I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COG
I don’t understand why you all hate God
Published by Bobby Henderson February 24th, 2008 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 362 Comments
362 Responses to “I don’t understand why you all hate God”
Isn’t that supposed to be “God”. I think you’d better get back in touch with the one true entity worth worshipping–FSM.
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LIES!!! Christianity did NOT originate at the beginning of time…It originated less than 2008 years ago. Judaism was around since the “beginning” of time, biblically (old testament based) around 6000 years ago. And the FSM gospel does account for the discrepancy in the fossil record; Yahweh makes no assertion of the power to manipulate radiocarbon, acceerator mass spectometry, or any other dating techniques.
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I think you need to re-read your ancient history books, dude. And we don’t hate god. How can you hate something that doesn’t exist?
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i lol’d!
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I’ll take this one step at a time.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Making an assumption without bothering to do careful research. I think a significant number of us actually believes in God (I don’t, but as an Animist, I believe in souls and spirits). We’re merely united by one cause that to teach the Creation of earth–according to the Bible–as science is wrong.
Notice my wording: “creation of earth AS SCIENCE”. We have nothing against believing that the Universe was begun by an omnipotent force. We have A LOT against thinking that this count as science: exactly what is that force? Can we see it? Is it detectable? If there’s no way we can observe or detect this Creation force directly, then it doesn’t abide by the strict limits of science.
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To summarize: God is not scientific. This doesn’t mean we hate God, or that we don’t believe Him. It means he is not an observable force, and is strictly not in the realm of science.
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“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
Well, considering that the Bible is rather vague (and occasionally self-contradictory), you have to be careful at considering what is accurate and what isn’t. For example, the fruit that Adam and Eve ate could not have been an apple due to the warm climates of the garden of Eden. It’s also worth noting that any “magical” event in the Bible is wildly exaggerated. The part where Jesus walks on water is found that the accounted water body iced up at correct climates; that is, Jesus walked on ice. Even Moses’ water dwelling to the promise land is found to be a strip of landmass traversable only when the tides recedes, and only for a short time.
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Basically, the Bible may have some historical accuracies, but most of them are either exaggerated or have incorrect details.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
This is blatantly wrong. We have too much evidence that Christianity was NOT the first religion, and further evidence that humanity has been around longer than 10,000 years. A little research should teach you that much.
Upon the origins of religion, we have no idea what the first religion was, but we do have a very good idea what the earliest religions were. Would it be surprising that humanity considered woman to be more divine than man for having an ability to give birth? Is it hard to believe that the earliest tribes believed in more than one god (as I do, too)?
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Anyway, I’ve been curious to figure this out, but if humanity started with two white people (Adam and Eve), where does Asians and Africans come from (as with other nationalities)? I doubt thin eyes and dark skin came out of nowhere.
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Key words: “I Don`t understand”….
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To begin: “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time,” wow where did you grow up, it certainly wasn’t earth. Even if you follow Christianity to its roots in Judaisms and its possible Islam, you will not get back to the beginning of time…. unless of course you are one of those that argues that earth was created in 7 days, and even then men wasn’t day one… thus no, Christianity does not exist since the beginning.
Further, who says we hate god? Just b/c we don’t believe in god, but rather life for the sake of living rather then to guarantee a good afterlife, Pastaferians are a rather peaceful bunch. We have no signs of crusades, religious warfare or child abusing priests.
Lastly all types of cultures have pasta! They don’t all have burning bushes, doesn’t that mean something!?
~Ramen
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How can we hate somthing that doesn’t exist? And by the way, Christianity was not around till about 40 CE.
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I canot hate something that I do not believe in and yes it contains many historical errors and it contains many many contradictions
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Well, where to start?
I don’t believe your god exists because there is no evidence he does, or at least none that I don’t find to be fabricated. Why do you believe he exists? Where is your proof, other than a book you have read? As I don’t believe in your god, I don’t hate him/her/it. Hating something that I believe doesn’t exist would be a mentally unstable thing to do.
The bible is filled with historical errors. It is a fact. I suggest you check up on it. As an example, the bible cannot even agree with itself on the nativity, so why should we agree with it? As a work of fiction I really recommend that people do read the bible, it has everything someone interested in the darker side of humanity could possibly want to read about – genocide, betrayal, human sacrifice, rape, all in the name of your god.
Oh, and I think you’ll find that other, older, religions would deny that Christianity is the first religion.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Hating something you don’t believe exists is quite the stretch COG, really quite immature projection on your part, just because you have feeling towards something you perceive existing, to be, doesn’t mean those that don’t believe in your conception automatically “hate” him/her/it, they simply don’t believe at all (the feeling part is negated from the decision to believe/not believe its simply apathetic COG), I know its a foreign concept for you but try to rap your head around it.
“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors.”
It is, even evangelical biblical scholars agree on this, do more studying, your ignorance is very apparent.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Christianity. ”
“The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
Actually archeology, sociology, and anthropology would tell us that it goes animism-> more so anthropomorphized animism-> (eventually the figures just become people)Polytheism-> Usually splits into two channels of development, usually->
1. Henotheism -> Monotheism
2. Heterodoxical mixture of spiritualesque philosophy (i.e. Janism->Bhuddhism)-> to actually the first materialist school Carvaka (which died out not to come back for awhile).
But uhh… don’t let facts stand in the way of your own world view COG, you can always just stick to recreating your own version of reality every time the revealed truth of the world comes your way.
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Translation: “I need a sound education.”
Question: How can I hate something that doesn’t exist? (Or in your case, “[I] don’t believe he exists.”
The buybull is very historically inaccurate. However, the Iliad is dead on. Is this proof in the existence of Zeus, especially since there is a Mount Olympus in Greece, but no visible “heaven.”
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Oh and I forgot, my his noodlyness be with!
Ramen
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Recognition that one does not understand is the first step toward wisdom.
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that is untrue… back before christianity the people believed in, in chronological order: Spirits, Ghosts, then many Gods for about 3000 years, THEN Judaism was born and mono-theistic religion was born which wasn’t even that popular. So people did not always believe that God was watching them.
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Behold a miracle! He has moved His noodly appendage and converted nonsense into the Truth!
“I don’t understand why you all hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Gospel is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Pastafarianism has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Pastafarianism. The belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COFSM”
Hallelula, truely He is great! RAmen!
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i sux dix 4 crack munnies
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I don’t hate God, sweetie. I love God. Especially with a nice rich meat sauce and a little red wine.
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Albert Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I’d like to take that one step further to say that insanity is asking the same question over and over again and expecting different answers. We DO believe that god exists, but our god is not the same as yours. We don’t believe in the Xtian bible, so making arguments based on what it says is futile. I am happy to see that you are actually reading some of the posts on this site, unlike many of our hate-mailers, but please support your arguments with scientific facts next time.
Thanks for writing, RAmen!
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Christianity is an organized religion. Simple belief in God – one or many – is merely deism. It is impossible to have Christianity without calling it such.
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Recognizing that one doesn’t understand is the first step toward wisdom.
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COG, I believe you are asking the wrong question. I don’t think those responsible for this webpage “hate” God. What I believe they hate is the retreat from reason and empirical accuracy that science is premised on in favor of religious faith. The trouble with not just religion, but any strongly held conviction is that it tends to make us forget that as humans we are fallible. Any scientist worth his weight will tell you that he or she is not necessarily interested in the truth, but rather in repeatable and observable phenomena, which is as close to the truth as us pathetic little human beings can get. Strictly speaking, we can never know anything, but we can make educated guesses based on observations and data and that is what the natural and social sciences try to do.
COG, the Christians may be right or maybe the Muslims or maybe the Greeks had it right but all of those forms of belief premised ONLY on speculation and whatever supportive data that exists is cherry picked and it is because of this that Christianity or Islam can rationally be granted the same probability of accuracy as the existence of unicorns or elves … or flying spaghetti monsters. I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic, it is the only rational stance that one can take. I believe in freedom of religion, but Ideas have consequences and I fear the idea of creationism masquerading as ID sneaking into American classrooms.
People often say that money is the root of all evil … but it is not, greed is and money is simply a means to that end.
Religion is not the root of all evil either .. But it (like political ideology) is what facilitates strong convictions without evidence.
That is what they hate. Not God, but a lack or rationality. Faith (in the religious sense) is not a virtue.
(sorry to offend)
I will finish with a quote:
“There is a frozen sea within us. Philosophy is an axe. Everything you believe is questionable. How deeply have you questioned it? The uncritical acceptance of beliefs handed down by parents, teachers, politicians, and religious leaders is dangerous. Many of these beliefs are simply false. Some of them are lies to control you. Even when what has been handed down is true, it is not your truth. To merely accept anything without questioning it is to be somebody else’s puppet, a second-hand person. Beliefs can be handed down. Knowledge can be handed down. Wisdom can never be handed down. The goal of philosophy is wisdom. Trying to hand down philosophy is unphilosophical. Wisdom requires questioning what is questionable. Since everything is questionable, wisdom requires questioning everything. That is what philosophy is: the art of questioning everything.”—Daniel Kolak and Raymond Martin
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I don’t understand why you hate Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why don’t you believe He exists? Actually, it is very historically accurate. Pastafarism has been around since the beginning of time – it just didn’t have the name Pastafarism. The belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the very first religion, until Pirates have all but disappeared.
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For the last time, we don’t hate God or think He doesn’t exist. We simply call Him Flying Spaghetti Monster. Do you think Muslims hate God and believe He doesn’t exist because they call Him by a different name? I am sorry that you are so closed minded you cannot accept any religious views other than your own. It’s sad really, I will ask the FSM to forgive your foolish ways. RAmen.
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First of all, I do believe God exists. And how he is tasty!! Second, on the day that the bible is found to be historically accurate, I will eat my pirate hat. Third, Christianity has been around for only 2000 years. Not 13 billion. Fourth, yes, the belief in god was the first religion, (not nessicarilly the right one) Until man sinned?!?!? Does that mean the belief in god is no longer the first religion? Be more specific.
RAmen,
Bobert
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I don’t understand why we have to go through this EVERY time! OK here goes… it is very difficult to hate something you do not believe exists. Yes, there are several historical inaccuracies in the bible as well as stories that defy the laws of physics and biology. You would know this if the Christian right had not hijacked public education and filled your mind with nonsense. I apologize for my generation’s lack of fervor in combating this and truly hope that you attempt to self-educate yourself so that you don’t walk around sounding like a complete ignoramus. Pastafarians are not suggesting that you change your spiritual beliefs, merely keep them in churches where they belong and where attendance is optional.
Ramen!
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We LOVE god in all his noodly goodness!
RAmen
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Christianity has been around since the beginning of time
INCORRECT. If you read the old testimant, you’ll discover that the original religions were pagans, and it wasn’t until abraham heard a voice in his head that the begging of israel started. Christianity became an official relgion in about 400 ce
The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
The belief in gods, such as ur?
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So what you’re saying is:
1 “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Humans haven’t existed before the earth. And it started with agnostics before people had made their minds up.
2 “The belief in God was the very first religion”
Ah, here we are. You mean the beginning of religion not time. So lets replace that in 1.
1 ‘Christianity has been around since the very first religion.’
3 “It just didn’t have the name Christianity”
So you mean it was a religion? Let’s replace that in 1.
1 ‘Religion has been around since the very first religion.’
Yeeees. It sure has.
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Hi COG!
We don´t believe in (your) God in the same way that you don’t believe in Zeus, Brama, Shiva or Osiris.
And yes, the Bible is filled with historical and scientific of errors.
Here you have a list of 313 errors found in the bible, choose your favorite:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
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its not that we hate him. Just I grew out of having imaginary friends as most pastafarians have.
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*Ahem*
I think you mean belief in GODDESS was the first religion. A pregnant mother was considered magical and so was the first deity. Monotheistic belief in a male god didn’t occur until the beginning of Judaism. Before that we have Hinduism, Witchcraft, Paganism, National beliefs (like Roman, Norse and Greek deities) Lots of these polytheistic religions died out because of Christianity.
Pour exemple:
Nobody knows the birth date of Jesus. ‘Twas placed on the 25th of December to overcome the festival of Yule, the birth of the Sun God, on the 21st. In Germany, Xmas is the 5th. No one knows, but Christians didn’t want Polytheism and Paganism around. Nice.
Blessed be. RAmen.
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And Pastafarians do believe in God. He’s just made of spaghetti, meatballs and sauce.
Yum.
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Wait…..Wait….
You’re using a book and a situation from the bible, claimed to be historically inaccurate, to prove it’s accuratecy?
No part of the bible is more true or more false than any other part.
The bible isn’t even the first “recorded” start of humanity.
I’m pretty sure aztecs, egyptians, and most of (if not all) the other religions that are thousands of years old religions weren’t monothesists.
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We love God. Just not yours. May you be touched by his noodly appendage.
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We don’t hate god. We love our god just as much as anyone else.
Also, while we freely admit that the bible is very historically accurate on many issues. It also has some historical inaccuracies, but whether or not it was made by god (we can’t proove it wasn’t, even though we don’t think it was); it has been in the hands of mortal man for thousands of years, so nobody can say its perfect just for that reason.
Yes, belief in God was the very first religion, but you’re saying that the first person believed in your god. We’re are simlpy saying that the first person believed in our god instead, so we both are doing the same thing. And neither of us knew which god the first person believed in because neither of us knew the first person, although both of us have evidence in books that it was our god.
Oh, and we are also saying that our religion has been around since the beginning of time too, and that it simlpy wasn’t called the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster (modern English didn’t come around until about 500 years ago and noboby knows what spaghetti was called in the first language ever spoken)
I hope this helped you understand what’s going on, leave a comment to let me know.
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COG,
You statement shows either you are ignorant or just stupid. “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”. That can’t be. If you believe in Jesus, Jesus wasn’t born since the beginning of time so from that rational your argument is flawed. Also, you have asked this before in other mail you have sent us and again if you learn to comprehend, no one said we hate GOD.
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Christianity before Jesus was called Judaism. Jesus was Jewish and believe in those teachings. “the belief in God was the first religion” do you know how stupid that sounds? There were many religions before Christianity that were polytheistic and monotheistic. So again, you are just showing your ignorance on the subject. Graduate high school, go to college and take a religions of the world class. You will learn a little and broaden your horizons.
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When you say this “Actually, it is very historically accurate.” Prove it and not with stuff that happened before it was written. The bible has many post predictions which don’t count. Saying it is accurate doesn’t make it accurate. Like I said show us specifics. It has many errors. People living hundreds of years? Come on, get real. Earth is the center of the universe? Yeah, that is accurate
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So COG I am happy you didn’t swear but you need to educate yourself on the topic before you send emails about something you have no clue about it.
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It is hard to hate something that does not exist !!! You say christianity has been around since the beginning of time. That seems kind of a strange thing to say. You believe in talking snakes and talking donkeys yet you think a god made of spaghetti and meat balls is strange. Maybe you should read that book again.
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I don’t hat egod, just his fan clubs.
It’s very easy to be historically accurate when you write about events 400 years after they happened… if they happened… there is still some speculation about that amongst people with the ability to reason.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? ”
More importantly – how do you do both of these things at the same time?
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And the evidence that allows you to make this claim is…..where? The Bible doesn’t work as evidence, because doing so is circular reasoning. Sumer, the earliest known civilization in the world had polytheistic beliefs. That seems to contradict your claim that belief in the Abrahamic god was the first religion to appear. By the way, just because we don’t believe something exists doesn’t mean we hate it. Think about that.
May you be touched by His noodly appendage,
Spartan
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You can’t hate what you don’t believe in.
I’m not even going to bother with the historical accuracy of the bible. Do some research.
Also, prove that the belief in God was the first religion. I’m pretty sure animism wins. Besides, you couldn’t have Chrisitianity before Christ.
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Fail.
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No, Judaism was the first major religion. And the bible is historically accurate? HOLY SHIT you are such a sheep! So, you think that one man (Noah) could build a giant arc, and get all MILLIONS of species of animals (that don’t mind water) survive for forty days on the supplies he brought on the arc, and then distribute them all accordingly around the world?? Then I guess you also think that the world was created in 6 days, is only 6000 years old, and is flat?? You also believe in talking snakes and magical trees, and that killing people who work on Saturdays and selling your daughter as a slave is okay, right?
AND we don’t believe god exists because we aren’t a PART of your religion, it is OKAY to not believe in god. And just because we don’t believe in him does NOT mean we hate him. And Christianity existed in the beginning of time? What when humans didn’t exist? Ooooh that’s right the Earth is only 6000 fucking years old!!!
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It’s just irrational that an omniscient and omnipotent being would be capable of creating flawed followers. If the creations are flawed, then the creator wouldn’t be all capable and all knowing. A flawed creator goes against the definition of god.
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Now that just doesnt make sense, how can we hate somebody that doesn’t exist. Plus the bible is historically inaccurate and incomplete, the first catholic church chose to leave books out of the new testament (these books are known as the apocrypha) so I wonder what they were trying to hide, oh well. And I dont think that the first microbes had religion, they were more concerned with eating, reproducing, and evolving to worry about where they came from. It wasnt until we evolved into Homo Sapiens about 40,000 years ago that religion came about. Ramen!
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Please, if you must be ignorant, do so on your own.
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Hating something that doesn’t exist is just silly.
Loving something that doesn’t exist is worse.
Fearing something that doesn’t exist is childish.
Trying to press your delusion onto others is contemptible.
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We’ve already had this debate. You were proven wrong.
I believe that if you read the pastafarian texts, you will realize that you’re wrong…ok, I don’t believe you’ll realize you’re wrong, but I do know you’ll be wrong anyways, and you won’t have a single legible idea to say otherwise unless you do read up on the subject.
Have a nice day, and I have faith that your fakts without evidence will strike a few flames in response to what you’ve said.
You’re flame-worthy, but I doubt you’ll even be back to read up on what you wrote.
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its not about hate its about reality and myth, yes there are historical accuracies and plenty of myth, for instance the burning bush moses encountered and the vision, there is a bush in the middle east that has kerosene on its leaves and the jews fleeing could have caused a rock to fall that created a spark and set the bush on fire also after walking 40 days and starving you might get visions too.
its not the bible its that people use a 2000 year old text filled with desert prejudice to run their lives, and that it has been used to create and perpetuate so much war and suffering, what is it that christians don’t understand about ‘thou shalt not kill’
i was a devout christian before and then i grew up and started to think for myself and use simple common sense to wake up!
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