Religion beat became a test of faith

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I just read this article in The Los Angeles Times. A religion columnist for the Times questions his faith after the stories he covered deeply affected him: ex-Mormans ostracized by their friends and family for leaving the Church, the Catholic Church molestation and cover-up scandal, exploitation of the desperate by TV evangelists, etc.

Part of what drew me to Christianity were the radical teachings of Jesus — to love your enemy, to protect the vulnerable and to lovingly bring lost sheep back into the fold.

As I reported the story, I wondered how faithful Mormons — many of whom rigorously followother biblical commands such as giving 10% of their income to the church — could miss so badly on one of Jesus’ primary lessons?

I sought solace in another belief: that a church’s heart is in the pews, not the pulpits. Certainly the people who were reading my stories would recoil and, in the end, recapture God’s house. Instead, I saw parishioners reflexively support priests who had molested children by writing glowing letters to bishops and judges, offering them jobs or even raising their bail while cursing the victims, often to their faces.

TBN [Trinity Broadcasting Network]’s creed is that if viewers send money to the network, God will repay them with great riches and good health. Even people deeply in debt are encouraged to put donations on credit cards.

“If you have been healed or saved or blessed through TBN and have not contributed … you are robbing God and will lose your reward in heaven,” Paul Crouch, co-founder of the Orange County-based network, once told viewers. Meanwhile, Crouch and his wife, Jan, live like tycoons.

I highly recommend reading it. These are issues that caused a lot of people to lose faith in their religion - or at least faith in members and leaders of their religion. Happily, many have found a home here. I find these sorts of articles way more interesting than those by atheists and the anti-religious. Anyway, read it if you have a chance.

Here’s the link

108 Responses to “Religion beat became a test of faith”

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  1. 41 - August 14th, 2007 at 5:52 pm - thesorgo Says:

    Hello all.
    I just got back from a 10 day trek on the Appalation Trail so I’ve been missing out on the fun.
    .
    I love how fundamentals seem to overlook all the bad points or if they do notice them they attribute it to Satan or God’s mysterious ways. I think we should open a rehab for people on religion

  2. 42 - August 14th, 2007 at 6:44 pm - Avatar of Reason Says:

    I’m always glad to hear that a person has paused to examine why he or she believes something. I’m just sad that Mr. Lobdell had to witness such pain in order to do so. The article was, without any doubt, worth the read.
    -Avatar of Reason

  3. 43 - August 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm - ceardan Says:

    I come from a very fundy background and I can say that this guy has never questioned his own beliefs or the system surrounding them. You must remember that the xtian belief system promotes blind faith and ignorance as opposed to enlightened thought processes.

  4. 44 - August 14th, 2007 at 10:55 pm - Red DutchPasta Wench Says:

    @Iron Bess: LOL! great joke :))
    *
    Just read a letter from a doctor who send a big cheque to amnesty and then sent a letter to his arch-bishop demanding to be excommunicated. The pope had said that if amnesty kept up their support for women to have abortions (you know if gangraped in war for instance) all good catholics should stop their support. The doctor has now said he thinks amnesty is far more worthy, cares about people, not just dogma or the institute, and therefore demands to be ex-communicated.
    *
    Now there is someone I like! He didn’t sound like a commited catholic by the way, he called it being enrolled as a baby.

  5. 45 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:12 am - Navigator Spider Says:

    Again, apologies for absence, but they do say it make the heart grow fonder…anyhow back to the broadsides
    .
    “…Even if God does not exist, is it bad? Is it wrong to live in blissful ignorance? Even if people are giving shed loads of money to some lying bar steward, if it makes them truly happy, what right do we have to rescue them?..”
    .
    right then. yes it is bad. their acceptance of religion gives justification to belief systems not based on fact. this justifies fanaticism and radicalism since how can one superstition be any more or less valid than another? by accepting blissful ignorance they ensure the environment in which more radical beliefs are allowed to flourish, those which they would probably deem “wrong”. the right we have to demand that religion validate itself or to be frank, goes away is that we have to share a planet with the murdering, robbing, hating deluded psychopaths. I’d quite like them to stop killing and destroying and generally using up finite resources in the name of a mythical being.
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    Remember kids, religion is toxic, there’s no safe background level. just say no.

  6. 46 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:18 am - ۞ Says:

    @LordSpamulon,
    .
    If you think the Pope is a virgin you’re the naive one.
    All those nuns ‘married’ to God and you’re God’s emissary on earth…

  7. 47 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:21 am - ۞ Says:

    DPG,
    .
    I didn’t notice Krony do anything other than standard stonewalling and denial.
    He asked me for some evidence to support the point that the Bible is dreadful as a source of moral guidance and after we provided him with some he wandered off and never came back.
    .
    When ever the going gets tough the fundies always get going.

  8. 48 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:27 am - ۞ Says:

    @Avatar of Reason,
    .
    The article ends with Lobdell asking to give up his religion desk at the LA Times.
    He hasn’t it appears given up his faith (yet).
    I think he may be entering a state of denial. He doesn’t want to do religious stories anymore because the confound his faith so he’s going in to intellectual hiding from the truth.
    .
    I’ll finish with the same line as my previous e-mail about Krony:
    .
    When ever the going gets tough the fundies always get going.

  9. 49 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:35 am - ۞ Says:

    RDPW,
    .
    Can you find any links to an article about the Enlightened Doctor?

  10. 50 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:36 am - ۞ Says:

    @Navigator Spider,
    RAmen Brother. RAmen.

  11. 51 - August 15th, 2007 at 4:43 am - DutchPastaGuy Says:


    “I didn’t notice Krony do anything other than standard stonewalling and denial.
    He asked me for some evidence to support the point that the Bible is dreadful as a source of moral guidance and after we provided him with some he wandered off and never came back.”
    .
    I judge krony less harsh. I think he has been engaged in sincere discussion. I have frequently found his reasoning flawed and as he defaulted on the debate on evidence all his posts are hypothetical discussion from thereon. But that doesn’t exclude the possibility to discuss things like if the bible is a good basis for morality etc (where again I disagree with much of what he says, but I appreciate the discussion). I have also found it necessary to repeat questions sometimes, but I’m sure I missed some questions posed to me sometimes. Krony is still around on the ‘comments, email, chat’ thread. Why not put your short and concise questions to him again?

  12. 52 - August 15th, 2007 at 5:05 am - Red DutchPasta Wench Says:

  13. 53 - August 15th, 2007 at 5:31 am - DutchPastaGuy Says:

    There also was a comment from a Catholic on the BBC blog who promptly became an Amnesty contributor after the Vaticans stunt. See first comment in the discussion section on
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2007/06/a_tale_of_two_boycotts.html

  14. 54 - August 15th, 2007 at 5:46 am - Iron Bess Says:

    @ Sign Guy- “The article ends with Lobdell asking to give up his religion desk at the LA Times. He hasn’t it appears given up his faith (yet).”
    .
    Actually I just traded emails back and forth with Mr Lobdell and to me he very much sounds like he has given up on his faith. I congratulated him for seeing the light and welcomed him to reality.

  15. 55 - August 15th, 2007 at 6:09 am - Red DutchPasta Wench Says:

    Iron Bess, invite him over here :)

  16. 56 - August 15th, 2007 at 6:17 am - Iron Bess Says:

    DPG, I considered it, but I wasn’t sure if he was ready for this or not. From his article he seemed to be pretty shakey about the whole thing. My concern is, if he sees some of the hardcore atheists and our wildly anti-religion tirades too soon, it may drive him back to the dark side.
    .
    But then again, it may just be what the reality doctor ordered? What do you think?

  17. 57 - August 15th, 2007 at 6:18 am - Iron Bess Says:

    Sorry…I meant RDPW!

  18. 58 - August 15th, 2007 at 6:24 am - DutchPastaGuy Says:

    @Iron Bess
    You probably meant to address your point to RDPW instead of me. But while I’m typing anyway….maybe send him a copy of the Gospel of the FSM to give him a light-hearted introduction? Or send him the link of the summary of the CoFSM I wrote a while back (sorry for more self-advertisement).

  19. 59 - August 15th, 2007 at 6:25 am - DutchPastaGuy Says:

    Ah, croos-posting, you corrected it yourself already.

  20. 60 - August 15th, 2007 at 7:04 am - ۞ Says:

    @Iron Bess,
    .
    I think losing your faith is a difficult process and you should’t rush him.
    He explains in the article that his wife wanted him to convert to Catholicism so he may have some domestic issues about his realisation.
    .
    Interesting to here more to the story. He doesn’t say in the article his faith has been demolished. I’m glad to hear he has and can only wish him well in his new journey to reconstruct his understanding of the world as it really is not how some people want it to be.

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