I was just curious about why it is you think that the monster is in any way equal belief to other religions. Why exactly did you begin this religion (?), what were your thoughts? I can begin to come to my own conclusions on your thought process, but i wonder if you could exlplain it to me. This subject seems to be pretty important to you, but why would you spend so much time to take hope or beliefs away from others? Do you think that you are simply much more intelligent than the many brilliant men who have come to the conclusion that God exists, or have you simply discovered something they had no access to?
Please respond to this e-mail, this is the MOST important subject any person will ever face. I would appreciate a response.
-Owen
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Oh btw I did click on the link. And it was just damn right offensive….To me anyway.
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Dude, whenever televangelists go on air, are they taking away hope? NO, they are either giving us something to laugh at, or they take away money. When Jehovah’s Witnesses come up to my door, are they taking away my hope. No, they are giving me something to make fun of. They only take away my mom’s patience, when she screams “GET OUT OF MY HOUSE!!!!!” Are the people who give out religious literature to little kids at Halloween taking away hope? Yes they are, to those kids who are not of that faith who read that they are going to Hell. We don’t take away hope, we give a new form of it. Geez.
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I just wanted to ask, don’t people think that the point of this Spagetti Monster thing has nothing to do with your own actual beliefs, but is making the point that we simply can’t allow people’s beliefs, no matter if they involve Spagetti or Jesus Christ Himself, to ever be classified as science? Particularly in the context of educating children about what science is. So to complain that this works to ‘take peoples hope away’ is not only showing your inability to understand the issue properly or deeply but is also insulting to Christians to suggest that the idea spagetti monster could really challenge their faith
Don’t you get it? it’s a joke designed to highlight just how ignorant and self-absorbed people like you are.
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“the MOST important subject any person will ever face” is ‘do I really need that second helping of chocolate cake?’.
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And you might “appreciate a response” but I suspect that you won’t appreciate my response.
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But seriously, what it comes down to is Russell’s Teapot (look it up – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russells_teapot). Faith-based theories, which includes religion because religion is based on revealed wisdom, cannot be disproved (unless they’re stupid ones – see http://www.venganza.org/2007/11/11/snakebite.htm). Therefore the validity of all faith-based theories is the same because every person’s faith has the same value (oh, please disagree with this statement). Therefore the Mormon’s faith (started 1830), the Christian faith (started 0), Buddism (started -500), etc, etc, ad nauseam all have equal validity. Just look at how many sects of Christianity there are; every single person has a different belief, and every single one is equally valid, but some describe the world better than others. Therefore Pasterfarianism is an equally valid faith. Reductio ad absurdum, quod erat demonstrandum.
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You can’t take people’s beliefs away through a website, or by reasonable discourse. You can, and should, ask them to consider the world view that you are offering – they may take it up for their own reasons. If you have physical access then you could do all kinds of things to force your viewpoint – e.g. Sunday School. If people listen to the message of the FSM and are sufficiently touched by his noodliness to think for themselves and break away from established religions then that is their choice.
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My aetheism – I don’t believe: I KNOW the FSM is out there – does not leave a hole in me that should be filled by religious belief. Religion is many things, but it isn’t a built-in part of the brain or of consciousness or of morality. The sense of loss people feel and fear when their faith is questioned is because they use their faith as a bedrock of their worldview; all the big scary difficult questions are kept locked away and never examined, and questions of faith, for such people, necessarily question their self-worth, their purpose, and their survival (after life). As I’m an aetheist you can ask me about all the difficult stuff you like without inducing fear or mindshock.
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Also – rant warning – the worth of faith-based theories does not reside in their power to describe the world or to generate new theories; they aren’t humanist. The best you can hope for is that the theories’ hosts/followers/drones gain some sort of ersatz morality, and some ersatz peace of mind.
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…OK, I know it’s not really a ‘Reductio ad absurdum’ but I love that phrase.
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Momma: Owen! Food!
Owen: In a minute, Momma.
Momma: Don’t you “In a minute, Momma” me! Get off your fat little ass or I’ll break it for you! I want two soft boiled eggs, white toast, and some of that grape jelly god damn it! And don’t burn the toast!
Owen: Kill her, Larry.
From Throw Momma from the Train.
This makes as much sense as the Owen’s original posting. How can you be so cruel as to take the hopes and beliefs of others?
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It’s basically a “macro-solipsism”. Not one person can provide objective proof that it’s not real… if you can, then may his Awesome Noodly Goodness squash me like a fly in the tomato paste…
RAmen
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Vis-a-vis noname’s link – has anyone ever noticed that there’s a Japanese flag in the ‘Chinese’ bit?
Yeah, I’m pedantic.
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…last?
Probably not. It is obvious that the original poster has not been touched by His Noodly Appendage.
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@Alio y olio- “It is obvious that the original poster has not been touched by His Noodly Appendage.”
I don’t think anyone will ever touch him full stop!
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Seriously. THis person is obviously a moron. Taking away beliefs. BItch if you don’t liek it, don’t come here. Da,m
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we arent taking away faith but providing it
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Religion is fine if it stays within its boundaries. Look what religion did on 9/11. Look what religion does to young altar boys anuses. Look at its ridiculous foothold in world politics. Look at all of it with just one spec of logic. I don’t think its a question of a gods existence, we couldnt fathom this concept if we tried on our own. Man made religion/god, gambling on a very old(fictional) writing that they hoped the masses would swallow & they did for the most part. It was just a matter of who found the book first. Can’t you just hear them now: Wow, what wonderful control mechanism these writings would be if we could just sell it as the only truth. Lets take out certain chapters that wont fit our plans. Lets add this, it’ll be awesome! You get the point. :) Humankind does NOT need this stuff to be “saved”. I hate to tell all the “faithful” reading this…when we die, we just rot in the ground, end of story. We are here only because nature allowed it, we are not special. We will go extinct eventually, no doubt about it. Relish your precious lives & be content knowing you are a necessary albeit minute part of the universe. Long live the FSM!! I will follow you anywhere because you dont seek to kill or control me.
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Einstein was Jewish…. so no, he definitely didn’t believe in the Christan god.
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I believe that “man” is uncomfortable with unanswered questions. Primitive man “needed” answers for the things that he could not explain, and the religions filled in the gaps in his knowledge. As “man’s” knowledge increases, the relevance of religion tends to fade away. But religious institutions have gathered much power to themselves over these many centuries and they are not going to let that power go without a fight. They will continue to use fear to intimidate belief as this tactic has worked well for them. It is up to you to seek your own truth, and for many, this religion is equally as relevant as the major religions in the world.
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why would you spend so much time to take the hope or beliefs away from others?
We aren’t
this is our religion and we are damn proud of it
we aren’t forcing you to believe in our religion that is totally your imagination
Lighten up you landlubber
Spahgz
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so that people don’t live in ignorance and we can advance as a society.
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The God of the Jews and the God of the Christians is the same God. What separates the two religions is the decision of whether Jesus was God’s son and the Messiah, or whether he was just a really good person.
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@ Adam
Well said. I would add that as these powerful religious institutions (which in 99.9% cases are also powerful economic institutions) lose relevancy, they tend to get more erratic, belligerent and hostile regarding non-believers.
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@ KaceTheAce
You’re embarrassing yourself. Because Einstein was born to Jewish parents you can determine which god he was assigned to?
My dad was an Australian Aborigine Albino and my mom was a Japanese midget with a violent stutter. Can you please tell me who I am supposed to pray to?
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hahah, take belief away from others, isn’t that what the missionaries from Christianity did before to every continent it touched?- the pagan religions of Europe, the Muslims in the middle east, the religions of southwest asia, the mayan and aztec religions in south america? And besides, Pastafarianism does not take away but it adds on to the multitude of religion that exists in this world.
We are a very positive religion and we, the followers, are proud of it.
RAmen
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How is your religion being “taken” from you by the mere proximity of another belief system ? If you truely have a relationship with your diety of choice, a bit of irreverence isn’t going to cause you to suddenly lose your faith- that is, unless you are so vacuous that you are incapable of sticking to your principles. No one is “taking” anything from anybody. They are merely offering another viewpoint which you are free to ignore. Duh.
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I find umorous how bad all de hate mail grammar be. i tink it show dat smarty people be smarter dan dummy people. an dat the evangelical cristian peeple may need to go read da real bible, called…the yellow pages 2006
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“why would you spend so much time to take the hope or beliefs away from others?”
To show that a made-up religion involving spaghetti is just as legitimate as every other religion.
Seems obvious to me.
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Awfully touchy, aren’t we Owen? Where is the courage of your convictions is they can be undermined by a pile of wet noodles. Isn’t it amazing what some people will find threatening? Satire? You betcha! Unbridled intellectual discussion? Of course!
Owen we can’t help it your belief sytem is a glass house. If this sort of thing bothers you, in the words of that guy in “The Matrix” take the blue bill and go back to sleep. If however you are interested where the pursuit of the truth will take you, then by all means take the red pill and keep reading the stuff on this site.
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Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t take away anyone’s beliefs unless they were receptive to way I think they should reconsider those beliefs. If people want to believe in invisible giant red bunnies, that’s cool with me. But there is a big BUT attached to this…
… don’t force me or my child to ‘learn’ it in school. Don’t force me into some sense of bizarre morality by the power of law. Don’t come to my house and knock on my door when I’m eating or sleeping to tell me about the glory of the latest savior and why I should abandon my reason for your religion. Don’t kill me if I don’t believe as you do. Don’t kill me for speaking my mind. You see, religion today is (hopefully) facing the backlash of all the things that it has subjected reasonable men to over the years. War, death, famine, enslavement, and the crushing of man’s ego and rationality.
I don’t have access to the minds of these “brilliant men” so I don’t know what may have been flawed in their thinking, what made them abandon reason for faith, and I certainly cannot use their thoughts as a substitute for my own in guiding my life. I will not abandon my senses and my capacity for rational thought in favor of faith.
If some theoretical supreme being gave me these tools for my survival and then told me to give up those tools and believe in him for my “salvation”, I’d have to think what kind of whacked indian-giver am I dealing with here? Unlike the popular catch phrase of the past, “God is dead”, I don’t think he’s dead as that would give him credit for having existed in the first place.
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“why would you spend so much time to take hope or beliefs away from others? Do you think that you are simply much more intelligent than the many brilliant men who have come to the conclusion that God exists, or have you simply discovered something they had no access to?”
1. Because
2. No, of course not.
3. Again, just because.
My questions to you, Owen, would be these –
In what way does starting one more religion based on exactly the same level of valid logical premise (i.e., none) as any of the others do any of the things you accuse it of (take hope or belief away, etc.)? Do you feel like that about just this religion (FSM), or all of the ones you don’t believe in? Do you feel that men who believe in God are necessarily more brilliant than those who do not, or do you know something that the rest of us do not?
I don’t understand why this particular religion is any different or any worse or more ridiculous than any other, and I’ve yet to hear any sort of answer addressing that.
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If you feel that atheists are taking your faith away from you, perhaps you weren’t as religious as you thought. Perhaps you think they have a point?
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This is an overall good experience for those on either side of this theology argument. I for one have held, any religion which preaches the need to go out and bring persons of “other” faiths into their fold, because “they” cannot reach the promised goal, or land, because “they” worship wrong, or their beliefs are wrong, or is intolerant to any other religion, is not a religion but a cult… look it up…. cultism as well as pyramid investment schemes are top down things and dependent on power and control of its people. We are fighting in IRAQ because of power and control. OUr sons and daughters are dying to maintain power and control..
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“I was just curious about why it is you think that the monster is in any way equal belief to other religions.”
Why wouldn’t I?
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We’re just testing the worthiness of others to be converted to the gospel of his holiness, and I believe that those who are so strongly against blasphemy should not blaspheme us, or the blaspheming will get worse to the point of radical extremist pastafarians.
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And how exactly would one go about taking someone’s faith and beleifs? Not like we are putting the book of FSM in every hotel room in the modern world. OR ARE WE?! >
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I completely forgot about the Gideon Bible. Talk about presumption. You can’t even rent a room to shack up in for an hour or so without finding the “word of the lord” in the nightstand. Who really wants those things in there? Why do they still put them in hotel rooms? What kind of shit storm would ensue if a major chain like Hilton or Mariott or Holiday Inn said “no thank you” to the Gideons. Wanna bet there would be a world wide boycott by Xtains? Talk about blackmail.
No Xtains aren’t in everyone’s face, they aren’t on tv 24/7, they aren’t in your bedroom away from home, they’re just minding their own business and leaving everyone to mind theirs. RIGHT!!!!
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It is quite pathetic that a fictitious noodle could “take away” anything from you.
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“why would you spend so much time to take the hope or beliefs away from others?”
You seem to have mistaken us for christian missionaries.
“Why exactly did you begin this religion (?)”
We saw a need for a pasta-based deity.
“Do you think that you are simply much more intelligent than the many brilliant men who have come to the conclusion that God exists, or have you simply discovered something they had no access to?”
“There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.” Or as Jesus put it, “Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing, see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand” Matthew 13:13
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In the interest of science and a tighter society, religion needs to be eliminated from the law. People should be free to worship as they please, but especially in the American South (don’t jump on me for prejudice, I’m southern), seperation of Church and State is a joke. This thing in Kansas is just proof of that. Pastafrians object to that.
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“Do you think that you are simply much more intelligent than the many brilliant men who have come to the conclusion that God exists”
Well, yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#Studies_comparing_religious_belief_and_I.Q.
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What’s the difference between this religion and yours?? Is your God better than our FSM?? Do you have more proof of his existence than we do of FSM?? Our religion just shows the absolute absurdity that IS religion. Get over yourself. Free will, people. Keep the facts straight!
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This is a fair question. FSMism started to oppose not learning science in a science classroom. It’s that simple.
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We didn’t create FSM to do anything… it peacibly existed for thousands of years since the dawn of time until we got tired of all these other religions constantly fighting and killing and going around do not so kind or goodly things. We have always existed in SECRET and we have more heritage than any other religion you care to name (since we are the oldest). Fortunately for us too! as I’m glad we didn’t have a crusade or Jihad or genocide launched against our funloving and carefree ancestors (except by accident — poor pirates).
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The great FSM gave everyone freedoms which people in the past used to find other religions (one of the reasons why I sometimes question my faith). But we understand and respect those freedoms and allow you to have your own beliefs and we love you anyways (especially your booty). You may find it difficult to understand or love different people or perhaps find it necessary to determine guilt so you can forgive them and allow yourself to love (we feel that sort of mentality demonstrates no respect and it is not the true meaning of love — love and respect — not love and guilt and forgiveness — it also pisses on the idea of do onto others as the guilt thing really screws things up there too).
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But anyways, I’m getting off topic, this isn’t about your misconceptions about our religion which we prefer to keep private even now, I just want to point out:
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`1.We didn’t start a religion, we just stopped being secrative about the oldest religion which is possibly an alien concept to you and your religion. We had no need to announce it in the past.
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`2.The purpose of the announcement was nothing to do with religion or promoting it or demoting others. We have always valued learning and experimenting and the scientific process (especially after the marvellous drugs developed in the 60s) and we didn’t want to confuse matters by having creationism studied without the sound and defendible position presented by FSM.
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`2b.It is also important to use our scientific theories relating to global warming to combat global warming. Other creation theories are so limited in so many different ways and we want to do something good for our futures.
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`3.There was no thought given to spending any time doing anything — let alone using time constructively!? to take away hopes and beliefs… this was exclusivily about the creationscience. We would certainly not spend time doing things or spend time constructively. I can keep saying that all day.
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`4.Well, if I was a woman I would probably be more intelligent than any man, but as a man I’m about as stupid as they come (actually have there been any female religious leaders?), but if something is more important that intelligence, it would be sense. Even the first meatball didn’t know how or why fire worked, but it had enough sense not to want to go in the fire. Similiarly like fire, you may not comprehend all of god’s methods and meanings but you know that the FSM. Look, I’ll type it again FSM. See there it was twice… can’t argue with that. FSM. Three times!! It must definately exist. FMS… nope, but don’t let that fool you I’m dyslexic so you know what? That was Fuor Times!!
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`5a.You started with the wrong idea… the question is not what you consider it to be… you should consider a different broader view as you asked this entirely wrong… stuff like creating a religion? and when did it start? and what is the purpose of everything? those are indeed good questions that you should look at very closely. You should look retrospectively at FSM and see what is our tasty lord means? did our historical figures like the great Pirate Hoan who FSM told to build a great ark because of a major downer that would last for 40 days and 40 nights pay an attention to all the booty that he wasn’t able to go and pirate from Australia and the Americas (our secrets include having googleearth long before the pyramids were built — both thanks to the great and most tasty one) … hmm, how does the rest of the story go? was there a story or was it something I ate lastnight? Whatever, about the question… what is stuff and what does it really mean when someone compares different aspects what we are talking about.
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`5b.You started with the wrong idea… the question is not what you consider it to be… You probably have no concept of “Intelligent Design” as it has no relation to “Creationism” other than having next to everything copied word for word. This is probably why it should be taught in schools (why not start with Sunday Schools since it has such a large positive following there) to teach you what you are talking about — unfortunately your biggest problem would then be that FSM makes more sense than other “Intelligent Design” theories such as “Creationism”.
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`5c.You started with the wrong idea… the question is not what you consider it to be… the question is why are you so smart that you know anything about anything to say anything to anyone about what they should be teaching their kids. FSM is mearly an explanation of the universe and creation — a giant mirror that we are holding in your faces and suddenly you don’t like what you see… so know you know one of the major precepts of FSM, that it is really just a mirror — both in the childish way of repeating everything already said in an annoying but twisted way but also in the ugly way of representing exactly what everything looks like with all its tiny imperfections… don’t look in the mirror you won’t like what you see you stupid buffoon.
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Satire is an important weapon, for fighting arrogance and ignorance. The Christian establishment in the US took the battle over the minds of our young into the education system by demanding that Inteligent Design is taught in schools. We need to resist this suedo-science with any intellectual weapon that we can, including satire.
Yours,
Filius
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I believe that this “religion” (whether it be taken seriously or not) is the most balanced one out there, up with the fudamental basics of buddhism. I think that in participating in this religion people will learn what most other religions were probably first formed to teach in the first place, enjoy life to the fullest, learn to laugh and to take a fall (because, hey, isn’t that what life’s about?), and don’t hate your fellow man. Most religions have been fought over or war waged because of people who take things too seriously, and the FSM is about peace and enjoyment, not hate or impressing the religion upon other people.
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OK, since everyone else is probably trying to explain to you why we are doing what we are doing, I and going to do something else….
I want to THANK YOU for your article for the following reasons
PS. also, if anyone that leaves a message after this agrees that this man, Owen, deserves thanks for any of the following reasons, let everyone know in your reply!!!!!!
1.You actually use decent English in your article
2.You actually spell every word (as far as I can tell) in your article correctly (the authors of the other articles could definitely use a dictionary
3.You did not quote the Bible, Quran, or any other religious text. Instead you are actually trying to use LOGIC to give out your point: that we are wasting time trying to make people convert to another religion.
4.You HONESTLY DIDN’T QUOTE THE BIBLE, your probably the first article questioning this site that hasn’t, its a nice change
5.You weren’t a jerk, saying how dumb we were thinking this stuff and just asked a simply question (unlike the other guys, who have to curse with every other word, oh, and I say jerks because your article was so good that I’d feel like a bad person if I used stronger words)
6.You realize that most people on this site DON’T BELIEVE THIS STUFF, whereas others that question us treat us as if we are some stupid cult and it is their “solemn duty as whatever religion they believe in to convert us to their religion and save our souls………. blah blah blah”
7.YOU HONESTLY DID NOT USE ANY QUOTES FROM THE BIBLE, I JUST CAN’T GET OVER THAT. YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY CONVINCED ME THAT THERE ARE SOME INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT QUESTION THE FSM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why do many of the judeo-christian faith impose their religion upon others, against their will and against the CONSTITUTION, as long as Americans abide by the constitution it is ILLEGAL to force your religious ideas on the American populous. So why dose the RR fear ideas that challenge theirs? And they attack our beliefs which are founded in science. Also, we don’t say there isn’t a god, we just say the bible is false and that god is a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Ramen
-J.T.S.
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Pastafarians do not actually take away hopes or dreams away from other religions. i think you dont feel happy about yourself, do ya?
P.S. I hate the invisible pink unicorn
P.S.S. RAmen
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I’d like to thank Pirate X for his reply to the letter, although he forgot the proper phrase to end it.
There is nothing more to say on that matter.
… Well actually there is.
Since the numbers of us pirates are continuously growing, we here in Germany (that’s on the other side of the big blue water thing… for the American readers ;-) ) are having the coldest spring that I can remember.
This may not be the ultimate prove, but who needs prove, when you have faith?
RAmen
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You’d think that people who were confident in their religion wouldn’t be so threatened by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Unless, of course, they really think there’s something to be threatened by…
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You’ve made me think of something neal. Why don’t we replace the bible with an FSM related book? Alternately, we could have both the Bible and the Gospel of the FSM in there.
But I doubt the effectiveness of such a campaign, if done on such a small scale.
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We dont take anything away from others, others take it away from us. Or they try to we are a hearty bunch, our only natural predators (as pirates) are the hare-krishnas, our only natural predators (as humans) are Coconuts, anything with teeth, anything anti-pasta and dogma(religious not the rockin Kevin Smith movie)So do not hate us, we take nothing, leave much.
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Hmmm, let me break your question down. BTW I do consider myself a Pastafarian but I don’t fully believe in the FSM much as it shames me to admit that fact. I’ll try to answer your query in the serious tone that it was posed.
“I was just curious about why it is you think that the monster is in any way equal belief to other religions”
I’m sure that the Romans thought the exact same thing about this Jesus guy and his Wacky ideas about loving people. which is to say that anything that has 2000 some odd years of history behind it will feel superior to ANY new come idea, be it a religion or a scientific ideal or a medical opinion. Whether the old idea truly is superior or not is a question for the ages. I believe that the FSM is equal to other religions because the pastafarians i know seem to be of equal, if not more, sound mind than any of the ‘classicly’ religous people I know. I in no way denigrate those other religions, I just don’t understand thier inherent feelings of superiority to pretty much anyone who isn’t exactly like themselves. a feeling which seems to be against everything i have read in the bible. And yes you do feel superior or you wouldn’t have asked why we feel equal to your greatness.
“Do you think that you are simply much more intelligent than the many brilliant men who have come to the conclusion that God exists, or have you simply discovered something they had no access to?”
Brilliant men like Plato, Socrates,…oh wait. They didn’t believe in Your God did they? Hmm, brilliant men like Albert Einstien, Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Galileo Galilei…oh crap they didn’t believe in God either. Well shoot, I’m forced to come to the conclusion that many very smart people didn’t beleive in God.It forces me to also question why you think the smart people that do believe in god are smarter than the smart people who don’t?
“This subject seems to be pretty important to you, but why would you spend so much time to take hope or beliefs away from others?”
I don’t think the time we Pastafarians spend posting comments on this website can in ANY WAY even BEGIN to compare to the amount of time that the Christian Church(not even any other religion, just the christians) has spent on Missions, Inquisitions, Crusades and countless holy wars. All of whose purposes were to get people to stop believing what they believed and to only believe what the christians believe. And i’m not talking about those tame modern mormon type missions, I’m referring to the California Missions who tortured and enslaved countless native americans all in the name of Jesus.
Well, that’s my beliefs. take em or leave em.
Ra’men
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