I find this sad. And this is coming from a 14 year old girl that has been raised as a Christian. This is stupid. If you wanted to attract attention then do something else. But make up a religion and trying to find information to back it up is just sad. I wonder how you even thought about such thing. Was you bored in your room or something? I wonder how your parents think about this. And honestly why would you want kids or young adults to learn about such thing? Do you want to brain wash them or something with your made up theory? Seriously, just drop the whole thing & find something else to do.
Good day, anonymous
xbehave – I’ve got a decent range of punctuation available. Only 10p per apostrophe. Commas free :))
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@ SE
true that. but consider … it’s quite obvious that christians get confused about alot of things. if they get confused between their god and his earthly representation, that simply doesn’t surprise me. It may also just be an excuse for the “do not worship false idols” thing, if they say they’re the same thing, they must be safe.
@ everyone
new ammo against the church!
the pope used to serve under Hitler. may be surprising, but when you look closely the nazis and fundies hate all the same people: gypsies, blacks, jews etc.
also, judging by geographical origin, Jesus was alot darker skinned than most christians like to believe. you say that to a fundie, it’s like starting a personal holy war.
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Jebus was white…just like der Fuhrer……
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BCA
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Yep, Hitler was very Aryan: blond hair, tall figure!!! LOL!
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Zieg heil! Zieg heil! Right in der fuhrer’s face….
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Imma Chargin’ mah lazer for Hitler. Shoop das whoop. SS Shoop.
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Lilith, you minx….
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@RDPW
Ok,just dropping in here for a very short bit. Was that Dutch station the EO by anychance¿ In that case I would not surprise me too much. If it was any other (KRO?) then things would be worse than I thought in the Netherlands.
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I wonder what would happen if people spread rumors that Jesus was gay. Do you think Christians would deny it or stop persecuting homosexuals?
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I find this sad. And this is coming from a 17 year old guy that has been raised as a human. This reply is stupid. If you wanted to attract attention then do something else. But to write a letter in response something you dont like is just stupid. I wonder how you even thought about such thing. Was you bored in your room or something? I wonder how your parents think about this. And honestly why would you want kids or young adults to read such a thing? Do you want to brain wash them or something with your insults? Seriously, just drop the whole thing & find something else to do.
*As we can see with a few changes here and there we can turn the tables on the original post.
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“Stereotypical Environmentalist…
Jul 28th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
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I wonder what would happen if people spread rumors that Jesus was gay. Do you think Christians would deny it or stop persecuting homosexuals?”
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There already is a theory to that effect. It’s even in wikipedia!
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@ SE
the church, at least in australia no longer persecutes homosexuals. i here things to the effect of ‘god loves fags’, whenever the topic comes up in class. and anyway, the church would deny that jesus is gay, no doubt about it. the funnier thing would be to ask them after this denial if they can prove it, possibly through a relationship with Mary Magdeline.
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Just because jesus hung out with men doesn’t make him gay.
Although he must have had a weird relationship with his mother.
Did Jesus know his mother was a virgin? Does he mention it?
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joseph tried to raise caine but wasn’t abel.
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Wait, this sound’s familiar I can’t put my finger on it. “make up a religion and trying to find information to back it up” That sounds like something some one else has done before I just don’t know who.
“Was you bored in your room or something?”
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@ christian/atheist- i think christianity was created by some person who tried to make up a religion and failed to find facts behind. FSMism is the only religion which has proven facts behind it.
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DPG, yes it was. Only the EO is stupid enough for that. Kijk eens op de site van de bond tegen het vloeken! Prachtig echt prachtig!
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From some (several) posts back, there were a few people blaming the bad behavior of Christians on the Bible. Please. Their behavior, like anyone else’s in the world, is due to the choices they made for themselves, not on an object. If someone, who is a Christian, persecutes someone that is gay, that is their choice (not a good one of course) and they are responsible for their actions. The same arguement can me made for any religious group – terroristic actions taken by someon is not not the fault of the Koran, but the fault of the person that decided to kill innocents by blowing themselves up in a market place. They made the choice, not a book. If an athesist were to kill someone, the fault does not lie upon the idea that they don’t have a religion, but on their own will and actions. Don’t blame the Bible for people’s stupid choices.
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Weird thought – in church today we got to listen to the story of Sodom and Gammorah (I always get a kick out of the “naughty” stories). The idiot girl who obviously had never looked at the story before noon, and pronounced Gammorah like Gamora – the monster from the Godzilla monsters. After laughing myself sick over this, I thought, of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Look what the internet has done to me…it also helped to calm me just a tad when I wanted to smack the stupid priest for his ignorance of world history and WWII.
RAmen.
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Ruler of the Seamonkeys,
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If you were reading my post, I thought I was clear that I wasn’t blaming their behaviour on the Bible.
You are absolutely right people are responsible for their own actions and must not be allowed to blame an idea.
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I was pointing out that the Bible doesn’t make people better. It isn’t good moral guidance. I think it can make them worse because they take on the bad bits in a bad way and justify their action because of all the vagueness.
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When you look at the ‘GOD HATES FAGS’ Christians they fiercely justify their actions using the bible.
You’re right. They can’t do that. THEY hate gays and are using the bible as a front.
THEY are nasty people using a feeble book as an excuse.
But you must be able to see that their ability to foist their spite upon the bible makes it harmful in that case.
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My point was that some atheists have sleep walked in to the idea that the bible is good moral guidance but factual nonsense.
In truth it is neither of factual or moral merit and potentially harmful because of its vague rambling opaque style.
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Why do religions need to write such dreadful books?
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In fact you support my main point – that reading the bible does not infuse people with goodness.
People are made good or bad by different, longer and more complex processes that reading a single book.
If you do read a book, don’t make it the bible folks, you won’t understand it. It won’t mean anything to you and you will end up more confused. Oh and treat anyone who proposes to interpret it for you with great suspicion. People have got off on some very very bad tracks from that book.
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@ Ruler of the Seamonkeys.
it seems someone is forgetting the fundies.
of course when there is a person who takes the bible as the word of god, they’re going to hate everyone it tells them to hate.
i mean, ۞ is right, the bible does ranmble in a manner about as clear as mud, but still when it directly says that faggotry is an abomination, this does insight everyone who draws all their power and guidance from the bible to have a severe and unrelenting hatred of any minority group attacked in that horrible excuse for a book.
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@RDPW,
¨@DPG, yes it was. Only the EO is stupid enough for that. Kijk eens op de site van de bond tegen het vloeken! Prachtig echt prachtig!¨
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Haha, that was good fun, the Spanish Catholic church is upset because someone else is cashing in on the jesus thingy. What´s next, a lawsuit alledging that the Catholic church has a patent on that sort of business tactic?
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@angryyoungatheist
¨it seems someone is forgetting the fundies.¨
Fundies needed for something? Right here if anyone wants me :) If you need someone to yell at dishonest christians like Humble Pie just let me know.
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to anonymous Christian-
you are really doing a poor job representing your homeboy J with your terrible grammar. if you are going to criticize- at least do it with some dignity.
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ill just take the commas then!
Im working on a remote desktop using a spanish keyboard that it thinks is american, and im only used to british keyboards, so my lack of punctuation is because im offering you the freedom to punctuate it however you want! it ahs ntohing to do with the fact non of these keys do what they´re meant to!¡
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Last time I looked in the Bible there were some really good messages about loving your neighbor, the idea of forgiveness, charity, and peace. How can that not be a guide to good behavior? Whether or not you accept the word of Christ isn’t the point I am trying to make. Again, I don’t care if you do or don’t. But you are rejecting all of the messages, the good ones because of the convolutedness (is that even a word?) of the Bible and some crappy messages. I agree that some of the stories in the Bible I think are historical bullshit, but the Bible wasn’t meant to be a historical document. It is a tool to help people guide their lives in a more righteous path. The Bible was written by many people over long periods of time, even long after the events took place. I recognize that. The message of goodness and love -not the hate which was a product of the time period it was written in, is what is important. What is wrong with promoting the idea to treat others good and justly? Nothing and hey, that is a common theme within society at large.
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People talk about the need for an open mind, I am not seeing that too much here. People’s faith, their ability to chose what they want to believe in is just as legitimate as the choice not to and is protected here in the US under the Constitution. Have and show a little tollerance towards someone that has faith and they might be just as willing to listen to you. Not necessarily accept, but just listen.
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As for fundamentalists…I can’t explain them. I’ve got friends that are and I tend to stay far away from talks about religion with them. It isn’t worth the headache. Of course if I am in a really bad mood and want to mess with them, I can always throw them with mentioning the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Heck, I might even do that the next time the Mormons or the Jehovah’s Witnesses come by….mwahhhh!!! This will beat me telling them that I worship satan….
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Ruler of The Seamonkeys,
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The tale of good Samaritan is actually a fantastic secular parable and of course meritous regardless of how much factual accuracy it does or doesn’t have. The Samaritan doesn’t appear to be motivated by a fear of God simply a glowing humanity.
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That doesn’t negate there’s a lot of stuff in the bible that is too often and too easily misinterpreted or just plain abused for vile purposes.
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The point remains that if people who don’t know better read it they at risk of picking up the wrong message and furthermore we see people doing just that all over the world.
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The Witnesses are a good example you’ve given.
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The bible has a few good bits and a lot of crud. Why don’t you try editing it a bit?
It contains two almost complete accounts of Jesus’s life. That is just dreadful editing.
Do the fundies think God forgot what he’d said and started again. Why are the accounts slightly different?
What it looks like is an a ecclectic collection of other documents in various styles from various social and political doctorines dragged together over time.
The historians assure me that is exactly what it is.
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We can agree at ‘a few good messages – read with care and not for the young or naive’.
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How about it?
I’m ranting against the urban myth that the bible is good moral guidance. The net balance is no. A couple of good ideas buried in something so long, tedious and badly written isn’t a book of good moral guidance.
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Most people would agree that we shouldn’t stone adulterers to death. But on the other hand that is the book that says we must in one part (Leviticus)! Later some bloke wriggles out of it – clearly breaking the law of God which shall ’shall surely be stoned to death’ not ‘unless you can think up some new clause and avoid it’. ’shall surely’ pretty imperitive to me.
How is that good moral guidance? It’s at least confusing and may teach people to cheat and engage in trickery.
PS: In Leviticus is says the man and the women should be stoned but in the parable they only mention her. Had they already done the man in or don’t we know?
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@ ۞
even in today’s society, if a wman cheats on her partner, or has many relationships in a short period of time, she is indeed considered a whore. she won’t be stoned to death, but will in most cases be looked down upon.
contrary to this, most males who have many relationships (cheating is usually still frowned upon), are considered champions. perhaps it was the same back then?
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And before I go, I’ve never had a good answer to this.
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Jesus was with out sin. Why didn’t he cast the first stone? It is the law of God.
Why does he get special pleading, or was he in that act changing the law of God?
If he was why doesn’t the book say so rather than this obscurist and discardable point about being without sin?
I’ve never committed adultery, should I cast the first stone?
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I’m not trying to be smart but the obscure and patchy way it is written leaves us with all sorts of question.
If you’re presenting a book about morality leaving us with all sorts of questions is not very good.
Particularly if it extends to the morality of whether mobs should stone people to death.
NB: All the atheists on this site will agree that you shouldn’t and they don’t need some stupid book to work that out.
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۞, i think even jesus was with sin.
he kind of smashed up the temple a bit.
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Blessed are the cheese makers…
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@Shits Cat
Freudian slip…subconscious statement of principle…nothing more…no identity crisis simply a typographical error…I’m not a mad pussy…
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm, typographical error, that what they all say :P Silly kitty :))))
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۞ writes “Most people would agree that we shouldn’t stone adulterers to death.”
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Well of course not. That’s just silly. Stones are hard to find on a ship. Walking the plank or keel hauling will have to do.
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a good tar and feathering will usually do also.
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@OEJ
“Most people would agree that we shouldn’t stone adulterers to death.”
I’ll take two sharp ones and a packet of gravel…
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@Ships Cat
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He’s not the Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy!
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@OEJ
I’m Brian and so is my wife…
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How about make them drink grog until they find Penelope Pimple beautiful then let the adulterer have sex with her. Take lots of pictures and put them on the fridge in the ship’s galley.
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Much better than stoning someone to death, that way they will pay for their sins for years and years when the Pirates and Wenches torment them with the evidence.
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Is it adultery if the significant other participates or has knowledge of the act?
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Why should a pirate care if the significant other is getting some on the side? Hell, a true pirate would see if they can get involved. Sexual promiscuity and fidelity are really separate things.
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@ Ships Cat – Hiya buddy!!!!
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@ Iron Bess – Now that would really be justice! I know a family that put a “passed out on the bathroom floor” photo of their teenaged son on the fridge.
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@ OEW – “Is it adultery if the significant other participates or has knowledge of the act?” – No. Nor is it cheating. Both adultery and cheating, IMO, imply lying or at least non-disclosure. That’s what makes it wrong from my perspective.
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Mmmmm – interesting point about adultery – but the xians would say yes because you can’t be married to more than one person.
Hi everyone!
Love the “revenge photo” idea *Booty puts that idea away for future reference* :)
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Hi Booty!!!!! How’s it going? I loved the revenge photo idea too! :)))
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Rowdiest – I agree with you that the root of the issue is the lie.
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fitting for the topic: HAPPPY HUP DAY!
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Sorry, i meant to say: HAPPY HUMP DAY
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@ OEW – I don’t know how it can be Hump Day again already, but it sure seems to be!
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hump day comes around whenever it wants to
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Rowdiest – your hubby must be happy about that.
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@ OEW – Hahahahahaha! Yep, he always is! :)))
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It’s a beautiful day in the neighbourhood, what do you all say about calling it a day and finding a small outdoor pub where we can all meet, drink grog and sing sea shanties in the sunshine?
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Wow that sounds good Bess! But I have to leave town to teach a riding lesson to a very depressed 13-year-old girl! I don’t have the energy for it today – dealing with some stuff myself. Oh well, I’ll be thinking of grog and sea shanties!
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