Comments on: A distinction http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:40:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mike Trainor http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-465605 Mike Trainor Tue, 27 May 2008 21:11:22 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-465605 >> FSM is simply putting a mirror up in front of you. The fact that the picture is silly is the basic point. There's not a whole lot more of a humane approach than giving you the opportunity to see yourself as we see you. Treat yourself better. Replace what's at the core of your self-identity with something that is real and healthy and fun. When the symbol of your religion is a device used to torture people to death, can't you see there's a problem? >>

FSM is simply putting a mirror up in front of you. The fact that the picture is silly is the basic point. There’s not a whole lot more of a humane approach than giving you the opportunity to see yourself as we see you.

Treat yourself better. Replace what’s at the core of your self-identity with something that is real and healthy and fun.

When the symbol of your religion is a device used to torture people to death, can’t you see there’s a problem?

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]]> By: Jimmie D http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-283672 Jimmie D Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:23:10 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-283672 Religion does deny logic and reasoning. If I could logically determine that there is a god it wouldn't be called faith, it would be called truth. Religion does deny logic and reasoning. If I could logically determine that there is a god it wouldn’t be called faith, it would be called truth.

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]]> By: expie http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-270298 expie Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:12:28 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-270298 "implies that the religious view denies logic and reasoning wholesale." I thought religious belief was based on faith, hence devoid of a provable, factual basis and unable to be proven or disproven logically. "You’re dealing with something that, more than being a “precious belief” per se, is an important part of many people’s identity. Many define themselves, not just peripherally, but primarily as “Christians.” Attacking that belief system without at least giving it some hint of respect or sensitivity..." I show Christians the same respect I show any dangerously deluded, well armed and powerful insane idiot. “implies that the religious view denies logic and reasoning wholesale.”
I thought religious belief was based on faith, hence devoid of a provable, factual basis and unable to be proven or disproven logically.

“You’re dealing with something that, more than being a “precious belief” per se, is an important part of many people’s identity. Many define themselves, not just peripherally, but primarily as “Christians.” Attacking that belief system without at least giving it some hint of respect or sensitivity…”

I show Christians the same respect I show any dangerously deluded, well armed and powerful insane idiot.

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]]> By: PYRETTE http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-269923 PYRETTE Tue, 25 Dec 2007 21:43:51 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-269923 Ryan; If i define myself primarily as a small raspberry pudding i bet you would attack THAT belief system without any hint of respect or sensitivity. When criticising the core of a person’s sanity it’s important to be blunt. Ryan;

If i define myself primarily as a small raspberry pudding i bet you would attack THAT belief system without any hint of respect or sensitivity.

When criticising the core of a person’s sanity it’s important to be blunt.

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]]> By: Swedish Meatball http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-265807 Swedish Meatball Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:23:16 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-265807 I'll say that the basic morality in the New Testament to some part is of use. But that's about it as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not referring to the Ten Commandments here. I'm against killing people only because of once own fundamental beliefs, in fact I'm mostly against killing people in general... Depends a bit on which side of the bed I wake up though. I’ll say that the basic morality in the New Testament to some part is of use. But that’s about it as far as I’m concerned. And I’m not referring to the Ten Commandments here.

I’m against killing people only because of once own fundamental beliefs, in fact I’m mostly against killing people in general… Depends a bit on which side of the bed I wake up though.

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]]> By: Beau http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-262336 Beau Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:26:31 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-262336 The only thing that gets me is that, you would like us to "be a little more humane" but their are christian churches that promote death to Iraq soldiers, gays, and victims of aids, and even September 11th. I think it is safe to say that FSM is more humane then godhatesfags.com which is a christian church. We've never wished death upon people, or have been happy of the death of anyone. The only thing that gets me is that, you would like us to “be a little more humane” but their are christian churches that promote death to Iraq soldiers, gays, and victims of aids, and even September 11th. I think it is safe to say that FSM is more humane then godhatesfags.com which is a christian church. We’ve never wished death upon people, or have been happy of the death of anyone.

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]]> By: DelvenMelven http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-260556 DelvenMelven Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:32:56 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-260556 HA, but you attack the creator and subsequently the followers of this "religion" (its actually a protest)- so you infact are saying that you consider yourself an imbecile- Touche' Ps- go cry elsewhere HA, but you attack the creator and subsequently the followers of this “religion” (its actually a protest)- so you infact are saying that you consider yourself an imbecile- Touche’
Ps- go cry elsewhere

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]]> By: JS http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259835 JS Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:50:04 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259835 @Yellow Beard- That's exactly what I was thinking. Good point. @Yellow Beard- That’s exactly what I was thinking. Good point.

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]]> By: blumentopferde http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259530 blumentopferde Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:28:09 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259530 that's the typical (especially american) sledge hammer in religious discussion: don't critisize anything because you might hurt somebody's feelings (any might get sued for that). don't critisize nazis because if they find out that the aryan race neither exists nor is superiour to other human beings it might destroy their whole concept of life. don't critisize scientologists because it might hit their bank accounts (and of course their religious feelings) if people find out that they're just exloiting people with the single aim to gain money and power, don't make fun of creationism because some people obvioulsy like to believe that bullshit, and most of all: don't ever have an opinion and don't make fun of anything, no matter how absurd it seems to you! somebody might worship the absurd and be critically traumatized by what you're saying thinking or suspecting! cheers, blumentopferde that’s the typical (especially american) sledge hammer in religious discussion: don’t critisize anything because you might hurt somebody’s feelings (any might get sued for that). don’t critisize nazis because if they find out that the aryan race neither exists nor is superiour to other human beings it might destroy their whole concept of life. don’t critisize scientologists because it might hit their bank accounts (and of course their religious feelings) if people find out that they’re just exloiting people with the single aim to gain money and power, don’t make fun of creationism because some people obvioulsy like to believe that bullshit, and most of all: don’t ever have an opinion and don’t make fun of anything, no matter how absurd it seems to you! somebody might worship the absurd and be critically traumatized by what you’re saying thinking or suspecting!
cheers, blumentopferde

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]]> By: neal http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259351 neal Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:28:59 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259351 Imagine the furor it will cause when someone gets elected and decides to take the oath of office on the Book of FSM! Imagine the furor it will cause when someone gets elected and decides to take the oath of office on the Book of FSM!

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]]> By: Tori http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259315 Tori Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:27:46 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259315 Our teacher brought in a newspaper article about FSM today. When he started reading it I laughed because I had known about FSM for over a year now. There were many kids in our class who said it was a stupid idea, that he was making fun of some people's actual beliefs, and other expected responses. I tried to explain the situation to them, because they obviously did not listen to the article our teacher was reading, they would not listen. Religion is not for the science classroom! My school has a World Religion class every other year for students who are interested in learning about religion. I plan on taking it next year. Our teacher brought in a newspaper article about FSM today. When he started reading it I laughed because I had known about FSM for over a year now. There were many kids in our class who said it was a stupid idea, that he was making fun of some people’s actual beliefs, and other expected responses. I tried to explain the situation to them, because they obviously did not listen to the article our teacher was reading, they would not listen. Religion is not for the science classroom! My school has a World Religion class every other year for students who are interested in learning about religion. I plan on taking it next year.

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]]> By: St. Arrrrgyle http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259211 St. Arrrrgyle Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:54:40 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259211 Who will be the first elected official to be sworn in on the Gospel of the FSM? Who will be the first elected official to be sworn in on the Gospel of the FSM?

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]]> By: El Peatieablo http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259188 El Peatieablo Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:46:56 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259188 @My Own First Mate "I know it’s a bit off subject, but here goes. Does anyone else think that “ID” looks like an emoticon symbolizing an extremely happy Xylon (a robot in Battlestar Galactica)? Just thought I’d ask." . It does sort of look like that, but cylons don't have mouths (well the centurions anyway). I like to think that Adama shot the cylon so that it looked like it was smiling. . While we're on the subject of cylons, does anybody else think that fundies are kinda like them? I mean, they take their belief in god way too seriously, seem to like killing anything different that them, and they just don't know when to give up. @My Own First Mate
“I know it’s a bit off subject, but here goes. Does anyone else think that “ID” looks like an emoticon symbolizing an extremely happy Xylon (a robot in Battlestar Galactica)? Just thought I’d ask.”
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It does sort of look like that, but cylons don’t have mouths (well the centurions anyway). I like to think that Adama shot the cylon so that it looked like it was smiling.
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While we’re on the subject of cylons, does anybody else think that fundies are kinda like them? I mean, they take their belief in god way too seriously, seem to like killing anything different that them, and they just don’t know when to give up.

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]]> By: BW022 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-259129 BW022 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:23:25 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-259129 Actually there is no difference between parody and ridicule. . par·o·dy (pr-d) KEY . NOUN: pl. par·o·dies . A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. . The FSM did not decend from the great sauce for purely comedic effect. Thus, the main point is to ridicule the creationists/ID movement, it's followers, and their belief systems. Saying not to use parody to ridicule people is saying that one can only use it for comedy. Sorry, there is a serious point to the FSM -- and that is to make fun of those in the ID movement. . No... it isn't nice. However, perhaps it gives folks a glimps of what classrooms would be like it ID (or any other religious teachings) go in. If an adult finds FSM parody of their religious believes bad, imagine what a Jewish, atheist, Mormon, Roman Catholic, devil worshipper, etc. teacher, textbook, administrator, other students, etc., etc. could do with more serious attacked on your religious beliefs -- aimed directly at your children in a captive setting, without you being there, for two hours a day for nine months of the year for six years? . However, there is an easy way to prevent this from happening... don't put your religious views into public schools. Your children will be safe from FSM worshippers parodying your religious views in classrooms and everyone elses children will be safe from yours. Actually there is no difference between parody and ridicule.
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par·o·dy (pr-d) KEY
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NOUN: pl. par·o·dies
. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule.
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The FSM did not decend from the great sauce for purely comedic effect. Thus, the main point is to ridicule the creationists/ID movement, it’s followers, and their belief systems. Saying not to use parody to ridicule people is saying that one can only use it for comedy. Sorry, there is a serious point to the FSM — and that is to make fun of those in the ID movement.
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No… it isn’t nice. However, perhaps it gives folks a glimps of what classrooms would be like it ID (or any other religious teachings) go in. If an adult finds FSM parody of their religious believes bad, imagine what a Jewish, atheist, Mormon, Roman Catholic, devil worshipper, etc. teacher, textbook, administrator, other students, etc., etc. could do with more serious attacked on your religious beliefs — aimed directly at your children in a captive setting, without you being there, for two hours a day for nine months of the year for six years?
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However, there is an easy way to prevent this from happening… don’t put your religious views into public schools. Your children will be safe from FSM worshippers parodying your religious views in classrooms and everyone elses children will be safe from yours.

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]]> By: Pluto http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-258998 Pluto Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:32:02 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-258998 @ My Own First Mate- “Does anyone else think that “ID” looks like an emoticon symbolizing an extremely happy Xylon (a robot in Battlestar Galactica)?” . Now that you mention it, it dose look like a happy Christian! Look ‘ID’ his eyes are tightly shut and he has a big gormless smile! @ My Own First Mate- “Does anyone else think that “ID” looks like an emoticon symbolizing an extremely happy Xylon (a robot in Battlestar Galactica)?”
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Now that you mention it, it dose look like a happy Christian! Look ‘ID’ his eyes are tightly shut and he has a big gormless smile!

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]]> By: neal http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-258643 neal Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:07:21 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-258643 As we become an increasingly pluralistic nation, it is going to become harder and harder for the xtain right wing to maintain we are a Xtian nation. The flap about a congressman taking the oath of office on a Queran instead of a bible is a classic example of the sense of entitlement these people exhibit. If someone want to swear on the book of Mormon or the writing of Bhudda or Confucius, we should all be saying one thing to the Christian right wing---GET OVER IT! As we become an increasingly pluralistic nation, it is going to become harder and harder for the xtain right wing to maintain we are a Xtian nation. The flap about a congressman taking the oath of office on a Queran instead of a bible is a classic example of the sense of entitlement these people exhibit. If someone want to swear on the book of Mormon or the writing of Bhudda or Confucius, we should all be saying one thing to the Christian right wing—GET OVER IT!

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]]> By: Pluto http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-258313 Pluto Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:47:39 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-258313 @Yellow Beard – I know of at least one evangelical Christian who loves gays (Yes it’s Haggard again) ! And don’t forget the Catholics who encourage the molestation of little boys by covering the incidents up and continuing to employ the perpetrator. @Yellow Beard – I know of at least one evangelical Christian who loves gays (Yes it’s Haggard again) ! And don’t forget the Catholics who encourage the molestation of little boys by covering the incidents up and continuing to employ the perpetrator.

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]]> By: My Own First Mate http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-257959 My Own First Mate Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:23:46 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-257959 I know it's a bit off subject, but here goes. Does anyone else think that "ID" looks like an emoticon symbolizing an extremely happy Xylon (a robot in Battlestar Galactica)? Just thought I'd ask. Noodles I know it’s a bit off subject, but here goes. Does anyone else think that “ID” looks like an emoticon symbolizing an extremely happy Xylon (a robot in Battlestar Galactica)? Just thought I’d ask.

Noodles

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]]> By: Yellow Beard http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-257810 Yellow Beard Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:39:57 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-257810 "Attacking that belief system without at least giving it some hint of respect or sensitivity is akin to mocking a person’s chosen lifestyle, personality, or preferences as not just different but illogical and wrong." How about Christian's attack of homosexuals? “Attacking that belief system without at least giving it some hint of respect or sensitivity is akin to mocking a person’s chosen lifestyle, personality, or preferences as not just different but illogical and wrong.”

How about Christian’s attack of homosexuals?

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]]> By: neal http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction/#comment-257683 neal Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:33:26 +0000 http://www.venganza.org/2007/12/05/a-distinction.htm#comment-257683 @Pluto. Isn't it disturbing that these Christian megachurches have their own armed security forces. Apparantly, they expect trouble . This particular church had as its former poster Closet homosexual and gay baiter, Ted Haggerd. They apparantly expect armed confrontation and have armed themselves to prepare for it. If a democrat wins, and we get a few centrist justices appointed, it would not be unreasonable to expect some of these evangelicals to attempt an assasination of either the president or of those justices. Beware. Something tells me these people will be unbelievably sore losers. @Pluto. Isn’t it disturbing that these Christian megachurches have their own armed security forces. Apparantly, they expect trouble . This particular church had as its former poster Closet homosexual and gay baiter, Ted Haggerd. They apparantly expect armed confrontation and have armed themselves to prepare for it. If a democrat wins, and we get a few centrist justices appointed, it would not be unreasonable to expect some of these evangelicals to attempt an assasination of either the president or of those justices. Beware. Something tells me these people will be unbelievably sore losers.

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