NOVA’s most recent program is about the Intelligent Design debate over the last few years. They’ve put together an excellent companion website, and as of November 16th, you can watch the entire program online - I highly recommend it. NOVA always does a fantastic job on their programs and this is no exception.
My one criticism is that they neglected to mention the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s role in the Intelligent Design vs Science debate.
@ Pluto, or how he forgot the meaning of the word hypocrit. I’m pretty sure it’s in the bible somewhere that hypocracy is bad, obviously not as bad as admitting that sexual preference is something you’re born with, but anyway.
I remember the other ministers had a talk with him, when they came out they said he had been cured of his homosexuality!
Do you think he sucked them all off too?
@storm petrel- “or how he forgot the meaning of the word hypocrit.”
No I think he was following the example of his deity. The one who wants the unconditional love of every one in the world, but won’t give the same in return.
You’d have to wonder, if god was real, how many mental illnesses he’d be diagnosed with.
I posted it on another thread…hahahaha
@Pluto - I got the web cam thingy working! Ha! I am so fucking smart….
@ storm petrel - well, on the grounds that god can do and be everything all at once, how about all of them. Patricularly the ones that contradict each other (agrophobia and claustrophobia, for example). Might explain some of the general mixed-up-ness of the fundies, anyway.
Ahhh…Ted Haggard!
Just reminded me…haven’t posted or watched this for a while (:))
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Dawkins Versus Haggard: the Python Edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEcEwPszfrE
@Pluto–”I remember the other ministers had a talk with him, when they came out they said he had been cured of his homosexuality!
Do you think he sucked them all off too?”
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Wouldn’t surprise me.
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Also @ Pluto–they’re pitching a fit about apples? Seriously, couldn’t they at least freak about a more suggestive fruit, like bananas?
I remember that. Haggard is such a stropy bitch.
On another note, I haven’t watched this clip yet, (just came across it), but have been following the postings and comments on movie blog here and there.
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Expelled’ Movie: The Extended Trailer
http://richarddawkins.net/article,1878,Expelled-Movie-The-Extended-Trailer,RichardDawkinsnet
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The movie blog is…ummm…*interesting*…for want of a better word!! Very heated discussions and it appears an endless stream of rabid fundies posting there. :)
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Last post by Ben Stein on the blog:
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Darwinism: The Imperialism of Biology?
http://expelledthemovie.com/blog/2007/10/31/darwinism-the-imperialism-of-biology/
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These type of posts and the subsequent discussions have been running hot there for the past few months.
Is it possible this blog is a clever media wind up for a satirical movie on ID? Or is that just wishful thinking?
@ rmw- Or a pair of melons?
Pluto
“I remember that. Haggard is such a stropy bitch.”
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Yeah :))
@ Wench Nikkiee- Re: http://expelledthemovie.com/blog/2007/10/31/darwinism-the-imperialism-of-biology/
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I have posted my two pages just now! Must get back to my Pam’s e-mail now
Apparently my post is “Awaiting Moderation”. Once again they need the opportunity to censor what they don’t like, wile On the CoFSM anyone can post what they want to!
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For the sake of ego here it is (actually cos I hate the idea of spending time writing something and it not being seen!).
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Pluto Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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November 20th, 2007 at 10:21 am
Wow some real idiots on here.
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So you want a little evidence of evolution?
Try this: The fossil record! We can see the steps between life forms. We have fossils of animal that bear characteristics of fish and amphibians, amphibians and reptiles, reptiles with mammal like reptiles EST. I wont bore you with details just look in a museum! The fact (and this one is a fact, the fossil record shows what was even if you ignore links to what comes later) that there weren’t any flowers before pollinating insects?
You seem to lack a basic grasp of biology.
If all this is to confusing or distressing for you (you may have a phobia of museums) then go to your nearest farm. Do these animal, who are totally unsuited to life in the wild, bear resemblance to there wild cousins. Only in general physical out line. A domestic sheep will become trapped if it try’s to clime a cliff face when a wild one would leap effortlessly up it. Look at the cow that is to fat to run compared with a lean and fast ox.
If you don’t see what I’m getting at then let me explain to you, or better yet ask a farmer.
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You see these animals have been bread to have these characteristics by humans. Their ancestors were selectively bread to have more meat and to be easier to handle. Animals with desired characteristics were allowed to breed and pass them on. Those without were killed and normally eaten.
This is un-natural selection. Because humans pick what they want.
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Evolution is ‘Natural’ selection, where the environmental factors weed ok those poorly adapted to their environment.
To use an example: The lion will catch and kill the slowest member of the heard. This individual will not pass on its genetics. The ones that get away will! With me so far?
The farmer will pick the bull that produces the young with the most meat and let it bread. The rest will be castrated or slaughtered, so won’t be able to breed and pass on their geans.
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The same is true for dog, race hoarse and fish breeders. That’s why there are fish and dogs for sale that are as remote from their forbearers as to be unrecognisable. The best part about the comparison with dogs and fish is that breeders document what they do.
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More? How about he second chromosome pair in humans? The one that shows it was originally two separate pairs (luckily we can identify the codes that identify the beginning middle and end of every chromosome of every living thing on earth) The pairs show the correct codes at ether end plus 2 extra ‘end’ bits in the middle and an extra ‘middle’ bit in each too, this shows that it was once two pairs that merged I.E. changed over time. And that’s what evolution is.
You’re ignoring genetic defect and hereditary conditions. You are fools.
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Now to the matter of “Intelligent Design”. Going back to the fossil record there are species in the record that are not here now. I’m not talking about one or two species but whole ecosystems of life that are gone now. Plus none of the animals around today existed 40 million years ago. However animal with similar characteristics were around. Would one of you care to explain? Did your ‘Designer’ change its mind and replace things with new designs?
More importantly, who/what is your designer?
I don’t need a detailed account, just something along the lines of how I pointed out environmental conditions effect the organism in that environment.
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Now to the thing I find most disturbing: Why is it that supporters of Intelligent Design have all have religious links, even the ones who have lied about it and been found out later. How about ‘Of people and Panders’ where the unedited version (before a particular court case) had Creationism (a religious term) replaced with Intelligent Design?
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This is what this is really about: An attack on modern science by an archaic institution.
These scientists aren’t taken seriously because they have yet to show credible evidence.
Don’t get me wrong: Evolution is only a theory. But it fits in with the working of the world and the available evidence. Intelligent design requires you to ignore the evident in front of you.
See, classic religion!
Hug and Kisses
Pluto
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Pluto Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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November 20th, 2007 at 10:39 am
I’d like tocorrect myself Re:”Plus none of the animals around today existed 40 million years ago” This is not true, there are a hand full of “living Fosills” around today such as deep sea hag words, trops est.
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Anything eles anyone feels I should mention?
Not that I expect they’ll listen, but did you fancy having a go at explaining early hominid evolution to them Pluto? Or even evidence of evolution in modern humans. Mind you, last time I tried that one (explaining the fact that the human form hasn’t adjusted to being upright yet, hence the fact that the pelvis is the wrong shape, making pregnancy and labour much more dangerous than it is inother animals) I was told that it was the pain was a punishment from this all-loving god for Eve doing something wrong, which tends to be a bit of a conversation stopper.
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Mind you - please don’t take this as criticism of what you did write, which covers all sorts of wonderful subjects, and I’m awed by your willingness to take this debate to them.
@Jennyanydots- I think we have to. Like you said most of what I’ve written will be ignore. Sure this is basic stuff that is overlooked but still a very important point. (Especially the farm animals bit because you can’t deny that without looking like and idiot) If I can make just one of them think about it then I’ve done a good job, because by thinking about it they open their mind to an alternative way of thinking and might just start questioning the absurdity of it all.
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It’s like the guy with the dinosaur above. He use scraps of science (such as mentioning sedimentary rocks) but throws in total lies (IE the earth being 6000 years old and T-Rex being an herbivore).
I think there are those well aware that they are in the wrong, but feel the need to at least pretend to keep up appearances (i.e. Haggard).
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Whether or not a made a difference I tried, which is all I can do.
Notice I was quite restrained with my insults too!
Good Job, babe!
I CONVERTED ONE OF MY FRIENDS!!!!
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I’m a converterer! haa! Do I get a medal for my first conversion?
I usually tend to find human evolution is the real stumbling block. Just because that’s the bit they really don’t want to accept, they grasp around to argue against the whole thing, or sometimes say they can accept it for other animals but people were created intact and haven’t changed since. Requires some fairly tortured logic there, which is why most of them go for the “it’s all wrong” approach, but was slightly concerned that the NOVA website (and I haven’t read it all, or watched the programme, so apologies if this came across better in one of the bits I haven’t seen) seems to have focused very heavily on everything but the evidence for human evolution, as if to make it more palatable to the wavering fundies.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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