The BBC reports that the while the US is one of the most religious countries in the west, it is undergoing a period of doubt.
It may be daring to say it but America seems to be experiencing an atheist moment. Although “In God We Trust” was declared the national motto by an act of Congress more than 50 years ago and has been stamped on the currency for longer than that, some considerable doubt has developed of late.
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More than anything, people without faith hate the description of them as empty or soulless. They have long been singled out for a special kind of hell.
The constitution of the state of Texas, for example, allows discrimination against atheists in employment or jury duty – provisions that have been nullified by federal laws.
And even my mother used to lower her voice in the kind of whisper reserved for people with terminal brain cancer when she described a neighbour as…. an atheist.
Non-believers say they have also been aided by the revulsion of fair-minded Americans to the religious zealotry behind the September 11 attacks and the subsequent violence on behalf of radical Islam.
You can read the entire article here: here.
Haven’t read the article yet, but it sounds promising. Something to lift the mood a little for this morning.
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Simply the fact that such an openly secular article (not demonising the atheists etc.) shows how far we in Europe have come on the path to a wholly secular society.
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Good article. I do have to object to atheists being referred to as a religion. We are not united by any belief other than we have none. We have varied view points on the world and not all are the same or even remotely alike in some cases. But we discuss these things and will point out flaws in arguments and revise our ideas when confronted with new information. We do not threaten each other with violence, wag war or evoke hell fire. We don’t claim god is on our side in a conflict wile the other side does the same. If god is routing for both sides then he just wants slaughter!
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I call Cheesecake! mmhhh
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Personally I don’t care if because I am an athiest they refer to me as souless…what is a soul? Isn’t it something made up by the religious? If a soul means I am cognizant or self-aware, then I guess I have a soul. If it means that it is something that is supernatural and goes on forever to be tortured or lifted to some form of heaven, well excuse me while I do some projectile vomitting.
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I agree with the author, things do seem to be lightening up a little, but as Carl Sagan stated in the Demon Haunted World, humanity is one step away from the dark ages. If something like 9/11 can send the nation into a dizzying spin of zealotry, can you imagine what can happen if all the lights were to go out?
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Take a look at today’s latest and greatest TV shows. There are literally dozens of shows about finding ghosts and spirits. If that isn’t all about pandering to the superstitious side of the human psyche, I don’t know what is.
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As long as the majority of us carbon-based life forms can be suckered in by a ghost story or two, we will always be susceptible to faith, religion and all the accoutrements and devastation that comes with it.
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The article is pretty good. I get toothpaste.
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@ Iron Bess- I thought a soul was something you walked on?
I’d use it as a metaphor more than anything else. And I’m certainly not without metaphor!
I was reading one of your other posts. Yes it is sad the 4christsake left, I liked him. He actually made an effort to argue intelligently, even if his thinking was based on an inherent flaw.
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@Pam- Cheese cake huh? I’ll see what I can do.
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Is the Texas part true? Fuck, the US doesn’t end with the surprises for me.
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Stop with the god deal, they still haven’t noticed that it only brings violence and hatred.
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Hell, no hell for me…it is too hot and I already live in a tropical country.
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@Pluto. I didn’t like him, he attacked me because he was mad at you and he couldn’t make a valid argument to reufute what you were telling him.
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Bah, there should be schools out there that do not include religion in their curriculum. I would be glad to put my kids-to-be there. I bet they will become better persons without judging people because they don’t believe in a so-called god.
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My grandma tells me that I will go to hell cuz I don’t care about church. and I tell her that I won’t go to hell cuz it is too hot.
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I see what you’re getting at Bess, we get it on the sci fi channel in England; Ghost whisper, median and the like. However some of us can tell the difference between fact and fiction so shouldn’t worry about zombies and vampires. Not being able to tell the difference would indicate mental illness. In that view the US should hold a grad meeting of all the members of all the Christian faiths in one of the shitter states (I won’t play the naming game, but they know who they are) and quickly build a wall around the whole lot and declare it the world’s biggest asylum ever!
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@ PacificPam (IF)- I remember, but we all ridiculed him for it. Besides what does it matter what he thinks, we all know you’re lovely and that’s what counts baby.
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@Pluto. Yay, Cheesecake!.
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@Iron Bess. I think there is no such thing called soul. I was trying to sell it but it seems that it is not that important. No one wanted to buy it. I even told them it was brand new! I called god and the devil, none of the two answered.
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I have lived a godless life for a while. And let me tell you, the mistakes that I have made were because my lack of judgement. The ammendments to them are due to the fact that I grew up, that I developed my sense of judgement, not because I went to a church and confesses all of my sins (a priest will die in that moment …no, Pluto?) and I prayed 10 times. Why do they thinkg they are the center of the universe? They have all that money that they can put into ending hunger, into studies to discover the cure for so many diseases, into my fund to go see Pluto.
Look at the fucking pope, he has so much money…if he knew he was a person that worked for a foundation that didn’t fill its pockets only, he wouldn’t be moving around in that secured car (sorry I don’t remember the word).
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Yes, I feel a lot of hatred towards them and I don’t feel bad about it. If they were doing the right stuff, they wouldn’t be rich…they’d rather live a life of humbleness and do as much as they can to make this world better. I am not talking about giving people free foor, rather giving them the education and the tools and resources so they can grow and harvest their future.
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Fuck, I am mad. Do you have that cheesecake for me, Pluto?
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Sigmund Freud predicted that as civilization progresses, religion will dissipate… here… lemme find that somewhere…
“Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires.” –Sigmund Freud, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis,1933.
“Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis.” –Sigmund Freud, The Future of an Illusion, 1927
“Religion is an attempt to get control over the sensory world, in which we are placed, by means of the wish-world, which we have developed inside us as a result of biological and psychological necessities. [...] If one attempts to assign to religion its place in man’s evolution, it seems not so much to be a lasting acquisition, as a parallel to the neurosis which the civilized individual must pass through on his way from childhood to maturity.” –Sigmund Freud, Moses and Monotheism, 1939
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But, now that I think about it, I don’t see what this article has to do with the FSM, we aren’t atheist, we’re Pastafarian!
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Hahahahaha Hey, Pluto…I watched your videos, I almost died! They were fun!
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@Deelawn – well kudos for Sigmund, learn something new every day.
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@Pacific Pam – everyone lives a godless life, every day of their lives. There is no such thing as god. So good, bad or in between, it is all about our choices. I hope you really don’t believe that it should be up to the churches of the world to give education and charity to the poor and needy. When that happens, that education comes with a price, that price is called Faith.
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@Pluto – the idea is not that they can’t tell the difference, the idea is that they are so close to believing, that anything will push them over the brink. Ghosts, goblins, vampires, god…it is all the same crap. (By the way, SOLE, is something that you walk on. Soul is a make believe creation of the religious.)
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@Iron Bess. I don’t believe that it is up to them. They claim that they are good people, but instead they are filling their pockets with the faith of sutpid people that believe in what they say.
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@Pacific Pam – filled my dear, filled (past tense). I don’t believe the church is all that much powerful these days. The money they have now, is money left over from hundreds of years of thievery. I believe (I hope)the catholic church is rapidly diminishing. Thanks to pedophile priests, media attention and the lack of new indoctrinees, it is losing its power and money base.
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@Iron Bess. hahahahaah I thought I wrote something incorrectly. Well that is true what you say.
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I was watching a South Park episode last night and they were showing catholic priests with kids tied on a leash! I was like that is so funny, yet so not right!
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May the noodly one fill my pockets with tons of beer stamps.
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And Cheese cake
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Just a comment on “soul”. I’d propose that ALL LIVING CREATURES – to a greater or lesser degree – share our inner experiences of joy, fear, anger, love, kindness, and perhaps more abstract experiences as well, and, therefore, share the makings of whatever a “soul” is with us humans. So, perhaps, “soul” is evolving together with our bodies.
I think that it’s true that – after the English got over their fury and dismay at Darwin’s evolutionary heresies – they recovered their senses and came to realize that the Modern Englishman stood at the top of the evolutionary pyramid, with Lesser Races occupying a subservient position, LOFLMAO.
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@Keep the baby, Faith – I think you are confusing soul with self awareness.
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Bess- “By the way, SOLE, is something that you walk on. Soul is a make believe creation of the religious” really? Do tell! (Yes that one was actual a play on words for a change rather than an actual mistake. Guess I should be prepared for it with my track record). Back to the TV bit, we have this show called Most Haunted with a guy called Collin Fry. People think the sun shines out his arse, even though an investigative reporter set him up and proved him a liar.
They took Collin to a house and told him about an old man who was murdered there.
So he stars “channelling the dead” being possessed by the old man an shit when the journo tells him it was all a lie and that to his knowledge no-one had ever died on the actual property. The look on the guys face, priceless.
But they still let the cunt do shows. Last one I saw he was in Egypt “channelling” dead kings. He would say a bunch of shit, you know the sort “I keep hearing a name”, even though none of the dead kings spoke ancient Egyptian. Then the local guild would say that it was, as far as they knew, true. This was supposed to be proof the guy is psychic, rather then proof he can read a history book!
I guess some people would rather believe a proven lie than embrace the truth.
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@ Keep the baby, Faith- And how many shrooms have you eaten?
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“Look at the fucking pope, he has so much money…if he knew he was a person that worked for a foundation that didn’t fill its pockets only, he wouldn’t be moving around in that secured car (sorry I don’t remember the word).”
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I think the word you are looking for is “Popemobile”, which is probably one of the best words ever. Should we make a “Bobby Hendersonmobile”? It could have a canon on top; I like canons.
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@ Pluto – something that sounds very similar, with bad psychics looking at Egyptian sites is discussed here – http://badarchaeology.net/news/latest.php
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That link takes you to the latest article on the site. If you happen to visit after they’ve gone and written something new, it’s under the Bad Method link on the left. This one’s that Derek whatshisname presenting it, and the show being fairly well trashed by a couple of archaes.
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@ EP – example of effective “faith” in action. The Popemobile has bulletproof glass.
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@Pluto – sorry my apologies, for soul and sole.
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Shows like that make me wig-out, can you say gullible? It’s like the fundies in the states. Over and over and over the TV Evangelists keep falling off the sin wagon and getting caught stealing, screwing, fraud(ing), lying, generally fucking up over and over and over again, then the idiot fundies keep giving them money and forgiving them. Of course that goes wayyyyyy beyond gullible and right smack into stupid.
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@Iron Bess
In fact, I was probably equating “soul” and self-awareness, but that could be wrong and you right.
@Pluto
Shrooms (if you’re referring to mushrooms) are an important component of spaghetti sauce. If you’re referring to a delusion-inducing vegetable alkaloid (?) of some sort, none. My delusions are self-induced, heehee. Hope my proposition didn’t really irritate you.
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ha! BobbyHendersonmobile!
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@Pluto:
My friends and I *L*O*V*E* watching “Most Haunted”. I was personally devastated when they took Derek off; it was almost a drinking game, waiting for him to get revved up with some wild, semi-coherent tale of sordid misery and murder, all during which a small ticker ran across the bottom of the screen:
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“…THERE HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE DISCOVERED TO SUPPORT THAT AN ELIZABETH LIVED HERE…”
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and after which he would get possessed by random resident entities and start barking like mad (partial Brit pun, ha!) or saying even crazier things in interesting voices, and then require a hug from the cameraman to recover. It was great fun!!!
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Perhaps what he was sensing there — in the dark with the ‘nostril-cam’ — was the Touch of His Noodly Appendages…
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@Pluto
Oh! If you took umbrage at my comment about Englishmen, I do – truly – apologize for insensitivity. The remark was really aimed at the too-human foibles of all of us.
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Hey, I’m not a foible…What is a foible…that doesn’t sound nice!
I would really appreciate if you can help me expand my vocabulary =)
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@ Pam – foible
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— ORIGIN French, obsolete form of Old French fieble ‘feeble’.
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I quite like the idea of being a foible myself.
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Um hi never posted befor and was going through the articals and as a former athiest myself now Pastafarian for two years I dont find there words of america to true and more of a genrelization of people who speak out about such things. My parents and everyone I know racist in any way those who are its all religion and really in response to the 9-11 attacks thats one religion that rules over a nations life not america were religion is optional.
When I say the pleadge I say “and under the Flying Spaghetti
Monster for all.” She doesn’t like when I stand up in Home
Room.
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I do like it too, thank you very much Jennyanydots.
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@NewPastafarian. Congrats!
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Speaking of Catholics, they are no longer in the Top 10 American religions! Even Mormons are higher on the list… Mormons. (according to TIME magazine)
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Mormons! hahahahaah my dad is a mormon…he is so out there.
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@NewPastafarian – keep up the good work. Remember to dress like a Pirate when preaching the FSM gospel. R’Amen
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I’d say anyone believing in the mormon religion is probably as wacky as the scientologist. But both founders had the right idea, it’s a good way to make money.
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I know, I don’t wanna be like Tom Cruise!
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I’d like to be a Mormon… I want to have lots of wives… I could be like any other normal Christian, I don’t have to go to church, and I can hide what I truly believe… lol
Plus, that brings me back to that Simpson’s episode where they are talking about two wives… I’m not exactly sure who said what, but it went something like this:
Lenny: Geez, Homer. I thought someone with two wives would be happy.
Carl: No, you’re thinking of someone with two knives.
Moe: (While holding two knives) I gotta tell ya, this is pretty terrific.
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I googled scientology…I prefer spider solitaire.
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Wasn’t Soul some kind of music?
In that case, I cal live without that shit.
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hahahahaahahah. Wait…to google is not a verb…mmmhhhmm…see what technology does to the languages.
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I thought Soul was my cousin…I can live without him. I don’t like him anyways…No, his name was Saul
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SeOUL is the capital of South Korea…
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And don’t even get me started on the fish and the foot.
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Fish and foot?
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Google is a pseodo-verb. I went to Salt Lake City once. Hats, everywhere.
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Sole is a type of fish, sole also is the bottom of a shoe.
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I use that Google word as a verb ALL the time. It’s terrible… part of a new phenomenon I have dubbed “e-literacy:” LOL! OMG! ROFLOL!!
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ohhh!
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how bout me….I am e-nlove.
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BTW U 4got LMAO n BFF n WTF.
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e-crush!
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hahahahaah, Just to keep you posted …I deposited 250.00 yesterday, to my ” I have to go to Fucking England (or US) and meet Pluto” fund!
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How did you meet Pluto?
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I haven’t! That is why I have a fund.
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You are pretty trusting.
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huh?
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Obviosly you havn’t been told the “MySpace and chat lines are evil” crap. Old people are convinced that all the internet is is porn and child-molesters.
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OH,
I met him here…hahaha…There are tons of crazy people out there but I think he is not one of them
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Yeah, one of my friends met someone online and now they are getting married in November.
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We got another “edging people out” medal.
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I think our Prophet should make an eHarmony-esque commercial starring you guys.
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Damn, I lied. Sorry.
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FSM, I’m a minor!
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I can’t even drink!
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TV, not a bad idea, though.
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Another medal? Coool!
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I lied about the medal.
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Oh… and I forgot… ttyl ppl? idk wtf b/c my cpu sux and my bff is gr8. txt me l8tr cuz i gotta go lol omgzzz
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Starbuccaneer and SanAndreas posted too. My bad.
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You’re a minor? That sucks… although… I liked being 17… my first year of college… that was FUN.
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Or are you the kind of miner that needs a canary?
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Because of wenches or grog?
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I can get alcohol for you. I think is stupid that law. In Panama you can start drinking since you are 18.
My bosses used to buy me beer when I lived in Arizona.
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Minor as in child.
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No thanks, my mum would KILL me. Literally.
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You might still need a canary.
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Are you a miner? like the ones that dig for gold?
Gold digger?
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You’re right. Methane is a constant threat.
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No , I’m a kid
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Why does a miner needs a canary?
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Oooohhh.. I’m one of those! (But I’m not very good at it… I keep telling my husband to buy me presents and he laughs at me!)
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Ok…no beer…do you want me to get you drugs?
hahahahahahahahaha
I think I’m gonna choke with the lolly pop
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Coal miners used to carry canaries down into the mines with them because if there was too little oxygen the canary would die and that would let them know to get out in a hurry.
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hahahahahahaaha, why doesn’t he want to buy you presents?
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A canary is needed to detect poisonous gases. If the canary dies, get yourself out of the mine.
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I’m sure there’s NO shortage of alcohol for him anyway, Pam… I always seemed to find it (usually it was my mom ordering it for me!)
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Fuck, I wouldn’t want to be one of those canaries…
I don’t even remember what this thread was about!
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Sorry, I’m a slow typer.
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My mom got me drunk one Christmas when I was about 10 because it was 3 in the morning and I was still up.
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That’s a good question. I know I want to buy me presents… I don’t see why he doesn’t want to. You’d think that would be one thing we have in common…
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I think BBC?
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I am really glad I am not the only one that is not doing shit.
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Everyone likes BBC.
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Yeah my mom used to give me peppermint schnapps in my hot chocolate to make me shut up and go to bed.
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I am supposed to be doing maths.
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You should have put that as one o his vows!
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We really do know how to get sidetracked huh? No more distractions for me, though! Time to punch out!
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Dude…what kind of maths…we can help, right Star?
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It was supposed to be there already: OBEY!
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Star,…don’t leave me here doing math with NoodlyOne…Help
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Algebra 2. Equations w/ matrixes.
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hahahahaahaha, they you should file a complain!
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It sucks. It blows goats, even.
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I mean *then* not *they*
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THe office won’t listen.
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Fuck…I cannot help
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Why not?…tell them they are discriminating you because you are a woman!
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That’s OK.
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Tell him victoria’s secret is having a sale…3x$28.00
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I’m a guy.
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Can you teach me?
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Teach you what?
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I know NoodlyONe..I am talking to Star…you see, her husband doesn’t want to buy her presents and he should because we are women and women deserve presents…specially if you are married woman
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matrixes…Is that the cool movie where keanu reeves is jumping and flying?
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My bad.
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I am sorry if I am being too random…I am just very bored!
hahahahahaahahahaahahahahahahahahaha
I just processed the victoria’s secret part! hahahahahahaahahaha
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No it is numbers in brackets. We do get some good jokes in, though.
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Speaking of canaries, I had one once that was sensitive to bullshit instead of methane. It was dead in its cage long ago. And speaking of Mormons, I was born one, but not raised one. I understand that every time a virgin walks past the Temple in Salt Lake City, the gold statue of the archangel Moroni blows his horn. Could we arrange a parade of Pastafarian Wenches there, some time????
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I know…it’s been a while since I learned them…you don’t get to use them, though.
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Mormons have funny hats.
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You don’t use them ever???!!!
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There goes 3 weeks of my life. Wasted in maths class.
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@Keep the baby, Faith. We killed your canary? I am sorry. I will get you one that is deaf. Or blind in this case.
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No, and they are so fucking confusing!
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One unsensitive to bullshit.
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All the bloody terms and numbers!
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And to methane, I don’t want it to die when I go work at the mine digging gold.
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I am sorry! Life can be a biaaaatch!
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I was preety good with algebra…but matrixes…damn them
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Damn straight.
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136 comments!
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Damn straight? Never heard that one before.
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Yanks say it alot. It’s sorta like “Hell, yeah”.
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Do you follow football?
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AS in “futbol”.
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Isn’t it “damn right”?
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Are you talking about soccer?
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It works either way. And, yes.
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Ok, and yes!
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I went to Costa Rica once, and they had to close the stadium ’cause of riots.
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I haven’t…No Champions League right now
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Who won? I only saw the Chelsea-Shalke match.
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There is a lot of violence going on in Costa Rica right now. Too bad, they used to be better in that matter than Panama.
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There is? Before it was football related.
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Yep, they call them maras (gangs) too bad.
Panama is getting full of gingos (yanks) and there has been some sort of commercial BOOM. Good for the economy I guess.
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Who won the champions tournament?
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I think it was the Milan…?
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I supported Chelsea.
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Nah…I like the Milan cuz Kaka is really good looking
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@Pacific Pam & NoodlyOne
Actually, the canary died outside, in Christendom. This site is a breath of fresh air, metaphorically speaking.
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Hey, did you do your math homework?
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Pssshhh!
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No complaint intended.
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Still working on it.
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Oh, I don’t feel guilty anymore…
Fresh air…I think my coworker farted *yak*
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A gringo?
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On what problem are you, NoodlyOne?
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15 out of 19
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yep…
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Good, then.
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If you need help with matrices, I might be able to help, I’ve taken a lot (in my opinion) of matrix related junk in my time, got an A in it.
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Eeeewww! Yanks smell bad.
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@El Peatieablo
Thanks, but I’m all set.
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Sometimes the do…You know who smell the worst?!
Spaniards! they stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink!
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I what are they good for, anyways. I never used the after I left school.
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Why must you taunt me?
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Taunt?
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Make fun of. Mock jokingly.
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I don’t know the word.
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16!
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Am I?
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3 more to go…What is this post about?
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IN a nice way.
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3 more until what?
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Oh.
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A medal.
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For you to finish? No? you said they were 19 problems, right?
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Medal? I want one!…I prefer cheesecake, though
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YES!!!!!!!!! A Medal! Victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A medal for edging people out. Screw matrixes.
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You done?
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Oh…Can I go to a pawn shop and get cheese cake instead?
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Pawn shop? Do you mean Pastry Shop?
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Yes, you can.
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No, I meant pawn shop…If I go to a pastry shop they won’t accept the meda. If I go to a pawn shop I can get money and they I go to a pastry shop and buy cheese cake.
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See?
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Gotta go. See ya tomorrow and good luck with your homework!
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HAHAHAHAHA! Yes! HAHAHA!! Clever!
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See you! DONE!!
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what’s this article have to do with Pastafarians? ; )
but Texas was allowed to discriminate against pastaless heathens (lol) for a time? those prejudice bags of douche!
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New state motto: Don’t mess with Texas, Especially if your an Athiest.
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New state motto: Don’t mess with Texas, Especially if your an Athiest.
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Dear FSM,
Please grant that my brother Elliott (He’s kindof a farfalle) gets his NSF grant so that he may uncover more lies about the age of the universe, and the existence of global warming, that you have put on earth to trick our feeble minds.
RAMEN
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Here’s something that a few Pastafarians may be interested in:
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http://richarddawkins.net/article,1781,A-new-website-addition-Debate-points,RichardDawkinsnet
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A new website addition: Debate Points by RichardDawkins.net
“I thought we might try a new section here at RichardDawkins.net called “Debate Points”. A lot of people have mentioned that we need to stay on top of the arguments for and against the debate points we will meet. Some seem to never die (Hitler/Stalin, Morality), and we can always improve our arguments. Let’s use the comment space on this post to brainstorm some points that we can start discussions on…..
Here are some we can start with (click on each topic to go to its own thread):” (Richard Dawkins)
Arguments Against Evolution
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Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. were atheists, and they were terrible!
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You can’t be moral without God!
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Religion is not incompatible with Science: ‘Non-Overlapping Magisteria’
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Atheism is a religion and you’re as bad as the fundamentalists
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There are many more of the most common topics there which are constantly bought up by the fundies.
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@ Noodly0ne, if you do engineering you’ll get some use out of matrices after school, but they do get pretty big, possibly up to use a computer size depending on what you’re doing.
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Oh, I forgot that part. Since I was not very good with physics, I went for Biotechnology…then…long story.
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