I find this sad. And this is coming from a 14 year old girl that has been raised as a Christian. This is stupid. If you wanted to attract attention then do something else. But make up a religion and trying to find information to back it up is just sad. I wonder how you even thought about such thing. Was you bored in your room or something? I wonder how your parents think about this. And honestly why would you want kids or young adults to learn about such thing? Do you want to brain wash them or something with your made up theory? Seriously, just drop the whole thing & find something else to do.
Good day, anonymous
brainwash??? i think the bible has brainwashed more ppl than this theory. why follow everything you are taught….i belive you should question every theory youve ever heard of, question everything…dont follow what someone told you…you have a brain use it! you’re an individual. i think its intresting to learn about religion, but i dont follow any one religion. so sit down order a copy of the gospel of the fsm, buy a book on buddhism and other religons, buy a bunch of books on phiosophy like nihilism, communism, and anarchism, sit down, read and let your mind wander, oh…and buy a shirt and support our cause!!! =]
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just a quick break, 20 minutes to happy hour, US East Coast time.
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Russia – good suggestions.
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For Christ’s – I mean Flying Spaghetti Monster’s sake!!!
Iron Bess – first off, it’s technically Queen of the Seamonkeys – last time I checked I have female parts (my husband will back me up on that). It makes me so sad that you couldn’t pick up on my obvious female-ness through the impersonal internet…read sarcasm in this…
Second, I don’t see why having faith is a burden. Your argument seems to be based on your dismissal of religion for yourself. If you don’t feel the need to include faith in a higher being (God, goddess, Captain Crunch, etc) in your life then fine for you. I am perfectly happy and I don’t feel burdened by my faith and my religion. I could see if we were talking about an extremist or cultish religion. Religious groups that constantly condemn you, telling you that you are going to hell, but ONLY they can save you could be considered a burden. However, by dismissing all religion and faiths you are putting your views on someone else. When I look at the Dali Lamma (don’t sue me if I spelled it wrong – I openly admit to being deficient in that skill area), he doesn’t seem burdened by his faith. I would say that he has been burdened by the illegal actions of China, but not by his personal views and faith. Tibetain monks that I had the privilage of meeting and having dinner with back in college a few years ago seemed to be the most free and open people I’ve ever met. Their burden was sadness knowing that they’ll probably never see their home land again in their lifetime, but it was not because they had faith.
Russia – only if you take everything in the bible literally. I’m Catholic and I don’t take everything in the bible literally – like I actually believe that there was one man named Adam and there was one woman named Eve in the beginning. Though again, if people want to believe in the bible, so be it. As long as you don’t end up sacrificing your son or having multiple wives, so what. The messages in the bible, from the stories, is what is important.
Did someone say happy hour??? RAmen to that!!!
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JesusH – that was plain disgusting…ewww!
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@ JesusH
Girls are not like Rum. They are not best at 14 years old and mixed up with coke.
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This is ridiculous. You guys are soooo wrong. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE IN GOD? How can you see a sunset and not see Jesus there through it? How can you hear about a person that is DEAD, reach the gates of heaven, and come back? And what about the man that went to hell? He did not believe in God, and I believe hated christians. Well, he went to hell, and God brought him back to life. So tell me, does this make sense? He hates christians, dies, then suddenly, has faith? And explain the proof behind the bible. The diaries found that prove the Bible to be true. How can you go through life worshiping PASTA?! That is the craziest and most ilogical thing I’ve ever in my entire life heard of. Pasta is a food that you eat. I can’t believe this. And for the man that was a christian, I still can’t believe it. God is true. Explain how hundreds of people heard God around the globe, had no connection to eachother, and never knew him before? Jesus died for us, because we sin and don’t measure up to the standards of perfection. Everyones lied, cheated, stolen, something. Well, the LORD loved us so much that he sent Jesus to die for us. His only son. And he proves it everyday. Every book except the Bible has been proven false, or needed a change here or there from new discoveries. Not the Bible. The Bible is the word of God, and I pray that he will show you that. Not some pasta that people eat. Call me what you wish, but you people need to hear the truth.
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the truth? you can’t handle the truth…
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@ ME
Where is this proof you speak of? What man that went to hell (prove he went to hell for a start). what diaries that prove the bible to be true? and anyway, it’s not just any pasa, it is the noodly creator of the universe, the almighty FSM. is it really that far of a stretch for a christian who believes that their God’s devine plan included his carpenter son being nailed to a piece of wood to believe in a flying spaghetti monster? when did hundreds of people hear god around the globe?
how does jesus and god show they love us everyday, with the death and destruction the only events considered newsworthy?
since when has the bible NOT been proven false. The only proven fact about it was that Jesus did exist, and where he went, and how he died. The rest of it is completely unsubstantiated.
Prove it.
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Lots of men have been to Hell…. It’s in Michigan.
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Few have gone back
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Oh, and Me…Friday is a high holy day for us, so please mellow and enjoy.
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RAmen
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Aren’t we supposed to be tolerant? Didn’t the FSM tell us that it’s okay if some people don’t want to believe in him? Just because someone else is misguided is no reason to make fun of them.
Besides, if they don’t convert, it means more beer and strippers for us.
P-)> (bearded one-eyed pirate smiley)
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Me,
I will try not to point out every flaw in your argument. I am just going to say a few things.
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First of all, how can you not believe in reincarnation when, under hypnosis people are able to remember the life before birth, in many cases speaking in languages that they didn’t know that they knew?
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Second of all, you say that people all over the world heard God. I don’t think that is true. People all over the world started many different religions. In fact, the vast majority of early religions were not Christianity.
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As for those people who died and saw heaven and hell, those could easily have been dreams. Dreams consist of thoughts processed right before sleep. If someone is afraid of death, he or she may very well invision his or her perception of death in a dream.
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I guess I should also point out that the Bible has numerous editations and has been proven false in many cases. It gives the backbone for many good morals though.
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Lastly, I am a bit disturbed by one of your comments. You said “Jesus died for us, because we sin and don’t measure up to the standards of perfection.” How incredibly selfish! Are you saying that you don’t have to try to be a good person because Jesus’ death makes up for it? Why don’t you just try to be perfect. You say that humans sin. Well, why succumb to such a low excuse? Why can’t we be perfect? We may as well try and stop wasting our time trying to tell other people what to believe.
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By the way, I may be wrong here, but wasn’t Jesus supposed to be the Christian God? If that’s the case, how is Jesus God’s son? Please explain. Religion fascinates me and would like to have my facts straight.
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@ SE
The trinity of the Church dictates that there are three distinct parts to god:
the father (God in heaven), the son (Jebus), and the holy spirit (i don’t know what this one is represented as). but although they are distinctly seperate, they are also claimed to be the same thing.
confused yet?
jesus is, according to christians, the earthly body of his own father.
or just some major inbreeding.
in any case, jesus isn’t generally regarded as christian god, just god’s son and their most important prophet.
meanwhile muslims believe mohammed is more important than jesus, and jews are still waiting for their messiah.
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I couldn’t agree less. We really shouldn’t propagate that old religious fantasy.
The moral guidance of the Bible is dreadful.
The old testament. We’re to begin?
The new testament is so badly written it is almost impossible to detect the tiny message of ‘lets forgive people’ which in itself is massively overplayed causing great suffering and guilt in people who can’t forgive terrible things that have happened to them.
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No one actually in need of moral guidance stands a chance from reading the Bible.
You might read the Bible and decide it supports whatever decision you were going to make anyway. It is VERY good (and popular) for that! Actually if you look around the world you will realise that is the single and only use of the Bible.
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But that sort of rationalisation is not guidance!
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It drives me mad when xians go on about how good the bible is.
It is a dreadful dreadful book that makes almost no sense what so ever.
People have spent centuries trying to work out what it is supposed to mean and get no closer.
Not because it is very deep but because it is just such junk.
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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is a better read and far superior moral guidance and fibre than the Bible.
I don’t even rate Rowling that much but the bible!? Give it a rest.
There is certainly drama in the bible but it is mostly 18 rated sex and violence.
I wouldn’t tell people to watch Reservoir Dogs for moral guidance which is about the level of the bible.
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strange, all my moral guidance used to come from reservoir dogs.
is that why no1 likes me??
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No. But it is the reason why all your friends are dead!
But on the plus side you have pretty sharp dress sense and taste in music.
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I don’t understand how the atheists let the xians get away with the moral guidance gobshite.
Many of the pastafarians on this site (Beth,Alchemist,Popoff,Nikkiee,DPG to name a few) all know from visiting xian sites like “In Pursuit of God” that xians who stick close to the bible are some of the nastiest people we’ve ever had the misfortune to meet.
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Don’t get me wrong I don’t think all xians are nasty. I know some very nice ones.
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But some of those hardcore/fundie xians are really nasty hateful pieces of work.
I don’t think the bible made them that way but they are living proof that it does not make you a good person.
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I think we all know that some of the hatemail sent in to CoFSM is a joke by some member of the church.
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But enough of it is from real supposed xians for it to be plain on this site alone that the bible does not help peoples moral development.
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I’m on the fence as to whether it is positively harmful. I think it is because it promotes hate and discrimination but it is absolutely not good.
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RAmen funky symbol dude Dan :) RAmen!
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@ ۞
woah, calm down.
for a start, aside from the chamber of secrets, the order of the phoenix is the worst of the series.
secondly, the hate mailers, especially these nasty ones you refer to are a minority of the christian church, most of them do get the ‘peace’ message it tries to portray.
the nasty ones are either just naturally aggressive, or they think they’re doing us a favour by scaring us into conversion, which they’re obviously failing at due to their natural ignorance and stupidity.
some atheists and pastafarians seem to forget that christians, who we think are moronic in the extreme, KNOW there is a god, just as much as we KNOW there isn’t one.
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I know those nasties are the minority.
I’m pointing out that the bible hasn’t done them any good.
It tends to contradict the claims for the enriching properties of religion.
The singular point is that the more people take the bible seriously the nastier they get.
It may be that the bible is corrupting influence. But as mentioned it isn’t good.
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agreed. it is a simple fact that the more you believe in something, the more you’ll fight to protect.
as the great pirate lord barbosa said “they’re not rules, really more like guidelines”.
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Arrrrr!
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My problem with religion is the hatred, bigotry, guilt and suffering it causes.
I don’t care if you believe the world was farted out the arse of a rat.
Religion poisons society and it is allowed to get away with this ‘morally enriching’ line.
Even some atheists think religion has helped society.
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Unfortunately we let them drag us in to their daft discussions about evolution and leave the real problems unchallenged.
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It’s the atheists fault for falling in to lame xian traps.
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Whaaa…?
I know there is a God! He has two meaty balls and lots of Noodly Appendages!!!
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I didn’t like any of the Potter books that much.
My point was the friendship, sacrifice, team work and determination to create justice in the Order of The Phoenix is far better moral guidance than the bible.
I wasn’t so much feting the literature.
The plot is stirring stuff and great reading for kids.
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Hi Nikkiee. We must stop meeting like this!! ;)
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have you ever read leviticus? it may not be as good as potter, but it’s pretty funny. without a doubt my number one weapon against xians everywhere.
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Levticus is an absolute hoot. Even most civilised xians dismiss it.
You will find some of them quoting the sections that proscribe homosexuality though.
They throw out the bigotry they don’t like and then keep the bigotry they do and then get all morally indignant about it.
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Really vile and two-faced.
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The bible is just great for justifying whatever crackpot ideas you’ve got.
Select the sections that are nearest to the thing you want to be true and intepret them to your purpose.
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There is so much precident for that, that it is actually seen as a legitimate stance!
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Incredible.
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I just found this:
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http://www.patcondell.net/In_summary__don_t_be_a.jpg
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Which as far as I’m concerned is the full worthwhile content of the bible.
Obviously you have to throw out a lot of crap but when you get down to. This is everything it says.
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Rowan Redbeard
Jul 27th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Aren’t we supposed to be tolerant? Didn’t the FSM tell us that it’s okay if some people don’t want to believe in him? Just because someone else is misguided is no reason to make fun of them.
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yeah well, He said something like that yes. But heck, it’s so much FUN teasing some of these fundies :))) I’m sure the FSM will forgive us :P
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@ ۞
The singular point is that the more people take the bible seriously the nastier they get.
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Hey ۞, any facts to justify that claim?
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Jack Van Impe takes the Bible so seriously, he embraces armageddon. Crazy bastard.
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krony,
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I was refering to personal experience on Christian websites and similar testimonials from other people on this site and other sites.
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The In Pursuit of God site is particularly nasty where the xian faithful engage in bullying and rudeness.
Really quite unpleasant people.
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I realise that many xians aren’t that nasty. But it betrays the lie that the bible somehow infuses people with goodness.
If you aren’t a good person at the start of reading the bible it won’t make you good by the end.
Partly because it contains so much nastiness that if you don’t already know what to ignore you might actually take it in.
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You must have seen all the really nasty ‘GOD HATES FAGS’ campaigners.
Those people take the bible literaly and then start persecuting people.
Very nasty indeed. All inspired by the bible – apparently!
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You might play the ‘they misunderstood it’ card, which is fine. My point is of course people misunderstand the bible it is so fucking dreadfully written.
Thats another reason it shouldn’t be used as moral guidance.
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@krony – well let’s look at all the bible maniacs who have screamed trash in our faces. 2nd. look at the pope. four years ago he yelled some trash about how certain books were seducing christian youths into damned athiests. one of those books was the harry potter series. crazy idiot.
3rd. look at the thousands who marched over to the middle east in the 13th century and started killing other people and dieing themselves, all just for the bible.
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. yeh. that evidence and facts for u. Owned.
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Good one Lord of the Pirate Fish.
I was going to mention the Catholics. They do some really nasty stuff.
Loads of people have stories of being bullied and humiliated in Catholic care homes.
Forget about sexual child abuse, the basic cruelty.
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Look at the nastiness they spread about condoms and AIDS and contraception in general.
They always claim it is justified by the bible.
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Good example BCA.
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Go here http://www.jvim.com/ then click Illustrations and then click Revelations illustrated.
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That is some serious mind warping by the bible.
It has not done the people who produced those pictures any good at all!
It is a serious head-fuck.
Remember these people believe in the literal truth of this craziness!
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thanks. also one more evedence. the roman people some time ago had a slave rebelion. they eventually got the slaves and killed evey single one by nailing them to wooden crosses and putting the crosses alongside the road. all done by christians who were cycopathes.
RAmen
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Does anyone else have some bible inspired xian nastiness for krony?
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uhhhhhhhhhhhh.. nope this pirates empty of other ideas. oh well.
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I wonder if they justify holding back science from the bible.
Just because it doesn’t mention stem cells, they can probably find something.
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knowing them they probably will find out how
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I just read anarticle about a Dutch Broadcasting company, very christian one. They took one of those magnificent series of David Attenborough and simply cut out all comments of evolution, earth being really old etc. They didn’t show the last episode dealing with the great apes and us, because quote :”it doesn’t fit with wat our core-audience believes”. Oh brother, I mean I new they were christian and all but never realised just how bad it was. Yes, let’s censure the lot and make sure people will never start asking awkward questions about creation and stuff like that
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY-ZrwFwLQg
this video should be brodcasted to every relgeous website in the www. trust me it’s a laugh fest to all athiests and Pastafarians
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@ ۞
You must have seen all the really nasty ‘GOD HATES FAGS’ campaigners. Those people take the bible literally and then start persecuting people. Very nasty indeed. All inspired by the bible – apparently!
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I made some earlier comments on a different string about that. I think those folks need to read more of the Bible, specifically the story of the adulterous woman (see John 8:1-12 if you’d like). The teaching of Jesus is clear that his followers are to hate the sin but love the sinner. No doubt some , like th Westboro folks, get that wrong by picking verses to inspire hate. Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus condone hate. I can speak for myself to say I have less hate the more time I spend in the Bible.
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@ LOPF – Thanks for the link! Good stuff!
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Hi BCA!!!!!
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@ everyone – you have been busy today! Looks like a good discussion but I’ve got things going… :(((
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@ ۞: “If you aren’t a good person at the start of reading the bible it won’t make you good by the end.” RAmen to that! We were having a conversation with my very Catholic mother-in-law a while back about learning about other religions. She said she’s spent her whole life learning how to be a good Catholic and didn’t have time to learn about anything else. Later, I said that it’s sad that she’s not spent her life learning how to be a good human.
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angryyoungatheist, but don’t many Christains get insulted when people say “Jesus!” as an exclaimation, saying, “Don’t say the lord’s name in vain”? Also, don’t people say stuff like “worship Jesus Christ, our God” etc.?
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LOL. Listen to that radio show! Marcus Brigstoke says the same thing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/nowshow.shtml?focuswin
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im not sure i think bobby had a vision, which is why pastafarianism isnt made up.
BUT if i was inspired to make up a religon and the back it up with “evidence”, id probably take a look at history texts books about the dark ages (i think it was like 400-1000 AD but im not sure). where some crazy guys wanted power and convieniently wrote a book based on the principle, cant seam to rember what the book was called. It had this main character that was sorto a hippy and didnt belive in violence, most people didnt belive the guy apart from a few loyal followers tho
as for making up proofs there was this guy called tom who lived a little after, he was a real cool dude he came up with seven ways to prove he was right.
shame i cant rember the name of the book, its a really interesting read some of the stuff in it is unbelivably cool, the main character could walk on water (i know not quite as cool as neo who can fly, or that native american that turns into a hawk, but still cool), locust swarms and blood rivers, man that stuff was better than hollywood!!!
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