I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COG
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since the start of time… where there was just a midget… he knew not of fsm
I just have to comment on all the negative comments made by people who do not have the mental capacity to absorb the FSM’s theories…(they don’t even get the gist)…those people are the dangerous one’s in today’s kool-aide society.
Number of people murdered over FSM’s views = 0
Number of people murdered over present religion’s views = 850 Million (estimated in the history of man)
How do I join?….Is it OK to go door to door to promote FSM?…can I have an all-knowing dumb smile when I speak to people about FSM?
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Because 3 things:
1) He sucks
2) He (or It) doesn’t exists…
3) but it still sucks a lot!
Christianity is not the first religion. It comes from Judaism, which is also not the first religion. Chinese mythology began waaaaaaaay earlier than Christianity. It began sometime around 12 century B.C., while Christianity began around in the first century (A.D. 1 to A.D. 100, sometime then). So as you can see, Chinese mythology predates Christianity by about 1,200 years.
And how can you say that the Bible is accurate? You get passages about how God is fearsome and angry, and another one about how he is peaceful. Then, there are passages saying that the world shall never end, and others proclaiming how it shall be destroyed.
I admire anyone who could make it through that entire posting. Seriously, I gave up in paragraph 3.
Did you know
that god has destroyed people and babies out of anger for sinning.
God created satan, he gave him powers,
i have experence demons, the beast, and the devil. ifound out that the devil does exist the hard way. i found out i have been wantign asking god to come and take the devil and all of satans creation in my life for a long time. God created insanity, their are peopl who insane. why god created them, god doesn’t know anything about being human. this is my life mother fucker. i dont want satan in my life.
the biggest thing about why god doesn’t care. Why did god not take away satan and the devils powers? god did not think about our safty when he casted out that big beast that is satan and the devil it still has all of its powers. did you know that people have commited sucide just to escape demons. GOD LET SATAN CREATE ALL THESE THINGS THAT CAN HARM PEOPLE AND END LIVES, THAT CAN TEMPT US AND MAKE US TO VERY BAD THINGS. GOD GAVE THIS THING THE POWER TO CREATE BAD THINGS. WHY WOULD GOD DO THAT.
god puts road blocks in peoples lives just to teach us a lesson.
god acts like baby.
that god thinks that he knows what its like being a human being.
that god doesn’t give us the chance before we are born to decide what we want in life.
god doesn’t care what we do.
god does exist.
@ Justin
Wow - you sound very unhappy about this whole “god” idea. Here is some of what you said about god:
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“god puts road blocks in peoples lives just to teach us a lesson.
god acts like baby.
that god thinks that he knows what its like being a human being.
that god doesn’t give us the chance before we are born to decide what we want in life.
god doesn’t care what we do.”
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It does not sound like your belief in god is improving your life at all. You have other options, you know. Lots of us here have changed our minds, either by changing to a new religion that we like better, or dumping religion altogether. And no god ever struck any of us with lighting for doing that!
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So try seeking out something else. It won’t hurt you. Learn about some other faiths. See if some other religion just makes more sense about why there is evil in the world. Or you might consider the idea that bad things are just stuff that happens when an agressive species competes for limited resources in an unpredictable environment, and that god and satan have nothing to do with it. You could even try Pastafarianism on a 30-day free trial! If you are not satisfied, your god will probably take you back. Although, from what you said, I’m not sure that that would be a good idea for you.
RAmen
I don’t hate god- I love the FSM! (he’s very tasty) I just find it a bit silly to completely believe a STORY that was passed along by word of mouth for several hundred years before it was finally written down, then translated and retranslated, copied over and over (no copy machines or computers back then!) and accepted as absolute truth. I’m sure that no errors occurred during the time the story was being passed along and everything is JUST as it was initially.
Actually the concept of God was created to control peoples way of thinking.
Christiannity has been around since the Council of Christiannity was formed to vote on whether or not Jesus was around.
God does not exist the FSM exists! long live the FSM and to hell all those who think otherwise!
Hi COG
There is just as much proof for the existence of any god as there is for the existence of the FSM. That is the whole point any argument against the existence of the FSM can equally be turned against christian, jewish or moslim faiths.
We humans have a very important survival trait, we believe what our parents tell us at a young age and make what we have been told central to our beings. Thus we learn that tigers will eat you, fire will burn you, water will drown you, roads are dangerous and hundreds of other important things without ever having to test them. Fabulous.
Unfortunately this trait is abused and we have in our societies racists, sexists, religious fundamentalists and people who are scared to walk on the cracks in pavements.
You have faith that a candle will burn your finger. You can easily test your faith and have it proved.
You have faith that if you meet a hungry tiger it will eat you. This one is also easily proved however the proof is fatal.
Your faith in which ever god you chose to follow likely comes from exactly the same nurturing influences. Your belief is as strong as your belief that you will die if you jump off a tall building but you have no proof, nothing, not a shred of evidence. Generation after generation have been passing on the delusion of religion and in so doing giving control of their societies to religious leaders.
The results: the crusades, the holocaust, the 11th of Sept 2001, rich TV evangelists, suicide bombers and now the attack on inquiring science by the intelligent design movement.
Please wake up and challenge your own beliefs and above all have fun doing it.
Mac
“Sapientia genetrix timoris est”
Well, to respond I would like to remind you that FSM has also existed for an extremely long period of time, it was just never a public thing until recently. And we dont hate god at all, we think hes great. So is Mickey Mouse, Superman, and the Tooth Fairy.
i don’t hate god…i just don’t know him.
isn’t he an imaginary friend?
“You have faith that a candle will burn your finger. You can easily test your faith and have it proved.
You have faith that if you meet a hungry tiger it will eat you. This one is also easily proved however the proof is fatal.”
that’s not faith. Faith only exists where there is no evidence to prove it. IF there’s evidence, one doesn’t need “faith”.
i am an (east) indian.i want to take the message of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to the untold millions of india. however, there is one small problem: these millions have never seen or tasted spaghetti in their lives. so, can someone send me a thousand tons of spaghetti?
again, the fact that the Original Cause, Its Noodliness, is described as a spaghetti shows that sometime in future, the HQ of FSM may shift to Rome. calling a universal product by a european name will confine FSM’s greatness to a narrow euro-centric view. i call forth all the devotees to find the names of the FSM in every language extent!
@justin
My analysis—
Your comment lacks:
1) evidence for any of your assertions
2) any sign of a continuous train of thought
3) any sense of logic
4) complete sentences
5) accurate spelling
6) a concept that makes any sense at all
My conclusion—
You are a moron.
Primitive beings tried to explain natural phenomena that they found frightening…..thus began the concepts of supernatural beings. We would have long ago discarded such irrational ideas, but for the cultural and familial influences that demanded we follow the traditions, oftentimes with torture and even death if we strayed!! Just imagine where humans would be at this stage in history had intellectuals and scientists not been so horribly abused and murdered by the church in such vast numbers!!
By the time I was 21 I could no longer cling to such nonsense as an afterlife and a sky-god who was as fallible as the crazed one described in the bible……A book that never condemned a wrong as insidious and evil as SLAVERY!!! Give me a break!
Hi Betty
Thanks for the reply its good to know people actually read these posts rather than just posting flames.
I have never put my hand in a running blender, I don’t know anyone who has and I don’t think I have ever heard of anyone who has. I have faith / I believe that putting my hand in a running blender would be a bad thing. Please substitute the word belief for faith in my previous post, it means the same thing to me.
I have made chicken soup using a blender logical thinking leads me to the theory that my hand would undergo the same process in the blender as the chicken bits. This theory seems sound to me and I presently have no plans to prove it. I am however willing to entertain arguments & accept new evidence on the subject.
I presently believe that there is no god in the same way that I believe that hands and blenders do not go well together, that means that I will happily accept any deity whose existence can be proved.
The fact that many people believe in something does not make it so. That puts gods in the same box as big foot, UFOs, the tooth fairy & the easter bunny.
Books written by believers no matter how old they are are simply documents of what people believe they are not proof.
Give me one conclusive piece of evidence & I will happily change my theory/belief/faith.
“Sapientia genetrix timoris est” Mac.
Christianity started at the beginning of time? Well, I don’t know. I wasn’t there (if there even was a beginning). And, most likely, neither were you. Besides which, it couldn’t be older than that Jesus guy. Does that mean that time began a little over 2000 years ago? Other than that, if you have enough free time to read all of this crap, you should really get a life. I hear that volunteer and charity work can be quite fulfilling.
I’m afraid your facts are a little off.
To start simply, and then work your way back, I believe I should suggest you look up the background behind Judaism. When Jesus Christ was born, some believed him to be the son of God, and others did not. Those who did not were the Jewish, those who believed it became the Catholics. The Catholics later diverged into other groups, Luthernism, Antibaptism, and many more — the protestants. Because of this diverging tree, “Christianity” is now a loose term including all of the aforementioned groups aside from the jews. Basically all religions that believe in Jesus Christ. In modern days the word has been mistaken as a term purely for the protestants, which it is not.
So as you can see from that miniature history lesson, the branches and intricaces of “Christianity” and what was created first is not so clear cut as you suggest.
A major goal of the Catholic Church (The first true “christian” religion) was often to convert other religions. If Christianity is so common and the first created, I fail to see why the Catholics would have to enter the primitive countries on their missions to convert. Modern scientific evidence has found that the human race most likely began in Africa. Africans didn’t even know about Jesus Christ, and therefore Christianity, until the Spanish Inquisition and other such of the like. Neither did they know about Judaism until the incidents of Moses in Egypt. Why? Because these religions were not yet created. Judaism is based on the principle of Moses as the first prophet, Christianity is based on the principle of Jesus Christ as the second. People couldn’t foresee that someone would be born in exactly that year in that exact place, to become a great prophet, giving oh such orders from God. It doesn’t work that way. For a religion to be founded, the historical events around it and the specific geography must be found. It is impossibe for that religion to start simultaniously everywhere.
To suggest simularity between christianity and all other religions is ludacris. Christianity’s teachings are very different from that of the Hindus for example. Or the Greeks. Greek myth is extremely differential in story than Christian myth. A perfect example might be the Druids, who originally thought there was a female god who had several different faces — the crone, the goddess, and one other that escapes my memory, hah. Probably something relating to war. In any case, when the Christian religion was being spread to Druidic land, the missionaries often focused on the concept of trinity and these three faces to convince the druids. One of the first parts of the converting process was to spread more sexist idealogy in the community, changing the druidic Goddess to a God, from a mother to a father, to put it lightly. This created a further parallel to Christianity. Another tactic Christians often used was the creation or movement of holidays to simular times that other groups had them, to ease that group into the culture of Christianity. Halloween, a traditionally Christian holiday, was actually created to mimick a Druidic holiday celebrating the harvest in November. The holiday was christianized and moved to a time that the Druids were more used to, and several druidic traditions were incorporated. Such behavior can also be seen with Christmas in December. We all know that December 25th is not the day Jesus was born. However, the holiday is celebrated on that date in another tool used for christinization.
Not to say that all converting curtesy of the Christians was done in such passive techniques! The term “St. Patrick drove all the snakes out of Ireland” refers to the brutal slaughter of many celtic tribes that the catholic St. Patrick conquered and/or converted in his paths through Ireland. Quite a lovely ditch of information also exists regaurding the Spanish Inquistion.
The point of that whole bit, in any case, was to show you that perhaps many of the parallels you are seeing between Christianity and other religions is not quite how you think it is. Christian doctrine and folklore was changed frequently in the converting process to allow for a better “matchup” with adverseries. It was actually a remarkable tactic, politically. Successfully converting a country to a religion that your own people share is brilliant. It creates a common thread in the people, and lowers the chances of revolt and discontent in the conquered territory.
Lastly, I’d like to address your statement that the bible is historically correct. I’m not nearly enough of a history buff to explain this one quite so well but I would like to point out that the Bible has many scientific, aristotlean errors in its pages. That fact in itself makes me mistrust the words and stories it writes down as history. The bible contained multiple references and support of geocentrisism, the idea that the earth is at the center of the universe while all other stars, planets, the moon, and the sun float in orbit around it, as heaven floats high above. Calendars were very confused and made very little sense under this theory. As every young student knows, geocentrisism is a false belief. Heliocentrisism, first hypothesized by Copernicus, is a far more accurate theory. The sun is the center of gravity in our universe, pulling all other particles in orbit around it. Copernicus published this theory on his deathbed. Later, when Galileo proved and published this theory, he was punished for heresy.
With so many other comments, I’m sure my arguments have already been stated and further explained, so i think i’ll end here.
1: God does exist. We can’t prove this, but we can’t disprove it either, so for the sake of argument, let’s just assume he does.
2: God, according to his scriptures, answers all prayers that are directed to him in his name. However, these prayers are not granted any more often than would be expected if events were occurring by chance. When humans act for themselves, on the other hand, the odds of things coming out in their favors increases dramatically. Therefore, God is not only not all-powerful, he isn’t even as powerful as you.
3: According to his actions in the Bible (during which he apparently still had powers), God is morally inferior to almost everybody alive today, since ALMOST everyone alive today is not guilty of dozens of acts of genocide.
Congratulations, poster! The odds are overwhelmingly good that you are physically and morally superior to God.