The Florida Department of Education has proposed new standards for science education in which evolution is presented as “the fundamental concept underlying all of biology and is supported in multiple forms of scientific evidence”.
The Clay County School Board would prefer that evolution was not presented as fact, and is today – January 17th – voting on a resolution which would direct the Florida Department of Education to revise the science standards. They’d prefer that all theories – including supernatural ones – are given an equal footing.
I, for one, am ready for science to hold all theories equally valid without basis on evidence. And why shouldn’t science include supernatural theories? So what if science is “the study of the natural world”.
I’m all for changing the fundamental definition and methodology of science. Let’s just be clear that that’s what we’re doing, ok?
Maybe in a world where science allows magic, we’ll finally get flying cars.
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@ Tar
“Australia sounds like a cool place.”
it is pretty cool. very moderate in terms of religion i believe. but we still have our problems. then again America captivates my imagination for some things as well. i think it’d be a nice place to live… for a while. heh.
America gets a lot of bad publicity in other countries, especially with regard to religious nuts and stupid religious apologetics… they type that allow this stuff to be even brought to a court. this stuff just seems to me as common sense. i mean, i dont care [much] if you want your kids to be god fearing creationists(hopefully they get the education they deserve and see how flawed creationism is), but there is no way my tax paying dollars are going to fund that. maybe they should have an extra tax for people who want their kid to learn this tripe so that other citizens are not out of pocket. then again, if it matters so much, why not just pay the extra $$ and send your kids to a private school… or if its a money issues.. home school them.
science should be taught based on evidence. most of science is theories. they still exist becasue they best explain the problem.
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@MV Jan 20th, 2008 at 12:41 am: “I really hope you don’t actually litigate because you must be very poor at creating / countering an argument. First, evolution has nothing to do with origin. That is Genesis. Evolution deals with how species change over time.”
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Hahaha! Oops, sorry… Evolution has to start somewhere too: tiny single cells, for example. Or a good sneeze. Whereas when you start with Genesis, you haven’t much room left for evolution, have you? Oh well, nice trying to combine the bible with evolution. After all, we DO have two brain halves, don’t we?
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Stevo,
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I agree, I was just pointing out to Mr Litigator that evolution has nothing to do with Genesis where as Intelligent Design is trying to answer that and be passed as science. It is not science and should not be taught in Science Class.
MV
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@Fluff?
Thanks for the quick description of Australia. I’ve went to Japan many times, and thus far, only faced a few religious people there (including a Zen Buddhist monk who hated Christianity, although I’d rather label his hatred towards American culture according to his opinions). So rather unfortunately, I know a country less religious than Australia, according to what you say.
But I could care less. I hate the cold at New York. Australia still sounds cool, despite my mom’s warning of the inconsistent bathroom systems. Perhaps I should bring my own toilet paper….
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As for taxes and stuff, watch and shiver: http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=121
I. can’t. believe. it. It’s the funniest and the saddest thing ever USA had.
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@MrLitigator
Then disprove Creationism. I don’t believe in it, but I bet every argument you make against Creationism can easily be explained by the simple phrase, “merely because the Creator desires to do so”. And this lack of disproof, thereof, invalidates it as an actual science theory (science theories HAVE to be disputable).
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Evolution, on the other hand, can be easily disproved. For example, make a rabbit appear out of nothing, and I will instantly believe in Creationism.
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In the bible it says god created the earth in seven days. It never said how long those days were. for all we know a day in gods time could be 3 billion years! Also it says god put down the animals before man. it also says that god made fish and birds(dinosaurs) before he made the land animals we know to day. then it says he created man. isn’t this some what like the path of evolution? i believe that man was made separate and special but i do believe in animal evolution. to me it all point out that evolution is a way that god used to make all the life around us. We humans are different from all other animals. and if human evolution was true why do men have nipples? and why would there be monkeys left if the smart way to go was to evolve into humans? I’m pretty shure that humans and monkeys live in Africa. why didnt they evolve? I don’t believe evolution or any thing that has to do with god should be tought in school. To me they are both theories that spark to much between people. If you want to learn about god go to church. and if the evolutionists want to teach students about it maybe they should open up there own places to teach there theory. i mean isn’t thumping evolution in a child’s face the same as thumping the bible. there both forcing views of other people on other people. how the world and its things should not be tought in PUBLIC schools. If u want to open a religious school go ahead if you want to open up a evolution school go ahead. public school is for every one and shouldn’t be controlled by one belief. America is a secular country and im glad i don’t want the pope to run the country. But really teaching only evolution is just as bad as the pope telling u what to believe. We shouldn’t be fighting about this anyway! theres more important things like world hunger aids and terrorism to deal with. End the end Christians and human evolutionist both agree that human life is the most important thing weather it be because of spiritual beliefs our the survival of the species. were all humans and we all need to help each other so if u believe our not god bless u all, and god bless the freedom of speech, and all the good people in the world who want to help other people. So for all u who read this thanks for reading and for all the negatives our positive feedback i get for writing this i thank u for using your rite to speak. ooh ya i rote this some what in a hurry but intellectually so if theirs some grammatic errors i didn’t have time to check for them.
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@ Tar…
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yes… i saw that a while ago. i was in tears over the report… hilarious
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“Australia still sounds cool, despite my mom’s warning of the inconsistent bathroom systems.”
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hahahaha… random. i wonder where your mum went in Aus.
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Yes, i’m sure there are many other nations that are less religious that mine. we just don’t seem to have that many nut jobs…
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@Jean Bart
It was Darwin himself who suggested that life most likely came from simpler and simpler organism. However, the Theory of Evolution, taken fundamentally, says nothing about this.
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Evolution says as follows:
1) Off-springs ALWAYS share some common trait with their parents. Said scientifically, any genes the off-springs inherits–most hopefully from the biological parents rather than a sneaky scientist who put in some jellyfish genes or something–is expressed in the off-spring.
2) Mutations randomly occurs, changing the off-spring significantly from their parents. Confirmed and proven, though mutation can be controlled, too.
3) Due to reason 2), Off-springs are often different from their parents. This part of the theory was modified because we HAVE found natural clones in our world, such as aphids.
4) Some Mutations have a better chance of living. Some actually worsens the chances of living. Some does neither. Again, confirmed and proven.
5) Because of the higher chances of living, mutations with neutral or advantages traits are more likely to live than disadvantages creatures, and thus, the disadvantages dies.’
6) The advantages and the neutrals can now give birth to new off-springs. Repeat step #1.
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No origins written here!
But to answer on of litigites questions, humans are STILL prone to and judged by Evolution, though we desperately defy it. The natural selection (in urban and suburban areas, not sure about rural) in the human environment is economics. In fact, the genius of the Darwin theory roots from human economics. There are some people who has incredible strength in making money, and they are often more likely to survive. Poor people, of course, are quite the opposite; they merely survive by an impulsive tactic of reproducing rapidly, whereas rich gives less birth. For this reason, more poor people dies than rich, partly because there’s more poor people, but mostly because poor people are unfit to the current economics. Economics, of course, can change (see: history of computers and electronics), and some poor people disposed to the change of economics may succeed better than a few rich disposed to the past. Changes in culture, and changes in survival rate. Darwin himself made that connections with other, primitive species, and found the concept to fit incredibly well with his data.
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living with whatever took visit or burnt, in a hollow rewarding snapping exploring every
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forts let it go. with whatever then.
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