Why pick Christians? Are Christians the only ones who actually push their beliefs onto others? I consider myself a Christian, but in no way am I a devote Christian. I do not believe in the bible, but think that the stories overall are more of guidelines by how to lead a life in which you are happy and are able to help others. I do think that it is “outdated” in a way. I believe in evolution and science and am not ignorant to solid, evident proof. I do hate it when “atheists” bash other religions, and they usually target Christianity. There are Muslims who die for their god and Jews who also try to spread their beliefs. I recently started going to college and have realized that there is one Christian club, but there are many more Jewish organizations, despite the fact that they are an apparent minority. This e-mail is just my expression that even though Christians DO try to push their beliefs onto others, there are other religions who do the same. And also, it’s not Christians in general. Christianity is the main trunk but the branches are the ones who have different views. I am Roman Catholic and I don’t think that we are the ones converting others even though we are still Christina. I know Mormons try to convert people but they are only one branch of Christianity. There may be different branches that do the same but as a whole, not all Christians are asshats who try to convert others.
-Marcin S
Ah yes, the fundamentals do so like to bicker over the precise meaning of the word “disbelief” don’t they? Such a tired and irrelevent argument in trying to level the playing field. A strawman argument I believe it’s called. Much in the same vein as when they so often state that educated scientists “believe” in evolution. With such willfully ignorant petty and translucent acrobatical semantic attempts to reduce non-believers and believers to be seen as competitors on same level.
Their argument therefore, does much injustice to their own stance.
I say good show to them for exposing their rather dishonest attempts at coercing the sheep flocks to follow their rubbish whilst paying for the priviledge of doing so.
the debate of whether atheism is a religion or not is just academic, my main point is that atheist who try to feircly push the idea of atheism are just as bad as the religions trying to convert people. Many people use their belief that atheism is not a religion as a kind of excuse. Many atheists are hypocrites in this manner.
Formless One` Oct 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
the debate of whether atheism is a religion or not is just academic, my main point is that atheist who try to feircly push the idea of atheism are just as bad as the religions trying to convert people. Many people use their belief that atheism is not a religion as a kind of excuse. Many atheists are hypocrites in this manner.
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They do it, because they are fundy assholes.
Punks at best.
Psh! I’m a Fundamental Agnostic and I’m potentially tired of all you Agnostic bashers merely dismissing Agnosticism as “fence sitting”.
“Agnostics claim either that it is not possible to have absolute or certain knowledge of the existence or nonexistence of God or gods; or, alternatively, that while individual certainty may be possible, they personally have no knowledge. Agnosticism in both cases involves some form of skepticism.”
As you can probably see, my Agnostic Dogma is very well worded and convincing-sounding. It comes more or less directly from the Agnostic Gospel of Wikipedia, which every good Agnostic may or may not know is either absolute truth or complete fabrication.
So there.
Hehehehehehehe…
RAmen G
May you eventually lean towards the warmth of His Noodly Appendages…..otherwise you may float off into space…
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G, i may or may not be offended by what you write, as i or a signifacant other can’t really tell. Agnosticism may be considered to be fence sitting, or it may not. who is to say they do not stand, or even lay down on the fence? There is no proof either way as to the position of agnostics on the fence, as no evidence has been given. I am, or am possibly not sceptical towards neutrality.
I hope i have been very confusing, yet clear at the same time.
Someone may have already said this, but someone who has faith could never accept the existence of any condition that proves their god doesn’t exist. Atheists can readily accept that a real proof of god can exist, and are eagerly waiting for one, therefore are not a kind of faith.
Dear Marcin S,
Please don’t lump Jews in with people who try to convert others to their religious beliefs–you’ve got it all wrong. Jews never proselytize: it’s explicitly contrary to their religion. In fact, rabbis are instructed to reject potential converts three times before proceeding with the conversion process. And conversion is NOT initiated by rabbis or by other Jews. As for your erroneous conclusion that more Jewish organizations on campus than Christian organizations means that more Jewish organizations equals Jews trying to convert others–why do you jump to that conclusion? Why not consider other explanations–for example, that there are divisions within Judaism (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist) and that each division might have its own organization? Believe me, Jews actively discourage converts–you will never see Jews trying to force their beliefs off on non-Jews. So please, get the facts before you make inaccurate pronouncements.