I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COG
I don’t understand why you all hate God
Published by Bobby Henderson February 24th, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 362 Comments
362 Responses to “I don’t understand why you all hate God”
Dave,
LoL! Write properly? I think that it’s best to address your comment separately, rather than my usual format of confederated replies.
Don’t try to sell or beg to be excused from your pedagogue intentions as being merely the result of your biochemical make-up.
You clearly mean to be pedantic & if that is your chosen vehicle of disputation, that is fine by my own standards, because I ignore context and acknowledge substance. With that being said, the next time that you wish to published a pseudo and ostentatious remark, don’t insult our intelligence by packaging your deign remarks in the mountebank gift wrap of an amicable suggestion or friendly advice. It’s the tactic of intellectual cowards who’re trying to establish cerebral preeminence through the use of indignant barbs, while avoiding the confrontational consequence that normally would result. Plus, targeting irrelevant issues such as compositional structures and making unsolicited edits is fairly deplorable.
It seems that the vast majority have no problem with comprehension because there is nothing wrong with my 1st draft writing and grammar. While the origins of the incomprehensible burden is native to their own short comings. Further more, when typographical errors can be found, anyone with a grade school education could decipher the original intent, so who cares? It’s not like I can go back and edit my comments, nor do I intend to spend time proof reading casual posts which generate no income, especially when the vast majority of my posts are authored while I’m working. Therefore my occupation siphon the vast majority of my time and rightfully so.
Now as far as your point on fundamentalism is concerned. I’m sorry to break this to you, but you’re wrong. There has been a multi-denominational coalition working together for over a decade with the sole purpose of restoring a basic criterion of original teachings. Further more, your expressed rationale which led to your conclusion is in itself both faulty and presumptuous, because it’s based on a universal interpretation and doctrine that doesn’t exist in a multi-denominational structure.
The progress being made in the Restoration Movement is a gradual and carefully considered, because we’re combating over 400 years of extreme thought conditioning & 400 years is plenty of time for that which is second nature to the father and mother, to mutate into a biochemical disposition, thus we’re combating concrete zealotry that is fortified by chromosomal predetermination.
What this means is that it is impossible to make a complete restructuring without losing the vast majority of our congregation to Fundamentalism, because as we all know individually humans are intellectually lucid, but together the instinctive herd mentality takes precedent. Even so, great progress has been made since the introduction of the Restoration Movement just over 200 years ago & now that an official organized alliance has been made inside the social boundaries of the Christian community, the kind of changes that have been made over the past decade far exceeds any liberal expectations and educated forecast, so the end of organized Fundamentalism (with the exception of small independent sects.) by 2030 is a very real prognostication.
Assumptions that are absent of research and rationale are far more dangerous than any creation of man. You should heed those words.
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ummm christianity has not existed since the beginning of time dumbass, according to the bible there were jews that converted because jesus was born dumbass but according to logic atheism came 1st then when man was confused they made explanations saying “it was god”
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Rachel (quoting from your post on 3/16/08),
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“Blackbard: You said, “It is unreasonable to maintain that when people are good, it is attributable to their religion, while when they are bad, it is the fault of human evil.” I agree with this; I don’t think I ever said that good qualities in people are all due to religion.”
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True, you didn’t say that good qualities are all due to religion. But you did say on March 9th, “Yes, Christians have done terrible things in the name of their religion. This is not the fault of Christianity itself (which is clearly a nonviolent religion), but the fault of human evil.”
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This is where we disagree. My point was and is that some evil things people have done have been as a result of their religion, not in spite of it.
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You said, quoting me, “I view all “True Believers” as the problem. Anyone who claims to have “The Truth” should not be trusted. He/she is the most dangerous.” Why do you assume that one cannot know the truth? By saying this, aren’t you claiming to know the truth?
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No. Without going too far into epistemology, let me just say that “True Believers” are beyond questioning. The possession of “The Truth” ends inquiry. No contrary evidence is possible. In the “True Believers” view those who question “The Truth” are heretics who must either be denied or eliminated. What I am saying is that stifling inquiry is a bad thing. That is why “True Believers” are evil.
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You said, “I just don’t think that a person’s religion should be immediately blamed for that person’s rudeness (or anything else you don’t like), when it could be due to any number of things (bad parenting, for example).”
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Neither do I. Context is a necessary component in order to know the source of a person’s behavior. If someone cuts me off in traffic, I would not blame their religion. However, if someone uninvited comes to my door with the intent to convert me to his/her religion, that is not the fault of “bad parenting.” That is the fault of his/her religion, unless you include religious indoctrination in your definition of “bad parenting.”
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Of course, there are more momentous things to be concerned with than the small annoyance of someone at the door, but I maintian that some very bad things that people have done were clearly only a direct result of their religion.
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RAmen
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(smacks forehead)…Is this guy serious? Please say this guy is a troll…
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In all accuracy, while the Hebrew faith does claim to be the first religion in existence, this must be analytically taken with a grain of salt, as it cites as evidence its own holy book, rather than externally verifiable information sources. In fact, the farther back one traces human spirituality, the more gods are part of the embraced, popular belief, right up to the earliest faiths… various tribal forms of animism, which asserted that every living thing has a holy spirit.
With that in mind, the advancement of religion would best indicate that faiths that evade the issue of a deity altogether are most likely to be the core of the religions of the future.
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i BELIEVE I BELIVE I BELIEVE
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Look, you were an atheist when you were born.
From there, it’s what religion you were raised to believe, were introduced to, or some form of faith you invented yourself.
Some religions are good at organizing some people in a positive way, but all are a poor substitute for complete intellectual freedom and attaining a genuine care for your fellow human. Buddhism excepted, perhaps.
It is my hope that someday people finally cast off the shackles of religion and realize as humans we only have ourselves and our planet to create a “heaven” for us to live in during our short lives. Unfortunately it takes a lot of courage and a slightly higher intellect to do so in our age; most people are not up to the challenge yet. Eventually, not in our lifetimes, with open communication like the internet and guaranteed free speech such as outlined in the U.S. Constitution, will this inevitably come to fruition.
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you are all way off on this it comes down to one man dying for the sins of every person in the world becuse god loved us so much he sent his inly begotten son that who ever belive will not parish but have etarnal life for crist was not sent to condmem the world but to save it if you havw any qustions or comments my email is irishleprechaun_36@msn.com
ps im sry for the really bad spelling
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to Red DutchPasta Wench/ rachel umm in the beging there was no relgion it was only one man who belvied in god then one man one woman who belived in god then came sin and after sin came religons and others after that
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For god sake, figuritavely speaking, because neither Judaism or christianity were around at the beginning of time, firstly it took a long timefor the known lifeforms to emerge which is fact and if you dont believe it tough. secondly people worshipped phenomena not a one true god, people praised the rising of the sun the flowing of the rivers and so forth, Egyptians were around long before everyone else i believe
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We don’t “hate God.” First off, we believe that our government never wanted to be controlled by a church…ANY CHURCH. This nation might have been founded “under God,” but the government cannot establish an official religion for a reason. That reason was to prevent “holy wars” and to prevent the government from shutting down any other religion.
People who scream about church and state being separate are right. You can continue to scream the other part of the amendment about “nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” but that exists just to keep the government from actively shutting you down just because you and/or your religion don’t agree with what the government is doing.
I personally would want to move out of this country if an official religion were declared by the government, because it sends a clear message that anyone who doesn’t agree with that religion (or a subset, like Catholicism) just aren’t welcome. In other words, stop trying to force your view of religion down my throat.
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Darkcitymedia, I have just one comment to a comment you made:
“This site is centered around the constitutional amendments & US citizens right to not have their children subjected to religious ideology that they don’t practice or believe.”
Why is it that evolutionism, which is just a theory, mind you, and has not been proven as of yet, can be taught as fact, but the idea of intelligent design cannot be taught at all? You say that this is a constitutional right, but what about the constitutional rights of Christians, and other religions that also believe in a god-figure that created the world (Judaism and Islam just to name a few)? We have the right to send our children to public schools, we pay taxes after all, so I believe that we do have the right to ask that both ideas be taught equally. Since neither idea can be proven scientifically, both ideas should be taught as theories and children and parents should be given the right to believe what they want to believe. I feel as though those that do not believe in God are pushing their ideas on me and my children and my constitutional rights are being infringed upon. This country was founded on the idea that people have the right to worship how they want to, or not at all if they should so choose. I understand the idea of separation of church and state, but in all actuality, the reason the pilgrims came over was because the government was telling the church what to believe (sound familiar?).
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Do you mean the beginning of time or the beginning of “time”. And as for the bible it’s just a book, a book that has been rewritten and corrupted to fit the beliefs of the time period many times.
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you cannot hate something that does not exist….
Therefore we do not hate your god
However, we DO LOVE OURS
Ramen
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Red DutchPasta Wench: Like I said before, show me a verse. I could be wrong.
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jordan: I really have no idea what you’re talking about. Where did you get this information…?
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Greg: I can’t speak for the original poster, but I haven’t seen anyone arguing for church control of the government. And none of us that have been debating recently are arguing for ID in schools.
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personally, i think that jesus was a guy that went around preaching all his life. then he died because people didn’t like him. his followers wrote some stuff about him… and suddenly it escalated…
he was a real man. he wasn’t the son of god.
FSM worship was invented for the purpose of stopping intelligent design being taught in schools. obviously you saw the banner at the top of the page and thought “they’re making fun of god!!!”
and what do you mean, “until man sinned.” as in, sin created other religions?
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Christianity has not been around since the beginning of time. Read your history books.
Why don’t we believe in god? Duh, maybe because there is not one single shred of evidence anywhere on earth that any omnipotent being exists now or existed in the past. And now that we have been into space we can see that nobody lives there – at least in our neighborhood.
Considering the state of this planet with it’s wars, crime and pollution, it seems to me to be the height of egotism to claim that we are the smartest things in the universe. Anything smarter would look, indeed, like a god to a humble human. Remember Clarke’s Law: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” I hope those words aren’t too long for you.
Organized religion, in my opinion, is a cover for men (rarely women) who are looking for money, power and fame. Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, shall I name some more men who use their religion to live like kings and think themselves above the law? How about science fiction writers who make up religions for their own use like L Ron Hubbard?
You believe that a man who was executed for inciting a riot 2000 years ago will return from the dead and take you to heaven while torturing those who are left on earth, and you think I’m crazy? Gimme a break.
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Personally I hate god because he only made me with one nostril.
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Don’t believe in God? I guess usually when one capitalizes it, one means the Abrahamic god, but we Pastafarians do believe in the creator. How else can we expect to be touched by his noodly appendage?
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May the great FSM have mercy on your corrupted soul for spilling such a heresy from your mind and keyboard.
RAMEN!
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How can you hate something that doesn’t exist? I don’t hate god in the same way that I don’t hate the tooth fairy. The bible is full of flaws and that brings us to the next point. Christianity has not been around since the dawn of time, it started around 2000 years ago and was a creation of man who had only been around for a few 10,000’s of years. Time started around 15 billion years before that which is a preaty big error in the good book.
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actually, it pisses me off how you assume you know what was around at the begining of time, Id hate to see how warped your mind is in reality, because it would probably scare me. one of the reasons why the world is in so much crap is because we have people carping on like you thinking there have a god given knowledge of the truth!
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@just me,
Yeah, you got to the point of the website, you cannot prove god dosn’t exist. Because the supernatural is not science and shouldn’t be taught in schools as science (intelligent design). Because it is wrong for people to impose their faith, on the public who is protected under establishment clause.
-J.T.S.
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@Darkcitymedia,
Uhh, I can prove that pasta existed, it’s all over the place. Yeah… so we have Italian resurant menus, so if pasta exists, then that means that FSM exists. Just like the idea that if Jesus existed then he must be the son of god and god must exist. Yeah, so we do have evidence, indirectly, through pasta to the existence of flying pasta. Take pasta in a foodfight, or on a plane. It’s just like Christians saying Bible more of a metaphore and it shouldn’t be taken seriously. I have nothing wrong with that. But we can also make metaphors.
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@Darkcitymedia,
Yeah, so we are using our celestial entity to impose our morals, or the i really rather you didn’ts. I like those better so that is how I chose my religion. Based on the morals in conveys, any gaps, I can fill in myself because people don’t actually need religion for moral guidence, society dose that well enough. And even though society is also influenced by religion, there are also laws! Which can be a great thing to form your character around. (At least you can change laws to what is reasonable and still disagree with some of them, with religion, if you follow the bible literally, your a rather fucked up person). DCM, sorry if these arguments pissed u off, there are probably many flaws in my arguments. So don’t take me or religion literally, or at least make religons fit your needs.
-J.T.S.
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…ur such a conformist.
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Hey, the post above the last one, that should be at Rachel, sorry.
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I don’t hate god what so ever, I’m a Christian. I just don’t think creationism should be taught at schools.
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what an amazing pile of dung are you… all hail the FSM!!!
I believe!
RAmen
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Who said anything about hating god??? If you read the book, which you obviously didn’t, you would know that pastafarianism is accepting of all religions. We do believe he exists, and he’s in the form of pasta. If you know anything about the bible you would know that almost everything in it was passed down from person to person for hundreds of years. It has to do with faith, we are not saying we are anymore right than you are. There are hundreds of religions, what makes yours more right than anyone else’s?
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Dave,
First off, don’t insult our intelligence by packaging your trite ostentatiousness as sagaciousness from the kindness of your heart.
Your attempt at making unsolicited edits on an online comment thread worthy of no more than an unseen roll of the eyes and reciprocated snideness, but for you to focus the three paragraphs of half-wit redundancy conjures images of a fat, sweaty, unshaven man with, “pathetic” stamped across your forehead and an underlying testimony of a pseudo Michael Moore disciple who’s self worth is centered around asininity of his body of work online.
I author my posts in the 5 or 10 minutes breaks between appointments with clients or working on my column and the fact that you’re clearly unable to even considered this universal logic of the employed….. *wink*…
Second, you clearly have absolutely no clue as to the inner-working on denominational religion and any understanding you do have is a matter of casual research where you mine that which supports your bias views, while shutting out the rest.
For the past 70 years the Esoteric Restoration Movement has been working to remove the fraudulent teachings which have contaminated Christianity for 400 through the advent of annual republications of the scriptures and over the first 55 years of the movement there have been drastic changes into the teachings far surpassing all expectation & the decline of all Fundamentalist Denominations spawned from British and American Protestantism. Yet this is nothing compared to the multi-denominational alliance of Christians who have now began meeting on a semi annual basis, once in the summer to hold multi-theist revivals across the nation, while in the winter the heads of all Christian denominations (i.e. with the exception of Roman Catholics, Protestant, and a fraction of Evangelical Denominations) with the sole purpose of reinserting original teachings of the common foundation of teachings.
In the past 15 years we’ve seen unprecedented changes in teachings, the most dramatics of which being the Azusian Pentecostals who are the fastest growing denomination in the world, who have gone from burning all literature not pertaining to their religion, banning televisions, censoring all music except that recorded by Azusians, forbidding their women from wearing dressess above the knee, fprbidding women to cut their hair, while their men can’t wear shorts, tank tops, forbidding beards or hair past the shoulders… are now introducing classic literature to their youth, advocating universal righteousness throughout Christian and non-Christian religions, taking monthly trips to art museums, play houses, and have brought Buddhists, Hindus, and many other monks and priests to offer understanding of various religions.
So when I say Fundamentalism will come to an end by 2030, with the exception of a few singular churches with no national denominational links, it’s supported by facts, statistics, and careful research.
Third, you clearly have no clue about who, what, or why people to practice religion because your own conditioned pre-programming and desperate need for intellectual validation leads you to be equally as narrow minded as Fundamentalists.
People participate in religion because it promotes friendship, family, and community.
They practice religion because it brings them comfort.
They practice because it gives them the opportunity to help others in need.
Iconic deities is a small fraction of Christianity and if I discovered certain proof that there was no God on Saturday, I would still show up to Church on Sunday morning with the rest of my Esoteric Christian Brethren.
The last thing that is on our minds is death. If I was worried about death, then I never would have worked as a defense officer protecting UN and Peace Corp relief convoys, As an officer in a defensive unit at the start of the Liberia’s 2nd Civil War, served in Afghanistan, or Iraq.
What makes you an intellectual parasite and impostor is the fact that you haven’t considered the concept of religion past the same point that the Fundamentalist considered their own literalist doctrine… the only difference is your conclusion.
You’re just another puppet in this conspiritorial counter culture where men like Oliver Stone, Chris Carter, David Icke, and Lucien Wolf provide your with pre-packaged absurdist views, hustle you into buying into some grand scheme, send you on archival scavanger hunts, and sprinkle in just enough truth so that you’ll send them every penny of the 8 dollars an hour you make at Radio Shack. So that you can feel like you can see past some non-existence zionic curtain of what of is right infront of our eyes and know that this world is really being ran by a bunch of jewish bankers, dead bovarian drunkards, Ivy League Frat Boys, and a bunch of 35 year old accountants who get together on weekends in a clubhouse to play knights of the round, while wearing purple sashes, perform pagan rituals, and run around making intergalactic back alley deals with ET. When the fact of the matter is that they’re just a bunch of jerk off’s who like to sit around reading the wall street journal, smoke cigars, drink double malt scotch, and play card games.
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Ramen, brother.
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@darkcitymedia
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If the world were *really* run by Jewish bankers, the world might be at least a little more solvent than it is as run by Harvard MBA’s, but that’s just a personal opinion. I did want to repeat that it would be interesting if you’d post a few more leads/links/whatever to the fundamentals (no slur intended) of your Restoration movement. They seem to rate stratospherically high on sanity and tolerance. That has really been the most important point of all your posts, hasn’t it????
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Here is a little fun bit for you. Maybe you didn’t read the rest of the word…because it was probably God—–dess. The first religion was actually Paganism. The worship toward nature and a Goddess and a God. Maybe you should stop with the nonsense, open your eyes, believe what you want, and let us do the same. Don’t brainwash our minds because you aren’t completely happy with yours.
Hope you enjoyed that correction from an 11 year old girl.
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Oh and by the way….look at christmas easter and all of your other hollidays…take a look at a Pagan calendar…
Yule (December 21st) Christmas (Dec. 25th)
Ostara (March 21st) Easter (usually around same date)
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Here are two Pagan holidays….and next to them, two christian holldays…take a look…
Yule (dec. 21st) Christmas (dec. 25th)
Ostara (march 21st) Easter (around same time)
Either Jesus was playing copycat with his birthday or you have a lot of lies told to you. Also, if you want to say that the Christian holidays came first, I can bring up some interesting facts about the exact opposite. Do some research before you defend your homie, God.
Leah-11 years old and loving this post :)
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@dreamchaser77
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Although you addressed this to Darkcitymedia, I would like to correct one of your comments, myself.
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You asked, “Why is it that evolutionism, which is just a theory, mind you, and has not been proven as of yet, can be taught as fact, but the idea of intelligent design cannot be taught at all?”
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I wish this were the last time this had to be said, but since anti-evolution writers keep making the same mistake (or is it intentional?), evolution is NEVER TAUGHT AS A FACT! Neither the process nor the concept are considered to be facts. Everyone who teaches evolution knows this, you should, too. Once you know this, you will not look so uninformed when you express your views.
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RAmen
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5 or 10 minute break, my noodle. You’re just sitting alone in your room, with a dictionary on your lap and tears in your eyes, is my guess. ‘pathetic stamped across your forehead’? Dude… The way you choose to keep the spaghetti out of your heart really shows your narrowmindedness. I hope you can be forgiven by your placebo-deity…
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Fatal error 33:
Does not compute
“all hate God” Object not found
Christianity will now shut down…
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We don’t hate god. Thats like hating the easter bunny. You can’t hate something that isn’t real.
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We dont hate him at all. We just think he isn’t real. You can’t hate something thats not real. Did you know that there is more evidence that bigfoot is real than that god is real?
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The bible is historically accurate? So your trying to tell me that you think its historically accurate that Moses Parted water with his hands and a staff? Do you think its historically accurate that a guy rose people from the dead and then he himself was killed and he came back to life? DO you think its historically accurate that the whole world flooded? They did resaerch and found that even if all the worlds ice melted there still would not be enough water to flood the world. Your ignoring the facts of evolution and only seeing what your parents and preist want you to see. You’ve been brainwashed since infancy and you dont even know it.
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Well we don’t hate God, we have a noodley God, and you may try it for 30 days, if you don’t like the FSM you can have your old God and be happy.
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It’s called satire – get over it.
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? I dont get it… are you all making a spoof of christianity??? or of any other religion? If you all really sincerely believe in this FLying Spagetti Monster, be my guest and believe in the beer volcanos and stripper factories. BUT, if you’re REALLY making fun of christanity, then i feel REALLY bad for you. I’ll explain why, but i dont want to say if you guys really believe in this beast… i mean “Diety.” And by the way, insulting someone that merely asks oyu why you hate God so much isn’t a true way to debate.. Not taht i know how to debate at all…
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ANOTHER THING, too, ive also been reading around, and i just wanna say, it appears that you guys are for the evoltionists theory… if you arent, please accept my sincerest apologies.
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We Don’t Hate God…It’s Impossible to hate something that does not exist. Religion is just a crutch for the week. For those simple minded people who have no sense of direction in life to be told how to live. Those who have no backbone or sense of self. Those poor disgusting individuals who can’t think for themselves or figure life out on there own. The need the operating manual to figure out how to use a toaster. Religion is nothing more than a group of people that fail at life and rely on promises of something better…Promises that will never come true.
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It is not a question of believing or not in god, but of forcing anyone to adopt a point of view which does not admite questioning. Science develops on questioning and on being wrong. When was the last time anyone hear a preacher saying he was wrong? Which religion allows questioning of its bible?
That is why whe should only teach what has been stablished through centuries of criticism and reasoning, not that it is the ONLY truth but that is the only INDEPENDENT truth, whic a muslim, a cristian, a budist, an atheist, anyone can equally contribute and discuss. INDEPENDENT of their belief in god.
You may believe in whatever you want, but to allow free thinking let us not force our children to choose one faith or another. Faith is individual. Reasoning, logical thinking is universal. It is a way to work together without having to have the same beliefs.
Brutus Bio
Braziç
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It is not a question of believing or not in god, but of forcing anyone to adopt a point of view which does not admite questioning. Science develops on questioning and on being wrong. When was the last time anyone hear a preacher saying he was wrong? Which religion allows questioning of its bible?
That is why whe should only teach what has been stablished through centuries of criticism and reasoning, not that it is the ONLY truth but that is the only INDEPENDENT truth, whic a muslim, a cristian, a budist, an atheist, anyone can equally contribute and discuss. INDEPENDENT of their belief in god.
You may believe in whatever you want, but to allow free thinking let us not force our children to choose one faith or another. Faith is individual. Reasoning, logical thinking is universal. It is a way to work together without having to have the same beliefs.
Brutus Bio
Brazil
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How can I hate that does not exist?
First proof that God exists
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