I saw your Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster website today.
Okay, it’s great to have a bit of a laugh, and I did when I read the bit about ‘our God having bigger balls than yours’ but I think you guys are taking it too far.
10 million people? Get real. No-one believes in that crap. Your only supporters are atheists, which means they don’t believe in a God.
Academic endorsements? You don’t need a PhD to understand God. Having a PhD does not mean that you can make judgements about God and religion, put them in a box and say “this is God”. No-one can do that.
Also, don’t you think that you might be offending some people? Openly discriminating another religion is not regarded as a decent thing to do. This is not the Crusades. Get with the times. We Christians don’t openly insult other religions on web pages, nor do they against us. There is nothing wrong with having a joke without poking fun at others.
Seriously, I think you guys are pathetic.
I’m not even going to try and counter your theories, because I don’t need to, they’re so stupid.
The reason I sent you this email was because I saw your hate mail page and thought I might contribute.
One last thing, to all you so-called ‘Christians’ out there posting hate-mail on this website, I don’t think you’re acting like a Christian if you threaten them with hell, or tell them God will punish them, because of the website.
You’re just as bad as the creators of the website.
Get a life, Mr. Henderson. Stop acting like a primary school kid.
You must be an AMerican, to come up with such crap.
If you want to actually be saved, read the real bible.
Please publish this on your hate mail page. Otherwise writing this email will have been in vain
-GSG
dammit sorry I double subimted sorry sorry sorry
I don’t know about you guys, but I think GSG needs a drink’n song…
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@IB Lots of us were forced into those concentration camps they label “churches” every Sunday when we were too young to protest. Well, some of us were craftier than others at getting tossed out on our ears for intellectual dispute - they would simply resort to physical violence for simple misbehavior. But to argue that nobody should ever be allowed to believe in any god ever, well that’s a little drastic. I have a firm scientific mind and do believe in observable science. I also believe that when I need to feed my kids and have no money anywhere, a well-done spell will bring a coincidental check for just enough to help me scrape by. Haven’t needed to use that one in a while, but it has worked, more than once, and for more than just me. And, I don’t care if you believe me, just that you allow that I have the right to believe that myself. I’ve helped many friends and even people I’ve severely disliked over the years with something you’d call pure shite, and will continue to do so, fervently hoping that nobody like you ends up in serious political power just the same as I hope that nobody like Dubya with a brain (if that’s even possible) ends up with enough power to do any damage to our religious freedom. I can say it is possible to believe in the however-many elements we’ve managed to create this week in a lab, and to also believe in Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and Spirit. A friend of mine once told me that all of magic is simply physics we just haven’t gotten smart enough to figure the math on yet. Considering the whole why isn’t gravity as strong as magnetism? How many dimansions are there really? questions science is posing right now, I’m beginning to think this might just be true. Sooo, until science catches up, I will do what those of my bloodline have done for thousands of years to get by, and smile to remember that my kind have survived the worst of the persecutions. I seriously doubt that even one witch worth her salt died in Salem. Most likely, all those poor women knew absolutely nothing of the craft, making it even more moronic than it already was. Also, not all gods feel the need to say that they are the only one. They might not all get along all the time, but hey, do we? And what’s wrong with believing in science and fairies and dragons and whatnot at the same time?
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I adore science; I can’t learn enough. Once my kids are old enough to all be in school themselves, I plan to re-enroll, retake org chem, physics with calc, and keep on going as far as I can. Now, I plan to take evening classes on herbalism! Become a Reiki master! And a whole buncha other stuff that atheists would call rotting my brain! AHAHAHAHA!
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The point is, if you’re not pushing your beliefs on anyone else, nobody should be criticizing you for Having them! I love my gods, each and every one, and other than the FSM, I have no intention of sharing them. But also, I don’t like being maligned for believing in something either. It is not a crutch, believe me. In my case, it’s more like a burden. How would you like to see someone you’d really rather avoid, but suddenly get the feeling that you must help them, now?? Been there, done that. No, not even a thank you card. Most people seem to think, even when they’re convinced you’re the real-deal, that you simply owe them your services.
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Eh, here I go venting again! But dontcha think after the third time you read someone’s tarot cards, and they turn white cause you were accurate even though they didn’t tell you their question, that they should at least buy you a beer? I mean damn! Maybe I got the wrong crowd for this question, but a certain someone really chapped my ass last night. Like laying out those cards and reading them takes no more energy than dealing a hand of poker! Bitches! To the gang plank with em! Er tak with no warnin! GRRRRR!
“The reason I sent you this email was because I saw your hate mail page and thought I might contribute.”
“Please publish this on your hate mail page. Otherwise writing this email will have been in vain”
Didn’t get much attention from your parents when you where a child did you?
So many words… So few Santa Clause’s
@Peter Popoff Sep 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pm: “So many words… So few Santa Clause’s”
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Don’t worry: he’s only a misunderstood Murican version of the all Flemish/Dutch Sinterklaas: same color scheme, same beard, just a sloppy pronounciation of the name, and a bit lazy. That’s why he only appears ’round december the 25th, instead of the 6th. The original guy (a bishop from very early xianity in a tregion that’s now part of Turkey: hey: turkey: Xmas!) is kinda evasive too: our children songs say… err sing that he lives in Spain most of the year, and the kids over there don’t know the guy at all, since they get their presents from those Three King blokes, on january the 6th. In my region there’s also another saint reputed to give presents to the kids, on november the 11th: Sint Maarten. How much more confused can we get? So here’s the solution:
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You undertake a trip to this here region, shortly before november the 11th, and look out for a guy on a horse, ready to part his cloak with his sword. If you behave, you might receive a present. If not, you’re cold meat (the sword!).
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You survived the former stage, and stay a while, or come back ’round december the 6th, and look out for a guy (bearded this one) on a horse, in the company of a servant of very dark complexion. Remember to look up: he’s usually riding on the rooftops. If he believes your story about having been nice the past year, you might receive a present. If not, you go in the dark-skinned servant’s sack.
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You survived the former stage as well, and stay a while, or come back ’round december the 25th, and look out for a bearded guy without a horse, but sitting in a sleigh pulled by reindeer. You’ll see them coming pretty easily: the leading animal has a glowing nose. If this bearded lookalike of the former bearded person also believes your story about having been nice the past year, you might receive a present. If not, you go with him to the North Pole, and will work in his toy factory, for ,free, during a full year.
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You survived the former stage as well, and take the plane to Spain ’round january the 6th, and look out for three wise old guy on camels. Guys and camels usually arrive by helicopter at Barajas, Madrid’s airport, and Spanish television is there too: you can’t miss them. Take your umbrella with you, and pop it inside-out: it will be useful that way to catch as much sweets and caramels (15 tons last year!) as possible. Don’t care about having been nice or not: it’s the fiesta that counts. Don’t forget: you survived three heavy ordeals, but now you’re in Spain! And the Inquisition nobody expects doesn’t exist there anymore.
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RAmen
Hahahaha!
You’re killin’ me here JB! LOL
As my email prolly won’t be sent, i’ll post it here. btw, I totally agree with the dude who sent this email.
Sent: Sept 28:
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First, I want to say sorry for the inappropriate post. If you go back a page or two, you may see it. That’s not what I should have done. For that I am sorry. Secondly…. Is this a joke? Why are you so anti-Christian that you would go so far as to try and make the government not teach any creation theory? We have heard enough outta Darwin about how the earth “evolved”. He even admitted that what he wrote he did not believe. So, that leaves Pastafarianism and Christianity. To start, how many people are seriously going to take pasta as their lord? It’s just so rediculous. That’s all I can say. Not to mention that the more science reveales, the more it backs the Bible up. Now, on the last note, and this kinda applys to all “religions” (k, that brings up another note…) Christianity is the only “religion” that has a saviour to come and rescue his people. Every other religion, and I refer to them as religion of purpose, has prophets going around and telling people about their “god”. Our God actually sent his son to die for us, as well as prophets. Now, on the religion thing. Christianity is more than religion. It is THE way. It is how we live our life. You can be a “Christian” and do rituals and stuff like that, or you can be a Christian, and you just do what God has told you to do. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t pray because the Bible says to, I mean, don’t do things out of show, rather do them because you really love Jesus.
Now, to all the other h8rs:
Quite sending hate mail like that. We should be examples of Christ. I urge you to be careful with your choice of words. You cannot take them back!
Adam
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BTW, don’t pick apart the spelling, such as Saviour. I’m Canadian, so I spell some things Canadian, and others American. Thanks
“As my email prolly won’t be sent” — I meant posted. Sorry
Adam Sep 28th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
“Why are you so anti-Christian that you would go so far as to try and make the government
not teach any creation theory?
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Adam to challenge a scientific theory which has been supported by a mountain of evidence
over the past ~165yrs, for a religous theory to be accepted for consideration as an
alternative, creationists would need to put a viable scientific theory with supporting scientific
evidence forward.
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All the creationist/IDists have proposed is religious *theory* based on FAITH in the stories contained in a ~2000yr old religous text. A book which itself has been added to and edited by many over that time.
Creationist *theory* has no scientific basis and offers no scientific alternative/contoversy to
evolution. Pastafarian theory is just as viable an alternative to creation theory and has as
much (I believe more) scientific evidence. Can you prove that the FSM is not the true creator
Adam?
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All the creationist/ID pseudo science claims have already been debunked as inscientific
(putting it mildly) the reputable scientific community.
You can find every one of the ID claims and the explainations of why each of them don’t constitute any scientific basis here:
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Click on any one of those claims Adam and you’ll see how they are proved wrong.
Also, do you never wonder why none of your creationist *scientists* have never had any of
their creation science ideas published in any of the hundreds of globally respected and peer
reviewed science journals?
Again, creation theory is a religous theory based on faith. It is not a scientific theory and
offers no alternative scientific perspective to challenge evolution!
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“We have heard enough outta Darwin about how the earth “evolved”. He even admitted that
what he wrote he did not believe.”
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Care to back that statement up with some factual evidence, like maybe a reference or even a
quote?
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“Not to mention that the more science reveales, the more it backs the Bible up.”
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Again, could we have some evidence to support your claim please? Thanks :)
Nikkiee,
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Great post.
Thanks ۞
For some reason I get the impression that Adam hasn’t doen a lot of independent research for himself, so
I’ll redo the link for him minus the period at the front: (just pretend that I fixed the opther typos as well :)
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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/
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“The reason they don’t get published in respected peer reviewed science journals is because they’re rubbish.”
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I think Adam’s post deserves it’s own publication…on condition he promises to stick around and *support* it :))
Arrgh….typo demons in my fingers!
@ Adam. Oh dear, i have a question though. How do you function in society?
Ok, i’ll put you in a hypothetical situation. You are standing in the middle of the road. On the left hand side, there is a school which is highly recommended for its scientific research and training. On the right hand side, there is a church. The members of each of these institutions dislike the other, because tey hae differing belief systems. Now, would it be fair for the government to come in and say “The church now runs the school”. Now, i’ve thought of your perspective on this, and you’ll probably say yes. But what if the government came in and said “The school now runs the church”, how would you feel about that?
There should not be a bias in society, and especially not in a government. People can make their minds up on their own. If they want science, go to school where they can learn Darwinism and evolution (which was never defamed by its own discoverer), and if you want spirituality, go to a church. But leave the two seperate, and for FSM sake make them take out a restraining order on eachother. And science bcking up the bible? NEVER, NOT ONCE HAS THIS EVER OCCURED. The only possible times when this seems to have happened is when the bible infiltrates science ie. Intelligent Design.
And about your question, who accepts pasta as their holy deity. we do, i pose to you the question: Who in their right mind accepts a higher power that there is no evidence of theat can be detected by any of the 5 human senses, therefore making there no proof at all?
By the way, you should probably research Islam a bit more. you see, they believe that Jesus was just a prophet of Allah. who knows, perhaps Jesus was just as/more deluded than you.
@All Wenches & Pirates
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Why do I have the impression we won’t hear of this Adam anymore?
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We lost more debaters like that. And called it “hit and run”. Run without noticing having hit something miles off-target. A cabbage or a cactus, or what else…
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I’d like to see a Canadian Pastafarian post something now. Just to show another face of Canada. Puhleese?
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RAmen
Guess you’re right Jean Bart.
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OK, all together now Pirates and Wenches:Oehoe, Adam, message for you:
CHICKEN!!!!!
I’m sorry to dissapoint you. But I don’t hit and run. Actually, I like to stick things out to the end.
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@Wench Nikkiee:
“It is not scientific theory and offers no alternative scientific to challenge evolution”
Well, although there is no proof, let me define science for you:
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1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.
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I want you to notice numbers 2 and 5. Please notice that it is through observations. Slice and dice 5 as you may, systematic study would still include observation. Have you ever seen a monkey give birth to anything other than a monkey? I sure haven’t…. And, you can’t say it happened over million’s of years. That’s not observation. That’s guess work. And you sure can’t experiment (to a degree) for evolution. You can create a new dog breed outta a dog. But I won’t see no cat be born of a dog. Macro evolution is false. Micro is real. It happens all the time. In humans, it’s height and life expetancy, and sometimes skin colour.
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@Commodore Angryy:
Science has indeed backed up Christianity. Look at the order at which things came to supposedly evolve in. Now look at the order that the Bible gives. The Bible has been out a lot longer than the evolutionist theory. That’s pretty backed up. I’ll give you the Creation ‘theory’:
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Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
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Please give us the evolution theory and the source if you are so inclined. Thank you.
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Finally, how do you explain miracles. This guy in my church:
He was fixing a car, and it fell and shattered (yes, shattered) nearly every bone is his hand. He could not do anything. The doctor’s said he’d have to quit his job as a mechanic. We prayed over it, and immediatly it was healed. As in, the bones were perfectly patched, just as they had been.
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Adam
btw, it that was NIV.
Adam, i suggest you stop being a smug little shit if you want people to take you seriously. Wench Nikkiee does NOT need definitions of science, she in fact studies science at University, i think she knows what it is. Evolution is backed up by REAL science by the way. ever heard of genetics by chance? do you find it odd at all that we share 98% of our DNA with Chimpanzees? i don’t really think that can be classed as coincidence. Chimps are therefore ugly humans. I am a beautiful monkey. On top of that, there has been research into river systems. One river broke off into two, fossils were found in the original river bed to show there was only one species of fish. Over the next 500 years (yes 500, not even millions), there were two distinctly different populations of fish, each with very similar phenotypes, yet still different. This is evolution at its best.
And how dare you assume to know i have not red the bible? i certainly don’t reject somehing without knowing about it, where you so obviously have.
Your little miracle thing there, wondrous the things a placebo effect can do. But i ask you, he thanks god for fixing his hand. Did he not curse god for making a car fall on it in the first place? or was that the devil’s work?
Also, if you want to learn about evolution, do your own research, that’s what everyone else does. It’s mighty convenient for you to have all your ‘evidence’ in one book though.
Lastly, i would appreciate it very much if you would explain this a little further, just to fully understand the point you’re making. “Science has indeed backed up Christianity. Look at the order at which things came to supposedly evolve in. Now look at the order that the Bible gives. The Bible has been out a lot longer than the evolutionist theory. That’s pretty backed up.”
@Adam Sep 30th, 2007 at 1:40 am
“I’m sorry to dissapoint you.”
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Not at all disappointed Adam :) Now can you define a *scientific theory* for me? Also have you had any exposure to evolutionary theory other than what your religious masters have told you? From what you have just said, I very much doubt it. Never mind I’ve studied science including evolutionary biology, so we can go through it slowly if you like :)
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“And, you can’t say it happened over million’s of years. That’s not observation. That’s guess work.”
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No Adam not guess work, but a process involving formulation of an hypothesis based on observance of naturaly occurring mechanisms and patterns. These hypotheses have then been tested through collection and analysis of data. These experiments have then been repeated by other scientists wishing to verify the results…that’s called peer review…something the ID/YEC pseudoscientists leave out of their so called *scientific* method.
Whence many many hypothesis have been shown to support a theory it is accepted as a scientific theory. A scientific theory is one which has never been falsified.
We also have analytical techniques nowadays which determine the relatedness of DNA between organisms (this is more my area now).
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Adam, in the past ~165yrs there has not been any significant scientific evidence which disputes the theory of evolution. If fact all pharmacology (design of medicines) and investigation of genetic diseases is done by employing knowledge of evolutionary principles. This is what’s happening in the real world as I type. The results of the sequencing genomes of more, and more diverse organisms also continues to support and verify a common anscestor. This is what is posited by evolutionary theory.
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Did you know that an eye gene in a fruit fly can be replaced by the homologous human eye gene (PAX6 for anyone interested :p) with resulting functional development of sight in the fly? Or same in an earthworm?
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You really do need to learn a lot more about evolutionary theory before you start to debate it’s credibilty Adam.
By the way, can you give me the scientific definition of what IDist/YECs call a *kind*
Also if you wish to discuss evolutionary theory, can you look up the correct definition of speciation? Thanks :))
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I won’t be around any longer tonight (nighttime here in OZ) but will be back tomorrow :)