Im not writing this to criticze you, Im here to warn you, PLEAE DO NOT MOCK MY GOD. I have read some of the content that you have posted and to the simple minded and none believers you make a few key points. However, to believers like myself I can only ask for forgiveness on your behalf because you don’t know what your doing and I pray for your enlightenment. After running across a conversation with a co-worker I decided to visit your website, and I was immediately saddened. I just want you know that Im not successful by chance, I was supposed to be dead along time ago, sleeping in my grave, but my father heard this Sinner’s Prayer and by faith I am here today, faith in my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. Although, I have never seen him, I can feel him all around me, in everything I do, NO ONE can tell me he does not exist. Thru personal experiences that I couldn’t have made out of by myself, I was the victor. Im not sure if your doing this for kicks or what, to each its own. Whether this is just a publicity stunt, true belief, or what have you, I just want you to know that My father lives and in his house are many mansions…….May God Bless you and Keep you……..
They are worthless, a work of mockery; In the time of their punishment they will perish. Jeremiah 51:18
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@One Eyed Jack Oct 2nd, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Good one OEJ (:)) You cement your front row seating position in between the stripper dressing room and beer volcanoe.
RAmen
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I went fishing for some fun at the Topix Vitter thread…..only one little bite :(
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topix.com/metro/baton-rouge-la/2007/09/vitter-earmarks-funds-for-religious-group
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ps need to add the w’s ect. The link wouldn’t post
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@Thumper ™ Oct 2nd, 2007 at 12:39 pm
*wabbit somberly wanders off ringing bell*
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Dingaling! :p)
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@Iron Bess
“Jeebus died for our sins, right. So what I think is we should go out and sin, because we wouldn’t want him to have died in vain.”
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That’s a nice one. Copied into my file with atheist etc quotes. If the opportunity ever arises I may use it on inthepersuitofgod. Maybe in any thread related to christianity and sex, something they really get uptight about. I wonder if I would get banned if I told people that shagging your unmarried (same-sex to make them really nervous) partner was actually making Jesus feel good about not having wasted his life.
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@Pastafarians Down Under
Hello all, nice to see you all around. Others too btw.
Nikkiee, I saw the fast-moving blog on the movie site. Won’t be posting there any time soon though. My itpog addiction is back with a vengeance and I’m on the BBC blog a bit too now and then, taking up enough out of my time. Although pb has said he won’t be debating with me anymore. I asked him once if pb was short for peabrain and then started addressing him like that as standard. So he posted he wouldn’t debate with me anymore. I’ve bookmarked that thread and will remind him of his words the next time he back with his usual AiG crap.
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Awww…he’ll come round DPG. It’s obvious to all that he’s always had a crush on you. ;p
Poor pb….he really is a rather sad, sad case!
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This is a trifling thing, but nobody took it up, so I will: it’s TAKE HEED, not take HEAD. you illiterate! Taking HEAD is what evangelical preachers do when they get a twelve-year-old (girl or boy, it makes no diff) behind their altars…..Or is that what you actually meant, which might suggest some hope….
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@ El Peat: profound apologies. You got there long ago, and, of course, did right!
Thanks!
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Actually, Booty touched on it quite a bit back, then I hit on it after my whole @Merlin thing, and it went straight downhill (or up, depending on your perspective) from there ;)
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Oh, did I miss some innuendo?!? I shall of course make up for it in the only appropriate manner in the afterlife.. hehe
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I myself, take Head every chance I get.
Sorry, Apprentice Frederic.
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@Alchemist – I am glad that you have an interest. I will try to give you my views on your questions. I just want you to know, in my opinion, trying to understand magic is like trying to step on the same piece of river twice. You know it is there but just can’t get it. I don’t know if this will make sense to you or not.
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“Do you believe in a “Collective Consciousness”? That’s always interested me – Gestalt’s “the whole is greater than the sum of it’s parts” thing.”
I do believe that the sum of a group can be more powerful than the individual. The gestalt thing takes a lot of time and trust to make work. I have only participated in a handful of efforts that actually worked. It takes some time to develop the trust.
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“Regarding magic – paranormal or psychology?”
I do not think it is paranormal. With the right training, anyone can do it. Learning your body and not limiting yourself are not easy to learn but can be learned. This is one of the reasons that I like boxing. The will power it takes to just step in the ring let alone get up after someone has knocked you down is amazing. Did you see the Taylor/Pavlik fight last weekend? I thought Pavlik was done after the knock down in the 2nd. He reached inside and got up to knock out Taylor in the 7th. That took will and determination. It is like that for me. I guess there is some psychology to it, but that is what makes people extend beyond what is thought that they can do.
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“I’m sure you know my views on homoeopathy – how does so called *sympathetic magic* differ?”
I have always viewed homoeopathy as use of herbs etc. to heal. I am not real familiar with sympathetic magic. I have never tried to heal someone other than myself. I will need to research into sympathetic magic, sounds interesting.
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If you would like to see a pretty good movie on the philosophy of the self, see “The Circle of Iron.” It was written by Bruce Lee. It is a 70’s movie, so give the effects some slack.
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So where’s this bbc blog everyone’s talking about?
St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Curiousity
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Big post… (you think I would have learnt by now)
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Hey Cyka, probably a touch late on this, but you said
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“Isn’t it a bit arrogant to throw out thousands of years of research just because they hadn’t developed the modern “scientific method?” ”
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It may seem that way at times, but please remember, there are also a large number of the ancient remedies that aren’t as good for you as you might think. Several are actually quite dangerous, as (by Australian law at least) alternative medicines do not recquired to be as rigourously tested.
This means there can often be higher levels of toxic compounds (for example, lead) in these medicines than would be healthy for the consumer. A fairly recent exampe of this; in Aus about 4 months ago, there was a bit a furore (sp?) over some traditional Indian herbal supplements, reccomended for pregnant women, that had a dangerously high level of lead, as well as several other substances.
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Today, “modern” medicine is “discovering” more and more of the old wives’ tales and herbal cures actually – what a shocker! – work! Gee, maybe thousands of years of testing something might have a little bit of merit even if “enlightened” scientific minds didn’t have their noses stuck in it.”
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Why shouldn’t we continually test things? If they have any benefit, they will be vindicated, if they are dangerous they will be flagged, and if science cannot find anything, they will still be available, and continually be tested by the latest scientific methods. It’s when we start saying things like, it was good enough for our ancestors, it’s good for us that we get into the very same, horrible trap that many of us fight against on and off these boards.
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That being said, Damiana and chai are a wonderful way to relax, irrespective of their scientific benefit :p
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Thumper ™
Oct 2nd, 2007 at 12:39 pm
*Wabbit stands on street corner with bell and placard stating, “the end is nigh”*
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It certainly is mu dear little wabbit. Unless you produce evidence that ship’s cat is safe and unharmed…. 8 months and counting :)
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, want some stew too Nikkiee?
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@ Jingles
I have absolutely no problem with continual questioning of absolutely everything, except when it involves me telling my 7 year old son to do something, then I pretty much go bat sh!!. We all have our faults, and lack of patience is one of mine.
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I did not say Go blindly forth, and trust every warty faced old mental woman with a twig-filled mug in her hand to cure you of everything! I said that throwing out all that research done for all those thousands of years was totally, completely RETARDED. and, by the way, enacted by the Christians in the Dark Ages, since most modern thought springs from the Renaissance on, excepting some philosphy, Astrology!, astronomy and such from the Greeks and Romans. Instead, maybe we should think about looking into all that old “mumbo-jumbo” and see if there’s any merit to it. And hey, here’s a thought: test an herbal remedy in its entirety, instead of trying to break it down for one effective ingredient. Maybe the reason the herbal worked so well and didn’t have so many stupid side effects was due to all the other chemicals the plant it came from produced! I know one thing, a whole lot of people get a very upset stomach from aspirin, but can drink willow bark tea all day long without a problem. hmmmmm
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@Wench Cyka Oct 3rd, 2007 at 1:38 am: “I know one thing, a whole lot of people get a very upset stomach from aspirin, but can drink willow bark tea all day long without a problem. hmmmmm”
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Yeah, aspirine is quite a creepy stomach-killer: it provokes little gastric hemorrhages…
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“…looking into all that old “mumbo-jumbo” and see if there’s any merit to it”
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Funny, I like to try that with everything of the past: I try to see what good stuff was done by our ancestors, and why it had been abandoned. Mostly it’s cost-effectiveness that did it :) The Romans built magnificent buildings, bridges and aquaducts, but if we would have continued to build like them, we would have run out of wood centuries ago. Mind you, some health-related stuff isn’t applicable anymore, because modern humans (I mean in industrialised countries) have lost a lot of their immunity facilities!
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I CAN’T BELIVE THIS BULLSHIT IS REAL, I FOUND THE LINK TO THIS WEBSITE ON A JOKE SITE THAT SAID A STUDENT CAME TO SCHOOL WAIRING A PIRATE COSTUME AND SAID IT WAS PART OF HIS RELIGION.
MAN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE OR A GIRLFRIEND. ARE YOU TRYING TO MOCK GOD BY SAYING THE WORLD WAS CREATRED BY spaghetti.
YOUR ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON’T GET ATTENTION BY OTHER PEOPLE SO YOU MADE YOU OWN RELIGION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN REMEBER YOU.
WHAT CAN YOU SAY ONLY AMIRACANS ARE IS TO ONLY COUNTRY SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL HAPPEN.
I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE MOST HORRIBLE WAY SO THE YOU CAN MEET GOOD FOR YOURSELF, AND BURN IN HELL FOR YOU DISRESPECT TO GOD.
AND YOUR GOD LOOKS LIKE PASTE AND MEATBALLS.
HOW CAN GOD BE SOMETHING YOU EAT AND MAKE WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.
GOD MADE US WE DIDN’T MAKE HIM AND EAT HIM FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
HOPE YOU CHANGE YOUR WAY BEFORE ITS TO LATE, WHY AM I LIEING TO YOU ITS ALREADY TO LATE YOU SHOULD BY FOR YOU SINS IN HELL.
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@Red
“It certainly is mu dear little wabbit. Unless you produce evidence that ship’s cat is safe and unharmed…. 8 months and counting :)
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, want some stew too Nikkiee?”
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*wabbit holds up fluffy stuffed dinosaur disguised as cat*…errr…will this do?
@Alchemist
Buona Mattina!!! From my cursory perusal of the threads I noticed an apparent lack of alchemy…you been pissed, ill or reborn?…pissed I hope…OZ vs England huh…ummmmm…I’d like to be polite and mumble something about England having a chance but as men of action lies do not become us….
@Nikkie
Hello…I’d talk to you about cricket but you just wouldn’t understand…
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@MOH
“TO LATE YOU SHOULD BY FOR YOU SINS IN HELL.”…so I take it you won’t become a regular???…ahhh well…
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@One-eyed Wonderkin – So you’re not saying its some unexplainable force, just a force that is yet to be explained. I can live with that.
Personally I believe in the potential for ‘psychic’ activity because I have a background in electronics. There’s a thing called mutual inductance, where a current flowing through an inductor creates an electro magnetic field. If this field passes through anther inductor it will produce a current through it. This technology has been used by spies for years as you can read the signals between keyboard and PC and even see what’s on a screen using an aerial tuned in properly. The human brain is just an organic eclectic device so, in theory, the same rules apply.
Would also explain why you sometimes get a bad feeling about someone just from looking at them.
That’s the sort of answers I look for. ‘I believe this because…’ and for it to be something more than ‘because this old holy book that has been proven wrong multiple times said so’.
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@MOH- DO YOU FIND THAT WRITING IN CAPS AND SHOUTING MAKE YOUR OPINION MORE VALID? OR ARE YOU TOO DUMB TO TURN OFF YOUR CAP LOCK? IF YOU CAN’T FIND IT THE CLUE IS IN THE NAME, LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE MAGIC WORD PAD YOU KEEP THUMPING ON!
And learn to write properly, is embarrassing for all of us.
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Now Thumper, you know that that is not good enough! I wanted to be your friend as well but if you go around catnapping other friends thats not going to happen. So, one more chance before frying-pan time: were is ships cat?
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HOPE YOU CHANGE YOUR WAY BEFORE ITS TO LATE, WHY AM I LIEING TO YOU ITS ALREADY TO LATE YOU SHOULD BY FOR YOU SINS IN HELL.
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At least this is one moron who admits to lying to us, if badly spelled. If only all fundies were that honest :P
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@StJohn
“So where’s this bbc blog everyone’s talking about?”
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It’s at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/
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It discusses various issues, mostly religious. Often from a local Northern Ireland angle. When science-vs-religion issues come up I sometimes join in. Recently there was a thread on ID and creationism in science class rooms:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/09/the_evolution_of_a_debate_at_s_1.html
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Hi Thumper – yeah I’ve been a bit lax recently – the rugby is taking its toll on the old liver :(
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O-e W.
Homoeopathy isn’t the same as herbal medicine. I think of herbal medicine as the birth of pharmacy. (except they used humans as test subjects :D)
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Homoeopathy is all together too mystical for me. It has it’s basis in a debunked theory called “The Doctrine of Signatures” ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_signatures
Like cures like.
What really gets me is their complete disregard for the germ theory of disease – instead they favour disease causing entities or miasms which are attracted to the body because of some susceptibility – be that emotional or physical stress etc. – these can then embed themselves and cause disease symptoms.
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The most bizarre and, for me, difficult bit to swallow is “the memory of water”.
The dilutions used can be so low that not one atom of the “active ingredient” remains in the *remedy*
- they say that it works because water somehow “remembers” being in contact with the now “poured down the sink” active molecule.
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Sure – water’s a weird molecule and they might be onto something we don’t understand. That’s possible. Yet no independent research to date has shown any results inconsistent with placebo effect or just the healing effect of having someone to spill your guts to for an hour and a half.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_medicine
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@Alchemist- The memory of water is bull! Think about it. If water can take on the properties of a substance because it came into contact with it once, then it would apply to other substances it has come into contact with. So the water in you glass as been through several trillion bladders over the eons. Molecules in that glass would have had contact with piss, shit, lead, arsenic, cyanide, bleach, vomit EST. So if the memory of water is right, having a drink is the most dangerous thing a human could do, as it would be the most toxic substance on the face of the earth.
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Pluto wrote “Would also explain why you sometimes get a bad feeling about someone just from looking at them.”
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I have had those feelings from time to time. I have thought about the why. At this time I have concluded that I get those “feelings” based on subconscious reaction to facial expression, vocal tone, and overall body language. For me, it seems to be tied into observation of myself and the world around me.
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@MOH – Sounds like you have some issues with the CoFSM. If you are a catholic you need to go confess your sins to a priest and make them all better. If you are a christian, wishing people to die if not part of jesus’ teachings. If you are just hating to hate, well please come back, you make me laugh in a mocking kind of way.
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@Wench Cyka – The smartest person only knows what they know. The typical US kid has heard about the Salem witch trials, but do not know about the killings in Europe. They do not know how much oppression and death was dealt by the physicians and church in their efforts to push the mid-wife and healers out.
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Pluto – Dawkins makes a similar point in his series “Enemies of Reason” – I was trying to be objective :)
I come from a chemistry background (not just the primordial soup) so my own views are naturally biased against homoeopathy.
I think it’s classic snake oil, Lourdes water etc. Pure old H2O wrapped up in pseudo-scientific or spiritual mumbo-jumbo.
There is a chance that, like the existence of god, I might be wrong :)
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@One-eyed Wonderkin- Yes body language is important, but I’m sort sighted and have got bad vibes off of people when they are just a bluer with hair to me. It works on many levels. So much that goes through our heads is purely subconscious that it’s hard to tell.
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@Alchemist- You should still use reason when being objective. Logic is logic even if you are sitting on a fence.
Yes it would all appear to be the same crock. I’ve seen memory of water trials being carried out scientifically several times. All way the data is against the theory. Also of note is that before the results are in, the ‘pro’-memory of water guys say that the test will prove them conclusively right. Once the results are back in and show against MoW, they say the test was flawed, or that some other variable is missing.
The only thing that was missing was the placebo effect as a good test is double blind.
It’s all in the head. Not to say that’s a bad thing, but when it costs stupid amounts of cash for the service AND you can get it via the NHS it’s a bit of a problem. They should stop funding it with tax money, give the nurses a pay rise and tell them to hand out cups of water and lie about there being lavender or oak bark init.
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Pluto – I’m not sure which part of the post you think I’ve not used reason on. If I were to state that “homoeopaths attribute this effect to the *memory of water*” then all I’m doing is stating a fact. Objectively.
Similarly I could be justified in stating that “Christians believe in Jesus as their own personal saviour”. That is also a fact.
Doesn’t mean I believe it.
I try to stay objective Pluto – unless I’m being stupid or stating an opinion.
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I’ve known a few homoeopaths – their main objection to clinical studies has been the double blind meta analysis.
They say that this method of trial is biased against homoeopathy. The reason they give is that homoeopathy is holistic – it treats the person and not the disease.
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By the very nature of clinical trials as many variables as possible are eliminated. The subjects should be treated identically. Whereas homoeopathy concentrates on the individual and individual difference.
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The idea of treating a skin lesion would be anathema for a homoeopath. Instead, they would treat Mrs Williams who was manifesting physical symptoms.
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Personal feelings – I can’t stand some of these so-called alternative treatments. When vulnerable people are robbed of their life savings in some forlorn hope of what is, to all intent and purposes, a miracle – makes me very mad!
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@Alchemist – “I can’t stand some of these so-called alternative treatments. When vulnerable people are robbed of their life savings in some forlorn hope of what is, to all intent and purposes, a miracle – makes me very mad!” I could not agree with you more. Just realize that the people doing that are con-men and not real. Puts a bad face on it all, just like slimy lawyers.
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@Alchemist – I just had an opportunity to look up some information on homoeopathy and sympathetic magick.
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The description of homoeopathy make it sound like everyone who practices it is trying to kill you. Kind of like leaching a person to stop the bleeding wound. I can imagine there may be on the level people who practice it, but I don’t know any.
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Sympathetic magick – I am unconvinced. Voodoo and Santa Maria are depend on the subject believing. I have heard some stories of people fiding people throw touching their stuff, but never experienced it first hand.
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Fair point O-e W but what about those therapists who really believe in, say, the healing power of crystals.
They might mean well but they seldom do any good and may, unintentionally, delay the patient from seeking effective treatment.
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@ Alchemist- It was the bit where you say: ‘The most bizarre and, for me, difficult bit to swallow is “the memory of water”… Sure – water’s a weird molecule and they might be onto something we don’t understand. That’s possible.’ But we know this not to be true due to the fact water is not a toxic cocktail of death, absorbing the properties of what ever it comes into contact with. No mater how weird water is, it is shown that it has no memory. But I might have been reading into that too much. 10+ cups of coffee a day putts one in a permanent head rush. Not when I do my best thinking to be honest.
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You do make a valid point about the whole ‘treat the person not the condition’ argument those quacks use. The only properly recognised form of medical practice to do this, to my knowledge, is psychiatry. I see this as being more supportive to the placebo argument then anything else.
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But like I said, in England such treatment is available on the NHS so is paid for by tax payers like me. This was brought in at a time when nurses are striking due to lack of pay and health authorities can’t afford medically proven, cancer drugs.
As far as I’m concerned if you wish too spend your own hard earned on crap, go ahead. But don’t waste mine!!
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@OEW & WC – the definition came right from the Merriam Webster on site dictionary…is that a xian dictionary?
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Many people feel that witches and witch craft is an old hocus pocus form of Headology. If you go around announcing to the world that you are witches and wizards, you will have to be prepared for each individual’s interpertation of what that means. To some people is all about the evil and the satanic, to others its about home remedies and natural cures. So you have to remember when you are speaking to people all around the world, you will have to be more specific.
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I don’t know either of you from a hole in the ground or an electron on the internet, so for me to ask the question, what is your definition of being a witch, in my opinion is not unreasonable. Do you go around waving your magic wands, standing over pots of newt entrails, casting the evil eye, or do you practice home remedies and natural child birth?
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Personally I am a skeptic who does not believe in god, gods, santa, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy or magic wands. But I do believe there are many phenomena in the universe that no one can explain…yet. Just like in the misty past when our ancestors thought that lightening was magic, today some of the occurances that happen can look magical. Is it magical? I guess it how you interpret that word eh?
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@MOH – please go to school, lurn yer tree R’s, spend a few more years growing up, then come back and write us a long eloquent missive about your deeply religious ideas, so we can trash them too.
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@Iron Bess- probably little point sending MOH to school; I imagine his teach ID anyway.
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And possibly incest too!
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MOH’S WORDS WILL BE IN CAPITALS, BECAUSE THAT IS APPARENTLY WHAT HE LIKES.
Rob’s replies will be properly a mix of upper and lower case, as current conventions suggest.
I CAN’T BELIVE THIS BULLSHIT IS REAL, I FOUND THE LINK TO THIS WEBSITE ON A JOKE SITE THAT SAID A STUDENT CAME TO SCHOOL WAIRING A PIRATE COSTUME AND SAID IT WAS PART OF HIS RELIGION.
And yet, I believe you are real. Funny how your statement is illogical, since this “bullshit” is here, yet mine is logical, giving you the benefit of the doubt about your existence.
MAN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU, YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE OR A GIRLFRIEND. ARE YOU TRYING TO MOCK GOD BY SAYING THE WORLD WAS CREATRED BY spaghetti.
And yet, you will find, dear sir, many here have a life, a very fun and good one, full of friends and beer (and even a couple old married guys like me). Are you trying to mock us by saying you have proof the world was not?
YOUR ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON’T GET ATTENTION BY OTHER PEOPLE SO YOU MADE YOU OWN RELIGION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN REMEBER YOU.
You are one of those people who feel the need to SHOUT in online conversations, because otherwise everyone would ignore your ramblings.
WHAT CAN YOU SAY ONLY AMIRACANS ARE IS TO ONLY COUNTRY SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL HAPPEN.
Huh? Are you speaking English here? You are wrong no matter what country you SHOUT from.
I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE MOST HORRIBLE WAY SO THE YOU CAN MEET GOOD FOR YOURSELF, AND BURN IN HELL FOR YOU DISRESPECT TO GOD.
I hope you die a long time from now, after living a full rich life, surrounded by loved ones, knowing you made a positive contribution in society….I know it is a long shot, but I boy can dream.
AND YOUR GOD LOOKS LIKE PASTE AND MEATBALLS.
And yours looks like crackers and juice….what’s your point?
HOW CAN GOD BE SOMETHING YOU EAT AND MAKE WITH YOUR OWN HANDS.
Ask anyone who has taken the communion. At least ours will fill you up.
GOD MADE US WE DIDN’T MAKE HIM AND EAT HIM FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
Right, you only eat yours for Sunday Brunch.
HOPE YOU CHANGE YOUR WAY BEFORE ITS TO LATE, WHY AM I LIEING TO YOU ITS ALREADY TO LATE YOU SHOULD BY FOR YOU SINS IN HELL.
I changed my ways a long time ago, from the tired rantings of religious nuttery to something much more humane and humble.
Being a Discordian/Pastafarian/Apatheist/Unitarian Universalist (quite a mouthful, even without a meatball in my mouth), I believe that God loves us so much that he never created a Hell for humans to go to, we call go to Heaven, we all can believe in him if we so choose, because our belief is not require to have a good life, and once a week, I cut up an unbunned hot dog and cook it with some RAmen noodles (or just buy Speghetti-O’s with Franks) and hold a beautiful dinner communion with all that is good, and fun, and humorous in the universe, as oppsoed to your God who kills, threatens, and otherwise makes life a living Hell until he throws us into Hell.
I hope you find peace in your life, and learn to let others do so as well.
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The 3R’s of a faith school:
1 Religion
2 Retarded
3 Ridiculous
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i see jesus can’t stop your bad spelling
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Or even…
1. Repentant
2. Regurgitation
3. Recess
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@Rob – hmmmm, I may have to pass on the old spaghetti-o’s and hotdogs version of a beautiful dinner. Are you perhaps from Jolly Old England? But I will think of you while eating fetuccini alfredo and shrimp, and say R’Amen to all the Discordian/Pastafarian/Apatheist/Unitarian Universalists in the world.
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“…and in his house are many mansions”
Which planet is that on? And why so many mansions when 99.9% of earth’s population is going to a firey furnace of unending loving torture?
Polly wants a cracker!
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Pluto – ok – got you now. Probably my fault – I’m not always crystal clear. I was more hinting at the fact that we don’t know everything and sometimes our theories are wrong. ie open minded scepticism.
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Re: NHS and the provision of homoeopathic treatments.
Yeah – when patients are struggling to gain access to anti-cancer agents because NICE (national institute of clinical excellence) have deemed them ineffective on a cost/benefit analysis!
Yet homoeopathy has been available on the NHS since it’s inception in 1948! C’mon people!
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I wonder how much of that has to do with our Royal Families support of Homoeopathy? From Prince Albert to the present Queen and Prince Cuckoo!
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@Alchemist – Don’t those guys run or at least have a huge influence in your country? I really dispise the people who prey on the weak.
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@Iron Bess – Yes is beiieve that Webster’s has a christian type bent. Nothing prejudicial in the definition provided was there?
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I appreciate that you asked the question. I always have to struggle to explain because I am not a wiccan. I end up using terms like witch. That is one of the reasons that I don’t go around announcing that I use “magic”, it just does not capture it for me.
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I think that at some point in the future, humans may be able to explain the things I have experienced.
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Alchemist — “I’ve known a few homoeopaths – their main objection to clinical studies has been the double blind meta analysis. They say that this method of trial is biased against homoeopathy. The reason they give is that homoeopathy is holistic – it treats the person and not the disease.”
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No, the reason is that homeopathy is a big steaming pile of horse crap. As Dawkins wrote, “There is such thing as being so open minded that your brain falls out.”
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This is one of those cases. If anyone is healed from these treatments, it is due to being touched by His Noodly Appendage and has nothing to do with the water. Let’s give credit where credit is due.
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RAmen,
OEJ
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@Alchemist – haven’t seen Rowdiest or any of the others posting in awhile (of course I haven’t been either) are they still kicking around?
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OEJ – I agree – it’s a steaming pile of shite. As I was saying to Pluto though – I was stating the position of the homoeopath – not my position. That’s why I keep using phrases like “They say”!
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(PS – are you the OEJ I know from last year?)
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O-e W. “Don’t those guys run or at least have a huge influence in your country? I really dispise the people who prey on the weak.”
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Well – we have a Constitutional Monarchy. They shouldn’t have an influence. They do though. Neither are class distinctions dead – we just like to pretend :D
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IB – yeah – the old guard are still kicking around :) We tend to keep to our private space these days (you know the address) – problem is here, after a while all the conversations have been exhausted and you just end up repeating yourself.
It’s not often a new topic turns up these days! For whatever reason?????
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Jump into the group again IB – I’m keeping *sort of* quiet for today – it’s got a scary oestrogen feel to it :)
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@ Iron Bess
Sorry, you got a little rabid about atheism a while back, so I’d taken a very sacrastic and confrontational approach to answering your questions lately. I tend to take umbrage(sp?) with anyone who tells me I shouldn’t be allowed to believe in a god, and that seemed to be the gist of one of your posts. I agree, micromanaging monotheism hurts all who cater to it, but that does not mean that there is nothing beyond what we currently understand, and that we can not interact with it. When I say that I am a witch, I mean that I believe I sense some things that those around me do not, or not until well after I do. I believe that I can effect changes in my life by means that science has yet to explain – not that it will never be able to – hell, I’d love to find out what the real scoop is myself! I believe that with these abilities that I have, I need to sometimes use them to help others, because I am not the only person out there with these talents, and not all with them are nice people. Some will use what they have to harm those who can’t defend themselves, and I cal myself a witch, drawing much ridicule and criticism, so that the ones out there who need my help and need to come to me, can.
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Most of the time I just run into them myself and pull them aside and ask them what them problem is, usually ending up with a wet shoulder as a complete stranger bursts into tears, such is life. I put up with being called a crazy old bat among other things for those who need to find me, not to convince anyone else of my validity.
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errr, correction: “ask them what THEIR problem is”
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seems I am incapable of making a post without one typo
Wench Cyka
Queen of Engrish
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@ Alchemist
I use crystals constantly, mostly to focus my concentration. Computer geeks have known for years that crystals vibrate at a certain frequency or some such, I am not sure if that’s what I am tapping into, I just know that if I want to achieve this purpose, this type of stone generally helps.
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That’ll be $500 please. Just kidding! I never charge anything for a single thing I do, though I do feel quite unappreciated when a person admits I’ve helped them, thanks me profusely, then doesn’t even buy me a lousy beer, flower, or card! Probably why I’m still not living in one of those many mansions.
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Hey, maybe I should fake a Jamaican accent… Call me now fer yer free readin!
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