I came across your site through Answers in Genesis. I have a couple of comments to make.Anyone can make up a religion these days. What you propose to people is just silly. Lets be real here.
What is your authority to say how things started? I ask because we must go back to some authority in which we can say such things. Also, how can you then get to Heaven? How are we saved? Why are we in the mess, that we are?
Jesus Christ died for us, so that we could have life. Can you say the same thing about your “God”?
2Pe 2:1
But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. 1 These false teachers 2 will 3 infiltrate your midst 4 with destructive heresies, 5 even to the point of 6 denying the Master who bought them. As a result, they will bring 7 swift destruction on themselves.2Pe 2:2
And many will follow their debauched lifestyles. 1 Because of these false teachers, 2 the way of truth will be slandered. 32Pe 2:19
Although these false teachers promise 1 such people 2 freedom, they themselves are enslaved to 3 immorality. 4 For whatever a person succumbs to, to that he is enslaved. 57:13 “Enter through the narrow gate, because the gate is wide and the way is spacious that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 7:14 But the gate is narrow and the way is difficult that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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Joel
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
This is, of course, is based on the idea that the proposed audience you’re speaking to via this mail are all Christians.
Believe it or not, they are people who are religious but aren’t Christians.
Hey! Check out the above post! Wow! I love this idea (FSM) - but quoting scripture in defense of intelligent design? Come on! Onviously the above guy has: 1 No sense of humour 2 A unwaivering and unquestioning belief in a dogmatic sytem 3 too much time on his hands. (4 he also doesn’t put punctuation after his 5 bible line numbers)
Anyway Joel, none of these things are bad on their own, but all three traits wrapped up in a slightly suggestable male youth lead to, well…ever heard of Waco? Columbine? Jihad? or… The Crusades? Mormons? The Republican National Convention? A Soccer Riot? No?
People who quote scripture scare me. Hey Joel, keep up the good work with the bible study, buddy, but if you ever find your self climbing the the stairs of a campus clock tower with a .306 remmington avec bremnar scope all hidden in a flower box, don’t say I didn’t warn you.
living for Pasta,
Tommy J
PS - It’s the first time I’ve replied to this type of thing and I got to admit that if I ran around the interwebs posting retorts to everyone who quoted scripture in defence of their beliefs I’d have carpal tunnel, a really bad hemorrhoid and a worse sex life than I do now. Ouch.
Dear Joel,
I believe that most religions were made up a quite some years ago. And the people that wrote other religious books.. Did they have any athority of saying how thigs started?
Our God doesn’t find it very usefull to let someone die, so others can live. He thinks it rather unfair, or maybe he is just to busy doing meaningfull things like watching TV or shooting pool.
RAmen
“Anyone can make up a religion these days. What you propose to people is just silly. Lets be real here.”
Exactly, and the same thing happened a few thousand years ago. Christianity - as any other religion - is man made. God did not create man - man created God. Let’s be real here.
“What is your authority to say how things started? I ask because we must go back to some authority in which we can say such things. Also, how can you then get to Heaven? How are we saved? Why are we in the mess, that we are?”
What authority says that God exists? Who told you that God exists? Your parents? The local priest? My point is, that just because someone says that ’something’ is true, doesn’t actually make it so. We need evidence. We need evidence that God exists. We need evidence, that there really is a Heaven. If you come across this evidence, please let us know. Until then, the criticism you have for The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is just as true for Christianity. You can’t proved that God created the world, and you can’t disapprove that the Spaghetti Monster created the world.
Bible quotes! I am convinced now, Joel! That’s almost as good as real science!
“What is your authority to say how things started?”
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What is your authority for saying anything to the opposite of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? I’d say before you proclaim The Flying Spaghetti Monster as false, you should bring some proof of your deity to the table. Show some proof of Heaven and Hell, show some proof of God’s miracles perhaps. Answer the age old question of why does god hate amputees (www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com)?
@Joel
“I came across your site through Answers in Genesis. I have a couple of comments to make. Anyone can make up a religion these days. What you propose to people is just silly. Lets be real here.”
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Agreed, it’s silly. But certainly no sillier than what Answers in Genesis proposes. Much less silly in fact. Pastafarianism doesn’t make many (if any) claims that go against reproducible, verifyable scientific evidence. AiG does, a lot.
“What is your authority to say how things started?”
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Our prophet Bobby Henderson had a revelation! Through him we have received His word, as written down in the Gospel of the FSM. I have faith!
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“I ask because we must go back to some authority in which we can say such things.”
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The FSM that spoke through Bobby is the highest authority in the universe. You know, the One who created it all in the first place.
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“Also, how can you then get to Heaven? How are we saved?”
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Obey the 8 ‘I’d really rather you didn’t’ statements and you automatically have an afterlife full of cool drinks and hot strippers to look forward to. Open your heart to the FSM and you will see life in a completely different way, both your life here on earth and the one after that. Of course you’re completely free to believe whatever you want, no pressure, but I would gently remind you that stale beer and old strippers with horribly wrinkled skin and artificial limbs is not something you want to risk. So the wisest thing to do (Google ‘Pascals wager’) is to embrace the FSM and the wisdom of His word (on rare occasions when He is sober) as written down in the Gospel of the FSM. RAmen.
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“Why are we in the mess, that we are?”
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Ok, I have to concede the point here. There is such a mess because our almighty, merciful deity, the FSM, noodles be forever upon Him, is actually a semi-continuously drunken piece of bungling incompetence, as far as almighty deities go.
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“Jesus Christ died for us, so that we could have life. Can you say the same thing about your “God”?”
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Of course. Jesus was the son of the FSM! You didn’t know that?! Some christians were upset to learn this. Yet noone has ever met the challenge to produce evidence that it isn’t so. There is an online challenge to come up with evidence that it isn’t so. Any christian who has convincing evidence that jesus is not he son of the FSM can win a fortune.
It was such a great tragedy that in another bout of drunkenness, the FSM let jesus be nailed to a wooden bar. He later regretted it terribly, letting his son suffer so horribly for no good reason whatsoever. I assume you’ll agree that creating suffering doesn’t help to make the world a better place. You’d have a pretty sick world view if you thought the way forward is by placing people in terrible agony.
Come on guys: he gets here through Answers in Genesis, doesn’t that say enough? Quotes of scriptue to prove said scripture is about the level I’d expect sadly enough.
I am appaled at the thought that our benevolent noodly God would want to make someone die, for whatever reason. Nor does He need to die for us to have a life, thank you very much. He is a loving and forgiving deity, blessed be His pasta for all eternity.
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As for how do we know, don’t we have the gospel written by Him directly through His prophet? In plain English, mind you, not translated from any obscure language. He told us how He created everything, starting with mountains and midgits, and who are you to undermine the authority of living Spaghetti God? He tells us he loves us and even guides us with the holy I’d Really Rather You Didn’ts.
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As for false teachers, looked at yourself in the mirror lately? You say the gate is narrow, so why do you pick on a religion which is obviously a *minority* religion? Surely, it’s the big religions who are wrong, because if they were right, the people won’t fit into the gate? “The gate is narrow and the way is difficult that leads to life, and there are few who find it”, why, that’s about us! We are the few who found the way of Pasta and people like Joel are making our life difficult. It all makes sense now!
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As for you, Joel, I pray He will touch you with His noodly appendage and you will see the light.
Ramen.
Hi Joel
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“Anyone can make up a religion these days.”
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Anyone has always been able to make up a religion, and did they ever! The difference these days is perhaps that the internet enables a religion to establish itself quickly. Almost any argument you use to support your beliefs works equally well against them. For example, what is YOUR authority to say how things started? I ask because I would like to hear how you think you know your Gospel is more authoritative than ours. Can you not imagine a first century Roman saying to the Disciples “Quis vos populis propono iustum leviculum est, (”What you propose to people is just silly” excuse my schoolboy Latin — see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8 ) and Jupiter and Mars won’t like it”. Hence the need over the last two thousand years for the established Church to torture and murder your “false teachers” lest the true teachers be shown wanting.
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“Jesus Christ died for us, so that we could have life”
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Never quite got this. He died, but will live in heaven for ever. Not much of a sacrifice if you think about it! Hence the need for such a strong taboo against suicide to prevent believers taking a shortcut out of this life on on to better things beyond.
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“Also, how can you then get to Heaven?” —— Read our Gospel!
“How are we saved? —— Read our Gospel!
“Why are we in the mess, that we are?” —— Read our Gospel! Plus, humanity has spent much of the last two thousand years using arguments about the finer points of brown nosing your God as a justification for mass murder.
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“Can you say the same thing about your God?”
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We can, and with the same level of certainty you can say it about yours.
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Advocatus Diabioli.
Some are saved, others invested. Clearly, few heed the call of the Prophet, Swami Snatchadamonee, who wrote of these things in his First Letter to the Crustaceans: “Be ye as a crab and sidle, Seek the bottom and feed contentedly” .
Some points of dogma, though: Is one anointed with, or by, the Flying Spaghetti Monster? The text is scanty on this point.
Is there a place in the theory of the FSM for UFOs, healing crystals, and aluminum foil headware? Not that I have an objection to any of them; I think that aluminum headware is very trendy, and a great way of recycling aluminum foil.
Bob Runowski
Can you quote the entire bible please, Joel? I’m getting interested.
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But then why are you saying our religion is false? Because it’s not yours. (that wasn’t a question, it’s an answer).
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Of course, it would be very stupid if the writers of the bible would say “any other prophet could be true too, there are many roads that lead to Rome”.
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That’s the good thing about the FSM religion; we could be wrong. We admit it; all we need it proof. “It’s written in my [your religious book of choise]” doesn’t count.
Wow! Answers in Genesis has a link to this site? You can’t buy that kind of great advertising!
Joel -
Please realize that we do not share your point of view about the bible as an authority for anything. You have probably spent your life being told that your one particular book is Truth, that every last word is true, and that all truth can be found there. You believe this fervently, and are used to using arguments from the bible within your church community, and having them automatically accepted. But by posting here, you are within OUR “church community”, and we have different standards.
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To be able to use any quote from the bible to prove anything to us, you must first establish the truth of the bible. The argument that “the bible must be true” because “it says so in the bible” is totally circular. I can argue “The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is true” because “it says so in The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster”. Same arguement, exactly, but I don’t think you’ll accept it. This is why we don’t accept yours. Proof of the validity of a source must come from OUTSIDE the source. You CANNOT prove the bible is true by using only things written in the bible.
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To us, it is one of many, many ancient texts. It’s full of mythology and legend, ancient mysticism and superstition, mixed with historical records of the wars of a small bronze-age mideastern tribe. I have read it, cover to cover, in two different translations. I have also read other works of ancient mythology. I have no reason to believe in the “Truth” of any of those books. They provide an interesting perpsective on the mindsets of the people of those times. They are a useful cultural reference. But no amount of quoting from your special “book” can convince me that any of the numerous people who wrote it, or edited it, had a lock on “Truth”.
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Joel, I’ve read quite a few other books in my time. I’ve studied science, and listened to lots of opinions. I’ve seen the Invisible Pink Unicorn’s blessings on my laundry - raptured socks and white shirts taking on her holy color. I have prayed at the Church of Google and had my prayers answered in nanoseconds. I have looked for noodliness in the world, and lo, it is pervasive. I find more evidence in front of me in support of these fictional religions than for any traditional one. Nothing that your “book” says can convince me that your invisible friend is real. So don’t bother quoting it at me.
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Care to try arguing a different way? Find a way to establish the authority of your book that does not involve quotes from the book as the proof. Then you might have more success in getting our attention.
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You might gain some perspective by realizing that we are a mirror for you. We are behaving in exactly the same ways your community does (only usually more politely, and with better spelling). We take the arguments you make, substitute “Flying Spaghetti Monster” for your god, substitute our made-up beliefs for the ones you are accustomed to, and argue them right back at you. If this seems silly and preposterous, please realize that you look the same way to non-Christians. If you don’t like what you see here, look to the mote in your own eye.
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RAmen
2Pe 2:19
Although these false teachers promise 1 such people 2 freedom, they themselves are enslaved to 3 immorality. 4 For whatever a person succumbs to, to that he is enslaved.
Wow… kinda reminds you of Christianity, doesn’t it? Joel, just becuase you can throw scripture in our faces doesn’t make you right. Anyone could write a reasonable prediction of what will occur in the future. And, with enough time, all reasonable predictions will come to fruition.
And low is is stated in the book of Mike the pirate Page 132, Paragraph 90 Sentence 3 Subphase 27… beta.
“Reached out with his noodley apendage did he and graced the life of human, and it was tasty.”
Pasta be with you
RAmen.
sir… all these questions and more can be answered if you read The Gospel. How do we get to Heaven, why Bobby Henderson has authority, how he knows how it started. If you would like a copy I am known around town for lending them to non-believers.
Your bible was written by people just like ours. Sighting it as proof, ie EXACTLY the same as us sighting ours as proof. Try again.
It’s not “how do we get into our heaven?” it’s more “how do we end up in our hell?” I would say it’s nearly impossible to end up in our hell, unless you rape children and then eat their corpses.
And who had the authority to start Christianity, or Islam, or Buddhism (there’s actually an answer for that one!) or Paganism? Why is it that we get so much flak for our Spaghedeity? Aren’t all the gods pretty much the same thing? So what if we choose to believe that he likes to take the form of tasty Pasta goods?
Joel,
If you want to talk about made up religions, let us first talk about the Abrahamic faiths, which according to evidence, are no where near the first or oldest religions in human history. There is distinct archaelogical evidence for countless polytheistic and nature worship religions long before any of the Abrahamic faiths. So based off that and other evidence Judaism was the second monotheistic faith invented by man(Akanaton’s Aton worship predates it iirc) and who knows how far down the line of religions in general. Then around 2 thousand years ago a Jewish Rabbi supposedly (the historical proof for his existance is limited at best) started a ministry and formed a Messianic cult. This cult then interpreted his actions and the events of his life to a change in the covenant with the Jewish god which allowed (at least according to some of this Rabbi’s followers) gentiles to join the faith enabling it to grow into a major world religion. Then ~600 years ago an arab merchant went into a cave and wrote a book which he claimed an angel told him to write proclaiming a new variant of the covenant. If I may be so bold sir, what gave Abraham, Jesus, or Mohammad the right to invent their religions? What makes Abraham’s YHWH more valid then the ancient cave man’s fertility goddess? Or the Greek Zeus? You may believe, rightly or wrongly, that your faith is the absolute truth and the only right one, but that does not change the fact that you have no more evidence to support that (or to disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster) then I have to say that in fact a giant pasta monster created existence. So please sir, until you have that proof please be respectful of the rights of others to believe what they want and we will do the same to you (and no, the Bible cannot be used to prove itself, please find some real evidence).
RAmen