Comments on: Polk County decides not to pursue Intelligent Design http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm Sat, 17 May 2008 15:03:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Maree http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-434712 Maree Wed, 07 May 2008 11:37:25 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-434712 I believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church has as much validity as that of the Christian Church. It has beliefs that cannot be disproved or approved of for that matter. And I thought Aussies were the only ones with such common sense. There are others out there! Hurrah I believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster Church has as much validity as that of the Christian Church. It has beliefs that cannot be disproved or approved of for that matter. And I thought Aussies were the only ones with such common sense. There are others out there! Hurrah

]]> By: Wench Nikkiee http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-386370 Wench Nikkiee Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:39:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-386370 MrMiami Mar 6th, 2008 at 6:42 am "doomed to mediocrity" As we are reading your posts Miami! Begone troll! Begone! *holds up garlic bread* MrMiami Mar 6th, 2008 at 6:42 am
“doomed to mediocrity”
As we are reading your posts Miami!
Begone troll! Begone!
*holds up garlic bread*

]]> By: m610 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-386120 m610 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:37:28 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-386120 Nice article. It must have been fun to live in that town while that was all happening. The best part, by far, is how they backed down knowing how it could all affect the economic prospects related to brining a campus and hopefully high-tech companies to the area. . I also read a number of the comments. It's so sad how many people still use the "just a theory" argument, among others. Nice article. It must have been fun to live in that town while that was all happening. The best part, by far, is how they backed down knowing how it could all affect the economic prospects related to brining a campus and hopefully high-tech companies to the area.
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I also read a number of the comments. It’s so sad how many people still use the “just a theory” argument, among others.

]]> By: MrMiami http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-327204 MrMiami Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:42:17 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-327204 @All . This is a shame that an evolutionary cosmological revelation is taught as science and there is no other counter thought. The future generations are doomed to mediocrity. @All
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This is a shame that an evolutionary cosmological revelation is taught as science and there is no other counter thought. The future generations are doomed to mediocrity.

]]> By: Grave http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-287585 Grave Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:24:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-287585 “They’ve made us the laughingstock of the world,”, no actually its a weird little guy that lives close to me hi bangs hes head against cruttons till the FSM comes... youtube it under lukazaz or ronda 1... its a 3 part video of a cell phone gathering... “They’ve made us the laughingstock of the world,”, no actually its a weird little guy that lives close to me hi bangs hes head against cruttons till the FSM comes… youtube it under lukazaz or ronda 1… its a 3 part video of a cell phone gathering…

]]> By: skinimini http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-284707 skinimini Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:19:50 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-284707 “They’ve made us the laughingstock of the world,”, No you do that all on your own, we just point it out to everyone else! It's sad to think that Christians are so blind they can't see the resemblance between themselves and Pastafarians...Open you mind, people!! It's what Jesus really wants... “They’ve made us the laughingstock of the world,”, No you do that all on your own, we just point it out to everyone else! It’s sad to think that Christians are so blind they can’t see the resemblance between themselves and Pastafarians…Open you mind, people!! It’s what Jesus really wants…

]]> By: jason the amazing whiteboy http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-279363 jason the amazing whiteboy Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:31:01 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-279363 @devout heathen: "The one that really took the biscuit is some nameless fool who disproved the Theory of Evolution by arguing that if it was proven, it would no longer be a theory. Losers the lot of them!" Good, that makes it the evolution fact. @devout heathen: “The one that really took the biscuit is some nameless fool who disproved the Theory of Evolution by arguing that if it was proven, it would no longer be a theory. Losers the lot of them!”
Good, that makes it the evolution fact.

]]> By: jack666 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-279225 jack666 Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:29:27 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-279225 When are these dolts going to learn that "theory" as in "theory of evolution, or relativity, or quantum mechanics or ..., does not mean "blind guess based on no thought whatever', and has no relationship to the word "theory" used by the guy sitting on his porch drinking cheap beer and saying "I got a theory about that." When are these dolts going to learn that “theory” as in “theory of evolution, or relativity, or quantum mechanics or …, does not mean “blind guess based on no thought whatever’, and has no relationship to the word “theory” used by the guy sitting on his porch drinking cheap beer and saying “I got a theory about that.”

]]> By: Devout Heathen http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278956 Devout Heathen Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:29:49 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278956 You know, I was reading the comments on the article, and it's just depressing. Argumentatum ad nauseam, ad nauseam. "Evolution is just a theory", "There is no proof for Evolution", "Here's a creationist website, go there to see all the long-discredited protests against Evolution being rephrased in the faint hope that this time someone will be convinced". . The one that really took the biscuit is some nameless fool who disproved the Theory of Evolution by arguing that if it was proven, it would no longer be a theory. Losers the lot of them! You know, I was reading the comments on the article, and it’s just depressing. Argumentatum ad nauseam, ad nauseam. “Evolution is just a theory”, “There is no proof for Evolution”, “Here’s a creationist website, go there to see all the long-discredited protests against Evolution being rephrased in the faint hope that this time someone will be convinced”.
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The one that really took the biscuit is some nameless fool who disproved the Theory of Evolution by arguing that if it was proven, it would no longer be a theory. Losers the lot of them!

]]> By: Wench Nikkiee http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278594 Wench Nikkiee Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:35:48 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278594 Eeeek...now there's two of them....!!! Eeeek…now there’s two of them….!!!

]]> By: Wench Nikkiee http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278553 Wench Nikkiee Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:16:43 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278553 @Veronique Jan 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm "but the fact that it is even mentioned in highly secular Australia is enough to concern me." . My thoughts and feelings exactly! (from a fellow Aussie :) RAmen Pandas Thumb...that reminds me... @BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm "Unfortunately, the debate is not only at the county level, as another part of the same article in St. Pete Times reports, At least one member of the state Board of Education has objected to the proposed standards. Donna Callaway told a religious newspaper in Jacksonville that evolution “should not be taught to the exclusion of other theories of the origins of life.” Additionally, Selena “Charlie” Carraway, program manager for the state Department of Education’s Office of Instructional Materials, has urged fellow Christians to fight the inclusion of evolution in the science curriculum. As a science teacher, we appreciate the recognition that the CFSM has brought, and encourage your members to post at the education blog, “The Gradebook”. At least one board member is reading the blog, as she responded to a post. Thanks!" . http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2007/12/boe-member-i-wa.html . @BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm I actually wrote this response to your post and posted it on about 28/29th DEC….I think I had too many links in it and it didn’t go. I decided not to repost it till now because I thought all the Pirates had well and truly earned a relaxing Holiday break from the school board/BoE creationist sales BS! . Well….anyway….the BoE science standards come up for the vote in Feb. (I think?) . My original post to BC @BC Yep! As the school board members allude to this in the OP article…. “The pro-intelligent design board members say they now recognize that the new standards are a state issue and there's nothing they can do about them, even if they'd like to.” . Coincidence that I'd previously missed, and just came across your post today. The Pandas Thumb, an impressive anti-creation/ID site had recently posted, (27th Dec.) reference and links of the CoFSM Polk County effort. :)) Among the comments following that post on PT were a couple of particular interest re the Florida BoE proposed science standards: . The second one (from the same poster) contains a link to a legal letter sent to the BoE from a Forida attorney, who specialises in religious liberty and constitutional law, requesting changes in the wording of the BoE’s proposed new science education standards. . http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/12/noodled-evoluti.html#comment-138651 . . Those members of the Florida Board of Education pushing to have ID included in the new State Science Standards also (probably more so) seriously need to be made aware of ALL of the alternative theories. RAmen @Veronique Jan 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
“but the fact that it is even mentioned in highly secular Australia is enough to concern me.”
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My thoughts and feelings exactly! (from a fellow Aussie :)
RAmen

Pandas Thumb…that reminds me…
@BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
“Unfortunately, the debate is not only at the county level, as another part of the same article in St. Pete Times reports,
At least one member of the state Board of Education has objected to the proposed standards. Donna Callaway told a religious newspaper in Jacksonville that evolution “should not be taught to the exclusion of other theories of the origins of life.”
Additionally, Selena “Charlie” Carraway, program manager for the state Department of Education’s Office of Instructional Materials, has urged fellow Christians to fight the inclusion of evolution in the science curriculum.
As a science teacher, we appreciate the recognition that the CFSM has brought, and encourage your members to post at the education blog, “The Gradebook”. At least one board member is reading the blog, as she responded to a post. Thanks!”
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http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2007/12/boe-member-i-wa.html
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@BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
I actually wrote this response to your post and posted it on about 28/29th DEC….I think I had too many links in it and it didn’t go. I decided not to repost it till now because I thought all the Pirates had well and truly earned a relaxing Holiday break from the school board/BoE creationist sales BS!
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Well….anyway….the BoE science standards come up for the vote in Feb. (I think?)
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My original post to BC
@BC
Yep!
As the school board members allude to this in the OP article….

“The pro-intelligent design board members say they now recognize that the new standards are a state issue and there’s nothing they can do about them, even if they’d like to.”
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Coincidence that I’d previously missed, and just came across your post today. The Pandas Thumb, an impressive anti-creation/ID site had recently posted, (27th Dec.) reference and links of the CoFSM Polk County effort. :))
Among the comments following that post on PT were a couple of particular interest re the Florida BoE proposed science standards:
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The second one (from the same poster) contains a link to a legal letter sent to the BoE from a Forida attorney, who specialises in religious liberty and constitutional law, requesting changes in the wording of the BoE’s proposed new science education standards.
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http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/12/noodled-evoluti.html#comment-138651
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Those members of the Florida Board of Education pushing to have ID included in the new State Science Standards also (probably more so) seriously need to be made aware of ALL of the alternative theories.
RAmen

]]> By: Wench Nikkiee http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278552 Wench Nikkiee Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:13:37 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-278552 @Veronique Jan 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm "but the fact that it is even mentioned in highly secular Australia is enough to concern me." . My thoughts and feelings exactly! (from a fellow Aussie) RAmen Pandas Thumb...that reminds me... @BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm "Unfortunately, the debate is not only at the county level, as another part of the same article in St. Pete Times reports, At least one member of the state Board of Education has objected to the proposed standards. Donna Callaway told a religious newspaper in Jacksonville that evolution “should not be taught to the exclusion of other theories of the origins of life.” Additionally, Selena “Charlie” Carraway, program manager for the state Department of Education’s Office of Instructional Materials, has urged fellow Christians to fight the inclusion of evolution in the science curriculum. As a science teacher, we appreciate the recognition that the CFSM has brought, and encourage your members to post at the education blog, “The Gradebook”. At least one board member is reading the blog, as she responded to a post. Thanks!" . http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2007/12/boe-member-i-wa.html . @BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm I actually wrote this response to your post and posted it on about 28/29th DEC….I think I had too many links in it and it didn’t go. I decided not to repost it till now because I thought all the Pirates had well and truely earned a relaxing Holiday break from the school board/BoE creationist sales BS! . Well….anyway….the BoE science standards come up for the vote in Feb. (I think?) . My original post to BC @BC Yep! As the school board members allude to this in the OP article…. “The pro-intelligent design board members say they now recognize that the new standards are a state issue and there's nothing they can do about them, even if they'd like to.” . Coincidence that I'd previously missed, and just came across your post today. The Pandas Thumb, an impressive anti-creation/ID site had recently posted, (27th Dec.) reference and links of the CoFSM Polk County effort. :)) Among the comments following that post on PT were a couple of particular interest re the Florida BoE proposed science standards: . The second one (from the same poster) contains a link to a legal letter sent to the BoE from a Forida attorney, who specialises in religious liberty and constitutional law, requesting changes in the wording of the BoE’s proposed new science education standards. . http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/12/noodled-evoluti.html#comment-138651 . . Those members of the Florida Board of Education pushing to have ID included in the new State Science Standards also (probably more so) seriously need to be made aware of ALL of the alternative theories. RAmen @Veronique Jan 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
“but the fact that it is even mentioned in highly secular Australia is enough to concern me.”
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My thoughts and feelings exactly! (from a fellow Aussie)
RAmen

Pandas Thumb…that reminds me…
@BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
“Unfortunately, the debate is not only at the county level, as another part of the same article in St. Pete Times reports,
At least one member of the state Board of Education has objected to the proposed standards. Donna Callaway told a religious newspaper in Jacksonville that evolution “should not be taught to the exclusion of other theories of the origins of life.”
Additionally, Selena “Charlie” Carraway, program manager for the state Department of Education’s Office of Instructional Materials, has urged fellow Christians to fight the inclusion of evolution in the science curriculum.
As a science teacher, we appreciate the recognition that the CFSM has brought, and encourage your members to post at the education blog, “The Gradebook”. At least one board member is reading the blog, as she responded to a post. Thanks!”
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http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2007/12/boe-member-i-wa.html
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@BC Dec 19th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
I actually wrote this response to your post and posted it on about 28/29th DEC….I think I had too many links in it and it didn’t go. I decided not to repost it till now because I thought all the Pirates had well and truely earned a relaxing Holiday break from the school board/BoE creationist sales BS!
.
Well….anyway….the BoE science standards come up for the vote in Feb. (I think?)
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My original post to BC
@BC
Yep!
As the school board members allude to this in the OP article….

“The pro-intelligent design board members say they now recognize that the new standards are a state issue and there’s nothing they can do about them, even if they’d like to.”
.
Coincidence that I’d previously missed, and just came across your post today. The Pandas Thumb, an impressive anti-creation/ID site had recently posted, (27th Dec.) reference and links of the CoFSM Polk County effort. :))
Among the comments following that post on PT were a couple of particular interest re the Florida BoE proposed science standards:
.
The second one (from the same poster) contains a link to a legal letter sent to the BoE from a Forida attorney, who specialises in religious liberty and constitutional law, requesting changes in the wording of the BoE’s proposed new science education standards.
.
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/12/noodled-evoluti.html#comment-138651
.
.
Those members of the Florida Board of Education pushing to have ID included in the new State Science Standards also (probably more so) seriously need to be made aware of ALL of the alternative theories.
RAmen

]]> By: Veronique http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-277495 Veronique Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:24:31 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-277495 I have just found out about this via Panda's Thumb. I have to congratulate all your members on keeping such a vigilant eye on the insidious infiltration of ID into American science classrooms. I am Australian and a grandmother who sees this poverty-ridden cousin of creationism starting to pop its head up in Australia. I doubt that it will get a foothold, but the fact that it is even mentioned in highly secular Australia is enough to concern me. You have my support in all your endeavours. Well done. I have just found out about this via Panda’s Thumb. I have to congratulate all your members on keeping such a vigilant eye on the insidious infiltration of ID into American science classrooms.
I am Australian and a grandmother who sees this poverty-ridden cousin of creationism starting to pop its head up in Australia. I doubt that it will get a foothold, but the fact that it is even mentioned in highly secular Australia is enough to concern me.
You have my support in all your endeavours. Well done.

]]> By: neal http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-276603 neal Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:12:34 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-276603 Just saw a piece by Christain Amanpour called "God's Warriors". In it she interviewed Falwelll in the last week of his life (he didn't know it then, but he would be found dead at his desk in a few days). He was fat as a pig, and he railed against the usual targets. Funny how he neglected to mention gluttony as a sin. (It's one of the seven capital sins, as those of us who come form a religious background know) Anyway, in this the last week of his life, he explained to Chritianne how he fantasized Chelsea Clinton would come to interview him and ask him the three things he feared most in the future. His answer: "Osama, Obama, and yo mamma." Imagine that. Here he was nearly dead of gluttony induced heart failure and all he could fantasize about was disrespectding the daughter of an ex-president, by dissing her mother. Then these people talk about how they are hated by the secular establishment--as if it is without cause when they take gratituitous shots at people who aren't even asking them their opinion. Naturally he took no ownership for the mess in Iraq, the damage Bush/Cheney have done to the US constitution, the illegal surveillence of American they conduct, the $3.00 a gallon gasoline they ushered in, the bogus threat inflation on Iran, the numerous scandals of Bush, et al. After all, what could be worse than Chelsea's momma. Nothing. Unless it's Chelsea's momma straightening out Bush's mess and setting the country on the right course. The success of Hillary or any reasonably moderate scandal-free democrat would drive a stake through the heart of the right wing like nothing else and Falwell knew it. Just saw a piece by Christain Amanpour called “God’s Warriors”. In it she interviewed Falwelll in the last week of his life (he didn’t know it then, but he would be found dead at his desk in a few days). He was fat as a pig, and he railed against the usual targets. Funny how he neglected to mention gluttony as a sin. (It’s one of the seven capital sins, as those of us who come form a religious background know)

Anyway, in this the last week of his life, he explained to Chritianne how he fantasized Chelsea Clinton would come to interview him and ask him the three things he feared most in the future.

His answer: “Osama, Obama, and yo mamma.” Imagine that. Here he was nearly dead of gluttony induced heart failure and all he could fantasize about was disrespectding the daughter of an ex-president, by dissing her mother. Then these people talk about how they are hated by the secular establishment–as if it is without cause when they take gratituitous shots at people who aren’t even asking them their opinion. Naturally he took no ownership for the mess in Iraq, the damage Bush/Cheney have done to the US constitution, the illegal surveillence of American they conduct, the $3.00 a gallon gasoline they ushered in, the bogus threat inflation on Iran, the numerous scandals of Bush, et al.

After all, what could be worse than Chelsea’s momma. Nothing. Unless it’s Chelsea’s momma straightening out Bush’s mess and setting the country on the right course. The success of Hillary or any reasonably moderate scandal-free democrat would drive a stake through the heart of the right wing like nothing else and Falwell knew it.

]]> By: Fra Fusilli http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-276540 Fra Fusilli Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:47:13 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-276540 Alleluia! to the FSM. Keep up the good work brethren. Alleluia! to the FSM. Keep up the good work brethren.

]]> By: Noodly0ne http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-274411 Noodly0ne Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:32:38 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-274411 yay! yay!

]]> By: JC http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272745 JC Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:34:11 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272745 I think was a victory as well, but not in the same way as everyone else. This is a victory FOR Polk County Kids and a MAJOR VICTORY for the school board. They've prooven (at least to me) that they are not completely retarded. I know that is not nice to say. Let me rephrase in PC-speak: I think some members of the school board have pulled their heads out of their medieval asses. Still too harsh? How about this? The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has enlightened the school board. HOOORAAAHMEN!! I think was a victory as well, but not in the same way as everyone else. This is a victory FOR Polk County Kids and a MAJOR VICTORY for the school board. They’ve prooven (at least to me) that they are not completely retarded. I know that is not nice to say.
Let me rephrase in PC-speak:
I think some members of the school board have pulled their heads out of their medieval asses.
Still too harsh? How about this?
The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has enlightened the school board.

HOOORAAAHMEN!!

]]> By: charlie http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272733 charlie Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:16:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272733 this santa baby is a lot of garbage... lets just remember that the earth was created by him and we form him and what a joke the humanity is.... god is a spirit this santa baby is a lot of garbage… lets just remember that the earth was created by him and we form him and what a joke the humanity is…. god is a spirit

]]> By: GodisSantaforAdults http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272571 GodisSantaforAdults Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:29:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272571 I live in Tampa and I wanted to thank you all for stopping this BS called ID. Religion has no place in science class. As someone who was brainwashed to believe the bible to be literally true, I applaud your god, the spagetti monster. Please remember, when you pray to jesus , you aree only talking to yourself. Have a great day, Santa I live in Tampa and I wanted to thank you all for stopping this BS called ID. Religion has no place in science class. As someone who was brainwashed to believe the bible to be literally true, I applaud your god, the spagetti monster.

Please remember, when you pray to jesus , you aree only talking to yourself.

Have a great day,
Santa

]]> By: neal http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272398 neal Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:14:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/22/polk-county-3.htm#comment-272398 @Captain Noodle. Usually when I talk about Bush and election there is a parenthetical remake to the effect of (if you can call it that). Sorry for the omission. @Captain Noodle. Usually when I talk about Bush and election there is a parenthetical remake to the effect of (if you can call it that). Sorry for the omission.

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