial and has been proven to be a vital element in modern civilization, do we still feel that religion is necessary. We are truly limiting our growth and evolution as well as exacting an extrodinary toll on our children by subjecting them to this thought-killing parasite…if organized religion were as right as it and it’s supports think it is, science would have been left out in the trash like the fetus of your pastors teenage daughter a long time ago…
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The time has come to pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for significant rain in the severe drought areas around Atlanta from 3/2/08 – 3/6/08.
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Cog… Have you ever tasted spaghetti? Its made from flour and water. Both ingredients pre-date whatever form of Christianity you claim existed before Christianity. Clearly that presents a much stronger argument for spaghetti as the original God. Of course the existence of sun-dried tomatoes and basil present a problem.
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You have just as much proof that there is no God as I have that there is. Most atheists are Liberals. I thought that Liberalism was the great ideal of tolerance. Don’t turn off your brain.
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I do not hate god, for hate is a strong word. Moreover, I detest modern day christians for their absolute laziness and laying claim to being a part of a religion when they don’t even follow a quarter of the “laws” that were written in that mistake of a piece of literature you call the holy bible. Furthermore, because of your aforementioned claim, you try to prevent the learning of sensible, fact-based programs in our public school systems (mostly because you know that your “faith” is not strong enough to withstand said learning). Not only that, in a country with laws protecting religious freedom, speech , and various other rights, you hate and persecute and bible beat the people that are not of the same religion, background, tax bracket, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or country as you. Also, in this country that also has laws AGAINST church and state relations, you are always trying to make laws based on what your christian bible says, put the laws of your religion on our public buildings or parks, and add your say to our pledge of allegience. I won’t even pledge my allegiance to this country, because it is over-run with “christians” that are arrogant, self-centered, insensitive, over-imposing and most of all, full of shit.
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this isent much different from your last post,come up with something new COG.you wont learn anything new asking the same questions over and over again.or just read the site….not that any of one seems too anymore.
be touched by his noodly appendage,Ramen
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I just want to say to mc666 that Buddha, at least the Indian Buddha, was not a god in the typical sense of the word. He was just a man who wanted to know all aspects of the earth, and world and humanity, and felt his life complete only after he experienced all that life encompasses, and reached a state of nirvana, absolute happiness, and being at one with the universe. If he had known of the flying spaghetti monster, Buddha would have been an exemplary Pastafarian.
I am not a Buddhist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, nor affiliated to any other religion excepting Pastafarianism. But I would like to say that I have made a moderately informed decision, having read about many of the world religions, when I decided I was atheist, prior to my Pastafarian discovery. Do not bash others for their ignorance, when you posses it in equivalence.
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If someone said something about the creator and how we were created on a giant turtles back you’d say bull. But that religion has probably been around as long as christianity or Judaism or what have you,
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Show some tact, intelligence, and originality, Treehugger.
It’s just as “woefully ignorant” to try and combat biblical literalism with biblical literalism. Further more, the scriptures weren’t written for primitive men to control other primitive men, they were written to pass along current events of the time, culturally relevent information, rally cries of protest, social commentary, uplifting messages to the poor and oppressed, and advice on both moral and hygienic living. While the reason they were authored in the forms of parables, songs, poems, and metaphors is 1) They were living in a time when liberties we cherish such as “free speech” weren’t available. 2) They were taught through simple tales so the message were easier to remember during a time when little to no education was provided to common citizens of that era.
Further more, copying and pasting information from a website is the tactic of a wikillectual wannabe who’s trying to validate themselves by piggybacking off the research, writing, and concepts of far more intelligent men.
While the concretion of your fraudulency the disdain and epithetical use of the information you plagiarized. If you knew anything at all, then you would know that the use of trite insults and name calling only validates everything that Christian Fundamentalists have been taught. Thus you’re either a complete fraud or if you already knew that, then you’re just some pseudo-nobody who has to validate their existence by pointlessly attacking another person for their beliefs, which puts you in the same boat of the Christians you’re trying to attack.
Grow up, read a book, and conceive of an original thought for once, instead of recycling arbitrary thrift shop opinions.
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My child,
My followers do not hate your “God,” they simply choose to believe in my Noodly Appendage instead. As a wise disciple of mine said,
“[the Flying Spaghetti Monster is] just as believable as a bearded guy who walks in to egypt because a burning bush told him to free his people, splits an ocean in two, the procedes to walk through the desert for 40 years eating magic bread, before hitting a rock with a stick causing water to spray out and then getting hit by lighting…Yeah.”
I respect my childrens’ choice to believe what they wish, I only ask that you are tolerant toward other faiths.
RAmen and may I be with you,
FSM
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Alright then, I take it a lot of people have different ideas about this topic. A lot of you have said that the believers in the FSM will go to hell and whatnot, this and that, whatever.
What truly amazes me and downright dumbfounds me is that no one seems to have realized the true purpose of this website. It’s not to promote an actual flying spaghetti monster as god, nor is it here to debate whether god exists or not. It is here to bring up the topic of teaching theories of existence in schools.
The whole reason that the mascot is a Flying pile of pasta is not to denounce Christian, Muslim, Jewish, catholic, or any other god. It’s to declare simply that if the Christian theory of how we came to exist is going to be taught in our childrens schools along side with evolution(which we can prove, God we cannot. you go to school to learn the facts,) Then what is so absurd about the FSM?
If there are going to be teachings of what some might call silly and unbelievable, god for instance, then it is technically on the same level as the FSM.
No proof for God, No proof for FSM, Facts, proof, AND pure logic to back up evolution.
I’m not saying that evolution is right, I’m simply stating that if i was on a school board, and It was up to me to teach children the facts and show them the proof on this particular subject, I would.
The point once again is simply to state that if God is going to be taught in schools, then the FSM should be too.
Now There is a very fine line between debating a topic, and ruining one’s moral credibility. Don’t ruin it for yourself, think before you reply.
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okay, christianity did NOT come first… it was the jewish faith that came first if you want to be technical with people that believe in god. christianity immidiately though, showed up after jesus’ death
thank you
and just because we are pastafarians does not mean we hate god, we hate people like you
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My child,
My followers do not hate your “God,” they simply choose to believe in my Noodly Appendage instead. I allow my children to believe what they choose; I only ask that you be tolerant and accepting towards the beliefs of your fellow mortals.
Peace, Love, and Pirates to all!
RAmen,
FSM
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Christianity was not the very first religion. Over 500 years before the birth of Christ (and well before the Bible was written), Buddha was born through virgin birth. Also, in Buddhism there is the Three Body doctrine, the dharmakaya as the absolute truth or buddha nature, the sambhogakaya as the symbolization of a particular buddha-nature quality, and nirmanakaya as the flesh and blood manifestation of buddha nature. Sounds very familiar to the Holy Trinity and the birth of Jesus does it not? Let us not forget that Osiris in ancient Egyptian beliefs died and was resurrected, long before Jesus was. Also, historians have uncovered that Jesus’ birth was actually in the spring, not in the winter. However, his supposed birth coincides with the pagan winter solstice celebration. Christianity has been worked to stamp out other religions and make its belief the sole one. Please step out of your box and read and think for yourself, instead of just always buying what is being fed to you on Sundays. I don’t hate God, I hate organized religion and all its stands for. It a body designed to oppress free will and thought, and doesn’t exist for the good of people it is supposedly serving, but for the good of itself.
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I love Him, and He loves all His noodlebabies.
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You are mistaken, sir. We do believe in a god, but instead of just simply calling Him God, we call Him the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Jews and Christians have God, Muslims have Allah, and Pastafarians have the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We would NEVER make fun of your religion, so why make fun of ours?
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How can we hate something that doesnt exist?
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i dont really think anyone hates god, especially the holy FSM, but you got to at least not like him. as in, he is a bit of a dick, killing all those people. he’s not the most *goody* thing you could believe in.
take for instance, the almighty FSM, who helps and guides with his noodley appendages, but as far as i recall hasn’t killed THAT many people. try that big fat nothing. =} go clever people we rock! people who are religeous, no offense but you are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo gullible (thats how you spell it right? =P)
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oopsy, not ALL religious people. Go FSM 4 ever!
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Well, you are sort of right henderob. Belief in “God” was the first religion, kind of by definiton…but to which god? Early religions that pre-date Christianity worshipped many gods, more than one at a time in most cases. It’s man’s nature to attempt to explain things he doesn’t understand as being a product of the divine, and this is universal, the Judeo-Christian belief system is just another chapter in that progression. Your statement that the bible is historically accurate despite the many plot holes also is a little iffy. I speak as one who taught religious education for 6 years.
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@Stephanie: You mean the Old Testament? I read it. Most Christians read it. Sorry if you don’t like that.
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Dear COG,
This is probably the first ‘hate mail’ I have read where the writer has actually had the most basic grip on the English language. Congradulations! You actually have some intelligence.
I do not hate God! Do not make that assumption. I love God actually, but probably not the one to which you refer.
The Bible is far from historically accurate. I will not go into detail on the many, many ways it is wrong since it seems that many people have already done so. It has countless errors – well you can probably count them but I’ve never tried – that if you were able to think for yourself and you were not brainwashed you could see for yourself.
Pagan religions were the first existing religions, they were around for a very long time before Christianity was created by men. Open a history book, or look it up online. Christianity was NOT the first religion.
So in conclusion, I don’t hate God, I just follow a different one than you… the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
RAmen
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i’s is ungry for some god now
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DUDE
READ A FUCKIN HISTORY BOOK
YOU SAY YOUR BOOK IS MORE ACCURATE
PROVE IT
WE DON’T HATE GOD
GOD IS GOOD
ESPECIALLY WITH SPAGHETTI SAUCE
YOU HATE GOD
IDK WHY ITS DELICIOUS
RAMEN, BITCH!
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Religion is about control not spirituality.
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RIGHT ON, NEAL!
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oops. apparently I can’t read. apologies henderob. lol. should have been “Well you are sort of right COG…[insert rant here]“
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. ”
Um…this would come as big news to the various civilizations that predate Judaism. For that matter, this would come as big (and not welcomed) news to the Jews.
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henderob, whats not to hate about god?
1) controlling w/ iron fist.
2) if he doesn’t control you, his lackeys try to (Christians)
3) Christianity is a freaking joke.
I was raised in the religion for 16 years. and have left out of it for about 4-5 years now. I personally am glad I did. the Christians are so argumentative and assertive w/ their own points that it get’s ridiculous to try to even reason with them. and most of the time they just give you the standard garbage, that is based on a book that they can’t even prove the validation of. After all that was said and done..I was done with them.
At least with the FSM you can have some reasonably good argument as to say what you believe, and it is interesting none the less.
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I don’t hate god, but the older I get, the more and more I am begining to hate those who believe in god. There are many reasons. Here are a few:
1. Door to door religious soliticitors.
2. My property taxes are higher because chruches don’t pay property taxes.
3. Religious people try to feed their line of bull to my childern at every available opertunity, especially school (that is why I am a pastafarian).
4. Science has been held back by religion for centuries, and our species is much worse off because of it.
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O and I don’t believe god exists because science has done everything but come right out and said “God does not exist”. Science cant win that debate, sadly.
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I don’t HATE god. I don’t BELIEVE in any gods of goddesses. Why don’t you believe in Thor? Apollo? Morrigan? Ra?
There is works about all of their exsistance, telling you to follow them. What influences you to believe in a book that has been changed and altered so many times to fit what people wish it – to be correct? Christianity hasn’t always been around, and thankfully – there are less and less fools falling into their fear-based brainwashing techniques.
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they can’t hate something they don’t believe in.
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What religion did the people of Mesopotamia have?
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Ok first of all, I hate jews, islamic people, and of course blacks. Second Jesus hates you all. They say Jesus loves everyone, well in this case, Jesus hate every single one of you worthless waste of human space. If you are not Christian, then you are going to hell. Okay? But you still have time to repent, all you have to do is donate 60% of your paycheck to a local Christian church and YOU’RE SAVED!
-Vessel Of Jesus’ Spirt
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i dont know why do you pleave allah and his profet ia mohame bease be aboun him and allah is the one creater every thing
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Continuing msgypsy’s comment; if you could ask an ancient Egyptian, an African prior to 0 BC, or BCE (before common era, not “Christ”), what religion would they say they follow? If you think its Christianity, or think it is similar to Christianity in principle, you are truly a fool.
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I’m going to respond to the comments that came after my previous comment chronologically.
To The Flying Spaghetti Monster: You may want to do your best omnipotent Elizabeth Montgomery nose wiggle impression, meatball wiggle, or whatever part you use to smell and conjure some glasses because there is some pretty harsh disdain for the creator as defined by Christianity throughout this thread. I’m not going to pose and say that this disdain isn’t reciprocate, but there is one thing that is for sure and it’s not all ‘67 Haight-Ashbury on the red checkered tablecloth of venganza.
Dilly: Yes, we’re fully aware as to the motives of behind the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but now that the point has been made, it seems like the intention behind the continuation of what was once a social commentary delivered through symbolism has now become an icon of provocation and since one of the key targets Anti-Christian advocates is it’s roll in past conflict, there are now shades of hypocrisy which have made their way to the surface.
Runner: Christians, Religious Scholars, and Theologians like myself have always known that Jesus was born around the time of late spring and early summer, because shepherds wouldn’t be moving their herd during winter. The reason Christians chose to celebrate during the winter is because it’s the agricultural downtime. During spring, summer, and some parts of autumn, crop farmers are busy managing their crops, fisherman are out to sea at that time, shepherds are busy moving their herd to prepare for the sheering, livestock farmers are doing the same and people were busy preparing for the winter. So I wouldn’t toot your own horn as if you’ve one up’d Christians because you found out something that we knew 2000 years before you ever knew.
Lastly, you should take your own advice, pal. You’re making some grandiose assumptions about religion when you clearly know very little about that which you are refuting. Without Christianity, there would be no science, modern medicine, or public education.
Grow up, you hirudinea faux pas wikillectual.
Just a Mariner: I seriously doubt you were able to type, “we NEVER make fun of your religion” with a straight face, since this website, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Pastafarianism is one big Parodist Mockery of Christianity.
Zizzyoo: Dude, grow up. God hasn’t killed anyone. I find it far more absurd when a non-christian tries to argue Christians through biblical literalism, than the Christians belief in biblical literalism. Have you ever considered the concept of personal accountability? Have you ever considered that people kill people and that religion can’t kill anyone because it has no conscience matter. It’s an idea, it’s a set of mortal virtues and advice on healthy and hygienic living, that people sometime use as an excuse to justify their own ulterior interests.
Scott Mcnulty: That is absolutely retarded. People are about control and sometimes people take a genuinely good idea and reshape it to fit their own twisted wants and logic.
For anyone who didn’t receive a response, it means that your point wasn’t worth a response in the first place.
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Many of you here are being very anti-religious, I don’t think that’s what we stand for. All religions should have equal ability to jeer at the others, even though all the others are wrong.
BTW I do believe in God, especially with sauce.
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My dear COG,
I am a good solid member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I do NOT hate your god. I am baffled as to why you have come to the conclusion that I do. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Do you think that anyone who does not share your beliefs must “hate God” ?!? That is silly. Examine your premises. Rethink your paradigms. You will be startled.
Thelonious
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Ooo. Darkcitymedia is obviously The Only Possible Source for accurate information. Yo, mister Christian/Religious Scholar/Theologians, what was that about “judge not”? I refer you to other posts I have made in response to various froth-lipped spewers of undigested dogma. The non-reactionary, considered posts we pastafarians put up on this site are intended to show the erroneous reasoning of outsiders who come here uninvited to insult our intelligence and morals with their ravings. If some among us occasiionally give back in kind, who can blame them? If you don’t like our little religion, then why don’t you just GO AWAY? I don’t like your little religion, but I don’t feel it necessary to waste my time going out of my way to post hate mail on xian websites. However you slice it, there is no evidence to support the idea of “Intelligent Design”, or any of the other amusing stories in the bible. ID, heaven, hell, etc. are conjecture, pure and simple, whether you like it or not. If crowds of people choose to believe it anyway, that’s very nice, but don’t expect anyone who pays attention to reality to sign up. And absolutely don’t expect yelling at us or calling us names to make us change our minds.
ET
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darkcitymedia said, in part:
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“Dilly: Yes, we’re fully aware as to the motives of behind the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but now that the point has been made, it seems like the intention behind the continuation of what was once a social commentary delivered through symbolism has now become an icon of provocation and since one of the key targets Anti-Christian advocates is it’s roll in past conflict, there are now shades of hypocrisy which have made their way to the surface.”
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I don’t know who the “we” you are referring to might be, but I can speak for myself, thank you.
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It sounds like you are suggesting that this site and the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster should just quietly go away, because we have already made our point. One might as well say that Jesus and the disciples have also already made their point and their followers should likewise just go away. Many posters on this site might wholeheartedly agree with you. You go first, we’ll be right behind you.
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You mentioned the roll of Christians in past conflicts, but I don’t know why you should have limited it to past conflicts. It appears that many Christians are actively engaged in conflicts in the present, so I would not want you to think that the concerns of many of us who are not christians should be brushed aside so easily. It might be more convenient for you to disregard the actions of a significant number of your fellow believers, but that would not be intellectually honest.
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As has been repeatedly pointed out, the replies you have been reading are a response to the hate mail received at this site. Unless the hate mail senders are just pulling our legs (a possibility – who could tell one way or the other?), those senders are Christians. Wouldn’t you say that their messages of hate and messages condemning nonbelievers to eternal hell are intended to provoke conflict? Perhaps you view them as helpful, since if we were to “see the light” and be saved it would be a benefit.
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Some religious leaders, like Pat Robertson for example, actively urge violence against those they dislike. Others have made it clear that killing in the name of Jesus is condoned, even encouraged. (Pat Robertson’s suggestion that Hugo Chavez should be assassinated, pastors sanctioning the murder of workers at abortion clinics or Mullahs support of suicide bombers comes immediately to mind.) It is all too frequently Christians and Muslims who use their holy scripture to justify such deeds.
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Your point that, “shades of hypocrisy… have made their way to the surface” is one upon which we do agree, however. As a non-christian, I do find it disturbing when I am told that I will go to hell because I do not hold the appropriate (approved) beliefs. I do not appreciate the efforts of Christians to insert their non-science views into science classes in public schools.
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I would venture to say that most Pastafarians do not care what you believe as long as you do not try to convert us. I find the Eight I’d Really Rather You Didn’ts to be much clearer guides to moral living than most of what I have read in the Old and New Testaments. The FSM does not care if we believe in him or not. That attitude should guide us in our relations with Christians, too. There is no need for us to attack them. It is un-Pastafarian, in my view. Enough said.
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RAmen
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this is for all those who still (?!) think the bible was written by god, through man’s hands. are you listening, henderbob?
i don’t, he doesn’t and it’s not.
now, i know my saying this is insufficient, so i’ll send you to someone who is extremely credible. his name is bart erhman – look him up. he is a biblical scholar – i mean, the dude learned hebrew and greek just so he could better understand the surviving manuscripts from the the 2nd C onwards. he wrote a book a while back called “Misquoting Jesus”. he was (and i stress the word “was”) an evangelical christian. as a result of his extensive studies, he concluded that the bible was a wholly man-made creation. no divine influence there, my friend. he’s now agnostic. sadly, he appears not to have been touched by his noodly appendage. yet…
christianity certainly has not been around since the beginning of time, since even we weren’t there when the FSM fell out of bed after his bender at the beer volcano on day 4 and subsequently created the big bang. christianity was invented based on the judaic myths of the early centuries BCE, which in turn were based on the pagan (ie polytheistic) mythology floating around at the time. turns out that was invented too, in the many centuries before we figured out to record stuff. islam came late to the party and got all upset and went in a totally different direction. what are you goin’ to do?
regardless, it’s all a way of explaining the world and then for the strong to impose their will on everyone else. and this is where FSMism differs so dramatically. we’re totally cool with all that other stuff. all we ask is that you allow your mind (and your stomach) to expand enough to allow the FSM in. you won’t regret it. and if you do, hey, we guarantee your god will take you back. plus, there’s absolutely no evidence that anyone’s god is real. again, this is where FSMism really excels – we’ve got evidence. plates full of it. for those of you who have read the FSM gospel, you know what i’m talking about: gravity and why little people are so special; pirates and global warming (now known as climate change).this is just to name just two pieces of evidence in favour of the existence of the FSM. if you haven’t read it, find it and do so. better yet, start a FSM study group in your community. there are more of us out there than you think.
may you be touched by noodly appendage soon and often,
yours in pasta,
virginia
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I can’t understand why the original poster hates the flying spaghetti monster.
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oops retraction. my response was for COG. sorry, folks. big lunch obscured my vision.
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i do not hate god i just simply do not belive in him……..what there is in the bible is not historicaly accurate and if it is…………. we are all going to hell….did you know that “rebelion is an act of witchcraft”psalms. thus we are all witches going to hell =P. “”god is all knowing”" ……..EXPLAIN FREE WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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oh and what about dinosaurs? where are they in the bible?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!
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i think others have said this already but christianity is about 2000 years old…”smart”beings have been around for more than 10000 years before that…………….what relegion were they…and truthefully i know that alge from millions and billions of years ago were relegious and belived in the flying spaghetti monster therefor the flying speghetti monster was the first religion
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@darkcitymedia: I seriously love you right now…I’m so happy to see an intelligent Christian responding to some of the complete crap that people spew out over and over again on this site. I have tried to respond but I’m not as articulate as you are. Thanks for your contributions! I really hope some of these people come back and respond.
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You say belief in god was the first religion. Well I’d hate to break it to you but the first records about gods weren’t about the christian god (maybe because chritianity has only been around for 2000 years) or the Hebrew God (maybe because the Hebrews didn’t become Monotheistic until the left Egypt about 1000 B.C., before that they all worshiped many different Gods, they created a one all powerful god because they couldn’t agree on which ones, yes ones is plural, to decide on). The first written religion was sumerian thousands of years before anything else. So the correct statement is “belief is many gods was the first religion”.
PS. I made a reference to Exodus, yes, I’m saying it probably happened. Also realized that the Trojan war probably happened too. Before you start argueing with me thinking “he made reference to the bible therefore he must believe it, but why did he then attack it” I’m sure it confuses your tiny creationist brain to think maybe Exodus was exaggerated just a little. I’m just referring to the parts where they argued about which religion to choose, moses went up to the mountains and got the ten commandments. That is the accurate part. I’m not saying that there was really a burning bush or god really gave him the ten commandments, didn’t he go into the mountains for like 40 days, thats enough time to make his own stone tablets. Some of the Bible is accurate, some of it is exaggerated, some parts of it are 3000 years old
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To ET
I can help but laugh whenever a pseudo-intellectual sycophant always reverts tries to hide behind a Bible with statements such as “Judge not” or “Cast the first stone” whenever they aren’t able to provide an intellectual rebuttal an observation that doesn’t fit with the own placebo sense of self importance.
First of all, it isn’t your webpage, It’s a website for both, “pastfarians” and those who are interested in discussing the concepts and philosophy which orbit the central theme of this site. (i.e. Pastafarianism.) & clearly it is being discussed.
Secondly, “who can blame them” is beside the point. When you attack one person, meerly from the past actions of past individuals is “bigotry.” While Trying to argue the exclusivity of a domain for the public is call, “segregation.”
You don’t know my religion, nor do you know my personal beliefs which surround the religious practice. That is making a narrow minded assumption.
Third, what’s up with the whole, “13. Never assume offense is meant, even if you feel it was. Just like we encourage members not to project hostility, we encourage members not to interpret hostility.”
To try and predict the mood or emotion behind a statement online, without certain indications of intent are absent (i.e. Tone of voice, facial expressions, and hand gestures.) is both childish and imbecilic.
Grow up.
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To Blackbird
First off, clearly “we” meant Christians.
Secondly, this website doesn’t bother me in the slightest, nor does “pastafarianism.” In fact, I support the argument that “intelligent design” shouldn’t be taught in schools, because there is no scientific evidence to justify adding it to public school curriculum. With that being said, people have started using “FSM” & pastafarianism to justify the most trite of acts such as demanding that they have the right to wear an authentic saber whenever they dress up like a pirate, which is absolutely absurd.
Third, with each meaningless use of “FSM” influence and validity is syphoned from the symbol itself, so when the time comes and that symbol is needed to speak out against an infringement of constitutional rights, it has been drained of the validity and meaning that it once had.
Fourth, Don’t assumptions as to who I consider and don’t consider quote, “my fellow believers” & you have absolutely no clue what I have or haven’t said to other Christians or the standards that I hold on them.
In fact, you don’t know what my own religious beliefs entail. There are atleast 12 major demonimations of Christianity, thousands of branch sects, and independent demoninations such as Restorational Christianity or Esoteric Christianity which have their own set of beliefs, interpretation, and doctrines. So you for to make any kind of assumption as to my personal beliefs isn’t a shade of prejudice, it’s cleary prejudice.
fifth, just because you received, quote “hate mail” doesn’t justify you in perpetuating more hate, nor does it justify self-victimization, especially when there are real victims who’ve been part of real violence & oppression, because it trivializes those who are truly suffering. If you have a computer, then you’re in a modern society and your life is great, so act like an adult by ignoring petty name calling, stop turning it into trite and meaningless campaigns, then stand up and open your eyes to the rest of the world.
I’ve been actively fighting for both the civil rights in the US and overseas in 3rd world countries and I will die for any man, woman, Christian, Muslim, Paganist, Atheists, Pastafarian if my death will mean that they will continue to own the inherent rights of liberty… so when I see someone trivializing such rights, I’m going to call them out no matter, their race, creed, or social catagorization.
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You’re quite welcome Rachel.
I have absolutely no problem with the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Pastafarianism, but what I do have a problem with is the perpetuation of hate that justified solely on the belief of a few zealot extremists.
I’ve shed blood, sweat, and tears to defend the inalienable rights of humans in the US and overseas. I’ve sat down with humans in the midst of famine, boys and girls who lost a limb from an explosive, and political prisoners who were subjected to the testing of biological weapons which burnt them so bad that the scar tissue healed over their eye socket and were thus blind even though they had a fully functional optic system, so it bothers me to see that people who consider themselves to be peace loving intellectuals act in such a childish manner and trivialize the inherent rights that they’ve been provided when they were born into modern society.
What gets me the most is when people lash out of Christians by saying “You’re all troglodytes for believing in a primitive religion” and the only reason that don’t believe in a God or intellectual designer, solely on the explanation that is given my the bible. If someone doesn’t consider the concept past the explanation given in the scriptures, then your own thoughts never left the same primitive stage as Fundamentalist Christians.
There are some intelligent people that take an active part in this community and I’ve taken part in some of the most meaningful theological discussions I’ve taken part in my life, but then there are those who are broadcasting the same hate as the fundamental extremists and the only difference is that they are doing it from another side of the spectrum.
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Yeah actually there are no records of the Jewish people existing in Egypt. Also, we don’t hate god, we just hate your religion and your god, because under him assholes like you impose their religion on other people. You obviously couldn’t think of anything better to say could you. FUCK YOU
-J.T.S.
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And on religion, religion started with rituals formed by an early form of man Homo Erectus (yes i know the name is funny), there are Neanderthals gravesites as well. Also many cultures such as those in Japan (Shinto), China (ancestor worship), Many in Africa to numerous to list, the Sumerians, Egyptians, the Roman and Greek gods as well as the Judaism all came before you religion, there are many more I just am lazy and have no life. FUCK YOU
J.T.S.
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@Rachel,
Love me instead of darkcitymedia. You’ll be so ecstatically happily satisfied that you’ll wonder why you ever saw in anything attractive in darkcitymedia.
How could you read Blackbirds’ reply to Darkcitymedia and congratulate darkcitymedia? Your response shows an utter disdain for facts and reason.
I think that those who on first approach to this site disagree with the organizations goals and have any honesty and an intellect measurably higher than an idiot would at least be wobbling in their previous stance after some reading here.
Yet you go deeper into the dangerous zone of fraud by encouraging perpetuation of these false claims.
When you start to embrace facts and reason you can visit me and get naked. You’ll get the response you’re really looking for.
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We do not hate god!!! We believe very strongly in him! You are the disbeliever! It is ridiculous to claim that an invisible man who is living in the sky and watches everything everyone does simultaneously created the universe. We already know that the biblical god is simply a cheap imitation of our exalted flying spaghetti monster. Blessed be his noodliness created the universe and watches over us. Shame on you for hating the one and true creator!
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Uh, God was NOT the first religion. You are wrong. Very wrong. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is cool.
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Hahaaaaa,
Finally someone’s standing up TO the Christians.
I love you guys.
They don’t seem to understand that their beliefs have less scientific evidence than that of the FSM.
Honestly, what kind of argument is “Christianity has always existed, therefor it is correct”
How the fuck are you 100% sure it has always existed?
For the longest period of time in documented history religions were mainly made up of polythiestic and more abstract religions, such as the greek, viking, native american and even early romans.
Christianity is not any more viable a choice of religion than any other.
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Just as before, I’ll respond to posts in chronological order.
ET: First off, it’s sad to see someone hide behind the “Judge not” and “Cast the first stone” excuse, anytime a theist makes an observation that you’re unable to refute through intellectual reasoning, especially when you have no understanding of my doctrine, creed, or scriptural interpretation.
Second, stop trying to victimize yourself and others, because you’ve read a few hollow epithets. Everyone encounters some form of prejudice at one time or another in their life, but that doesn’t give you justification to perpetuate hatred and bigotry you are currently, “spewing.” You don’t have the slightest clue as to what true oppression entails and to act as if reading the messages of a few online flamers is oppression, trivialized those who are truly suffering through famine, apartheid, violent hatred, and slavery. If you own a computer and have access to an internet connection, then you have never experienced true oppression.
Third, you don’t own this website, nor do you dictate that criterion of access and exclusivity of this site. This site is open to the public to discuss “Pastafarianism” and the issues which orbit around the crux doctrine.
Fourth, I don’t advocate “intelligent design” and the fact that you’ve based your own bigoted hatred to the biblical literalism of Fundamental Christians is proof positive that your consideration of the topic itself hasn’t left the same primitive consideration of Fundamentalist, the only difference is your conclusion as to whether you will or won’t accept such doctrine.
You have absolutely no clue was to my beliefs and interpretation of the Christian gospel, nor did I give any indication as to my personal creed, and since there are 12 major Christian denominations with over 3000 brach sects of those major twelve, each of which have their own seperate interpretation and doctrines that are taught, there is no way you could make an accurate guess as to what my beliefs I maintain and this is especially true since I don’t publically state my personal beliefs unless it is relevant to the topic out of respect to those who don’t not choose to practice my religious beliefs and when I do state my personal beliefs I make it clear that I am in no way trying to convert anyone, but never fear, I’ll post the link to my current thread in the message board forum where I have been discussing my beliefs and creed I adovocate.
I’m an esoteric/restorationist Christian, we teach biblical symbolism over the narrow minded literalism of the Fundamentalists, we teach that there is no single religion which is more righteous than another, we invest in science, adovocate molecular/cellular evolution, we teach that not everyone is meant to be a Christian or practice any theist rituals because it would work against them utilizing their own talents and abilities, we see scientists and doctors are modern prophets who perform modern miracles, and that God doesn’t appear to everyone in a singular form because the scriptures teach that God has many names, so what is a spirit or deity to us, could appear an advancement in science, medicine, flying spaghetti monster, so on and so forth.
Lastly, Not once in my post did I refer to any person that participates in this site a derogatory name or utilized a derogatory remark and for you to think that you could somehow determine my mood or emotion behind my post when there are no indicators such as tone of voice, facial expression, or gesturings allow you to make a proper determination, now acts in the concretion of my own determination.
In your post you’ve made gross and inaccurate assumptions about me and others from past incidents with past individuals who have absolutely no affiliation with me or anyone I know, you’ve used derogatory remarks towards me that weren’t at all justified, and you’ve adovcated segregation of free speech… so basically you’ve been pushing the same message as the KKK, Nazis, Neo-Nazis, and other prejudice organizations and institutions.
Does that mean that you yourself is a bigot, propbably not, since your baseless accusations were more rash than prejudice, but I suggest that you take the time to understand the individual before you start making judgements on their personal beliefs without the slightest bit of evidence available.
Black Bard: Clearly “we” means Christians, even the most narrow minded Christians are well aware that Jesus would not have been born in winter if we go off the information alone.
Secondly, I have absolutely no problem with FSM and as a matter of fact, I fully support the original intention behind it’s creation. What I do have a problem with is people who have began to use it for trite and arbitrary issues such as not being able to wear a saber in public whenever they dress up like a pirate. Everytime “FSM” is used in such a way, it syphons the influential meaning that “FSM” stands for. So when it is needed for a real infringement of constitutional rights, it’s meaning has been spent on the semantics of meaningless issues.
Third, you don’t know who I consider fellow worshippers, nor do you know what I have said to Fundamentalist Christians in the past or the issues I’ve stood for, but I’m willing to bet that I’ve put my life on the line many more times than you or ET ever have, because I fight for the inherent liberties that all humans are owed upon birth and religion has absolutely nothing to do with my work as a 3rd generation civil rights advocate, past the fact that many megalomanical men and women have used it as an excuse to expedite the reasoning of military or violent actions and even then, it’s the individual who is responsible, not religion.
Lastly, stop victimizing yourself because some redneck thought you were going to hell because you don’t share his or hers belief. Everyone has come across the epithetic actions of prejudice, but you’ve been through nothing that justifies you perpetuating the hate.
If you want to see real oppression, then I suggest you go to Liberia, any of the Southern African countries, or Iraq while Saddam Hussein was still in power. Saddam and his son had hidden cameras placed in the female dorms so they could pick out women who they would had abduct so they could rape them before killing them, during the baath parties 25 year reign, they raped well over 2000 women, or go take a look at the political prisoners who were subjected to having biological weapons tested on them, there were women and men who’s face were burned so badly that the scar tissue has healed over their eye sockets and even though they had a fully functional optic system, they were still blind. Who needs to see weapons of mass destruction when you’ve seen the result and eye witeness accounts. This is just a fraction of the atrocities that were caused by Saddam and acting as an infantry translator I heard these stories first hand, witnessed the after effects, burst into an underground cellar minutes after a prisoner had been beheaded.
Everything I published in my last comment was directly addressing the content of those posts, while you and ET have both made gross assumptions without the slightest hint of evidence. So I suggest that you grow up, then learn to differentiate individuals from their religion and take the time to get to know them first, because while you’ve been crying and pouting about bias and hatred, I’ve been given my blood, sweat, and tears to put an end to it. So take the example of your own words and dont judge people from the vague catagorization of “Christian or Christianity” because there are a large number of Christians who don’t advocate the actions of Pat Robertson, Jerry Farwell, Fred Phelps, or that washed up actor from growing pains who runs infront of every camera he sees while sielding his atheist slaying banana.
http://www.venganza.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9705&start=0
Follow the link and maybe you’ll see just how gross and inaccurates your assumptions truly were….
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hate mail summing up:
wow. what venom out there. this is the first time i’ve visited the “hate mail” section. sorry, but i don’t think i’ll go back; it’s too disheartening. i had no idea of the level of hatred and intolerance out there for “alternative” theories to the widely accepted, but never proven, creationist theories. makes me wonder what you all are afraid of.
reading thru a smattering of these letters, i found this interesting bit from sty, a scientist who believes in a god but is against teaching ID as science. “stick to fighting the good fight to keep science in schools and make sure it is not replaced with absurd ID, i say this believing a God created the universe and let evolution run its course.” please forgive my ignorance, but isn’t the last part ID in a nutshell? i mean, the proponents of ID prefer an interventionist god ‘cause it makes them feel significant, but the basis remains that a god pretty much put everything together. that’s all we’re saying too, except that it wasn’t “a” god, it was the FSM. if ID is credible as science, so is FSMism. both should be taught alongside evolution and we’ll see who’s left standing. read bobby’s open letter to the kansas school board. he’s very clear about his intentions.
given the fact that creationism is being passed off as science (ie, ID) in kansas and pinellas county FLA(?), even after having been completely discredited in dover PA a few years ago, all i can ask is this: what is wrong with you people? i realize that americans are extremely religious, but your founding fathers, 2 or 3 of whom were atheist, specifically wanted a barrier between the state (eg science education) and religion (eg not science, but philosophy) to prevent such things from occurring. this recent push to present non-scientific theories as science is very disturbing. it’s the scopes monkey trial all over again. surely your society has advanced in the last 90 yrs…?
looking up “scientific method”, you will see that it requires evidence. in science, you fit the theory to the facts, not the other way around. if the theory doesn’t fit, you toss it out and come up with something else that does. there is no home for circular logic in science; that remains the purview of religion. the only “leap of faith” in science is, perhaps, in formulating a theory; but then you still have go out and prove it. this is a fundamentally different approach from every religion i’ve ever studied, FSMism being the obvious exception because it offers evidence.
for believers, you’re given a bunch of premises, rules, some historical facts thrown in and boom, ya got yerself a religion. then you go out and convince a bunch of people by making up some cool stories, and boom, ya got yerself a bigger religion than the next guy who’s doing the same thing. watch tom cruise’s video on the home page, if you don’t believe me. L ron hubbard wrote extremely bad science fiction before he invented scientology. (i’m very definitely an “SP”.)
i have no problem with teaching religion in schools, but only under certain conditions: all religions must be represented accurately as only one of many lifestyle philosophies out there (one religon is not more “true” than any other); it must be done in comparison with other religions or life philosophies such as buddhism; and it must be taught in an academic context. the courses should be based on the history of each religion’s evolution; no dogma allowed – unlike our new friend, 16yofc, who is so fond of quoting biblical excerpts. geez, even the uneducated dudes who wrote exodus acknowledged the existence of other gods; they just wanted you to worship the one they invented rather than the competition’s deity.
so, take heart out there and keep the discussion civil.
may his noodliness touch your life,
yours in pasta,
v
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everything is the same dont you get it? god or no god, spaghetti or no spaghetti. Man created science and man created god. Science and Religion are both right and both wrong…. ZOMG paradoxical statement…
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If God is supposedly a forgiving person, Why did he send people to Hell? And we can’t hate something that doesn’t exist.
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Rachel,
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I have followed many of your postings and appreciate your contributions to this site. I believe that you are too much in awe of darkcitymedia because of his “articulate” messages. Unfortunately, big words cannot hide misinformation as well as darkcitymedia would like. You were hoping that someone would come back and respond to him. I thought my one post would have been enough for me, but evidently not, so here goes.
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darkcitymedia said, in part: “Have you ever considered the concept of personal accountability? Have you ever considered that people kill people and that religion can’t kill anyone because it has no conscience matter. It’s an idea, it’s a set of mortal virtues and advice on healthy and hygienic living, that people sometime use as an excuse to justify their own ulterior interests.”
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Several posters have said that the Christian religion has been responsible for a lot of bloodshed, pain and death. darkcitymedia would like to dismiss that assertion, as in his quote above. I wish he/she were right, but he/she is not. Religion is much more than just “an idea.” Religion is a practice, a way seeing the world, the place of people and things in it and the relationship of one to the other. The “set of mortal [moral?] virtues” is a code of conduct for adherents.
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The practice of many Christians has been, and often still is, to regard any deviation from their view of the world and “set of mortal virtues” as being displeasing to God, subjecting deviants to eternal damnation if they do not change their ways. I consider this to be evil, in itself.
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Additionally, to suggest that ideas cannot kill is sadly deluded. A couple of examples should suffice. Nazism is an idea and set of values. People who held those views and values, acting upon them, were responsible for terrible suffering and death. Slavery is sanctioned in the Christian Bible. The idea that one person could own another and control everything that person does has caused unimaginable suffering. Ideas do have consequences.
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Rachel, you mentioned “some of the complete crap that people spew out over and over again on this site,” and I couldn’t agree with you more. Unfortunately, it seems to be coming from many directions. Civil discourse should be the ideal, here. An exchange of ideas would be nice, but rational arguments have little effect on those with closed minds. Belief is not knowledge. The point of faith is to believe WITHOUT knowing – without “proof”. That being the case, believers should not be too sure of themselves in their righteous condemnation of others.
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RAmen
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V,
Just to clarify, the viewpoint summed up by STY is actually Deist and is definitely not ID. Many people who believe in evolution also believe in god, they simply believe that he/she/it created the matter and energy that went into the big bang and let everything run its course from there. ID claims that evolution does not happen, and that every species was intentionally designed to serve some purpose. Despite was ID proponents claim, evolution makes no claims about how life originated, it only describes how species change and diversify (or not) over time, therefore, it is quite possible (and common) to believe in god and evolution at the same time. Basically, most folks out there go with scientific answers for the questions that science is capable of answering, and have to take a leap of faith somewhere when it comes to the rest (including me, as an atheist – it’s impossible to prove scientifically that there is no god, I just don’t believe that there is one). I think STY was simply trying to point out that the study of evolution does not, nor was it ever attempting to, disprove the existence of god, nor will teaching it turn children into atheists (a common, if ill-founded, fear that the ID proponents constantly prey upon). Does that help?
Best wishes and RAmen, Sarah
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@darkcitymedia,
I want to congratulate you on the noble work that you have done reducing the chances of a terrorist attack here. I know that many on this site believe that we are increasing our chances of “retaliation” in the U.S. by fighting over there. However, I believe that if their hands are full over there they have less opportunity over here, and world domination IS their objective – Sharia law doesn’t work for me. Also the Iranians cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. I support WHATEVER measures are necessary to prevent that – even sand to glass tactics.
However, when you say“If you own a computer and have access to an internet connection, then you have never experienced true oppression.” Well, I think that you’re smart enough that I can just say that you should give that a little more thought.
Your God philosophy will take elaboration on another post. Coming soon. – Fizzmick Pa Chee
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we don’t hate god. We DO love the noodley one. this is merely a difference of opinion. I find it hilarious that you sit there on your computer and have nothing better to do than to trash a religion in its own church. this sickens me. You make all Christians look like sad, insensitive people. :(
-RAmen
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Dear V,
Placing “God created life through” in front of the theory of evolution, doesn’t turn the theory of evolution into “Intelligent Design” and as a matter of fact, most Christians who practice their creed outside of the narrow intellectual borders of Fundamentalism, think Intelligent Designer is nothing more than a bunch of half assed pseudo nonsense that was conjured by some jerk off like Jerry Farwell in a two hour day dreaming session as means to dictate the Fundamentalist congregation from actually reading a book on biogenetics.
Now, you all clearly bought into the misconception that the central focus of Christianity is God, Sin, Heaven & Hell. So as a Christian, allow me to clarify to you that is a crock of shit. Christianity focuses on friends, family, and community. If you ever want to understand the beliefs of real Christians, then stop buying into the biblical literalism that is advocated by the Fundamentalists, then look at our doctrine through the use of biblical symbolism.
The parables, songs, poems, and metaphors that are utilized to deliver a pre-established set of moral doctrines, advice on healthy living, hygienic living, and uplifting message in our times of sorrow. The only reason it is packaged in parables, songs, poems, and metaphors is to make these doctrines easier to remember during a time when public education wasn’t available, while the ritual practices are a mean of honoring our ancestors and on occasion they are used to honor not a Christian God, Muslim God, Pagan God, but a Universal God and to be frank, it isn’t a requirement for a Christian to buy into the unquestioned belief that there is a God.
As a matter of fact, if I discovered that God doesn’t exist on Saturday, I would still be in Church on Sunday because I find the practice itself to be a comfort when I am struck by the grief that will linger with me for the rest of my life, due to past events I’d rather keep private and the practice itself gives me peace from the regrets that haunt my past. Also, it puts me in a position where I encounter others in the midst of present suffering and having suffered, I can help them through their time of need & when I say help, that doesn’t mean push a bunch of bible versus and religious doctrine, because I only speak on my personal beliefs when asked… when I say help, I am I listen to them, because 99% of the time, people in the midst of sorrow just need someone to listen to them and allow them to become the center of focus for one moment.
I don’t blame any of you for the resentment you have for the actions of Christian Fundamentalists that you’ve encountered in your past and as a matter of fact, I resent them much more than any of you will ever know, because everyday I am forced to differentiate myself beliefs from their propaganda. With that being said, it would be decent of you if you would take the time to get to know the individual before you cast judgment solely of the most general of catagories that their religious beliefs fall under.
The only Christians you should hate, are the Fundamentalist Christians, because they’re all a bunch of assholes. Just remember that a great number of Christians who don’t see the creed established by Pastafarianism as some blasphemous stab at religious belief and as a matter of fact, I am in complete agreement with the central focus of this substitute philosophy.
One of the most meaningful symbols of modern society as been built through the Flying Spaghetti Monster, in fact I can’t think of any other modern symbol which represents the inherent liberties we all are owed, but be careful how you choose to use it, because as I said before, it’s influence and meaning is syphoned with each trivial use and the greatest example of the end result from trivial campaigns is the current state of Christianity.
Oh, yeah. Newly found FSM Worshipper, Hell is an invention of Roman Catholicism that was added into the scriptures centuries after the first bible was published and this was done to enforced a perceived consequence of questioning both Church and State.
If there is a God, then from what the original scriptures state, God really doesn’t give a shit about what you do as long as it doesn’t hurt another person and you strive to make this planet a better place than what it was when you entered this planet.
Also, the concept of Sin as most know it, is a bunch of bullshit as well.
If you would like to know why, then send me a private message through the pm on the message board. I go by the same handle as I use in this comment thread.
Peace.
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darkcitymedia said, in part:
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My answers appear in parenthesis (like this)
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“To Blackbird
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“Secondly, this website doesn’t bother me in the slightest, nor does “pastafarianism.” In fact, I support the argument that “intelligent design” shouldn’t be taught in schools, because there is no scientific evidence to justify adding it to public school curriculum. With that being said, people have started using “FSM” & pastafarianism to justify the most trite of acts such as demanding that they have the right to wear an authentic saber whenever they dress up like a pirate, which is absolutely absurd.”
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(Yes, I understand that Sikhs sometimes get a hard time when they wear their ceremonial daggers to school. And some young Muslim women are in trouble in French schools if they want to wear a head scarf. Religious intolerance is a drag.)
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“Third, with each meaningless use of “FSM” influence and validity is syphoned from the symbol itself, so when the time comes and that symbol is needed to speak out against an infringement of constitutional rights, it has been drained of the validity and meaning that it once had.”
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(I guess you could say the same for anything an idiot does in the name of his or her beliefs, e.g. hate mail postings on web sites.)
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“Fourth, Don’t assumptions as to who I consider and don’t consider quote, “my fellow believers” & you have absolutely no clue what I have or haven’t said to other Christians or the standards that I hold on them. In fact, you don’t know what my own religious beliefs entail. There are atleast 12 major demonimations of Christianity, thousands of branch sects, and independent demoninations such as Restorational Christianity or Esoteric Christianity which have their own set of beliefs, interpretation, and doctrines. So you for to make any kind of assumption as to my personal beliefs isn’t a shade of prejudice, it’s cleary prejudice.”
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(I never used the term “my fellow believers” and never implied any such thing. You must have me confused with someone else.)
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“fifth, just because you received, quote “hate mail” doesn’t justify you in perpetuating more hate, nor does it justify self-victimization, especially when there are real victims who’ve been part of real violence & oppression, because it trivializes those who are truly suffering.”
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(Didn’t I just get done saying that hate in return for insults is un-Pastafarian? Didn’t just urge restraint for all contributors to this dialog? Here are my actual words: “The FSM does not care if we believe in him or not. That attitude should guide us in our relations with Christians, too. There is no need for us to attack them. It is un-Pastafarian, in my view. Enough said.”)
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RAmen
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Whoa! I go away for 8 or 9 months and find the hate mail section infested with total whacko christian trolls.
@darkcitymedia: Take your thorazine! Jeezus!
It looks like the fun has returned.
RAmen!
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“Man created science and man created god. Science and Religion are both right and both wrong” But only science can be revised. “I think therefore I am” -Rene Descartes, according to that quote the only thing that man can be sure of is that he is thinking, and all else must be proved with thinking, logic, reason, experiment, because it is the only thing that people can be absolutely sure of. So the real paradox is what you chose to believe, not what is real or not. Although science is man made, it is based entirely on the natural world and what it has to offer. Religion cannot be proven right or wrong because it deals with the realm of the supernatural. So religion makes attempts to deal with the natural world, and at all turns it has been wrong. So under our perception of reality and fact as humans, religion cannot be fact. Religion only exists in our minds (or at least uneducated minds), science has physical evidence. Gravity is a law that governs planets to our very existence, and it can be proven. But both come from man, yes, it is just whether or not that man is correct or thinks on the basis of what is fact.
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Well i cant answer why ppl hate god.. God created this earth so ppl can talk about how there are a bunch of religons before christianity. Ppl on earth are the ones who made the records. If you read the bible you will see that a lot of stuff on this earth is in that book and humans didnt write the bible..
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Smarter, that observation is as anomalous as a jigsaw puzzle for preschool kids and far more narrow than 95% most Fundamental Christian.
Also, Newly, even by Fundamentalist standards, I man can’t be forgiven if he/she seeks forgiveness and acts as the example from then on out. While others are beyond forgiveness.
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I agaree with your thingy up there.. God created us believe or dont believe thats your problem..
Science was created by humans so how can you say that science is right, when god created humans and humans created science??
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I have found new faith in the FSM, who are you to deny me my beliefs you petty Christian?!
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Um, can I respond to the statement, “Christianity has been here since the beginning of time”? I’m a Roman-Catholic, and although I’m not really into religion, even I know that Christianity was an off-jutty thing of the Jewish religion. Even if the Jewish people had been there since the beginning of time, it would take some time before Jesus would be born, because it was during the Roman Empire. And since Jesus started up Christianity, and he was like, thirty-something when he began preaching, Christianity wasn’t here since the beginning of time. Because, yeah. SO HAH.
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Dude I just read that letter thing about how the Bible is truth and I’m just a tad confused by it. Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t Christianities roots linked completely with Judaism. I mean the early followers of Christ in no way considered themselves a separate religion, but rather an off-shooting sect of their own. Also I was unaware that the begging of time was around 33 A.D.
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We don’t all hate God and Christians. I was just brought up by Christians, that’s all, and I had better sense than to believe in that rubbish.
The Bible is just a book. Get over that.
Just because it is a very old book doesn’t make it a recorder of the facts, you have to believe that. And that “truth” and “fact” are both philosophically and technically not the same thing.
Besides, think it over. Think hard, I know it pains you. All theorem etc have the same possibility in an ideal world. However, in this world, it has become apparent that the chance of your God is the same chance as the FSM, a celestial teapot, Allah, Zeus, the scientological theorem, Yahewh/Jehovah, Krishna, the Golden Calf, or Isis and Osiris.
Your religion is still outdated, remember that. One day, the return of Jesus will be viewed with as much scorn and dismissal as the birth of Venus from the God Cronus’s sliced-off genitalia.
If you think that God’s that great, as well as benevolent etc, read the Old Testament. Pay attention to all the gory, chauvinistic, malevolent, selfish, proud and egotistical, misogynistic, schadenfreudal details. Note them, if you like, and then read the list.
Most Christians nowadays tend to ignore the Old Testament, but in the New, Jesus said to not ignore (etc) the word of God in any way/shape/form, INCLUDING THE OLD TESTAMENT. So where is your loving, benevolent, milksop God now??
Read Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion. Please.
No, I’m not an atheist. I’m not religious, either. It’s called an “agnostic-atheist” that has been to church for years, exposed to all that ridiculous rot, AND read the Bible. Multiple times.
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@Fizzmick Pa Chee: I’m flattered, but you’re definitely not my type.
“How could you read Blackbirds’ reply to Darkcitymedia and congratulate darkcitymedia? Your response shows an utter disdain for facts and reason.” How so? I wasn’t referring to Blackbird’s post as crap, although I definitely disagree with most of it. I don’t think anyone’s arguing that religious people aren’t involved in conflicts…
“I think that those who on first approach to this site disagree with the organizations goals and have any honesty and an intellect measurably higher than an idiot would at least be wobbling in their previous stance after some reading here.” Please stop making assumptions about my opinions. I completely agree with the goal of this site, if it is still to keep ID from being taught in science classrooms. I just don’t like the fact that many people here are using that as an excuse to openly bash Christianity.
“Yet you go deeper into the dangerous zone of fraud by encouraging perpetuation of these false claims.”
Like what? The claim that Pastafarians are often as hateful as they perceive Christians to be toward them? Could you be more specific if what I said really bothers you that much?
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We do believe in God…..by God I mean FSM.
RAmen
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I dont hate God. The FSM created all things, which must include God as well as love. I love all things created by his holy noodliness. Your argument that ‘God’ (I assume you mean Christianity?) was the first religion however is LAME BEYOND BELIEF. Just ask a pagan.
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Once again, all replies will be authored in chronological order.
James: What the hell are you talking about?! There is endless amounts of evidence of that Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians. Further more, you should show people the respect of not tying them into your own bigotry.
No one has “imposed” their religion on you, they may have approached you on the matter, but they certainly don’t put a gun to your head while doing so. Further more, genderizing a deity is proof positive inability to conjure a meaningful point.
You shouldn’t be so concerned with what other people can or can’t say, because the extreme bigotry you just express far exceeds the actions of 99% of Christian Fundamentalists. Do you know what the difference is between Klansman and yourself? You spew equal hatred, exhibit identical idiocy, and you do so behind the robe and hood of online anonymity. While the semantics of your beliefs do nothing to place you above any Fundamentalist in and way, shape, or form.
Shelby: Grow up! You’re demanding religious equality that you’ve already been given and in turn you’re employing the same antagonist tactics that you’re condemning Fundamentalists of using.
A real intellectual who is confident in their choices and belief, have no need to for such tactics because they know that their example has far more power and influence than a lifetime and sardonic remarks.
Anthony: 50% of Christians don’t base their scientific beliefs on biblical scripture. There are 12 major Christian Denominations, plus over 3000 branch sects of each denominations and they all maintain their own interpretation of religious scripture, so to categorize all Christians in a single column is as short minded as any part of the Fundamentalist Doctrine. Further more, for you to believe that religions sole focus is the metaphysical, then you’re just as foolish any misguided Christian who doesn’t possess an understanding of the history of theology.
There are just as many Christians who teach biblical symbolism, as Christians who teach biblical literalism and those to base their creed on biblical symbolism have just as much invested into scientific belief as our belief in our theological rituals.
The focus of Christianity is friends, family, and community. While our rituals are used to honor our ancestors and the role that their religious beliefs played in freeing them from the shackles of oppression. So it would do you good to learn to differentiate Christians by doctrine and take the time to get to know the individual, instead of making presumptuous judgments on their character. Until that time, you’re just as much a part of the problem as Christian extremists.
Lastly, I would like to express my gratitude to those who took the time to read this message and I invite anyone who is interested in learning the difference between denominational doctrines, to send me a pm or email me at darkcitymedia@yahoo.com I give my you my word, that all information will be provided through academic methods and at no time will I try convert anyone.
My reasons I make this offer is 1) I want to introduce you to the millions of Christians who loath the Fundamentalists far more than any person who maintains alternative beliefs. 2) To build an unified alliance that’s made up of people of all race, creed, and academic field. 3) Provide you with tactics and information you can utilize during a debate or argument of any kind with Fundamentalist Christians to kick their proverbial legs from under them, while preventing them from having their defense mechanisms triggered in which they shut themselves off from reason, prevent them from the use of their perverted rationale which is instilled by their congregational leaders instilled which states that anyone who contradicts their beliefs is a sad sinner and agent of Lucifer.
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beer volcanoes rule.
i find it insanely funny how so many ‘christians’ have jumped on this bandwagon defending their interpretation of god. no one said ‘your’ god was bad, wrong…yet you have to defend anything anywhere that goes against the mindset some of you have.
it’s really scary.
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darkcitymedia, your message to ‘V’ certainly caught my attention when you said, “to be frank, it isn’t a requirement for a Christian to buy into the unquestioned belief that there is a God.
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A close reading of your statement begs for a clarification. You used the phrase, “unquestioned belief that there is a God.” I recognize that people are always free to question their beliefs, but I always thought that one had to conclude that God does, in fact, exist in order to be a Christian. I understand that religious practice includes much more than “worship” and that the social aspects might be more important to some than others, but are you saying that there are Christians who are also agnostics or atheists?
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I would be interested to know more. I will take you up on your offer of further information. I’ll contact directly by email, as per your offer.
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RAmen
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And that’s why I hate religion. Everyone always feels the need to justify their beliefs… It’s almost as if they know they’re wrong. ahhhhh – thats the good thing about being neutral; you can never be wrong (although you can also never be right).
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@BlackBard (I think I got your name wrong at some point, sorry)
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Oh, how I love big words! *swoon* (As hard as it may be to believe, I was actually able to comprehend the message that I stated I agree with.)
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Beliefs cannot kill people. A “practice, a way seeing the world, the place of people and things in it and the relationship of one to the other” cannot kill people. Not to say that ideas aren’t important, but it takes people to act upon those ideas for them to have effects, positive or negative. Yes, Christians have done terrible things in the name of their religion. This is not the fault of Christianity itself (which is clearly a nonviolent religion), but the fault of human evil. The Crusades, for example – if Christianity and Islam had never existed, those people would probably still have been killing each other for some other reason.
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You said, “The practice of many Christians has been, and often still is, to regard any deviation from their view of the world and “set of mortal virtues” as being displeasing to God, subjecting deviants to eternal damnation if they do not change their ways. I consider this to be evil, in itself.” Although you may not like it, this is what a very large number of people believe that God has told them (through the Bible). To them, that is the truth. Period. It would be wrong for them to treat members of another religion as inferior, naturally, but if they simply believe that others are wrong, what harm does that do to anyone else? You believe that they are wrong. They believe that you are wrong. As long as everyone prevents those beliefs from allowing them to treat another person with disrespect, I don’t see a problem. And it’s not as if some Christian leader woke up one day and said, “I’m right and everybody else is wrong” – many Christians believe that Jesus taught that believing in Him is the only way to heaven. I don’t share this belief but I wouldn’t go so far as to call that “evil”, it’s just a different opinion.
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Blackbard:
1) Yes, forgive the typographical error.
2) It’s not the intolerance which makes me feel bothered, but the trivial use of a great symbol which represents liberty and attacks any attempt at constitutional infringement.
3) I’d have to disagree since most bigots don’t have the same universal recognition and influence.
4) Here is the quote,”It might be more convenient for you to disregard the actions of a significant number of your fellow believers, but that would not be intellectually honest.” But don’t worry, I realized in retrospect that your intentions weren’t as I had initially accused, forgive my mistake and hypocrisy.
5) Yes, but it is the kind of message that is needs to be reinforced, because the irrational nature of some of the participants are contaminating arguably the most unique and influential since Ben Franklin’s “Poor Richard’s Almanack
Fr. Corpus Callosum
Put your glasses on…..
James
That is absurd and short minded.
Religion is regularly revised as new archeological are discovered which provides better insight into the Christian faith. Further more, many religions coexist with science and for you to state otherwise shows your method of consideration is as primitive as Fundamentalist Christians.
You should devote time to researching the points you make, before posting more misinformation and stop perpetuating ignorance.
Worteltaart
No one tried to deny you anything, the original poster was expressing an opinion and as narrow minded as it may have been, he is given that right & it is that right is the crux of FSM symbolism.
Read. Now.
Clearly you took the primitive methods of consideration with you.
If you know the context in which the scripture was originally authored and you pair that with researching the events of that time, then you’d see the logic and to this day it’s still relevant. No matter you belief, trying to argue biblical literalism without taking the time to review it in the original symbolic context, is just as primitive as the belief itself.
Lastly, reading the scriptures several times is meaningless if you can’t read it in the original language and text used while it was being authored.
El Karlito
When you science teacher said that you should recycle, he meant recycle aluminum, plastic, and paper, not redundant statements.
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HA! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Idiot.
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Darkcity, I think that the main problem is the fact that the majority of the Christians who make up the base of the Republican Party, are extremists. You only have to watch Fox News, or listen to Pat Robertson for about 15 minutes to become a little afraid of Christianity as a whole. That, coupled with the history of all monotheistic religions, with all of the Crusades, Jihads, inquisitions, and the burning of the Innocent as Witches, make it all to easy to imagine all Christians as forcing their religion on you. People are naturally drawn to making generalizations. Most of the people who make intelligent, constructive comments on this site, like BlackBard, Rachel, Me, and yourself, not to mention several of the People posting under the topic “You Dumb Bitch” (Read it, there is less hate in the comments, despite the abundance of hate in the letter) truly respect the ethic of non-violence and acceptance that Jesus preached. He spoke out against the practice of using God to squeeze the poor people for all of the money they possessed. It’s kinda the same thing that Martin Luther did to begin the Protestant reformation. I’m betting that less than half of the people posting on this site have actually purchased and read the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I agree that most of the spewers of hatred should at least read the Eight “I’d Really Rather you Didn’ts on the Wikipedia article for The Gospel.
Three main groups of Pastafarians are jaded Christians(my group), Agnostics who oppose ID, (I think Bobby falls into this category, but I can not be sure, I have no official word from him.) and Atheists who hopped on the bandwagon specifically to bash Christianity (These are the bad/dumb people who use grammar that is as bad/worse than most of the hate mail.). We don’t hate God or Christians, except maybe the third group, we acknowledge the fact that people need God to cope with the possibility that when you die you may very well cease to exist. Religion provides two very important things, Hope and a Scapegoat, both of which are things people desperately need when bad things happen.
But there is something everyone, Pastafarian and Christian alike should remember, this is technically our Church. The internet is our place of worship, it is our main point of contact to our prophet. If someone went into a Christian church, a Muslim Mosque, or a Jewish temple and said that everything they believe is wrong and they’re all sinners/fools/generally bad people they’d be Crucified, Christians should know, that’s kinda what Jesus did. Pastafarianism may be something that has no merit as a monotheistic religion, heck, it may be something completely invalid, but if no one believed in the other major religions of the world, they would be too. When the next theological revolution occurs, all of the Religions of the world, Mono and Polytheistic, may become like the Greco-Roman pantheon, Mythology.
Thank you for listening to me, if anyone would like to get into a more in-depth discussion, my E-mail address is new_age_paladin@msn.com
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Dang, my web portrait didn’t work
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just like to reply to james’ little spiel on science…
although our empirical observations on our physical surroundings seem far more believable to enlightened, modern folks like us, they cannot be proven, and in a very real sense are just as subject to faith as organised religion is.
to be able to say something has been proven, it must be true in all cases thereof. as we have only witnessed some of the cases up until now in our very, very, very localised little corner of the universe, we can hardly logically deduce anything, let alone claim to have discovered an immortal truth (i.e gravity).
the whole system of sciences which govern our very existence (chemistry, physics, whatever) are based on a concept which cannot directly be seen, felt, heard, touched, tasted… this concept is the atom. all of modern science is based on a great theory, but thats all it is. so really, the mystic beliefs of anyone, anywhere, are just as valid as the periodic table.
sorry if im regurgitating someone else’s earlier arguments. i only read the last page of this thread.
also before someone busts my balls for being all pro religion or anti FSM, id just like to point out that i am a nihilist and consider both sides of this debate to be equally absurd. but when in rome.. eh?
RAmen.
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dark city media…you seem an extremely intelligent individual grasping at straws
bottom line is this…i dont fucking believe in jesus. that he existed, walked the earth or none of that shite. i agree with you on the fact that fundamentalists are the ones who impose a more direct threat to logic. the fact is, you can believe the shit jesus said, love one another, raise families, etc., without having to believe the ridiculous bullshit which surrounds his mythology…and it is bullshit, mate.
read this on you tube “the greatest story ever told-3 parts”; why go around calling yourself christian if you just like a lot of stuff that he said. you obviously(correct me if im wrong) believe jesus died on the cross for us, etc. WE dont! i dont need to take the time to know what part you believe is true or not. you give yourself away with the title christian. its a fucking myth man. just like all religions. keep an open mind. watch that video…………Praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!!!! what would cthulu
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Most people assume too much. My noodly brothers please do not fall in the same mistake. Henderob is asuming we hate god. We love him, as El Karliito stated, we construe him as a Flying Spagetty Monster.
Some Christian fellows also assume that because they believe the Bible is true they can use it in conversations to other people, this is wrong. A person with a respectable level of shrewdness will pay few attention to the bible unless proven true and accurate. Some people assume that for proving some accuracies in the bible, all of it must be true, wrong! On the other side, one of the most precious characteristics of science is that it encourages people to disbelieve any theory and invites to disprove them. Did you ever meet a hard core Christian trying to disproof or challenge his own views?
Scientists do, Einstein didn’t see Newtonian physics complete he tried to find the missing parts and he arrived to general relativity. Everyone!, some cynicism about knowledge might be really constructive.
I was skeptical about the FSM but I realized that I was thinking with an empty tummy.
Yaaaargh
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I hate you guys because every time I see the FSM I get so HUNGRY! Damn you all! Damn you all to hell!!!
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Not really, you cannot prove logic to be infallible, because to do so you must you use logic, which is circular reasoning, which is in itself a contradiction of logic.
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Gravity is a law that governs planets to our very existence, and it can be proven.
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No theory can really be proven… It just can withstand every try to disprove it. Also, it will be clear in few years if the current theory of gravity is correct (and dark matter really exist, not counting our assumptions around that and probability it exist) or we screwed up somewhere, and the theory will be needed to fix.
@Darkcitymedia
We don’t hate christians. They are just unpopular for acting like arseholes and like their morality is the only one that should be followed. They just need to open their eyes and see world as it is.
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hey. first of all id like to say that about the grey area’s between science and religion the only way they can both exist together is if we admit that in the case of evolution versus inteligent design evolution could easilybe the answer to how and not to why however i personaly do believe in god but im not some religiouse zelot i dont have problems with other people believing whateer they want as long as there beliefs dont impact upon my life in any major way. that said the argument of inteligent design is a bad arguement to begin. I will list why:
1) the whole idea of inteligent design is based on the watch argument however as we are a singular species fairly isolated in the universe (to my knowledge) it would be incorrect to judge anything man made as inteligent because inteligence is relevent. the simplest organisms are often the easiest to adapt to a situation and there for you could argue that the more inteligent a thing is the worse off due to its complexity.
2) the guy who made inteligent design theory was immediatly turned into a saint for a theory which makes no sense since as the watch did have a designer it could be plausable that the watch developed it would be an infintisimaly small percentage chance but in the eternity of time that infinitly small chance would become 1.
ultimatly believe what you want just realise that the two theorys arnt that incompatible (just like wave partical duality) personaly i dont believe in inteligent desigh but i do believe in god i just think it would help if we could just say people have different opinions and that religion should be left in religion lessons as science should never clash with religion even though there compatable they just shouldnt be allowed to combine since if scientists allow one piece of religion in every other argument will come flying in.
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I am glad Jerry Falwell is dead.
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To Rachel,
I have to back you on your most recent post & add my own perspective on the matter, by addressing those who target anyone who makes the slightest insinuation that they could be Christian with the mindless barbs. Now, before I do allow me to make it clear that I don’t think the majority of FSM participants take such trite measures, actually allow me to rephrase by saying I know for a fact that the majority of you don’t utilize such trite measures.
Now, to those who make such rash accusations, it’s time for you to wake up to your own hypocrisy. Not every Christian is against the fundamental truths which led to the creation of FSM and as a matter of fact, a great many Christians share the belief that ID has no place in any academic department other than theory or philosophy and even then it is probable that it should only be used in comparison.
If you recipricate hate towards any person other than the original source, then you are a bigot just as they are a bigot and there is no way to excuse such actions or get around that fact. Further more, even if you limit your hateful responses to the source, you may not be a bigot, but you’re just and narrow minded than they are… the only difference is most Christian Extremist don’t act as if they aren’t filled with hate and spite.
So use your brain for once and take ownership over your own instincts, by now returning the hate which they are fishing for in the first place, because in their twisted sense of morality, the hatred of others only validates their perverted beliefs.
Start walking your talk.
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the thing is… the bible isn’t that historically accurate. according to the bible, judaism must have been the first monotheistic religion… i mean, in the bible, it runs right up to the dawn of time. then christianity jumped off as (essentially) a sect of judaism. basically, they tossed aside monotheism (though no christian will ever believe that) in favor of a trinity (as in three, as in polytheism). but, as the bible says judaism was first and we have undeniable proof that Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic religion, doesn’t that kind of hint that judaism (and, by relation, christianity) sprung up late in the game?
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Some people on this site are right. God did create the world. Who are you to doubt the word of Horus and Ra? When THE BOOK says that people were created from Ra’s semen, you should not doubt! It IS the word of God!
I’m sorry you hate God so much. But that’s not my problem. Ra created the world, Ra said it, and I believe it.
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@Darkcitymedia
“If you ever want to understand the beliefs of real Christians, then stop buying into the biblical literalism that is advocated by the Fundamentalists, then look at our doctrine through the use of biblical symbolism.”
If the bible is meant to be interpreted as parables, symbolism and metaphors as you stated, who is to say that the mere mention of God is not a metaphor as well. I doubt that you’ve analyzed the bible thoroughly enough to have enough of a feel for what the “author” meant when talking about a God. Perhaps God is everyone’s conscience?
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Intelligent people don’t hate something that doesn’t exist.
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wrong, lol
judaism wasnt even the first
the first historical accounts stem from egypt and a ruler who declared himself the son f the sun and through him all people would be damned or alled into the afterlife.
so you go worship you eternal zombie whom you muct eat the flesh of to get in his good favor justs o he wont kill you when he decides to come back….cuz tha makes so much sense
and ill just keep lovin the noodly one and laughing at you people who cant take jokes
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“James: What the hell are you talking about?! There is endless amounts of evidence of that Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians. Further more, you should show people the respect of not tying them into your own bigotry.
No one has “imposed” their religion on you, they may have approached you on the matter, but they certainly don’t put a gun to your head while doing so. Further more, genderizing a deity is proof positive inability to conjure a meaningful point.
You shouldn’t be so concerned with what other people can or can’t say, because the extreme bigotry you just express far exceeds the actions of 99% of Christian Fundamentalists. Do you know what the difference is between Klansman and yourself? You spew equal hatred, exhibit identical idiocy, and you do so behind the robe and hood of online anonymity. While the semantics of your beliefs do nothing to place you above any Fundamentalist in and way, shape, or form.”
Hey yeah, I support the constitution, which means the freedom of worship AND the separation of church and state, and there are no Egyptian writings of Jewish slaves. And yes as a student if I am taught ID as even an equal to evolution it is a breach of my constitutional rights. (I’m not sure if I’m under 18 am I given rights such as the separation of church and state or free speech). And yes I was quite fundamentalist. Religion deals with the supernatural and science deals with the natural. I wasn’t thinking very well when I wrote the last post but the idea is that Religion and science are separate in the eyes of the government, they can be taught in theology class. Science is not a democracy and is only for fact or theories supported by fact and peer reviewed evidence. I believe I am not fundamentalist such as you though thank you for making sure that I’m not as big of an ignorant bigot as you.
J.T.S.
P.S. I realize that not all christians are fundamentalist, they have a right to worship and it’s fine as long as they don’t interfere in my life, after all, the only reason why I care is because I personally don’t like religion in my education.
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And yes we all love booze, even the bible dose GO BEER VOLCANO!!!!
“And Noah began to be an husband-man, and he planted a vineyard:” (9:21) and then Noah got wasted! Whoohoo!
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Hi sorry, genderizing?! That’s just the way I see things. Religion is supernatural and cannot ever be validated by science. So religion should deal with the supernatural though fundamentalist try to impose their religion on natural society.
-J.T.S.
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The FSM would kick your God’s ass. Want to fight about it for 2,000 years, heathen?
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May the beer volcanoes bring you fresh, perfectly chilled beer.
If I were to posit myself a member of some group and wish to be respected, I would have a particular distaste for others who called themselves members who did things which I believed were not respectable.
While I can understand your vehement rejection of being associated with these others, you clearly choose to call yourself by the same name as they do. The other denominations also declare the differences and ask other people to read your entire mutual histories and understand them. Yet you use the same label and human curiosity has limitations.
There exist common fundamental issues which all Abrahamic religions fail to address by which I have yet to recieve adequate answers in spite of having personally educated hundreds of people to the point of choosing the potential of going to hell over living with the contradictions and contraindications.
As you profess yourself Christian, I shall focus the rest on you particular branch of the Abrahamic religion and perhaps you may see why I paint it with the same brush.
You say you believe in Kristos, which is the more enduring term for the concept of salvation by a savior deity. I assume you mean to believe in the merged concept, formed by the council of Nicea by emperor Constantine and the vote, rather than the older concept espoused by Prometheus, Horus, Krishna, Mithra, Dionysus, Attis, etc. who were also said to each bear several of the attributes of the merged form?
Then, may I ask, how are you certain that that particular emperor of Rome made the right choices? The Romans might argue it was because he was divine, but you clearly disagree?
Are you aware of the significance of the attributes of Kristos? Such as that December 25th is 3 days after winter solstice, the end of year? That, in the northern hemisphere the sun reaches the lowest point on December 22nd, stays dead for 3 days before it begins it’s ascent towards the azimuth of the sky? That the 3 wise men are the ancient names of 3 stars that shine most brightly every year on December 22nd? Are you also aware that the 12 apostles refer to the constellations and division of time? The “end of the jaguar, age of aquarius” etc. due to change in 2011/12. The halo represents the sun’s corona, as Kristos happens to be the sun deity.
These are but tidbits of information well known to atheists, do you indeed know your deity personally?
If I may, the more ancient form of Kristos imply that December 25th is not the celebration of Kristos’ birth, but it’s rebirth. This is why I would hypothesize that it doesn’t matter that Jesus’ birthday was sometime between May and August – you celebrate it on the 25th.
I might argue that Jesus as a person is only ever documented in three unique sources between 0 and 50 AD, one is so vague as to only mention “a man had caused a ruckus when he rode into town on a donkey”. Another is the apologies of Pontius Pilate to the emperor of Rome. The third is thought to be aliased “Paul”. Nobody knows the original authors name, but he was thought to have started writing at great length after 50AD.
Of note, post-infant life expectancy was roughly 30-60 years, probably closest to 45 years. Literacy rates at the time were roughly 1-5%, probably closest to 2% and I don’t recall any of the disciples being scribes, accountants or nobility at the time.
Patiently awaiting your reply,
Daniel
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Darkcitymedia said “The focus of Christianity is friends, family, and community.”
Really? Because I kind of thought the focus of Christianity is Jesus. I think he thought that too, which is why he said:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
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@pastafari
So true, /agree
RAmen
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Pluveus,
There are just as many Democratic Christians as Republican Christians, just like there are tons of Democratic Atheists as there are Republicans Atheists. Political agenda has very little to do about the topic at hand and anyone who views the Republican party as some zealot fueled religious organization is severely exaggerating the situation. Pat Robertson doesn’t have any governmental influence, as a matter of fact more republicans laugh at him and see him as a joke than any other political organization.
Further more, what does Crusades, Jihad, and Witch hunts have absolutely nothing to do with you at all. No Christian is trying to burn you at the stake and to use events of centuries past to perpetuate your own hatred and that of others is absurd. After the most recent event you have listed has take place, all the way to the present There have been over 100 military actions with not one having to do with Christianity at all. People have been killing people throughout history, long before Christianity ever came into existence and they were killing people after Christianity came to pass. So to even suggest that Christianity is the reason behind all the ills of this world is idiotic.
Thanks for acknowledging me as a great thinker, but the truth of the matter is that when you look at Fundamentalist Christians, only a fraction of them are true extremists. While another small fraction are those who leave these absurd hate messages all over the internet. If you want things to change, then stop using the same fear mongering used by many Christians and afterwards, let us deal with the problem. By 2030, Fundamentalism will be all but gone from this earth because just as many Christians are sick of it as Atheists and non-Christians. We are doing the best we can to reverse the wrongs and mistake caused by the KJV teachings. So go have a beer or something, lol.
Burndan23,
You don’t have the foggiest damn clue as to what I believe or as to what you’re talking about. Further more, having spent over a decade of research in the field of Theology, do you really think I a) Give a flying fuck about a religious opinion being pitched by video on YouTube. b) That video is going to say anything that I haven’t already heard. c) I am so weak minded that I find spiritual beliefs from pseudo-intellectual online sources.
There are 12 major demonimations of Christianity and over 3000 various branches of Christianity. None of them teach the exact same thing and not all of them teach Biblical Literalism and I am sure your YouTube video didn’t mention that, you wanker.
Orcodrilo,
I challenge my own beliefs all the time, just as many others. Further more, not every Christian sees the scripture as a historical document nor do they feel the need to prove that God exists, because the moment that God is proven, our choice faith becomes fear of ccnsequence and if it was proven that God didn’t exist on Saturday, I’d still be in Church the next day, because the Concept of God is only a fraction of Christianity.
Sean,
The only reason religion and science doesn’t coexist is do to people who dont know how to interpret one or the other.
Brendan,
Again, the Bible was never written as a historical document. It is a series of Parables, Songs, Poems, and Metaphors made of both symbolic and encrypted messages.
KraftDinner,
You obviously have trouble reading because I have clearly said that at least 10 times in this thread alone.
James,
Since you sent me an email, your response will be sent in a reply.
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Daniel Lewis,
You’re use of numerology to to validate your suggestion is as absurd as numerology itself outside of the cryptic use.
Yahzi,
I don’t know if you understand English, but that verse advocates my point, not yours.
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Hmm, really. i didnt know that the bible was historically accurate, i thought it talks about stuff that happened before anyone was around to see it. Science has proof, not a book of fair tails designed to keep people in order!
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James,
I also want to publicly apologies for my harsh words towards you.
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@Pluveus: Thanks for your message. That’s interesting about the three kinds of Pastafarians…so what inspires the “jaded Christians” who come here?
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@Burndan23: You don’t believe in Jesus? Good for you. No one who’s carrying on a conversation now is trying to convert you (that I’ve seen). Believe what you want. Although your post concerns me a little. So “love your neighbor” is shit? Huh. “you obviously(correct me if im wrong) believe jesus died on the cross for us, etc. WE dont!” OK…like I said, good for you.
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“i dont need to take the time to know what part you believe is true or not.” One might argue that I don’t need to take the time to know what you believe…in other words, I don’t really need to hear you announce that you don’t believe in Jesus.
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“you give yourself away with the title christian.” I know you probably weren’t referring to me here, but I’ll respond: Yeah. I am a Christian. I “give away” that I worship Jesus. That’s not a secret, or I wouldn’t have announced it on the internet. I’m not ashamed to be a Christian, and if you respect me any less because I said that I am, you’re prejudiced. Bottom line is, your beliefs are as valid as mine, and mine are as valid as yours. I’m sorry if you’re unhappy with that.
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@Yahzi: “I kind of thought the focus of Christianity is Jesus. I think he thought that too, which is why he said: Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” The focus of Christianity is the teachings of Jesus. This passage means that God has to be more important than anything else in a believer’s life. In Christianity, Jesus is considered to be God, so if Jesus is the most important part of one’s life, one must follow his teachings, which stress the importance of friends, family, and community. And taking quotes completely out of context is never a good method by which to attempt to understand them.
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There’s enough annoying,self loving,bigoted,imposing,hate spewing,hypocritic,blind faithful people in the world as it is. in short i would rather burn in hell with the pagan hero’s of old then suffer in heaven with a bunch of holier then tho art asses. And if i remember correctly there were jews before there were christians and before jews there were pagans; so saying that Christianity was the first religion is pretty stupid considering jesus was born only 2008 years ago so are you saying that everything was created when jesus was born? Pray to your Vain Yaweh that i don’t find your stupid bigoted ass oneday.
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‘Tar’ says:
“Anyway, I’ve been curious to figure this out, but if humanity started with two white people (Adam and Eve), where does Asians and Africans come from (as with other nationalities)? I doubt thin eyes and dark skin came out of nowhere.”
If Adam & Eve actually existed, who says they were white? Scientists believe humanity originated in Africa. And wasn’t Jesus (if he existed) of Middle Eastern descent?
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Irate Pirate,
The Bible isn’t made up of Fairy Tales and the fact that you do is a testament to your intellectual and philosophical short-comings, they are symbolic verses with symbolic encryption which was used during a time of oppression, so they were authored as a means to pass on information.
So grow up.
Zach,
you should recite that quasi-diatribe while in front of a mirror.
LR,
What the hell are you talking about? No one has said that Jesus is white in this thread.
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COG —
We don’t hate God. We all love the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Geez!
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Rachel,
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Thanks for your post. You said, “Beliefs cannot kill people. A “practice, a way seeing the world, the place of people and things in it and the relationship of one to the other” cannot kill people. Not to say that ideas aren’t important, but it takes people to act upon those ideas for them to have effects, positive or negative. Yes, Christians have done terrible things in the name of their religion. This is not the fault of Christianity itself (which is clearly a nonviolent religion), but the fault of human evil.”
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My point was that ideas have consequences. Beliefs have consequences. Religion is more than just a set of beliefs. As you quote me above, religion requires a “practice” – people to act upon the tenets of their religion. Simply believing does not make for a religion. Action is required. People do not just act “in the name of their religion.” Their actions may reflect their religion. It is unreasonable to maintain that when people are good, it is attributable to their religion, while when they are bad, it is the fault of human evil.
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You said, “The Crusades, for example – if Christianity and Islam had never existed, those people would probably still have been killing each other for some other reason.” We don’t know one way or the other. We do know, however, that religious leaders used their religion as a means to incite believers to war on each other. And, believers acted on their beliefs to justify going to war, killing and being killed, themselves. This applied to both the Christians and Muslims.
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You quoted me as stating, “The practice of many Christians has been, and often still is, to regard any deviation from their view of the world and “set of mortal virtues” as being displeasing to God, subjecting deviants to eternal damnation if they do not change their ways. I consider this to be evil, in itself.” Although you may not like it, this is what a very large number of people believe that God has told them (through the Bible). To them, that is the truth. Period. It would be wrong for them to treat members of another religion as inferior, naturally, but if they simply believe that others are wrong, what harm does that do to anyone else?
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You are right that believing, by itself, does no harm. The point I have been trying to make is that people do act upon their beliefs. You said that, “It would be wrong for them (Christians) to treat members of another religion as inferior…” Yes it would, but there are so many examples of “well-meaning” Christians acting on such beliefs with terrible consequences that it fills many books. The “mission system” of colonization by the Catholic Church in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds in the New World that enslaved and deprived native Americans of their culture and religion easily comes to mind. I could go on, but I am sure you get the idea.
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One point of clarification, before your or anyone else gets the idea that I am writing about only Christians, please understand this. I view all “True Believers” as the problem. Anyone who claims to have “The Truth” should not be trusted. He/she is the most dangerous.
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The knowing the questions is always more important than knowing the answers.
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RAmen
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Sounds like somebody doesn’t like reading that their perspectives are
unlikely to be correct.
Despite the fact that there have been many terrible atrocities done by humans
against other humans that may not have been directly attributed to a fundamental
religious scripture does not change the fact that the proponent mechanizing forces
are ALWAYS driven by their conscious and unconscious beliefs. Many of the current
atrocities are committed for the purpose of economic gain; if not fully to change the
economic systems of an unwilling general populace by those who feel their
interpretation of reality and constructive capability exceeds those of the citizens who
make the contribution to their corresponding systemic belief.
The danger word is ‘belief’. This entitles a common thought that is immune to
persuasion from outside influences. For our survival, at least, this is a dangerous
propoal to adhere to. Why have ‘belief’’s when you can have ‘idea’’s, whether they
be good or bad; contructive of destructive, astute or retarted in comprehension; they
allow for changed as experience is percieved, (experienced).
Religious doctrines base truth of reality on very outdated primary sources that
were likely written by DMT-rich denizens, or entirely dangerous schizophrenics, as you
see fit through reading. Science does less, but often evidence is formed around the
theory as opposed to the theory being fit to the evidence. This is a dangerous rationale.
The Big Bang theory currently accepted is a good ‘non-religious’ example. Many scientists
are trying to fit their data to the theory as opposed to actually keeping objective standpoint.
This doesn’t mean the data is wrong, much of it is quite consistent with current objective
findings; but when one bases their beliefs around something they percieve to be reality,
regarless of evidence for such an ideas credence to truth/reality, they are making the same
mistake that makes many of us scared to wake up in the morning with the possibility of
being killed by Judaic/Islamic/Chrisian warriors who value their lives so little that they
are willing to spin the high-roller table with hope that they will be rewarded in an afterlife
that NONE of them have evidence of, aside from compromising documents that give
virtue to hartred based on abstract thought and have provided a good scenery for the
worst examples of human nature to EVER BE REALIZED IN THE ENTIRETY OF OUR
HISTORY AS A SPECIES CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING SUBJECTIVE PAIN.
I may not be qualified as a religious or philosophical scholar, but I have legally died twice.
Both times from unintentional drug overdose using prescribed substances. I do remember what
happened during my “deaths”, as vague as it was, I remember a sense very similar to
that which was there before I was born into this state as a human. I value my life. I value my life
enough to be able to tell people that have been important to me in this life that I love them, and to
then support them. There is a real higher power, and this power is not represented in ANY
currently accepted ‘HOLY’ documents. As soon as such a thing claims infalliablility, it looses any
credentials one may believe/accept.
But I would not trade my life for the destructruction of the human species in hope of better later…
once it’s way, way, way, way too late for myself. Possibly for everyone else.
~Monk
nudemonkei@nc.rr.com
May all of us one day live in a unity that current systems of faith
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I don’t hate God. Hating something that doesn’t exist makes no sense at all. I also don’t hate people with faith. I just don’t agree with them.
I do get slightly annoyed by the introduction of unnecessary emotion into the whole issue. Why does it have to involve love or hate or any other emotion? Why can I not rationally and calmly hold a different opinion?
Christianity is not the oldest religion. It’s the second youngest of the major religions (I’m discounting scientology and th other weird cults for the purposes of this post). In fact, there is a strong case that it’s not really a religion of its own at all. The mythology is basically Jewish and the philosophy is a blending of Jewish and Buddhist ideas which all predate Christ. Christ didn’t really say anything that hadn’t already been said by Moses or Buddha.
Moses said – worship good and follow his rules and you’ll get into heaven
Buddha said – stop worrying about how rich you are and try to be nice to other people and you’ll live a good life
Jesus said – er, yeah, what those guys said
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Ah. religious people. It took them 40 years to cross the desert which would be crossed (even in that time) in 10 days (yeah, I’m talking about Moses leading “chosen people”).
Should I say anything more about them?
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@Darkcitymedia
We have the same amount of evidence for existance of Jesus as for existance of FSM.
And religions ARE about gods. And worshiping them. If your parents were brainwashing you since you were born with religion, it’s really hard to see something beyond things you were brainwashed to see.
I was raised in that way. When I reached thinking age, I grow up and tossed the religion aside; everything was against it. It was kind of opening your eyes and realizing that you can see.
I have no problem with religion, but when morons want to make ID science, I must ask why?
ID is science as much I am planet.
I love retards who say that our world is too complex to appear naturally, and take that as an argument for ID. That’s just retarded. If we’re too complex to appear naturally, then how god appeared out of nothing when he is more complex than us? He appeared naturally? Then, there can be many gods. Then if something that complex can appear naturally how can’t we? God was always there? For all we know time doesn’t exist outside our universe, so God couldn’t been there always before he created time?
“Religion is considered by common people as true, by wise as false and by rulers as useful.”
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OPosum,
No, actually you don’t have the same amount of evidence for the existence of the Galilean Teacher Jesus who is the symbolic message in the New Covenant gospels as you do for FSM. I can’t provide historical documentation that Jesus was the conduit of miracles which is stated in biblical scripture, but I can provide documentation of his existence at the time claimed.
Further more, no deities are nothing more than celestial enforment of morals established by religion, while religion itself is centered around the moral virtues and community which choose to follow and practice the virtues and rituals associated with the morals.
Next, no one has brain washed me, I took the time to educate myself and provide myself with the necessary tools to investigate my beliefs before I adopted my beliefs. While you just tossed the literalist interpretation you were provided for science. Therefore your thought and consideration on the matter went no further than the primal consideration of fundamentalists, which alone places question on your personal scientific understanding.
If you were unable to spot the symbolism and encrypted teachings provided in the original gospels, while unable to utilize gematria and all other encrypted legends to decipher these teachings…
then the only retard you’ve identified is yourself.
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Darkcitymedia,
Thanks, I don’t think I received a reply, sorry, just no ID in schools. Religion is cool it can just be used to control people sometimes. Which I guess I’m apart of now. Whatever, thanks, sorry for my cursing, I just do that kind of thing. I still disagree with you.
-J.T.S.
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oposum
Is right there is the same amout of evidence that god is really exist or is it just fsm, it can even be an icecream crapping taco for all i know. i know one thing thought…MAN CREATED GOD NOT GOD CREATED MAN. just like oposum hell is just to scare you into beliving that god exist and the church gets monye from gov. and donations jews christans and mulims are way better then sincetolgly and inteligant disingh shit. all the religons to me seem like a load of shit.FSM is the best. becuse he can kick your gods ASS. remember… MAN CREATED GOD NOT GOD CREATED MAN! RAMEN!
-R.A.S
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he should go stick his hand into a buring bush a see what happens i know what happens. YOU WILL BURN YOUR FUCKING HAND OFF THE BIBLE IS FLAWED.
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The best hatemail comes from people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
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I don’t know who created this site or for what readon this site was created but all i know is that you are trying to imply that people cannot prove the spaghetti wateva monster does not exist. Although noone can really prove a negative unless maybe scientifically. But as for proving God exists, noone can really prove that. Just the same as someone cannot prove to a blind person that the moon and the stars are really there. Just as a blind man cannot see the moon and the stars, there fore a spiritually blind person cannot be led to proof that God exists. simply because they are blind to it and they can’t see. Its all about FAITH.
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zach- love you. however, jesus wasn’t born 2008 years ago. he was created about 1650 years ago. you know somewhere around there when constantine needed to find a way to save the failing rome, at the concil of neici (or however the fuck it is spelled). ask a christian about that shit. bet they won’t know…
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brendan: Show me a Bible verse that says Judaism was the first religion and I’ll believe you. As far as I know, there is none. And Christians do believe in one God, but that there are different ways to think about God, and that God has shown himself to people in different ways over time (as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). I would love to explain this to you in more detail if you want, but if you just like to complain about Christianity and don’t care if you know what the heck you’re talking about, I won’t waste my time.
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KraftDinner: In my opinion, that’s a valid thought. No one should claim they know everything about the Bible and what its authors wanted readers to get out of it.
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I’ll be back soon to reply to more…
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Darkcitymedia.
You have twice (so far) referred to peoples inability to read the messages your are posting (”You obviously have trouble reading because….” and “I don’t know if you understand English, but that”).
Now, I don’t want to be pedantic but unfortunately it’s in my nature so here goes. Don’t you think you should learn to write properly? So that people don’t give up reading your posts through sheer frustration at the twisted misspelled rant you seem to favour? I can almost see the spittle leaving your lips as you shout out your desperate defence for what is essentially your imaginary friend.
A few mistakes here and there are to be expected, but a tiny bit of proof reading and maybe a little thought (if you haven’t used it all up “challenging” your faith) would enable you to express your ideas in a manner which is easy to read and properly communicative.
A quick comment on fundamentalism before I go. You say “By 2030, Fundamentalism will be all but gone from this earth because just as many Christians are sick of it as Atheists and non-Christians”. Well, you’re fundamentally wrong. Fundamentalism only exists because of religion. If you insist that there is an unquestionable truth i.e God, then you have all the ingredients to create a fundamentalist. God is the framework on which people who are afraid of death hang their rather sad little delusional curtains to block the rather fantastic truth of life. We got lucky! We won the lottery and we’ve got about 70 years to make the most of it. Then it’s over. Ever wonder why you can’t remember Ancient Egypt? It’s because you didn’t exist then, and this state of affairs will be reinstated when you cease to exist again. Why do you people have such a difficult time figuring this out?
Erm, can’t be arsed to carry on for now.
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Daniel: I’m not sure who you’re saying calls him/herself a Christian, but I do so I’d like to respond. I don’t call myself a Christian because I want to be grouped with any particular type of person. I worship Jesus, and that is all I mean by using the word “Christian”. It is unreasonable to prefer that people not assume more about me because of this one label? As for the rest of your post, I’m a little confused as to what you’re trying to prove. Just because the New Testament was probably not written before 50 AD doesn’t make it worthy of complete dismissal. None of what you said “disproves” Christianity in any way, if that’s what you’re attempting to do.
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Blackbard: You said, “It is unreasonable to maintain that when people are good, it is attributable to their religion, while when they are bad, it is the fault of human evil.” I agree with this; I don’t think I ever said that good qualities in people are all due to religion. About half my family is not religious but they are still great people.
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“I view all “True Believers” as the problem. Anyone who claims to have “The Truth” should not be trusted. He/she is the most dangerous.” Why do you assume that one cannot know the truth? By saying this, aren’t you claiming to know the truth?
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I agree with most of the rest of your post and I don’t want to debate just for the sake of debating. I just don’t think that a person’s religion should be immediately blamed for that person’s rudeness (or anything else you don’t like), when it could be due to any number of things (bad parenting, for example).
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Nudemonkei: “There is a real higher power, and this power is not represented in ANY
currently accepted ‘HOLY’ documents.” Wow. I’m curious as to what authority you have to say this…?
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TheMaskedAvenger: Christianity isn’t just about Jesus’ teachings.
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OPosum: “We have the same amount of evidence for existance of Jesus as for existance of FSM.” No you don’t. There are historical records of Jesus’ life as a man on earth. You can choose not to believe them, but they actually exist. You can claim the FSM was sighted by Henderson, but this is just one person claiming to have seen God. If you had said, “We have the same amount of evidence for the existence of the Christian God as for the existence of FSM”, that would have been valid.
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“If your parents were brainwashing you since you were born with religion, it’s really hard to see something beyond things you were brainwashed to see.” You’re probably not talking to me here, but neither of my parents believes in God (as far as I know). I became a Christian at age 15. You’re not the only one who thinks.
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Rachel
Mar 16th, 2008 at 9:23 am
brendan: Show me a Bible verse that says Judaism was the first religion and I’ll believe you. As far as I know, there is none.
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Ever read the old testament?? Quite a few verses in there I believe…
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But then I never specialised in religious history, but I do know I read of quite a few religions pre-dating both judaism and therefore christianity. They just were wiped out before our time, that’s all.
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James,
There is no need to apologize for your cursing. This is a topic which is both fueled and contaminated by the passion of our knowledge and beliefs, so people are bound to become disgruntled.
I have to agree with you, James, that thought conditioning is applied throughout many Christian denominations. Just understand that there are Christians, who are working towards restoring that which has been taken and can be restored and believe me when I say there are more Christians working towards restoration than you’ll ever know.
Christian doctrine across the board has been going through gradual changes over the past decade, but since we’re combating 400 years of extreme thought conditioning, it can’t be restored overnight. An example of these changes would be the Azusa Street Pentecostals, who are the fastest growing denomination. 10 years ago they were preaching mono-righteousness, burning books, ordering their members to not own TV’s, listen to any music that wasn’t authored by pentecostals, ordering their women to never cut their hair, never wear any pants or dresses cut above the knee, while ordering their men to remain clean shaven, never wear shorts, tank tops, and keep their hair trimmed.
Now they are advocating Buddhism, removed their ban on literature, while teaching that their religious beliefs aren’t the only religious beliefs which should be deemed as holy.
So understand that you’re not the only people combating the oppression of fundamentalism, there are many Christians who are in the battle next to you and to see this, all you have to do is turn your head.
Robert,
Clearly the FSM message has reached the inbred colonies of the West Virginian Appalachian Mountains.
Justme,
This site is centered around the constitutional amendments & US citizens right to not have their children subjected to religious ideology that they don’t practice or believe.
Usually I rip into naive Christians who attack this site and it’s community members, but I can tell that you had the good intentions with your post. So my advice is that you look into the ideals of this FSM further and understand that just like Christians, the vast majority of community members here are good and friendly people with a bad apple here or there.
This conflict isn’t fueled by personal belief, it’s fueled by misconception and misunderstanding.
Jessica,
What was the point of referencing an offshoot of trivial knowledge that the general public normally wouldn’t know?
Rachel,
Well this really isn’t to Rachel, but rather to everyone in this comment thread who’re arguing over which religion was first. So allow me to put an end to this debate for you…
The eldest documented religion is “Vedas.”
Vedas is the Ancient Indian which evolved into Hindu Dharmaism. Followed by Egyptian Polytheism & Zoomorphism.
Some have argued that Egyptian Polytheism was crafted as a delivery system for Egyptian laws of the time, but there is ritual practice, celestial icons/deities, and pantheons of devotion. Therefore it does meet the criterion standard of being called a “religion.”
Both Vedas and Egyptian Polytheism appeared 3000 years before Judaism.
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