I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COG
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
we don’t hate god. We DO love the noodley one. this is merely a difference of opinion. I find it hilarious that you sit there on your computer and have nothing better to do than to trash a religion in its own church. this sickens me. You make all Christians look like sad, insensitive people. :(
-RAmen
Dear V,
Placing “God created life through” in front of the theory of evolution, doesn’t turn the theory of evolution into “Intelligent Design” and as a matter of fact, most Christians who practice their creed outside of the narrow intellectual borders of Fundamentalism, think Intelligent Designer is nothing more than a bunch of half assed pseudo nonsense that was conjured by some jerk off like Jerry Farwell in a two hour day dreaming session as means to dictate the Fundamentalist congregation from actually reading a book on biogenetics.
Now, you all clearly bought into the misconception that the central focus of Christianity is God, Sin, Heaven & Hell. So as a Christian, allow me to clarify to you that is a crock of shit. Christianity focuses on friends, family, and community. If you ever want to understand the beliefs of real Christians, then stop buying into the biblical literalism that is advocated by the Fundamentalists, then look at our doctrine through the use of biblical symbolism.
The parables, songs, poems, and metaphors that are utilized to deliver a pre-established set of moral doctrines, advice on healthy living, hygienic living, and uplifting message in our times of sorrow. The only reason it is packaged in parables, songs, poems, and metaphors is to make these doctrines easier to remember during a time when public education wasn’t available, while the ritual practices are a mean of honoring our ancestors and on occasion they are used to honor not a Christian God, Muslim God, Pagan God, but a Universal God and to be frank, it isn’t a requirement for a Christian to buy into the unquestioned belief that there is a God.
As a matter of fact, if I discovered that God doesn’t exist on Saturday, I would still be in Church on Sunday because I find the practice itself to be a comfort when I am struck by the grief that will linger with me for the rest of my life, due to past events I’d rather keep private and the practice itself gives me peace from the regrets that haunt my past. Also, it puts me in a position where I encounter others in the midst of present suffering and having suffered, I can help them through their time of need & when I say help, that doesn’t mean push a bunch of bible versus and religious doctrine, because I only speak on my personal beliefs when asked… when I say help, I am I listen to them, because 99% of the time, people in the midst of sorrow just need someone to listen to them and allow them to become the center of focus for one moment.
I don’t blame any of you for the resentment you have for the actions of Christian Fundamentalists that you’ve encountered in your past and as a matter of fact, I resent them much more than any of you will ever know, because everyday I am forced to differentiate myself beliefs from their propaganda. With that being said, it would be decent of you if you would take the time to get to know the individual before you cast judgment solely of the most general of catagories that their religious beliefs fall under.
The only Christians you should hate, are the Fundamentalist Christians, because they’re all a bunch of assholes. Just remember that a great number of Christians who don’t see the creed established by Pastafarianism as some blasphemous stab at religious belief and as a matter of fact, I am in complete agreement with the central focus of this substitute philosophy.
One of the most meaningful symbols of modern society as been built through the Flying Spaghetti Monster, in fact I can’t think of any other modern symbol which represents the inherent liberties we all are owed, but be careful how you choose to use it, because as I said before, it’s influence and meaning is syphoned with each trivial use and the greatest example of the end result from trivial campaigns is the current state of Christianity.
Oh, yeah. Newly found FSM Worshipper, Hell is an invention of Roman Catholicism that was added into the scriptures centuries after the first bible was published and this was done to enforced a perceived consequence of questioning both Church and State.
If there is a God, then from what the original scriptures state, God really doesn’t give a shit about what you do as long as it doesn’t hurt another person and you strive to make this planet a better place than what it was when you entered this planet.
Also, the concept of Sin as most know it, is a bunch of bullshit as well.
If you would like to know why, then send me a private message through the pm on the message board. I go by the same handle as I use in this comment thread.
Peace.
darkcitymedia said, in part:
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My answers appear in parenthesis (like this)
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“To Blackbird
(Did you mean me, BlackBard?)
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“Secondly, this website doesn’t bother me in the slightest, nor does “pastafarianism.” In fact, I support the argument that “intelligent design” shouldn’t be taught in schools, because there is no scientific evidence to justify adding it to public school curriculum. With that being said, people have started using “FSM” & pastafarianism to justify the most trite of acts such as demanding that they have the right to wear an authentic saber whenever they dress up like a pirate, which is absolutely absurd.”
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(Yes, I understand that Sikhs sometimes get a hard time when they wear their ceremonial daggers to school. And some young Muslim women are in trouble in French schools if they want to wear a head scarf. Religious intolerance is a drag.)
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“Third, with each meaningless use of “FSM” influence and validity is syphoned from the symbol itself, so when the time comes and that symbol is needed to speak out against an infringement of constitutional rights, it has been drained of the validity and meaning that it once had.”
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(I guess you could say the same for anything an idiot does in the name of his or her beliefs, e.g. hate mail postings on web sites.)
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“Fourth, Don’t assumptions as to who I consider and don’t consider quote, “my fellow believers” & you have absolutely no clue what I have or haven’t said to other Christians or the standards that I hold on them. In fact, you don’t know what my own religious beliefs entail. There are atleast 12 major demonimations of Christianity, thousands of branch sects, and independent demoninations such as Restorational Christianity or Esoteric Christianity which have their own set of beliefs, interpretation, and doctrines. So you for to make any kind of assumption as to my personal beliefs isn’t a shade of prejudice, it’s cleary prejudice.”
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(I never used the term “my fellow believers” and never implied any such thing. You must have me confused with someone else.)
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“fifth, just because you received, quote “hate mail” doesn’t justify you in perpetuating more hate, nor does it justify self-victimization, especially when there are real victims who’ve been part of real violence & oppression, because it trivializes those who are truly suffering.”
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(Didn’t I just get done saying that hate in return for insults is un-Pastafarian? Didn’t just urge restraint for all contributors to this dialog? Here are my actual words: “The FSM does not care if we believe in him or not. That attitude should guide us in our relations with Christians, too. There is no need for us to attack them. It is un-Pastafarian, in my view. Enough said.”)
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RAmen
Whoa! I go away for 8 or 9 months and find the hate mail section infested with total whacko christian trolls.
@darkcitymedia: Take your thorazine! Jeezus!
It looks like the fun has returned.
RAmen!
“Man created science and man created god. Science and Religion are both right and both wrong” But only science can be revised. “I think therefore I am” -Rene Descartes, according to that quote the only thing that man can be sure of is that he is thinking, and all else must be proved with thinking, logic, reason, experiment, because it is the only thing that people can be absolutely sure of. So the real paradox is what you chose to believe, not what is real or not. Although science is man made, it is based entirely on the natural world and what it has to offer. Religion cannot be proven right or wrong because it deals with the realm of the supernatural. So religion makes attempts to deal with the natural world, and at all turns it has been wrong. So under our perception of reality and fact as humans, religion cannot be fact. Religion only exists in our minds (or at least uneducated minds), science has physical evidence. Gravity is a law that governs planets to our very existence, and it can be proven. But both come from man, yes, it is just whether or not that man is correct or thinks on the basis of what is fact.
Well i cant answer why ppl hate god.. God created this earth so ppl can talk about how there are a bunch of religons before christianity. Ppl on earth are the ones who made the records. If you read the bible you will see that a lot of stuff on this earth is in that book and humans didnt write the bible..
Smarter, that observation is as anomalous as a jigsaw puzzle for preschool kids and far more narrow than 95% most Fundamental Christian.
Also, Newly, even by Fundamentalist standards, I man can’t be forgiven if he/she seeks forgiveness and acts as the example from then on out. While others are beyond forgiveness.
I agaree with your thingy up there.. God created us believe or dont believe thats your problem..
Science was created by humans so how can you say that science is right, when god created humans and humans created science??
I have found new faith in the FSM, who are you to deny me my beliefs you petty Christian?!
Um, can I respond to the statement, “Christianity has been here since the beginning of time”? I’m a Roman-Catholic, and although I’m not really into religion, even I know that Christianity was an off-jutty thing of the Jewish religion. Even if the Jewish people had been there since the beginning of time, it would take some time before Jesus would be born, because it was during the Roman Empire. And since Jesus started up Christianity, and he was like, thirty-something when he began preaching, Christianity wasn’t here since the beginning of time. Because, yeah. SO HAH.
Dude I just read that letter thing about how the Bible is truth and I’m just a tad confused by it. Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t Christianities roots linked completely with Judaism. I mean the early followers of Christ in no way considered themselves a separate religion, but rather an off-shooting sect of their own. Also I was unaware that the begging of time was around 33 A.D.
We don’t all hate God and Christians. I was just brought up by Christians, that’s all, and I had better sense than to believe in that rubbish.
The Bible is just a book. Get over that.
Just because it is a very old book doesn’t make it a recorder of the facts, you have to believe that. And that “truth” and “fact” are both philosophically and technically not the same thing.
Besides, think it over. Think hard, I know it pains you. All theorem etc have the same possibility in an ideal world. However, in this world, it has become apparent that the chance of your God is the same chance as the FSM, a celestial teapot, Allah, Zeus, the scientological theorem, Yahewh/Jehovah, Krishna, the Golden Calf, or Isis and Osiris.
Your religion is still outdated, remember that. One day, the return of Jesus will be viewed with as much scorn and dismissal as the birth of Venus from the God Cronus’s sliced-off genitalia.
If you think that God’s that great, as well as benevolent etc, read the Old Testament. Pay attention to all the gory, chauvinistic, malevolent, selfish, proud and egotistical, misogynistic, schadenfreudal details. Note them, if you like, and then read the list.
Most Christians nowadays tend to ignore the Old Testament, but in the New, Jesus said to not ignore (etc) the word of God in any way/shape/form, INCLUDING THE OLD TESTAMENT. So where is your loving, benevolent, milksop God now??
Read Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion. Please.
No, I’m not an atheist. I’m not religious, either. It’s called an “agnostic-atheist” that has been to church for years, exposed to all that ridiculous rot, AND read the Bible. Multiple times.
@Fizzmick Pa Chee: I’m flattered, but you’re definitely not my type.
“How could you read Blackbirds’ reply to Darkcitymedia and congratulate darkcitymedia? Your response shows an utter disdain for facts and reason.” How so? I wasn’t referring to Blackbird’s post as crap, although I definitely disagree with most of it. I don’t think anyone’s arguing that religious people aren’t involved in conflicts…
“I think that those who on first approach to this site disagree with the organizations goals and have any honesty and an intellect measurably higher than an idiot would at least be wobbling in their previous stance after some reading here.” Please stop making assumptions about my opinions. I completely agree with the goal of this site, if it is still to keep ID from being taught in science classrooms. I just don’t like the fact that many people here are using that as an excuse to openly bash Christianity.
“Yet you go deeper into the dangerous zone of fraud by encouraging perpetuation of these false claims.”
Like what? The claim that Pastafarians are often as hateful as they perceive Christians to be toward them? Could you be more specific if what I said really bothers you that much?
We do believe in God…..by God I mean FSM.
RAmen
I dont hate God. The FSM created all things, which must include God as well as love. I love all things created by his holy noodliness. Your argument that ‘God’ (I assume you mean Christianity?) was the first religion however is LAME BEYOND BELIEF. Just ask a pagan.
Once again, all replies will be authored in chronological order.
James: What the hell are you talking about?! There is endless amounts of evidence of that Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians. Further more, you should show people the respect of not tying them into your own bigotry.
No one has “imposed” their religion on you, they may have approached you on the matter, but they certainly don’t put a gun to your head while doing so. Further more, genderizing a deity is proof positive inability to conjure a meaningful point.
You shouldn’t be so concerned with what other people can or can’t say, because the extreme bigotry you just express far exceeds the actions of 99% of Christian Fundamentalists. Do you know what the difference is between Klansman and yourself? You spew equal hatred, exhibit identical idiocy, and you do so behind the robe and hood of online anonymity. While the semantics of your beliefs do nothing to place you above any Fundamentalist in and way, shape, or form.
Shelby: Grow up! You’re demanding religious equality that you’ve already been given and in turn you’re employing the same antagonist tactics that you’re condemning Fundamentalists of using.
A real intellectual who is confident in their choices and belief, have no need to for such tactics because they know that their example has far more power and influence than a lifetime and sardonic remarks.
Anthony: 50% of Christians don’t base their scientific beliefs on biblical scripture. There are 12 major Christian Denominations, plus over 3000 branch sects of each denominations and they all maintain their own interpretation of religious scripture, so to categorize all Christians in a single column is as short minded as any part of the Fundamentalist Doctrine. Further more, for you to believe that religions sole focus is the metaphysical, then you’re just as foolish any misguided Christian who doesn’t possess an understanding of the history of theology.
There are just as many Christians who teach biblical symbolism, as Christians who teach biblical literalism and those to base their creed on biblical symbolism have just as much invested into scientific belief as our belief in our theological rituals.
The focus of Christianity is friends, family, and community. While our rituals are used to honor our ancestors and the role that their religious beliefs played in freeing them from the shackles of oppression. So it would do you good to learn to differentiate Christians by doctrine and take the time to get to know the individual, instead of making presumptuous judgments on their character. Until that time, you’re just as much a part of the problem as Christian extremists.
Lastly, I would like to express my gratitude to those who took the time to read this message and I invite anyone who is interested in learning the difference between denominational doctrines, to send me a pm or email me at darkcitymedia@yahoo.com I give my you my word, that all information will be provided through academic methods and at no time will I try convert anyone.
My reasons I make this offer is 1) I want to introduce you to the millions of Christians who loath the Fundamentalists far more than any person who maintains alternative beliefs. 2) To build an unified alliance that’s made up of people of all race, creed, and academic field. 3) Provide you with tactics and information you can utilize during a debate or argument of any kind with Fundamentalist Christians to kick their proverbial legs from under them, while preventing them from having their defense mechanisms triggered in which they shut themselves off from reason, prevent them from the use of their perverted rationale which is instilled by their congregational leaders instilled which states that anyone who contradicts their beliefs is a sad sinner and agent of Lucifer.
beer volcanoes rule.
i find it insanely funny how so many ‘christians’ have jumped on this bandwagon defending their interpretation of god. no one said ‘your’ god was bad, wrong…yet you have to defend anything anywhere that goes against the mindset some of you have.
it’s really scary.
darkcitymedia, your message to ‘V’ certainly caught my attention when you said, “to be frank, it isn’t a requirement for a Christian to buy into the unquestioned belief that there is a God.
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A close reading of your statement begs for a clarification. You used the phrase, “unquestioned belief that there is a God.” I recognize that people are always free to question their beliefs, but I always thought that one had to conclude that God does, in fact, exist in order to be a Christian. I understand that religious practice includes much more than “worship” and that the social aspects might be more important to some than others, but are you saying that there are Christians who are also agnostics or atheists?
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I would be interested to know more. I will take you up on your offer of further information. I’ll contact directly by email, as per your offer.
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RAmen
And that’s why I hate religion. Everyone always feels the need to justify their beliefs… It’s almost as if they know they’re wrong. ahhhhh - thats the good thing about being neutral; you can never be wrong (although you can also never be right).
@BlackBard (I think I got your name wrong at some point, sorry)
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Oh, how I love big words! *swoon* (As hard as it may be to believe, I was actually able to comprehend the message that I stated I agree with.)
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Beliefs cannot kill people. A “practice, a way seeing the world, the place of people and things in it and the relationship of one to the other” cannot kill people. Not to say that ideas aren’t important, but it takes people to act upon those ideas for them to have effects, positive or negative. Yes, Christians have done terrible things in the name of their religion. This is not the fault of Christianity itself (which is clearly a nonviolent religion), but the fault of human evil. The Crusades, for example - if Christianity and Islam had never existed, those people would probably still have been killing each other for some other reason.
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You said, “The practice of many Christians has been, and often still is, to regard any deviation from their view of the world and “set of mortal virtues” as being displeasing to God, subjecting deviants to eternal damnation if they do not change their ways. I consider this to be evil, in itself.” Although you may not like it, this is what a very large number of people believe that God has told them (through the Bible). To them, that is the truth. Period. It would be wrong for them to treat members of another religion as inferior, naturally, but if they simply believe that others are wrong, what harm does that do to anyone else? You believe that they are wrong. They believe that you are wrong. As long as everyone prevents those beliefs from allowing them to treat another person with disrespect, I don’t see a problem. And it’s not as if some Christian leader woke up one day and said, “I’m right and everybody else is wrong” - many Christians believe that Jesus taught that believing in Him is the only way to heaven. I don’t share this belief but I wouldn’t go so far as to call that “evil”, it’s just a different opinion.