HMM….
This website (as the writers probably intended) has commenters with a wide range of views on life and “religion.” Some claim openmindedness, others bash Christianity for, well, anything.
Please do not consider it a heresy to your conglomerate that a Christian that believes in Intelligent Design is commenting on your site, but I have some things to say about us:
Christianity is not a just a way of thinking or living or a “religion.” We do not picture God as flying somewhere overhead, watching our every move, waiting to punish us. He does watch our every move, but He acts with justice and mercy, and most of all, agape (love).
He is not just something to “get us through” life, though he certianly does that. For many of us, He is WHY we get through life doing what we do, not just HOW. He is there when we need help, but that is not His purpose. However, our purpose in life is to worship Him (he needs no help). I suppose there is no way y’all can understand unless you’re on this side of the fence.
-kaykay
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@PirateHooker
“I’m a student at Baylor University. I’ve taken classes in theology. TRUST. I am on the right side of the fence and some people over here are ten hairs short of a baboon.”
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I do sympathize. Baylor is the university where christian revisionist ‘historian’ Rodney Stark works. I’ve read a small bit of his work. Boy, oh boy. I would recommend not to ever take his courses as electives.
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Just feel the pretension flowing from this hate mail!
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God must be the most insecure being in all of literature.
He created beings for the pure purpose of worshiping him.
He passed laws saying that his creation can worship only him.
And he enacts a quick and brutal vengence on anyone who dares not shower him with constant attention.
He’s like an attention craved two year old. “Pay attention to me! Pay attention to me or I’ll hurt you!”
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“I suppose there is no way y’all can understand unless you’re on this side of the fence.”
You’re right, we can’t. Then again, we’re equally surprised you don’t understand our side of the fence either. Could it be…Confirmation Bias???
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What I cannot understand is how the worshipping of a bunch of very imperfect humans would affect in any way an infinitely intelligent being. I understand therefore even less why such an infinitely intelligent being would have bothered to create a universe, which would take so many million years to achieve those imperfect humans.
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On the other hand pasta is very easy to understand.
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RAmen
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Kaykay, the ‘y’all’ gave you away, I can just picture you now, red neck and all
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When I want to get through parts of life I usually have a strong cup of coffee.
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i don’t know who originally said this but i like it (the following is paraphrased): “religious debates are little more than arguments over who has the best imaginary friend”. and what’s with current presidential candidate huckabee’s campaign commercials saying (another paraphrase) “i count on my religion to tell me what to believe so i don’t have to wake up every morning wondering what to think”…whatever became of reason and personal responsibility? separation of church and state continues to be of supreme (pardon the pun) importance.
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“He is not just something to “get us through” life, though he certianly does that. For many of us, He is WHY we get through life doing what we do, not just HOW. He is there when we need help, but that is not His purpose. However, our purpose in life is to worship Him (he needs no help).”
Applying the same argument, but in a more succinct way:
“Beer… the cause of, and solution to all of life’s problems” – Homer Simpson.
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I understand this is a concerned mail, but I feel bad it’s been put in a bad light with all the other hate-mails. Is it possible to somehow put this honest (though rather confusing to some of us, including me) to a more friendlier section of this web page?
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Why is it that hate mails beginning with a condescending ‘hmmm…’ are almost always monumentally pointless and unintelligent?
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If the grass is greener on the other side of the fence I’ll stay put. I prefer red/purple stcky buds.
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And there we have it, folks. Another Christian upon whom the definition of “satire” is completely lost.
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I’m just curious. If our whole purpose for living is to worship and praise god (who apparently has some self esteam issues) and god created us, then why did he “give us” (well some of us anyway) free thought, creativity, curiosity, intelligence, etc.? We wouldn’t need evangelists in the TV trying to brain wash us. We would have already come out as mindless robots. Instead I think we were created for the purpose of enterntainment. We are the FSM’s soap opera.
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Hmm… Not a lot of love in the old testament, or in Revelations… more like “smiting.”
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“I suppose there is no way y’all can understand unless you’re on this side of the fence.”
That’s a bit of a misconception. I well understand the role religion plays in many people’s lives, and unlike a few of my more argumentative shipmates, support it fully. I’m simply here to remind you that faith and science are separate. Keep your religious teaching to religious classes and out of our science, and I have no issue with you.
If you wish us to accept your beliefs, kindly do the same for us. Preferably without threatening us with hell, it really doesn’t make anyone feel particularly friendly.
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@Cap’n Rose
“That’s a bit of a misconception. I well understand the role religion plays in many people’s lives, and unlike a few of my more argumentative shipmates, support it fully. I’m simply here to remind you that faith and science are separate. Keep your religious teaching to religious classes and out of our science, and I have no issue with you.”
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I’m afraid (or glad?) that I’m not that open-minded. Imagine kids first having a physics class in the morning then to follow it up by a religious class that will tell them that what the physics teacher said about the size of the universe is a big lie because light from faraway galaxies couldn’t have traveled to earth in ~6000 years. I’m all for not teaching things in religious classes that are demonstrably false, like young earth creationism. Call me an atheist bigot if you will, but I don’t see why such things should be taught in any class.
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“He acts with justice and mercy”
If he acts with justice, why does he condemn homosexuals to hell? Gayness doesn’t hurt anyone.
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is god watching when children are raped? That’s some sick stuff — he should find a therapist.
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Gos acted with mercy when he flooded the world to destroy all life because only one man was free from sin. What about newborn babies? Were they full of sin? Form your comments, I cna figure out a great deal about you. You are white, and of German or English descent. You are either Lutheran or Methodist. You lived in a suburban area, as a child, where both your mom and your dad had jobs, and your mom drove a blue minivan, while your dad drove an ordinary car, probably a chevy, silver, to his ordinary job. You have blonde hair and blue eyes, and have never had anything bad happen to you in your life, and it’s easy ofr you to say that God loves everyone and acts with mercy and love.
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Scurvy Jen, i hail you for creative thinking and agree that we must be very entertaining, especially from above.
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Ah, one that deviated from the Alphabet Mafia’s usual way of signing. They spelled out a letter (k) twice! The originality is fascinating.
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@Fr. Corpus Callosum Jan 26th, 2008 at 12:59 am
“Why is it that hate mails beginning with a condescending ‘hmmm…’ are almost always monumentally pointless and unintelligent?”
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Friar
Great to hear from you again after so long…too long.
I for one have missed your comments.
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When your belief system is brimming with idiocy to the point that it denies reality and hard evidence, it fully deserves to be bashed. In one sentence you say that you do not picture your god flying overhead somewhere watching your every move and in the next you say he does watch your every move. Confused, much? Looks to me like even you find it hard to understand your side of the fence.
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And why is it that you people think the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not do for us what God does for Christians? Because he isn’t as well known? Because he takes the form of Pasta and not as an all-ruling, faultless megahuman? Never once have I heard of a case of the FSM flying around with the sole intent of punishing people. He does not punish us for our wrongs, but rewards us for our rights. Can’t you respect him for that?
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“And there we have it, folks. Another Christian upon whom the definition of “satire” is completely lost.”
This quote shall be remembered.
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@ Dutch Pasta Guy
I agree that our public schools should not include any religious preaching as part of the curriculum. But it could do nothing but good for there to be a class on “religion” – a class that studies and compares the history and beliefs of all major world religions, and some of the minor ones as well. So many of the fundies out there have no conception of why followers of other religions and belief systems would not drop everything and be a fundie too. They are just clueless. My daughter ran into this recently. She has made a fundie friend, who seemed totally puzzled at the idea of atheism: “If you don’t believe in god, then where do you go to church?” Putting things in perspective might crack open a few minds that are now locked shut. Better understanding might lead to more tolerance.
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At least I am working on this with my own kids. We have lots of discussions about the basics of the major world religions. I’m hoping to vaccinate them against all the preachers they will meet in their lives. We tell people we’re “home Sunday-schooling”..
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RAmen
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Ok, first off….I think I just fell in love with this site! I am a true smartass in nature and love the fact that this site exists to give people to decide that THEIR ‘religion’ is ‘OTHER’!!!!!
And when the slow folks ask exactly what ‘other’ implies, ask them to check out their next plate of spaghetti noodles with their meat balls and ask themselves if I can eat their ‘God’s’ image the next day…lol! (point may be lost on a few different religions that choose to eat of their ‘wafer and wine/grape juice God anyways……and they call US crude?)
Ok, I really have to go before I laugh so hard that I hurt myself.
Be joining soon.
Call Me CONVERTED…….well……from NOTHING if that counts…..hahaha!
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Does this flying god watch us when we go to poopy? And when we ‘beat the meat’? I always get the feeling someone is watching but I thought it was my conscience. I dont like being watched like this. What a perverted god. So unlike the Holy FSM. May the wrath of the great FSM smite your sick god with his noodly appendage.
RAmen
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Hmm…. Yet another person that believes Pastafarians truly believe in the FSM. I mean, come on! What type of parents do you get raised by to believe in intelligent design, anyways. God didn’t go wham boom bing, planet full of creatures. And how do you explain dinosaurs? Did God put them there simply to fool us? (Sorry to use God in my writing, not trying to offend anyone) I have a good friend who believes in intelligent design. I try not to argue with him because he gets upset easily, but I nontheless would like to tell his explanation for dinosaurs. He said that humans and dinosaurs were made at the same time, but humans went into hiding from them for millions of year, inbreeding, and as a result, not gaining any intelligence. There are fundamental flaws, such as the fact that the side effects caused by inbreeding would not be reversable, and the fact that no remains have been found. However, at least he has an explanation, unlike many church officials. Anyways, I am only a junior in high school, and I can’t believe that in some places, religious institutes try to shovel this intelligent design crap down our throats. RP out.
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Also, I agree that many religious people do not understand satire, or humor in general.
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I’m glad YOU understand this, but the farther south you go, the less people you find who think this through as well as you.
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Oh! You Christians are in a sort of zoo! I get it now. Look at that one!
Seriously though, justice and mercy? LOVE!?!? I don’t think that the Bible the Christians have “read” is the same one I’ve read.
Here’s to hoping His Noodly Appendage touches you,
-GM
RAmen
If you have any questions about, or just want to discuss the existence of the FSM, you can reach me at kanastag@comcast.net
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