I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COG
Isn’t that supposed to be “God”. I think you’d better get back in touch with the one true entity worth worshipping–FSM.
LIES!!! Christianity did NOT originate at the beginning of time…It originated less than 2008 years ago. Judaism was around since the “beginning” of time, biblically (old testament based) around 6000 years ago. And the FSM gospel does account for the discrepancy in the fossil record; Yahweh makes no assertion of the power to manipulate radiocarbon, acceerator mass spectometry, or any other dating techniques.
I think you need to re-read your ancient history books, dude. And we don’t hate god. How can you hate something that doesn’t exist?
i lol’d!
I’ll take this one step at a time.
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Making an assumption without bothering to do careful research. I think a significant number of us actually believes in God (I don’t, but as an Animist, I believe in souls and spirits). We’re merely united by one cause that to teach the Creation of earth–according to the Bible–as science is wrong.
Notice my wording: “creation of earth AS SCIENCE”. We have nothing against believing that the Universe was begun by an omnipotent force. We have A LOT against thinking that this count as science: exactly what is that force? Can we see it? Is it detectable? If there’s no way we can observe or detect this Creation force directly, then it doesn’t abide by the strict limits of science.
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To summarize: God is not scientific. This doesn’t mean we hate God, or that we don’t believe Him. It means he is not an observable force, and is strictly not in the realm of science.
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“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
Well, considering that the Bible is rather vague (and occasionally self-contradictory), you have to be careful at considering what is accurate and what isn’t. For example, the fruit that Adam and Eve ate could not have been an apple due to the warm climates of the garden of Eden. It’s also worth noting that any “magical” event in the Bible is wildly exaggerated. The part where Jesus walks on water is found that the accounted water body iced up at correct climates; that is, Jesus walked on ice. Even Moses’ water dwelling to the promise land is found to be a strip of landmass traversable only when the tides recedes, and only for a short time.
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Basically, the Bible may have some historical accuracies, but most of them are either exaggerated or have incorrect details.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity. The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
This is blatantly wrong. We have too much evidence that Christianity was NOT the first religion, and further evidence that humanity has been around longer than 10,000 years. A little research should teach you that much.
Upon the origins of religion, we have no idea what the first religion was, but we do have a very good idea what the earliest religions were. Would it be surprising that humanity considered woman to be more divine than man for having an ability to give birth? Is it hard to believe that the earliest tribes believed in more than one god (as I do, too)?
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Anyway, I’ve been curious to figure this out, but if humanity started with two white people (Adam and Eve), where does Asians and Africans come from (as with other nationalities)? I doubt thin eyes and dark skin came out of nowhere.
Key words: “I Don`t understand”….
To begin: “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time,” wow where did you grow up, it certainly wasn’t earth. Even if you follow Christianity to its roots in Judaisms and its possible Islam, you will not get back to the beginning of time…. unless of course you are one of those that argues that earth was created in 7 days, and even then men wasn’t day one… thus no, Christianity does not exist since the beginning.
Further, who says we hate god? Just b/c we don’t believe in god, but rather life for the sake of living rather then to guarantee a good afterlife, Pastaferians are a rather peaceful bunch. We have no signs of crusades, religious warfare or child abusing priests.
Lastly all types of cultures have pasta! They don’t all have burning bushes, doesn’t that mean something!?
~Ramen
How can we hate somthing that doesn’t exist? And by the way, Christianity was not around till about 40 CE.
I canot hate something that I do not believe in and yes it contains many historical errors and it contains many many contradictions
Well, where to start?
I don’t believe your god exists because there is no evidence he does, or at least none that I don’t find to be fabricated. Why do you believe he exists? Where is your proof, other than a book you have read? As I don’t believe in your god, I don’t hate him/her/it. Hating something that I believe doesn’t exist would be a mentally unstable thing to do.
The bible is filled with historical errors. It is a fact. I suggest you check up on it. As an example, the bible cannot even agree with itself on the nativity, so why should we agree with it? As a work of fiction I really recommend that people do read the bible, it has everything someone interested in the darker side of humanity could possibly want to read about - genocide, betrayal, human sacrifice, rape, all in the name of your god.
Oh, and I think you’ll find that other, older, religions would deny that Christianity is the first religion.
“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Hating something you don’t believe exists is quite the stretch COG, really quite immature projection on your part, just because you have feeling towards something you perceive existing, to be, doesn’t mean those that don’t believe in your conception automatically “hate” him/her/it, they simply don’t believe at all (the feeling part is negated from the decision to believe/not believe its simply apathetic COG), I know its a foreign concept for you but try to rap your head around it.
“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors.”
It is, even evangelical biblical scholars agree on this, do more studying, your ignorance is very apparent.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity. ”
“The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
Actually archeology, sociology, and anthropology would tell us that it goes animism-> more so anthropomorphized animism-> (eventually the figures just become people)Polytheism-> Usually splits into two channels of development, usually->
1. Henotheism -> Monotheism
2. Heterodoxical mixture of spiritualesque philosophy (i.e. Janism->Bhuddhism)-> to actually the first materialist school Carvaka (which died out not to come back for awhile).
But uhh… don’t let facts stand in the way of your own world view COG, you can always just stick to recreating your own version of reality every time the revealed truth of the world comes your way.
Translation: “I need a sound education.”
Question: How can I hate something that doesn’t exist? (Or in your case, “[I] don’t believe he exists.”
The buybull is very historically inaccurate. However, the Iliad is dead on. Is this proof in the existence of Zeus, especially since there is a Mount Olympus in Greece, but no visible “heaven.”
Oh and I forgot, my his noodlyness be with!
Ramen
Recognition that one does not understand is the first step toward wisdom.
that is untrue… back before christianity the people believed in, in chronological order: Spirits, Ghosts, then many Gods for about 3000 years, THEN Judaism was born and mono-theistic religion was born which wasn’t even that popular. So people did not always believe that God was watching them.
Behold a miracle! He has moved His noodly appendage and converted nonsense into the Truth!
“I don’t understand why you all hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why don’t you believe He exists? I read in an earlier message that the Gospel is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate. Pastafarianism has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Pastafarianism. The belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the very first religion, until man sinned.
-COFSM”
Hallelula, truely He is great! RAmen!
i sux dix 4 crack munnies
I don’t hate God, sweetie. I love God. Especially with a nice rich meat sauce and a little red wine.
Albert Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I’d like to take that one step further to say that insanity is asking the same question over and over again and expecting different answers. We DO believe that god exists, but our god is not the same as yours. We don’t believe in the Xtian bible, so making arguments based on what it says is futile. I am happy to see that you are actually reading some of the posts on this site, unlike many of our hate-mailers, but please support your arguments with scientific facts next time.
Thanks for writing, RAmen!
Christianity is an organized religion. Simple belief in God - one or many - is merely deism. It is impossible to have Christianity without calling it such.
Recognizing that one doesn’t understand is the first step toward wisdom.
COG, I believe you are asking the wrong question. I don’t think those responsible for this webpage “hate” God. What I believe they hate is the retreat from reason and empirical accuracy that science is premised on in favor of religious faith. The trouble with not just religion, but any strongly held conviction is that it tends to make us forget that as humans we are fallible. Any scientist worth his weight will tell you that he or she is not necessarily interested in the truth, but rather in repeatable and observable phenomena, which is as close to the truth as us pathetic little human beings can get. Strictly speaking, we can never know anything, but we can make educated guesses based on observations and data and that is what the natural and social sciences try to do.
COG, the Christians may be right or maybe the Muslims or maybe the Greeks had it right but all of those forms of belief premised ONLY on speculation and whatever supportive data that exists is cherry picked and it is because of this that Christianity or Islam can rationally be granted the same probability of accuracy as the existence of unicorns or elves … or flying spaghetti monsters. I am not an atheist, I am an agnostic, it is the only rational stance that one can take. I believe in freedom of religion, but Ideas have consequences and I fear the idea of creationism masquerading as ID sneaking into American classrooms.
People often say that money is the root of all evil … but it is not, greed is and money is simply a means to that end.
Religion is not the root of all evil either .. But it (like political ideology) is what facilitates strong convictions without evidence.
That is what they hate. Not God, but a lack or rationality. Faith (in the religious sense) is not a virtue.
(sorry to offend)
I will finish with a quote:
“There is a frozen sea within us. Philosophy is an axe. Everything you believe is questionable. How deeply have you questioned it? The uncritical acceptance of beliefs handed down by parents, teachers, politicians, and religious leaders is dangerous. Many of these beliefs are simply false. Some of them are lies to control you. Even when what has been handed down is true, it is not your truth. To merely accept anything without questioning it is to be somebody else’s puppet, a second-hand person. Beliefs can be handed down. Knowledge can be handed down. Wisdom can never be handed down. The goal of philosophy is wisdom. Trying to hand down philosophy is unphilosophical. Wisdom requires questioning what is questionable. Since everything is questionable, wisdom requires questioning everything. That is what philosophy is: the art of questioning everything.”—Daniel Kolak and Raymond Martin
I don’t understand why you hate Flying Spaghetti Monster. Why don’t you believe He exists? Actually, it is very historically accurate. Pastafarism has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Pastafarism. The belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the very first religion, until Pirates have all but disappeared.
For the last time, we don’t hate God or think He doesn’t exist. We simply call Him Flying Spaghetti Monster. Do you think Muslims hate God and believe He doesn’t exist because they call Him by a different name? I am sorry that you are so closed minded you cannot accept any religious views other than your own. It’s sad really, I will ask the FSM to forgive your foolish ways. RAmen.
First of all, I do believe God exists. And how he is tasty!! Second, on the day that the bible is found to be historically accurate, I will eat my pirate hat. Third, Christianity has been around for only 2000 years. Not 13 billion. Fourth, yes, the belief in god was the first religion, (not nessicarilly the right one) Until man sinned?!?!? Does that mean the belief in god is no longer the first religion? Be more specific.
RAmen,
Bobert
I don’t understand why we have to go through this EVERY time! OK here goes… it is very difficult to hate something you do not believe exists. Yes, there are several historical inaccuracies in the bible as well as stories that defy the laws of physics and biology. You would know this if the Christian right had not hijacked public education and filled your mind with nonsense. I apologize for my generation’s lack of fervor in combating this and truly hope that you attempt to self-educate yourself so that you don’t walk around sounding like a complete ignoramus. Pastafarians are not suggesting that you change your spiritual beliefs, merely keep them in churches where they belong and where attendance is optional.
Ramen!
We LOVE god in all his noodly goodness!
RAmen
Christianity has been around since the beginning of time
INCORRECT. If you read the old testimant, you’ll discover that the original religions were pagans, and it wasn’t until abraham heard a voice in his head that the begging of israel started. Christianity became an official relgion in about 400 ce
The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.
The belief in gods, such as ur?
So what you’re saying is:
1 “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Humans haven’t existed before the earth. And it started with agnostics before people had made their minds up.
2 “The belief in God was the very first religion”
Ah, here we are. You mean the beginning of religion not time. So lets replace that in 1.
1 ‘Christianity has been around since the very first religion.’
3 “It just didn’t have the name Christianity”
So you mean it was a religion? Let’s replace that in 1.
1 ‘Religion has been around since the very first religion.’
Yeeees. It sure has.
Hi COG!
We don´t believe in (your) God in the same way that you don’t believe in Zeus, Brama, Shiva or Osiris.
And yes, the Bible is filled with historical and scientific of errors.
Here you have a list of 313 errors found in the bible, choose your favorite:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
its not that we hate him. Just I grew out of having imaginary friends as most pastafarians have.
*Ahem*
I think you mean belief in GODDESS was the first religion. A pregnant mother was considered magical and so was the first deity. Monotheistic belief in a male god didn’t occur until the beginning of Judaism. Before that we have Hinduism, Witchcraft, Paganism, National beliefs (like Roman, Norse and Greek deities) Lots of these polytheistic religions died out because of Christianity.
Pour exemple:
Nobody knows the birth date of Jesus. ‘Twas placed on the 25th of December to overcome the festival of Yule, the birth of the Sun God, on the 21st. In Germany, Xmas is the 5th. No one knows, but Christians didn’t want Polytheism and Paganism around. Nice.
Blessed be. RAmen.
And Pastafarians do believe in God. He’s just made of spaghetti, meatballs and sauce.
Yum.
Wait…..Wait….
You’re using a book and a situation from the bible, claimed to be historically inaccurate, to prove it’s accuratecy?
No part of the bible is more true or more false than any other part.
The bible isn’t even the first “recorded” start of humanity.
I’m pretty sure aztecs, egyptians, and most of (if not all) the other religions that are thousands of years old religions weren’t monothesists.
We love God. Just not yours. May you be touched by his noodly appendage.
We don’t hate god. We love our god just as much as anyone else.
Also, while we freely admit that the bible is very historically accurate on many issues. It also has some historical inaccuracies, but whether or not it was made by god (we can’t proove it wasn’t, even though we don’t think it was); it has been in the hands of mortal man for thousands of years, so nobody can say its perfect just for that reason.
Yes, belief in God was the very first religion, but you’re saying that the first person believed in your god. We’re are simlpy saying that the first person believed in our god instead, so we both are doing the same thing. And neither of us knew which god the first person believed in because neither of us knew the first person, although both of us have evidence in books that it was our god.
Oh, and we are also saying that our religion has been around since the beginning of time too, and that it simlpy wasn’t called the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monster (modern English didn’t come around until about 500 years ago and noboby knows what spaghetti was called in the first language ever spoken)
I hope this helped you understand what’s going on, leave a comment to let me know.
COG,
You statement shows either you are ignorant or just stupid. “Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”. That can’t be. If you believe in Jesus, Jesus wasn’t born since the beginning of time so from that rational your argument is flawed. Also, you have asked this before in other mail you have sent us and again if you learn to comprehend, no one said we hate GOD.
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Christianity before Jesus was called Judaism. Jesus was Jewish and believe in those teachings. “the belief in God was the first religion” do you know how stupid that sounds? There were many religions before Christianity that were polytheistic and monotheistic. So again, you are just showing your ignorance on the subject. Graduate high school, go to college and take a religions of the world class. You will learn a little and broaden your horizons.
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When you say this “Actually, it is very historically accurate.” Prove it and not with stuff that happened before it was written. The bible has many post predictions which don’t count. Saying it is accurate doesn’t make it accurate. Like I said show us specifics. It has many errors. People living hundreds of years? Come on, get real. Earth is the center of the universe? Yeah, that is accurate
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So COG I am happy you didn’t swear but you need to educate yourself on the topic before you send emails about something you have no clue about it.
It is hard to hate something that does not exist !!! You say christianity has been around since the beginning of time. That seems kind of a strange thing to say. You believe in talking snakes and talking donkeys yet you think a god made of spaghetti and meat balls is strange. Maybe you should read that book again.
I don’t hat egod, just his fan clubs.
It’s very easy to be historically accurate when you write about events 400 years after they happened… if they happened… there is still some speculation about that amongst people with the ability to reason.
“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? ”
More importantly - how do you do both of these things at the same time?
And the evidence that allows you to make this claim is…..where? The Bible doesn’t work as evidence, because doing so is circular reasoning. Sumer, the earliest known civilization in the world had polytheistic beliefs. That seems to contradict your claim that belief in the Abrahamic god was the first religion to appear. By the way, just because we don’t believe something exists doesn’t mean we hate it. Think about that.
May you be touched by His noodly appendage,
Spartan
You can’t hate what you don’t believe in.
I’m not even going to bother with the historical accuracy of the bible. Do some research.
Also, prove that the belief in God was the first religion. I’m pretty sure animism wins. Besides, you couldn’t have Chrisitianity before Christ.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
Fail.
No, Judaism was the first major religion. And the bible is historically accurate? HOLY SHIT you are such a sheep! So, you think that one man (Noah) could build a giant arc, and get all MILLIONS of species of animals (that don’t mind water) survive for forty days on the supplies he brought on the arc, and then distribute them all accordingly around the world?? Then I guess you also think that the world was created in 6 days, is only 6000 years old, and is flat?? You also believe in talking snakes and magical trees, and that killing people who work on Saturdays and selling your daughter as a slave is okay, right?
AND we don’t believe god exists because we aren’t a PART of your religion, it is OKAY to not believe in god. And just because we don’t believe in him does NOT mean we hate him. And Christianity existed in the beginning of time? What when humans didn’t exist? Ooooh that’s right the Earth is only 6000 fucking years old!!!
It’s just irrational that an omniscient and omnipotent being would be capable of creating flawed followers. If the creations are flawed, then the creator wouldn’t be all capable and all knowing. A flawed creator goes against the definition of god.
Now that just doesnt make sense, how can we hate somebody that doesn’t exist. Plus the bible is historically inaccurate and incomplete, the first catholic church chose to leave books out of the new testament (these books are known as the apocrypha) so I wonder what they were trying to hide, oh well. And I dont think that the first microbes had religion, they were more concerned with eating, reproducing, and evolving to worry about where they came from. It wasnt until we evolved into Homo Sapiens about 40,000 years ago that religion came about. Ramen!
Please, if you must be ignorant, do so on your own.
Hating something that doesn’t exist is just silly.
Loving something that doesn’t exist is worse.
Fearing something that doesn’t exist is childish.
Trying to press your delusion onto others is contemptible.
We’ve already had this debate. You were proven wrong.
I believe that if you read the pastafarian texts, you will realize that you’re wrong…ok, I don’t believe you’ll realize you’re wrong, but I do know you’ll be wrong anyways, and you won’t have a single legible idea to say otherwise unless you do read up on the subject.
Have a nice day, and I have faith that your fakts without evidence will strike a few flames in response to what you’ve said.
You’re flame-worthy, but I doubt you’ll even be back to read up on what you wrote.
its not about hate its about reality and myth, yes there are historical accuracies and plenty of myth, for instance the burning bush moses encountered and the vision, there is a bush in the middle east that has kerosene on its leaves and the jews fleeing could have caused a rock to fall that created a spark and set the bush on fire also after walking 40 days and starving you might get visions too.
its not the bible its that people use a 2000 year old text filled with desert prejudice to run their lives, and that it has been used to create and perpetuate so much war and suffering, what is it that christians don’t understand about ‘thou shalt not kill’
i was a devout christian before and then i grew up and started to think for myself and use simple common sense to wake up!
We don’t hate God . We just don’t believe in It (yes , It) . Instead we believe in a much more concrete , proof laden belief of His Great Noodlelyness .
@WiccaTagiatelle Feb 24th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
“Nobody knows the birth date of Jesus. ‘Twas placed on the 25th of December to overcome the festival of Yule, the birth of the Sun God, on the 21st.”
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Yep…
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Mithras
http://onegoodmovemedia.org/movies/0612/MerryMithras.mov
Find a dictionary. You may discover that the words hate and belief have different meanings.
Christianity came from Judaism, N00B.
I believe that if God exists and allows all the suffering in the world to continue than God is on really bad drugs. Since I do have a fairly good idea of the size of the universe: really, really big!: I find it highly unlikely that God isn’t too busy to really pay attention to such an insignificant speck like the planet we live on. Face it COG, we’re on our own. Feel better now?
Now just calm down, crack open a beer and enjoy a good spaghetti dinner. You’ll feel much better after. Really. I wouldn’t lie to you. Not like your church.
“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists? ”
More importantly - how do you do both of these things at the same time?
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LMFAO!!! Nice one.
COG, I cannot believe you state that Christianity was the first belief. That wasn’t Christianity; That was just a monotheïstic religion. Back then the bible wasn’t there and no one ever heard of Christ (who is the reason why it’s called Christianity)
And yes, the bible IS filled with historical errors. Such as there being miracles. Miracles have never been. There you go, historical error.
Speaking for myself: I don’t believe in god (God) so how can I hate it/him/her?
@mig: “And yes, the Bible is filled with historical and scientific of errors.
Here you have a list of 313 errors found in the bible, choose your favorite: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html”
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WHAT THE HECK are you talking about?!! Most of those aren’t even what someone thinks are errors, they’re things that are recorded in the Bible that the author thinks aren’t believable. For example:
#233: Jesus gives his disciples “power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness.” #258: Jesus believed the story of Noah’s ark.
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And on top of that, there are so many crap conclusions that the author makes that aren’t even true within the Bible. #236: # Jesus casts out a devil from a man who was blind and dumb. (Thos we are unable to see or hear are possessed by devils.) No, ONE man who was blind and dumb was possessed by a devil.
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If you’re trying to prove that the Bible is inaccurate, at least try for its facts. Twisting its words and challenging things that you say couldn’t happen but were said to have happened 2000+ years ago will get you nowhere.
“Yeah,- what TC said!!!” Thanks TC!!!
COG
I don’t understand why you asked this question again when you already asked it in the email “I don’t understand” which you submitted this month as well. Expecting a different answer? For the love of the FSM learn to read and until you do please do not reproduce. (In case you don’t know what that means, it means don’t get someone pregnant and pass on your genes.) I think the world has all the ignorant people it can handle.
RAmen and use a condom!
“Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
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This is where I’m laughing hysterically!
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity.”
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Really? What did the slush in the puddle call it?
Oh my, the children pirates must spread the word of His Noodleness to the masses.
This “god” character has been referred to by many names and with many symbols. Why is yours correct
and ours wrong? You should think out what you are offering to us before submission.
RAmen
“Actually, it is very historically accurate”
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Ha ha ha, that’s so funny…!!
Why do you hate spaghetti so much? WHY?
I like your Christ - he is good. I don’t like your Christians, they are nothing like your Christ. (lifted not very accurately from Ghandi I think)
Yet another typical example of Christinsanity.
How boring
Historically accurate… right. The bible says that the universe was created in 7 (or is it 6) days by a magical sky fairy. It also says that one person (Noah) managed to cram 2 representatives of all the roughly 10 billion species in existence and that one man (Adam) named all of them. From a neutral standpoint, I’d say that the bible is as historically accurate as the lord of the rings. They both seem to describe alternate universes.
“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time - it just didn’t have the name Christianity.”
Well thats a nice tern for saying that Christianity is a Copy&Paste - Religion with no new content which is worth mention. A good book about that is “The Jesus Mysteries” by Freke and Gandy.
More blind faith in silliness.
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And @ Zorbathedwarfsmasher
I agree. I don’t necessarily hate god; just all the crazies that support him.
Okay I gotta say it!!!
CHRISTIANITY HAS NOT BEEN AROUND SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME!!!
Unless the first single celled organisms worshipped Jesus billions of years before his conceptions.
or maybe you believe in the whole adam/eve thing, in which case they weren’t christian either!!! Christianity didn’t come around until AFTER the death of Jesus, which I might add “The Bible” states there were people around before that, and they were mostly Jewish. (the ones mentioned in the bible not everyone)
Okay, first things first, Jesus, yes he was real, a good guy to, pillaging the poor idiots with scams out the wazoo, a real pirate for the ages, however the bible is not a real account of history, it is some crazy guys account of his point of view. We do not hate God per say, its just we hate his closed minded, blind followers that will believe whatever Nazi-pope Ratzinger says. Get over yourself see past the facade that is your life and learn to accept others.
And may the FSM accept you into our heaven, so long as you see the stripers of the gender you do not prefer.
RAmen
James D, King of pirates.
A little research, and I found that COG has sent us an email earlier with the same question. If COG’s expecting a response from henderbob, I’d suggest him to stop and read what we had to say (particularly historical accuracies). Unfortunately, I can’t do that….
As i have said before, you cannot hate something that does not exist. But you CAN hate those who follow something that does not exist.
Dave
BB79,
Let me put this simply:
Flying Spaghetti Monster = God
Why do YOU hate God?
Glory to His name.
I checked this post with the Meathead-O-Meter, and it regstered well into the red zone. Not much room for synaptic activity in there.
Christianity has NOT been around for very long. Judiasm is older, anyway. Any way, your god SUCKS. Ours gives us Fridays off and doesn’t demand immature bigotry.
Bobby if you don’t post this please E-mail it to him.
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Ok! Deep breath! (Be warned this is long and has an argument that totally destroys Christian teachings!)
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“I don’t understand why you all hate God. Why don’t you believe He exists?”
Well that’s not a very good statement to make now is it? How can you hate something that doesn’t exist?
You might as well ask why I hate Dracula.
But if, hypothetically speaking, god did exist; I’ve compiled a list of reasons to hate him.
1. God made everything, including things that are nasty.
2. It set us up for a fall as shown in Genesis 2:8-17, by putting the tree Adam was not meant to eat from there in the first place. Now Christians often make the claim god is omnipotent and omniscience. If this is the case he knows everything, so would know Adam and Eve would eat from that tree. Therefore he planed for them to eat from that tree! Therefore his intention from the start was to punish them! Therefore he is a cunt! Bearing in mind that he said “…but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. For the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Also bearing in mind that humans did not have knowledge until eating the fruit, this was akin to putting bleach in a coke bottle and putting it out in front of your kids. Bad parenting from your heavenly farther? I think so.
3. He lied! The Supreme Being has to resort to out and out lies. “…but from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. For the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Yet this is untrue as this never happened.
4. He lied again! He told the snake “…’Because you have done this, you are cursed above all livestock, and above every animal of the field. On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life.” But snakes don’t eat dust; they are predators and so eat other animals. Therefore god lied! Therefore he is a lying cunt!
5. He hates women; In Genesis 3:16 he said to Eve “’I will greatly increase your suffering during childbirth. In pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” Therefore he has shown he hates women and has no respect for them. Therefore he is a very bad deity.
6. God loves incest- he only made one man and one woman, so all there children where brothers (as only Cain and Able are mentioned) and so they could only have kids by having sex with their mother! Nice one god, wonder what Freud would make of that?
7. He incites brother to kill brother by showing favouritism. This is also not very nice.
8. In the story of Noah he commits global genocide, which isn’t very nice. Once again, being omnipotent and omniscient, he knew this was going to happen in the first place. Therefore he planed to commit global genocide from the beginning, therefore he is a cunt!
9. God gets his jollies from incest again, as after the flood there is only one family to repopulate the world. So every one from the first generations would have at least been first cousins!
10. God is vain and jealous! The story of the Tower of Babel shows that god didn’t like the fact the humans were achieving something great that unified them, so made them all speak different languages so they would become separate from each other.
Ok I’m going to stop now because there is just too much! I’ve got ten reasons to hate god and I’m still in Genesis!
I will mention Exodus, Joshua and Judges. Here god commands genocide (clearly he can’t be bothered to do it himself any more) and in Judges, he punishes his chosen for not killing enough people! Wow! What an arse hole! And once again I’m barely scratching the surface.
So in conclusion; if god did exist he would be the biggest cunt in the… well universe.
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“I read in an earlier message that the Bible is filled with historical errors. Actually, it is very historically accurate.”
No its not! A global flood, which there is absolutely no evidenced of, whipped out almost all life on earth? I don’t think so!
Things are written out of sync and in the wrong time periods. There is just so much!
If you want examples let me know I’ll be more than happy to list them!
Also the bible contradicts itself on a number of points.
Lets have a look at some shell we?
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God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
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War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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Which first–beasts or man?
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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The number of beasts in the ark
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
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Human vs. ghostly impregnation
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
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The sins of the father
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
There are even more but I’ll run out of space!
(You can see them at http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html)
So how can you claim the bible is accurate when it even contradicts itself?
And lets not forget claiming that bats are birds and that locusts only have four legs!
No, your holy book is not accurate at all!
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And a quick word on morals.
1. If you rape a virgin and are caught you have to marry her. So rape victims are forced to live with the men who raped them (presumably to be raped even more) and the farther given 50 pieces of silver?
2. If you lose part or all of your genitals you aren’t welcome into heaven, yet you should still be circumcised?
3. If your children talk back to you or disobey you (like refusing to marry their rapist) they must be stoned to death!
4. A woman is unclean when menstruating, and anyone she touches will also be unclean!
5. If you hear of a single person in a town preaching about a different god, then the whole town must be put to the sward and burnt to the ground!
6. If your wife fails to prove to the whole town she was a virgin on her wedding night she must be stoned to death! (Not sure how this works with the victims of rape as stated above).
7. You can sleep with your slaves, but if they don’t satisfy you, you can get rid of them (it doesn’t count as adultery unless it’s a mistress doing it rather then the master, but then god does hate women).
8. You can’t eat pigs, rabbits, camels or shell fish.
Once again only scratching the surface here.
So COG is this why you like the bible so much? Is it your hope you can someday rape yourself a wife?
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“Christianity has been around since the beginning of time”
No it hasn’t! Christianity is the following of Christ! Part of it is the Old Testament that covers the start of all Abrihamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam).
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Also, even if you don’t believe in evolution, it has been shown humanity is a relatively new species to the earth. This is fact! It’s shown in the fossil record!
So unless Jesus was actually the second coming and the first Messiah was a microbe that died for our sins, your statement is not only false but an out and out lie!
You’ve done nothing here but expose your ignorance, even of your own faith!
Well done.
“ - it just didn’t have the name Christianity.”
See above.
*But wait there’s more! (This is the good bit)*
If you are right Mr COG, you are going to hell!
Yes that’s right! Hell! Where you will be tortured for all eternity in a lake of boiling faeces! Where the Devil will rape your rectum with a razor studded dildo! Hell! Where the indescribable holes of a billion souls in anguish will be the sound track to endless agony!
I’m sure you’ll ask: Why?
Well even if you don’t eat meat (which most Christians do), eat shell fish or squid (which I’m sure most Christens do) or worship an Idol (which ALL Christens do! You call it a crucifix.)
You worship Jesus Christ as the son of god, as god and as the child of the Holy Spirit!
This is what would condemn you to hell if you if you are right
How? You might ask
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You couldn’t have seen this coming!
Deuteronomy 13:1-6! As you obviously don’t know it (or you wouldn’t be advocating you religion) here it is!
“If a prophet arises among you offering some sign or wonder and if he then tells you to follow other gods and worship them (i.e. when Jesus.) Do not listen to that prophet’s words. Yahweh your God is testing you to find out if you love him with all your heart and soul. That prophet must be put to death. You must banish this evil from among you.”
So well done, yet again!
(Take not of this everyone as this is an awesome conversation winner with Christians. You can end any argument with this as soon as they bring up that ‘The bible is infallible’ crap.)
This can be found in a bible or here http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/false_prophets/dt13_01.html
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“The belief in God was the very first religion, until man sinned.”
Actually it was a form of nature worship as I understand it. Gods came as people tried to establish a hierarchies amongst there fictional spirits.
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“-COG”
You’re a total idiot, offence meant. You lack the slightest understanding of even your own pathetic religion. You argument lacks even the barest shred of evidenced or reasoning, therefore I’ll treat it as what it is; A declaration of idiocy!
And may god strike me dead if it’s not!!!
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Still here? Your Imaginary friend has failed to strike me down, so ether way you’re wrong then?
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See you in hell if you’re right!
Why do you hate the FSM? Why don’t you belive HE exists?
So Christianity it the one true religion!! Thanks for clearing that up for me.
The mayans and the incans and the azteks and the egyptians and such are probably quite angry at you. :[
the fact that you are asking these questions is good. however, simply asking questions is not where you get off the train. you have to want to know the answers as well. do you really want to know why pastafarians believe in what we believe? or do you want us to throw our beliefs away and believe what your church has told you throughout your life?
if you merely want us to believe what your church believes, then you are preaching to the wrong crowd. most pastafarians have some amount of religious background. many of us have read the old and new testament and have spent some time in one judeo-christian sect’s church or another. what most pastafarians have in common is that we were not satisfied with fallacy after fallacy, contradiction after contradiction found within all three of the judeo-christian religions (including your christianity). if you genuinely want to know why pastafarians believe what we believe, please try the following:
the next time you find something within christianity that contradicts itself, that seems to be untrue, that seems to go against the teachings found within the bible, ask one of your preachers or elders about it. most of the time they will be able to explain the contradiction or the fallacy based on some previous theologian’s assertations. most of these responses don’t truly explain your inquiry. rather, they simplify it by correlating it with a story found in the bible, or say that god works in “mysterious ways.” if it is a real doozie (to use a cliche but still quite relevant example), such as “if god is benevolent and merciful, why do so many innocent children suffer every day in this world,” take the time to really think about your minister’s/elder’s/father’s response. if they say something as horrendously rediculous as “god created evil to balance the good in the world,” “god created evil so that man may appreciate that which is good,” “they are acts of satan that are eventually overcome by the love of god,” or even worse, “god is punishing those children for committing sins prior to their birth,” i strongly encourage you to think about these responses and how naively self-important they are. do you honestly think a young child in kashmir/sri lanka/sudan/afghanistan that has never heard of jesus christ deserves to be the victim of gunfire or aerial bombing simply so that your god can prove a point to you? think about how self-centered that is. or to use an example closer to home: when you hear of a man in alabama throwing his four children to their deaths from a high bridge, or hear of a man repeatedly raping his adolescent daughter in missouri, do you honestly believe that those children are paying for sins they committed in the womb? do you really think those children are the price the world pays for the struggle between good and evil/jesus christ and lucifer? if this is truly what you believe, then you have just answered your question for us.
these are examples that have been used innumerable times, but they are questions many pastafarians have asked themselves as they moved away from the belief in your god. pastafarians continue not only to ask questions, but to analyze answers and seek truth. every pastafarian on this website could quote dozens of question they’ve asked themselves regarding the existence of god.
to paraphrase a quote used by TC in an earlier response to you: we cannot simply hand you everything that we have learned in a simple paragraph. you have to seek this wisdom for yourself. you seem to be probing the right direction, because you at least are asking us why we believe what we believe, rather than rediculing us and mentioning the fact that our god doesn’t have a weiner or SCREAMING IN CAPITAL LETTERS that we will all burn in hell hell hell.
may His noodles embrace you and His spicy marinara provide warmth on cold nights,
RAmen
CHRISTIANS ARE WOEFULLY IGNORANT; the bible was written by primitive men(not any god) to control other primitve men. Look at it’s prohibitions and commandments:
(From Evilbible.com) God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).
Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: “For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.
God also apparently wishes for any of you who work on sunday, eat seafood, or wear clothing made from more than 1 type of material to be stoned to death.
My god has touched me with his noodly appendage which is loving and delicious.
Signed your faithful pirate in pasta
You guys are freaky! Come on now, seriously… you guys are foolish if you think this is going to be taught in schools if that ever happens then im mickey mouse.
henderob, please tell us what drugs that you are on, because I bet that they are GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD D D D D D D !
I LOVE god!
Especially with garlic bread.
we dont hate god, were another religion, if you dont like it then your hardly accepting anothers beliefs, hail FSM
hmm…. we do believe in god! so u can suck my invisable dick.
peace love and pirates
RAmen
I donàt hate God. I hate religions, since religions have cteated that u call God. No religion, no God.
Thus becoming fondamentalism, as we know very well. Get people to think with their own brain is the main goal of this book, I believe.
Okay, I’ll admit it… I do hate God. I detest everyone, real or imaginary, who acts like Jehovah does in the First Testament. I wish all Christians would just read their own book already.
Christianity was not the first religion, you dipshit. Read a history book.
I don’t hate the Flying Spaghetti Monster at all. That IS the god to which you were referring, correct?
You religious idiots have not got a clue have you. You believe all you read in your individually related paraphernalia.
You don’t have the ability to think for yourself and have circum to the brainwashing of your parents or forbearer’s.
You waste your time, energy,money and life wondering what your respective heaven will be like and if you will get in when you die.
And your energies are wasted trying to brainwash more SAPS or berating them if they don’t believe in your particular Brand of crap.
The world would be a better place without GOD/Jesus, JEHOVE, BUDDHA,MOHAMED(oh no i said it)ETC,ETC,ETC.
Those with any sense at all manage to contribute, morally, to the world without belief in an outdated, fictitious, omnipotent being.
OH! And by the way i am Atheist and proud.
its not about hating god. its about not wanting thouse ideas to be taught alongside evoloution. its nothing to do with not beliving God, its about saying tht, that is not a science.
Dear COG (child of god?):
If your god wants everyone to believe he exists why doesn’t he just book time on CNN or FOX and do some interviews. He could share some stories with Anderson Cooper like why he did what he did to Sodom & Gomorrah, and why nothing less than having his own kid nailed to a tree in his underoos would propitiate him for the sin of Adam and Eve. Matter of fact, he could explain why he was holding all descendants responsible for the sins of their first ancestors. (Kinda like the types of blood feuds we see where Hitler wanted to kill all the jews, isn’t it). Then he could explain what he had in mind when he created Cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and flesh eating bacteria like Ebola.
Finally he could explain why nothing less than eternal torture is true justice for unforgiven sin. In a nation that has turned its head away in revulsion from such things as Gitmo and Abu Graib, (except of course for the fundie supporters of Bush-Cheney) it will be interesting to hear how such explanations play.
Of course, this will never happen because your god is a human invention-fabricated by primitive peoples who saw genocide, blood feuds stretching over generations, torture, and absolute rule by kings as the natural order of things. Your religion is the vestigal remnant of that earlier, bloodier utterly inferior culture, and you hold on to it because it was programmed into you before you developed the capacity for critical thinking, by well meaning parents, teachers, neghbors and clergy who were in their turn, programmed in a similar manner.
It is good that you are reading here. It is a sign that perhaps the programming doesn’t have an unshakable hold on you. You are after all questioning what underpins the belief systems of others who are differet from you. Your curiosity is really your cognitive dissonance (look it up) about your own beliefs. Trust that-it can lead you to the truth.
You don’t want to be some unwashed fundamenalist who denies the vast truths of modern science; attempts to undermine the nations 250 year tradition of Church State Separation just so you can indoctrinate your neigbors’ children in your faith with publicly held resources (i.e. the public schools), ; tries to control the reproductive rights of women; dictates to fellow citizens who they can love and marry; and supports a government where the president and vp come to power by virtue of a fraudlent election ratified by a right wing supreme court that plunges the nation into illegal wars based on blatant lies. We have millions of people in our nation who have supported that kind of nonsense. It has brought us to the brink of ruin. Don’t you be one of them.
i believe in one Almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster and only one Flying Spaghetti Monster. He made me who I am and i love him yay!
Most people are religious out of fear of going to hell now thats just sad in its own way. Your afraid of words.