Years ago, I took this photo on my seattle vacation.
I had no idea I would capture more than just a part of the skyline, and I couldn’t even figure out WHAT EXACTLY I photographed.
You’ve opened my eyes - Thank you so much!
-Markus
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
The point I got from the discussion was just how much of an effect emissions can really have. I’m more Molec bio/Botany so as i said not really my area. I know the fundies always go on about “scam” though. Like JW will get their religion taught as science and they’ll support him that global warming isn’t a problem. Least that’s what I’ve garnered from the pseudo science discussions I’ve witnessed. Head in sand Ostrich theory!
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“Another useless method of which I have always been fond is removing the entire Ozone layer, because Ozone is actually a heat trapping gas.”
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Hmmm…. sounds like a big job :p)
RAmen
Hey I just came from a religious chat room…it was fun…it was like poking a stick in a hornets nest. I was blocked after a half hour though. Shows that they don’t like people to ask questions about their contradictions in the bible. I was amazing to see adults trying to impress with vague and strange answers to direct questions.
I asked a question about two uncles. One story goes, an uncle will get a lot of money if his nephew dies. He goes over to the house finds the nephew alone in the tub. Holds the kids head under water until he dies.
The second story goes, the other uncle goes over to his nephew’s house and sees the boy slip and fall, hitting his head and falling into the water. He pauses…then lets the boy die.
Who is the worst of the two?
Uncle one is a willful murderer. Uncle two stands by and does nothing, but doesn’t actually cause the death, he just doesn’t do anything about it.
They did not get the point.
Then I asked, what is the difference between uncle two and god? God stands around doing his nails while all kinds of murder, rape and torture goes on and does nothing.
Someone said I was evil. Oh but it does my black heathen heart good.
Yes you all are.
Sorry Environmental guy I shouldn’t have brought it up…I know how the zealots are about these issues but there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming surface layers of the earth’s oceans expel more CO2 as a result.
There is probably no issue as misunderstood as Global Warming in the world. It is common these days to paint CO2 as a pollutant and all kinds of classes teach this these days. Much to my shame, I too taught it in some of my classes. CO2 is a naturally occuring gas in the air.
The media jumps on the story and runs with it, predicting catastrophe and scaring the bejesus out of everyone. It sure wouldn’t be much fun to tell everyone it’s gonna get a little warmer for awhile. You are also painted with the heresy brush if you dare to question the norm. That by the way goes against all of the ethics that us scientists work under. You have a theory…throw it to the wolves, if it comes back all chewed up and covered in spit, well maybe you should work harder on it. So when did it become okay to dis the non believer…especially when the non believer is basing their new theories on new (which by the way is old information) that calls bull to the Global Warming Scandal. Many scientists who actually participated and are quoted by the IPCC are flocking away in droves as they see that the theories are economic and politically motivated. Those people who dare to speak out against it are tarred and feathered.
By the way the anthropogenic emissions are only about 3% of the natural carbon cycle and less than 1% of the atmospheric reservoir of CO2 of 750 GT. The natural fluxtuations are so great that it is extremely difficult, even for the experts, to follow and predict that at this time it impossible to quantify the effects of man made CO2 released into the atmosphere. But there are a great many out there who doubt that it is even a factor.
So…just about done here…spend your time, money and efforts where they will really help. Recycle, reuse and reduce. That will help the planet so much more than chasing a comet…there ends my speech.
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Thats you with more important words. What a repeating moron you are
How Fucking Lame Jun 28th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
“Yes you all are.”
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What’s the matter dear? Having a bad day? Run out of medication? Never mind have a big bowl of Pasta and some beer and you’ll feel all better again :)
RAmen
Black Stash
Was that last post a cut & paste? Sure I’ve read an almost identical piece (i.e. same except for some of intro) somewhere else just recently!
“Sure I’ve read an almost identical piece (i.e. same except for some of intro) somewhere else just recently!”
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At IPoG maybe?
@Black Stash
Interesting post just there. I don’t know too much about the machanisms of how CO2 is supposed to cause global warming. But I did spot a couple of serious errors in your post there.
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“As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming.”
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The first bit is definately not what happened the last few hundred years. Gas bubbles from ice cores show that the CO2 level have been between 180-360 ppm for almost an eternity. Then they started rising from the beginning of the 19th century, with the onset of the industrial revolution. The rising global temperature didn’t start before that, but only in the 20th century. So the rise in temperature came after the rise in CO2 levels.
Maybe your statement is true for natural fluctuations in the CO2 level in the past, I don’t know about that well enough. But currently the CO2 level is racing toward 500 ppm, almost one and a half time more than it has been during any natural fluctuation in the past. And the order of events (warming coming after CO2 rise during the last two centuries) very much contradicts what you say.
“Many scientists who actually participated and are quoted by the IPCC are flocking away in droves as they see that the theories are economic and politically motivated.”
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Now this is where your post really loses credibilty. The economic motives for not wanting to hear about global warming are clear. Just check out the website of the Competitive Entreprise Institute for instance, a ‘pro-CO2 emission’ thinktank that runs tv adds with phrases like “CO2 is the source of life on our planet. It helps plants grow.” Their website is at
http://www.cei.org/
Their home page features such catchy phrases as “Advancing liberty - from the economy of ecology”
Are those sounding the alarm on global warming or the media overhyping it? If they are then they’re certainly not as guilty of making propaganda as those who say all is fine. And holding up those few scientists who dissent does sound all too familiar to Answers in Genesis holding up their 186 dentists etc. in support of their story. Sure, you’ll always find some people with PhDs to sign up to something. That doesn’t prove much.
“By the way the anthropogenic emissions are only about 3% of the natural carbon cycle and less than 1% of the atmospheric reservoir of CO2 of 750 GT. The natural fluxtuations are so great that it is extremely difficult, even for the experts, to follow and predict that at this time it impossible to quantify the effects of man made CO2 released into the atmosphere. But there are a great many out there who doubt that it is even a factor.”
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Absolute utter bull crap. CO2 levels throughout previous ages are well know as they easy to obtain from gas bubbles trapped in ice cores. Saying that we don’t know how strong our own influnce is is BS. We’ve increased CO2 levels to almost double what it was on average up to just a few centuries ago.
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“So…just about done here…spend your time, money and efforts where they will really help. Recycle, reuse and reduce. ”
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Well I’ll agree to that! Apart from the rising CO2 levels, oil and other resources are not infinite. So even it you don’t think CO2 is causing trouble it’s still a good thing to be economical with resources. No complaints there.
Btw, I’ll repeat that I know little about the science of how CO2 causes global warming (I do know the wide consensus of the scintific community on it). But that’s not the reason for rejecting most of your post. Just from what I do know about CO2 levels in the past I can see most of what you posted is BS. That does lend credibility to Wench Nikkiees suspicion that it’s a copy-paste from some group like CEI.
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And last practicality: when I copied your post I saw it had blank lines in them. That does help to make it more readable. Unfortunately the server cuts them out. Use a period instead to create a near-blank line.
Now, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is obviously not particualarly worried about global warming, or he would prevent it! And if you want to reduce global warming, you must become a fully fledged pirate! It is the only way forward.
“The natural fluxtuations are so great”
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I think you meant fluctuations there, sonny jim.
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“Much to my shame, I too taught it in some of my classes.”
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If your a teacher and you are rabbiting this stuff, I am honestly worried for the welfare of you’re students.
@Jingles
I had not paid too much attention to that. But now that you mention it: YES! The idea of someone like Black Stash teaching about global warming is about as dreadful as Behe lecturing on evolution. FSM help us please!
Hi Jungles DPG
Was the teaching comment that set off a memory of reading the same words somewhere else just recently. Also anyone who uses a vague (no references or stats) argument from popularity loses credibility to me.
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I agree with you DPG
“Many scientists who actually participated and are quoted by the IPCC are flocking away in droves as they see that the theories are economic and politically motivated. Those people who dare to speak out against it are tarred and feathered.”
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Very much the YECky rhetorical style!
@Nikkiee
“Very much the YECky rhetorical style!”
If Black Stash ever loses his teaching job then he doesn’t have to worry about going hungry, Ken Ham will have a job for him at AiG.
Jungles?
Sorry bout that Jungles, been talking quite a bit to a Kiwi lately :p)
♪♫ Jungle Blls ♫ Jungle Blls ♪♫
DPG
Yep! Sad but true :(
Jungle Balls? Isn’t that a fungal infection? 0_o
I just realised, in the above post, I corrected BS’s spelling, and promptly said your instead of you’re. My bad.
See what I mean? Soon as a person makes a few comments about the acceptable hyp and point out some flawed logic, the teeth come out. That is not science…it is the witch trials.
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“How do you know she’s a witch?”
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“She has a pointy hat and a wart.”
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PS Thanks for the period tip…I did not know.
FYI not only are some scientist leaving the IPCC, they have been suing them for continuing to use their names to prove it. .
But you know what, I don’t want to discuss this here, I do it all day long. Here is about being a Pirate and enjoying the wenches and the beer. Making crude remarks and going Arrrrrrrr, every once in awhile. .
So kiddies believe what you want, then come see me in 50 years and tell me what you have done for your part in trying to save the planet. Did I mention that my wife is an engineer and we run almost 80 - 85% off the grid on solar and wind power? That my daughter is a biologist and has an enormous garden out back which we use for the majority of our food. That I began and have maintained the biggest recycle program our town has ever seen. What have you done?