Comments on: Pinellas County School Board supports Intelligent Design http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/ Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:22:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Clayy93 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-505152 Clayy93 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:54:08 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-505152 Wow, I remember back in June of 07 when I used to follow this websites articles daily. Now, one year later, I'm looking at what has been posted since then and I am just now learning that my home town (county) was being criticized! Thank You! I moved from that awful place last August and now I'm really happy I did. And now just hearing this makes me even more glad I moved from there. Amazing!So screw you Pinellas County! Wow, I remember back in June of 07 when I used to follow this websites articles daily. Now, one year later, I’m looking at what has been posted since then and I am just now learning that my home town (county) was being criticized! Thank You! I moved from that awful place last August and now I’m really happy I did. And now just hearing this makes me even more glad I moved from there. Amazing!So screw you Pinellas County!

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]]> By: BlackBard http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-498267 BlackBard Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:03:36 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-498267 Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. I hardly know where to start. For the sake of argument, I am going to grant that some entity named 'God' exists, even though we all know that to be false. The FSM is the only one and true living creator. But, I digress...... . Your notion that God made us to love him is so confused! Let me try to help you think this through. You said "God made us to love him, but if we are to really have the opportunity to love him we must also have the opportunity to not love him." If God gave us the opportunity to either love him or not, then we were not made to love him. We were created (made) to decide for ourselves. Since God gave us free well to decide for ourselves, then whichever way we decide is in accordance with the will of God because we would be performing according to his purpose. If we make a choice that God does not like, that is his fault, not ours. No harm, no foul. No "sin" here. . You said, "Follow me here. So you say that a loving creator would not allow so much evil in the world, but he does just because he loves us. He respects us enough to let us make our own decisions cause he knows we’re capable." I know just how you feel. I can feel the love now, as thousands of children starve in Africa. When that earth quake struck China, I could just feel the love when all those people died. I am sure they all felt the love, too. . Now you follow me here. If any parent treated his or her children the way your God treats his, any clear thinking human being would condemn that behavior. Children have free will, too, but no loving parent would allow his or her child to run out into traffic. Clearly, your God does not care about his children. . I strongly recommend that you read "The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster." You will find a much tastier religion than the one you now have. And, in case you do not find that it suits you, we have a 30 day no obligation guarantee. You can quit the Church of the FSM and go back to your old time religion. They will take you back. . RAmen Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. I hardly know where to start. For the sake of argument, I am going to grant that some entity named ‘God’ exists, even though we all know that to be false. The FSM is the only one and true living creator. But, I digress……
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Your notion that God made us to love him is so confused! Let me try to help you think this through. You said “God made us to love him, but if we are to really have the opportunity to love him we must also have the opportunity to not love him.” If God gave us the opportunity to either love him or not, then we were not made to love him. We were created (made) to decide for ourselves. Since God gave us free well to decide for ourselves, then whichever way we decide is in accordance with the will of God because we would be performing according to his purpose. If we make a choice that God does not like, that is his fault, not ours. No harm, no foul. No “sin” here.
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You said, “Follow me here. So you say that a loving creator would not allow so much evil in the world, but he does just because he loves us. He respects us enough to let us make our own decisions cause he knows we’re capable.” I know just how you feel. I can feel the love now, as thousands of children starve in Africa. When that earth quake struck China, I could just feel the love when all those people died. I am sure they all felt the love, too.
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Now you follow me here. If any parent treated his or her children the way your God treats his, any clear thinking human being would condemn that behavior. Children have free will, too, but no loving parent would allow his or her child to run out into traffic. Clearly, your God does not care about his children.
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I strongly recommend that you read “The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.” You will find a much tastier religion than the one you now have. And, in case you do not find that it suits you, we have a 30 day no obligation guarantee. You can quit the Church of the FSM and go back to your old time religion. They will take you back.
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RAmen

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]]> By: Cappy Caine http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-498228 Cappy Caine Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:14:59 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-498228 @ Stephen Morse: . You are right in your assertion that we each need to challenge our realities and learn for ourselves what truth is. The problem is that the debate of creationism vs. evolution has been fought so many times, the evidence is so overwhelming, nay, damningly in favor of evolution, that the study of human origin becomes one of an economy of speculation. If something has a .000000000000001 percent probability of being accurate, then why would I spend my entire life so vehemently trying to prove it is truth (answer: wishful thinking)? Creationists fail to study the record and in turn seek out new explanations (usually recycled - ID is just the latest iteration of this fallacious thinking) for why god created us in his image. It is time for you to move on. It is time for this debate to move on. The only thing creationists have come up with in the last 200 years is an appeal to emotion (God loves us, you will be rewarded, you are going to hell if you don't believe this, etc.) to counter very rational, logical and evidentiary arguments in favor of evolution. The Theory of Evolution is validated time and again by various fields of study: anthropological, psychological, biological, geological. The mere fact that there are still large gaps - portions of the record that we have yet to discover - in no way gives you the right to arbitrarily insert your ill-fitting god. I assure you that if you continue to do so, this will only prolong your ignorance and guarantee the day where you will yet again have to pick up and move your god into a different, dark corner of human ignorance as we are enlightened by scientific knowledge. I appeal to you to have the mental discipline to recognize your own intransigence and take some of your own advice that you so imploringly dish out. - RAmen @ Stephen Morse:
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You are right in your assertion that we each need to challenge our realities and learn for ourselves what truth is. The problem is that the debate of creationism vs. evolution has been fought so many times, the evidence is so overwhelming, nay, damningly in favor of evolution, that the study of human origin becomes one of an economy of speculation. If something has a .000000000000001 percent probability of being accurate, then why would I spend my entire life so vehemently trying to prove it is truth (answer: wishful thinking)? Creationists fail to study the record and in turn seek out new explanations (usually recycled – ID is just the latest iteration of this fallacious thinking) for why god created us in his image. It is time for you to move on. It is time for this debate to move on. The only thing creationists have come up with in the last 200 years is an appeal to emotion (God loves us, you will be rewarded, you are going to hell if you don’t believe this, etc.) to counter very rational, logical and evidentiary arguments in favor of evolution. The Theory of Evolution is validated time and again by various fields of study: anthropological, psychological, biological, geological. The mere fact that there are still large gaps – portions of the record that we have yet to discover – in no way gives you the right to arbitrarily insert your ill-fitting god. I assure you that if you continue to do so, this will only prolong your ignorance and guarantee the day where you will yet again have to pick up and move your god into a different, dark corner of human ignorance as we are enlightened by scientific knowledge. I appeal to you to have the mental discipline to recognize your own intransigence and take some of your own advice that you so imploringly dish out.
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RAmen

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]]> By: Benny The Ball http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-498067 Benny The Ball Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:46:21 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-498067 This page is set out in such a way that members of the school board will be able to understand the difference between the 'Theory' of Evolution and Intelligent Design. http://www.kobrascorner.info/opine/evolution-is-a-fact.php This page is set out in such a way that members of the school board will be able to understand the difference between the ‘Theory’ of Evolution and Intelligent Design.

http://www.kobrascorner.info/opine/evolution-is-a-fact.php

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]]> By: Benny The Ball http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-497712 Benny The Ball Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:28:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-497712 I understand what you are saying Stephen/Steve but I already do all of those things without the need to worship Jesus. I also believe that any intelligent person realises that those traits are the best to exercise throughout life and should not need to worship anyone in order to do so. I'm sure you must have known that too before seeing a psychologist. What you have unwittingly have done here though is state that you must have been going through a hard time and therefore feeling a little weak. This is precisely what the Church and religion feed on. They snap up the vunerable who are struggling with life. If worshipping Jesus however makes you feel good then that is fine and I have no problem with that. You should not try, however, to push your beliefs onto anybody else. As for Intelligent Design, I'm sorry but it is nothing but Creationism by another name. I challenge you to watch a video on the Creationist Museum and afterwards still think it is science or indeed sense. I find it hilarious. P.S Keep a look out for the vegetarian T-Rex standing behind Adam. He's my favourite. Glad you are feeling better though. Take care. I understand what you are saying Stephen/Steve but I already do all of those things without the need to worship Jesus. I also believe that any intelligent person realises that those traits are the best to exercise throughout life and should not need to worship anyone in order to do so. I’m sure you must have known that too before seeing a psychologist. What you have unwittingly have done here though is state that you must have been going through a hard time and therefore feeling a little weak. This is precisely what the Church and religion feed on. They snap up the vunerable who are struggling with life. If worshipping Jesus however makes you feel good then that is fine and I have no problem with that. You should not try, however, to push your beliefs onto anybody else.

As for Intelligent Design, I’m sorry but it is nothing but Creationism by another name. I challenge you to watch a video on the Creationist Museum and afterwards still think it is science or indeed sense. I find it hilarious. P.S Keep a look out for the vegetarian T-Rex standing behind Adam. He’s my favourite. Glad you are feeling better though. Take care.

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]]> By: Stephen Morse http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-497308 Stephen Morse Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:17:06 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-497308 could you please post my last comment as just being written by Steve and not Stephen Morse, please, thanks. could you please post my last comment as just being written by Steve and not Stephen Morse, please, thanks.

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]]> By: Stephen Morse http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-497305 Stephen Morse Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:15:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-497305 Suppose we were all robots without free will. I suppose we could be programmed to never "sin," but nor could you take pride in your accomplishments any more than a Dodge Viper can claim superiority over it's engineers. We all have choices in life, and unfortunately we don't always make the right ones, but when we do, Man! does it feel good! You know what I'm talking about, when you take a risk and it pays off. Well, God made us to love him, but if we are to really have the opportunity to love him we must also have the opportunity to not love him. Follow me here. So you say that a loving creator would not allow so much evil in the world, but he does just because he loves us. He respects us enough to let us make our own decisions cause he knows we're capable. His love for us is especially shown by God manifesting himself as Jesus and suffering through all men's decisions not to love and dying for our sins. Yes, there is suffering and tons of crap in the world, but there is also great beauty and comfort. If you have experienced more of the former than the latter, then I am sorry, life can be hard. But please consider this advice that a Counselor/Psychologist friend once gave me. Stop worrying about what you can't control (the crap that you experience day in and day out) and start worrying about what you change, the way you act towards others. Return love for hate, turn the other cheek, go two miles when only forced to go one! See if it doesn't change your outlook on life! If you want to keep worshiping the FSM, feel free to, but I know Jesus died for my sins and that's why I worship him. If you want to as well, feel free, but be warned, he will change your life! So anyway, any of you that really think ID is so erroneous, I challenge you to read/see some literature or a video by an ID scientist. Then read something by a leading evolutionist. Challenge everything! Suppose we were all robots without free will. I suppose we could be programmed to never “sin,” but nor could you take pride in your accomplishments any more than a Dodge Viper can claim superiority over it’s engineers. We all have choices in life, and unfortunately we don’t always make the right ones, but when we do, Man! does it feel good! You know what I’m talking about, when you take a risk and it pays off. Well, God made us to love him, but if we are to really have the opportunity to love him we must also have the opportunity to not love him. Follow me here. So you say that a loving creator would not allow so much evil in the world, but he does just because he loves us. He respects us enough to let us make our own decisions cause he knows we’re capable. His love for us is especially shown by God manifesting himself as Jesus and suffering through all men’s decisions not to love and dying for our sins. Yes, there is suffering and tons of crap in the world, but there is also great beauty and comfort. If you have experienced more of the former than the latter, then I am sorry, life can be hard. But please consider this advice that a Counselor/Psychologist friend once gave me. Stop worrying about what you can’t control (the crap that you experience day in and day out) and start worrying about what you change, the way you act towards others. Return love for hate, turn the other cheek, go two miles when only forced to go one! See if it doesn’t change your outlook on life! If you want to keep worshiping the FSM, feel free to, but I know Jesus died for my sins and that’s why I worship him. If you want to as well, feel free, but be warned, he will change your life!

So anyway, any of you that really think ID is so erroneous, I challenge you to read/see some literature or a video by an ID scientist. Then read something by a leading evolutionist. Challenge everything!

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]]> By: TheFewTheProudTheMarinara http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-491872 TheFewTheProudTheMarinara Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:45:58 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-491872 Kids have it so easy these days! If they can get away with teaching ID in science classes because "humans are so complex there must be some supernatural intervention here", then what's to stop someone in say a math class stating that they TRULY believe the answer to an absurdly complex equation MUST be 7.4 and they would be truly offended if anyone said otherwise. Then refute any "proof" the instructor proposed as the work of the devil. Kids have it so easy these days! If they can get away with teaching ID in science classes because
“humans are so complex there must be some supernatural intervention here”, then what’s to stop
someone in say a math class stating that they TRULY believe the answer to an absurdly complex equation MUST be 7.4 and they would be truly offended if anyone said otherwise. Then refute any
“proof” the instructor proposed as the work of the devil.

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]]> By: Royce http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-491481 Royce Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:29:02 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-491481 Dear Pinellas County, Ms. Bostock, Ms. O'Shea, Ms. Gallicco and Ms. Cook, Intelligent Design or any variation of it is not part of science. Evolution is part of science. It can be tested. What can we conclude from the evidence is science. Yet "Intelligent Design" states, here is the conclusion, and it's complex, therefore it must have been done by a supreme god. It is shocking that you would classify "beliefs" such as in gods and devils as part of science. Learn what science is before you put your myths into the mix. If you still believe that evolution needs to be challenged, with "belief" aka "a supreme god", then provide the answer, just how many "supreme gods" created everything? For how do you know it's only one god? If you mix "Intelligent Design" into the class, then why is your "belief" being used? Because I hear that "SCIENTOLOGY" holds up better in a science class than the Christian-Judo god. Dear Pinellas County, Ms. Bostock, Ms. O’Shea, Ms. Gallicco and Ms. Cook,

Intelligent Design or any variation of it is not part of science.

Evolution is part of science. It can be tested. What can we conclude from the evidence is science.

Yet “Intelligent Design” states, here is the conclusion, and it’s complex, therefore it must have been done by a supreme god.

It is shocking that you would classify “beliefs” such as in gods and devils as part of science.

Learn what science is before you put your myths into the mix.

If you still believe that evolution needs to be challenged, with “belief” aka “a supreme god”, then provide the answer, just how many “supreme gods” created everything? For how do you know it’s only one god?

If you mix “Intelligent Design” into the class, then why is your “belief” being used? Because I hear that “SCIENTOLOGY” holds up better in a science class than the Christian-Judo god.

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]]> By: Benny The Ball http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-490135 Benny The Ball Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:40:23 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-490135 This is a case for da dara da da daaaa The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Let's blow another school board away. This is a case for da dara da da daaaa The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Let’s blow another school board away.

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]]> By: Ex-Pope Benedict XVI http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-490087 Ex-Pope Benedict XVI Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:49:26 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-490087 I preach infallibly of a new religion. Pastafarianism. The Flying Spaghetti Monster, not Jesus, is the true God. I will convert the Catholic Church immediately to Pastafarianism. Those who do not believe are to be excommunicated. I dedicate the world, the saints, and the Holy Church to the Sacred Sauce of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Ramen. I preach infallibly of a new religion. Pastafarianism. The Flying Spaghetti Monster, not Jesus, is the true God. I will convert the Catholic Church immediately to Pastafarianism. Those who do not believe are to be excommunicated. I dedicate the world, the saints, and the Holy Church to the Sacred Sauce of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Ramen.

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]]> By: Benny The Ball http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-485621 Benny The Ball Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:11:19 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-485621 To the members of Pinellas County School Board. Europe is laughing at you. It is people such as yourselves that are responsible for the reputation Americans have of being stupid. Shame on you. It is no wonder so many US citizens have aquired this unenviable reputation if Americas educational establishments are run by the like of yourselves. Quite frankly, it is disturbing. Long live the FSM. To the members of Pinellas County School Board. Europe is laughing at you. It is people such as yourselves that are responsible for the reputation Americans have of being stupid. Shame on you. It is no wonder so many US citizens have aquired this unenviable reputation if Americas educational establishments are run by the like of yourselves. Quite frankly, it is disturbing. Long live the FSM.

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]]> By: Ciaochowbella http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-479497 Ciaochowbella Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:20:07 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-479497 Question to just any old body..... Why can't evolution be the TOOL of the creator(s)? For many years I've pondered why it has to be so black/white. There are religious beliefs to back up the IDEA that evolution COULD BE the tool of the creator(s). For example, Christianity teaches that it is impossible to measure the length of Jehovah's day. If this is so, then why is it not possible that Jehovah has a 8 billion year long day? If this HYPOTHESIS is possible, then it is possible that Jehovah used evolution as the tool of creation. The Hindu belief of the Universe being an never ending cycle of birth, life, death, and rebirth can also be observed in the big bang theory. As far as being descended from pirates, this is not only likely, but DOCUMENTED. In which case, it's just as valid a belief system as any other. I now consider myself an eclectic Pagan Pastafarian. RAmen. Question to just any old body…..

Why can’t evolution be the TOOL of the creator(s)? For many years I’ve pondered why it has to be so black/white.

There are religious beliefs to back up the IDEA that evolution COULD BE the tool of the creator(s). For example, Christianity teaches that it is impossible to measure the length of Jehovah’s day. If this is so, then why is it not possible that Jehovah has a 8 billion year long day? If this HYPOTHESIS is possible, then it is possible that Jehovah used evolution as the tool of creation.

The Hindu belief of the Universe being an never ending cycle of birth, life, death, and rebirth can also be observed in the big bang theory.

As far as being descended from pirates, this is not only likely, but DOCUMENTED. In which case, it’s just as valid a belief system as any other.

I now consider myself an eclectic Pagan Pastafarian.

RAmen.

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]]> By: TheFewTheProudTheMarinara http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-477554 TheFewTheProudTheMarinara Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:40:40 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-477554 Secondary schools (and religion) are only the beginning! If we are to open our minds to all possibilities, despite the absence of ANY proof, why are medical students not exposed to the idea that "humours" in the blood are to blame for mental deficiencies? Think how much we could save by shuttering insane asylums! Just slap some leeches to the temples of the mentally feeble and let 'em go! Secondary schools (and religion) are only the beginning! If we are to open our minds
to all possibilities, despite the absence of ANY proof, why are medical students not exposed
to the idea that “humours” in the blood are to blame for mental deficiencies? Think how much
we could save by shuttering insane asylums! Just slap some leeches to the temples of the
mentally feeble and let ‘em go!

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]]> By: alchemist http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-469910 alchemist Fri, 30 May 2008 18:24:01 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-469910 Plain and simple .....ID is NOT science. For an excellent review of this fact read the Dover decision transcripts. Even the "experts " for ID admitted that the foundations of science would have to be changed to allow ID to "pose" as science, and that such changes would make other non-scientific enterprises ( astrology, tarot card reading, necromancy, etc. ), equally acceptable. There is no evidence whatever for ID other than personal accounts from ages long ago. As has been shown in numerous cases eye-witness testimony is among the least reliable "evidence " I doubt any of these ID supporters would want to go to trial with their life on the line and want evidence as flimsy as that for ID used in the prosecution's case. Indeed there is at least as much "evidence" for the flying spaghetti monster or other alien interventions in human life as ID. Much to the chagrin of IDers and oters of their ilk..Science is not a democracy....facts and data are facts and data..like it or not. Until the time IDers can come up with a testable hypothesis, collect and analyze data from double blind experiments, to allow critical assessment of their "theory " then ID will remain as it is ....pseudoscience at best . Plain and simple …..ID is NOT science. For an excellent review of this fact read the Dover decision transcripts. Even the “experts ” for ID admitted that the foundations of science would have to be changed to allow ID to “pose” as science, and that such changes would make other non-scientific enterprises ( astrology, tarot card reading, necromancy, etc. ), equally acceptable. There is no evidence whatever for ID other than personal accounts from ages long ago. As has been shown in numerous cases eye-witness testimony is among the least reliable “evidence ” I doubt any of these ID supporters would want to go to trial with their life on the line and want evidence as flimsy as that for ID used in the prosecution’s case. Indeed there is at least as much “evidence” for the flying spaghetti monster or other alien interventions in human life as ID. Much to the chagrin of IDers and oters of their ilk..Science is not a democracy….facts and data are facts and data..like it or not. Until the time IDers can come up with a testable hypothesis, collect and analyze data from double blind experiments, to allow critical assessment of their “theory ” then ID will remain as it is ….pseudoscience at best .

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]]> By: Her Excellency http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-453446 Her Excellency Wed, 21 May 2008 03:30:04 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-453446 Seriously? I go to a Catholic school and they teach evolution Seriously? I go to a Catholic school and they teach evolution

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]]> By: Chris T http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-438083 Chris T Sat, 10 May 2008 03:45:54 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-438083 I'm going to be calling these folks in the morning/Monday morning to spread the noodly goodness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! :-D I’m going to be calling these folks in the morning/Monday morning to spread the noodly goodness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! :-D

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]]> By: Al http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-429698 Al Mon, 05 May 2008 16:15:00 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-429698 Here's my letter to the Board, tailored (with the appropriate quote they've made) for each one. Hope it's not too late to get the Glorious Word out ... Greetings. I am writing to you from Switzerland, as a European Pastafarian. May I applaud your open-mindedness in supporting the teaching of Creationism (crossed out) Intelligent Design in the schools of your area. It is always good to hear of someone bravely challenging the Theory of Evolution, despite the fact that Evolution is supported by a vast amount of evidence. We believers should never let a bit (or even a lot) of evidence get in the way of our faith. As you state: “The entire theory of evolution is not scientific fact. Intelligent design balances it out.” Indeed it does. And, in turn, the Pastafarian beliefs balance out both of them. The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is spreading widely in the academic communities in the USA, and throughout the world. This glorious Gospel needs to be heard more widely. Your students need the facts so they can decide the truth! I realise that you may take this amiss, coming as it does from outside the States. But please remember that true faith knows no boundaries. Even as I write there are Christian missionaries from the States working in far-flung corners of the world. We Pastafarians are similarly reaching out to non-believers across international borders with the Good News of his Noodly Appendage. It would be so wonderful if you would support not only the teaching of the Theory of Evolution, and the beliefs of Creationism (crossed out) Intelligent Design in your schools, but also the beliefs of us Pastafarians. Then your students would get a truly balanced view. May His Noodly Appendage touch you, and guide you in this brave decision of yours. With my best wishes, Here’s my letter to the Board, tailored (with the appropriate quote they’ve made) for each one.

Hope it’s not too late to get the Glorious Word out …

Greetings. I am writing to you from Switzerland, as a European Pastafarian.

May I applaud your open-mindedness in supporting the teaching of Creationism (crossed out) Intelligent Design in the schools of your area. It is always good to hear of someone bravely challenging the Theory of Evolution, despite the fact that Evolution is supported by a vast amount of evidence. We believers should never let a bit (or even a lot) of evidence get in the way of our faith.

As you state:

“The entire theory of evolution is not scientific fact. Intelligent design balances it out.”

Indeed it does. And, in turn, the Pastafarian beliefs balance out both of them.

The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is spreading widely in the academic communities in the USA, and throughout the world. This glorious Gospel needs to be heard more widely. Your students need the facts so they can decide the truth!

I realise that you may take this amiss, coming as it does from outside the States. But please remember that true faith knows no boundaries. Even as I write there are Christian missionaries from the States working in far-flung corners of the world. We Pastafarians are similarly reaching out to non-believers across international borders with the Good News of his Noodly Appendage.

It would be so wonderful if you would support not only the teaching of the Theory of Evolution, and the beliefs of Creationism (crossed out) Intelligent Design in your schools, but also the beliefs of us Pastafarians. Then your students would get a truly balanced view.

May His Noodly Appendage touch you, and guide you in this brave decision of yours.

With my best wishes,

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]]> By: Alex http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-416665 Alex Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:10:17 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-416665 Henry, You can't equate a scientific theory (such as gravity, relativity (specific and general), evolution, etc... ) to the common use of the word theory which in scientific terms is a "hypothesis", at best. It has less to do with having an open mind (as you stated) and more to do with when do we as a responsible sociological group draw the line as to what we teach? If we want to teach hypothosis than we must not be selective. I could postulate that my hand is being guided about the keyboard at this very moment by His noodly appendage. Can you refute that? No. I would imagine that all of my Pastifarian bretheren can sense the truthiness of my words, though you might call it my own personal hypothesis. ID is selective in it's teaching of Faith (I'm sorry, I know you believe it to be science...), but doesn't it kinda discredit all of the other religions as well (WHAT!? you don't want to teach Budism, Hinduism or any of the polytheistic religions?)? If you want to stop teaching evolution because of your faith, where do we draw the line? When it no longer becomes inconvenient to your belief system? Well next we'll have someone into numerology that has a problem with Math and we'll have to teach BOTH numerology and math. Ok, fine. Let's do it. Just for fun, lets take a look at young Timmys NEW schedule =) 8:00 English 9:00 Math 10:00 Intelligent Design 11:00 Voodoo!!!! 1200 Lunch 1:00 Numerology++ 2:00 Science (covering ALL of the science to include biology, chemistry, geology etc... and of course evolution) (did I forget Music and Art? Oh right, they've been dropped from the curriculum due to all of the competing 'disciplines') Finally at 3:00 Timmy hops on the bus, excitedly chatting with all of his classmates about his upcomming field trip to Salem, MA and his upcomming inquistion project which is due next week! I feel that your "word" has spread quite well without the use of our federally funded school system. There is such a thing as secularity. Oh wait a minute, He has not guided you to read the first ammendment, has He? Henry,
You can’t equate a scientific theory (such as gravity, relativity (specific and general), evolution, etc… ) to the common use of the word theory which in scientific terms is a “hypothesis”, at best. It has less to do with having an open mind (as you stated) and more to do with when do we as a responsible sociological group draw the line as to what we teach? If we want to teach hypothosis than we must not be selective. I could postulate that my hand is being guided about the keyboard at this very moment by His noodly appendage. Can you refute that? No. I would imagine that all of my Pastifarian bretheren can sense the truthiness of my words, though you might call it my own personal hypothesis. ID is selective in it’s teaching of Faith (I’m sorry, I know you believe it to be science…), but doesn’t it kinda discredit all of the other religions as well (WHAT!? you don’t want to teach Budism, Hinduism or any of the polytheistic religions?)? If you want to stop teaching evolution because of your faith, where do we draw the line? When it no longer becomes inconvenient to your belief system? Well next we’ll have someone into numerology that has a problem with Math and we’ll have to teach BOTH numerology and math. Ok, fine. Let’s do it. Just for fun, lets take a look at young Timmys NEW schedule =)

8:00 English
9:00 Math
10:00 Intelligent Design
11:00 Voodoo!!!!
1200 Lunch
1:00 Numerology++
2:00 Science (covering ALL of the science to include biology, chemistry, geology etc… and of course evolution)

(did I forget Music and Art? Oh right, they’ve been dropped from the curriculum due to all of the competing ‘disciplines’)

Finally at 3:00 Timmy hops on the bus, excitedly chatting with all of his classmates about his upcomming field trip to Salem, MA and his upcomming inquistion project which is due next week!

I feel that your “word” has spread quite well without the use of our federally funded school system. There is such a thing as secularity. Oh wait a minute, He has not guided you to read the first ammendment, has He?

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]]> By: Marc http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas/#comment-408108 Marc Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:05:54 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/19/pinellas-county-school-board-supports-intelligent-design.htm#comment-408108 Not at all, Henry. What they are all saying is that they see ID as a valid 'scientific' theory that can be taught alongside evolution. It is not someone's belief in ID that upsets the scientific community, but the idea that it is science, where it is clearly not. Please see Greg's letter above for how to get more information. Not at all, Henry.

What they are all saying is that they see ID as a valid ’scientific’ theory that can be taught alongside evolution. It is not someone’s belief in ID that upsets the scientific community, but the idea that it is science, where it is clearly not. Please see Greg’s letter above for how to get more information.

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