I heard some ID believer say that “the probability that humans have emerged from natural selection is the same as the probability that a monkey composes ‘Hamlet’ by randomly typing on a keyboard”.
Well, I happen to have a monkey (Sheila) that likes to type at random on a keyboard. And today she typed this (see the attached picture).
Evidence!
Giovanni
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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Umm where are all the initial post claimers?
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Excellent Giovani. Give Sheila a big banana :))
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@ WN – I guess you are it for today! Woo hoo! BTW – I passed along your message to Wench Sara and she smiled from ear to ear and said “Tell her I said that’s awesome!” Thanks for brightening the life of a teenager! She needed it this week too.
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Hah!
Isn’t the ID theory the most random ideas of all? Its not that they only refuse to accept evolution, but they refuse to understand it!
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Can’t post here…testing….testing…
@Rowdiest Wench
“WN – I guess you are it for today!”
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Hahaha
I’ve mostly (mostly!) in the past avoided “those” posts unless it’s been something I could get my teeth into (so to speak). Liked to wait for someone else to get the thread running. Still I’ve always done my duty if it stayed bare for more than a few hours. (that doesn’t happen these days :))
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Glad the name gave Sarah a boost. :)
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Just in and out and the moment….doing some legwork around the net :))
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Hmm…. didn’t even use the wrong words in the first few tries…oh well :))
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@ WN – Yeah, I’m in and out too – trying to get stuff done around the house. It rained *again* today so no trips to the barn. :(
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Rain has cleared here now and there’s a bloody big bright hot (well warm anyway) thing in the sky (haven’t seen anything like that for weeks) so back into some outdoor work shortly (:) for me as well.
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@Wench Nikkiee Jun 27th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
“didn’t even use the wrong words in the first few tries…oh well :))”
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Was referring to a few responses that didn’t go :)
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Monkeys are Hawt!
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Hello Rowdiest Wench, hello Wench Nikkiee, and good lord, that is one really smart monkey. (how long did that take?)
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Congratulations, Wench Nikkiee, on acquiring the initial response on this thread, which awards you the gold medal for Australia!
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Hi, Dread Wench L’TUAE! Nice to see you again!
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That typed “random” picture of the FSM looks exactly like the one my kitty typed just last week! Coincidence? Or evolution sped up times 100,000?!
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kitty to monkey in one week? IDK, that stretches it a little- you think it’d stop at racoon along the way….
hello to you too! Most glad to be back!
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Doing a glance over recent posts, it seems you have picked up new frying pan skillz?
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Oh, yes, L’TUAE, no one gets past ME any more! Frying pans at the ready!
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Fry pans, Are Hawt!
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I was not aware anyone got past you in the beggining. People TRIED, I’m sure.
on a fun note, guess where I was for the past week?
well, in order not to waste posts, I’ll just say: EXPLOSIVES CAMP!
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damn. more writing tomorrow. Justice League is on!!!!^_^
heh. I am such a geek.
and before Paris gets to it- geeks ARE Hawt!
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@ Dread Wench – said “hi” on the other active thread but “hi” here too! Explosives camp! Wee hee! Knew that was happening for you…hope it was fun!!!
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Geeks are hawt! They rule the world!
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I’m taking my brown belt karate test next Tuesday – I’ll be a smokin’ hot pirate wench then! :))) Hehehehehe
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I agree, geeks are HAWT!!!
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EXPLOSIVES CAMP?!?!?! I want to hear all about that, L’TUAE! It sounds excellent! Please tell more!
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Rowdiest is already a smokin’ hot pirate wench! She’s going to be a super smokin’ HAWT pirate wench after Tuesday!
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@ WB – You are *trying* to get me to blush! But it won’t work! Ahahahahaha! Seriously, thanks! Let’s wait till the bruises go away before we make any judgement calls! Hehehehe
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Good work with the ASCII art Sheila the monkey!
Good work giving a monkey a typewriter Giovanni!
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Arr, don’t blame me when ye all get monkey flu from letting monkeys near yer keyboards. Nearly as bad as scurvy.
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I’m feeling decidedly green. Probably too much rum (was that rum?) and too many chocolate binges. Lady captains such as myself should be kept away from chocolate fro their own safety…
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And can anyone really listen to someone who actually sits around all day with nothing better to do than work out the probability of natural selection?
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@Cap’n Caroline the Two-Legged
“And can anyone really listen to someone who actually sits around all day with nothing better to do than work out the probability of natural selection?”
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If they did a real job I think the numbers would be very interesting actually.
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“The probability that humans have emerged from natural selection is the same as the probability that a monkey composes ‘Hamlet’ by randomly typing on a keyboard”
This takes place as the second most illogical argument I have ever heard about anything.
Firstly, I had a 1 in 10 chance of picking these socks this morning. The fact that it is unlikely that I am wearing these particular socks in no way proves that I am not wearing the socks nor does it prove that I will never wear those socks. It’s called the real world. Welcome. We have T-Shirts.
Second, sample space. The universe is infinite, as long as we are counting it in terms of time as well as space. In an infinite sample space no matter how improbable something is it is absolutely guaranteed to exist somewhere. “But then why here, on this planet?” the smug little ID guy says. Why not? Where else? It had to be somewhere, and this is as good a place as any, and no matter what planet human life evolved on there would still be some guy who says, “The odds of it happening here are astronomical!” So just shut up and go away.
Third, the odds of human life evolving exactly as it has, right here on this planet are far greater than this person realizes, it is more on the order of every monkey on the planet being sat at a type writer and typing out Hamlet, Macbeth and Othello at the same time. But as I have hopefully made clear in previous points, the chances of intelligent life not evolving anywhere are Infinity to one, so it seems we are on the good side of the odds, doesn’t it?
Oh, and for anybody who’s interested in this sort of thing, who can guess the probability that of a random group of twenty-four people, two or more will have the same birthday? This answer is really weird.
Toodles,
The Triangle
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Kewl. Please post the original text file!!
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Hi…every post i have put on in the last couple of days have disaapeared, i will give it one more try.
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mabe the FSM is trying to speak to us through the monkey called shelia. we must listen.
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@Hondo – Christians do not think at all. I say that with confidence as I am a recovering roman catholic. Although I have relatives who believe that you have to be born twice to be a “true” believer. What a dog pyramid.
I much rather prefer the pasta pyramid.
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RAmen hondo. the funny part is that then they come here and swear at us and say that our idea is stupid and no evidence when ther’s is the same. stupid christians.
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I am particularly interested in the whole concept of ‘turning the other cheek’. When these, ‘True Chrisitians’ come onto the site and spew out their hatred and obvious xeno/homo phobic views, doesn’t it just reinforce the fact that under that very, very thin layer of civilization, lies the same mentality that caused the inquisition, crusades, Roman circuses etc? God, they say, is all about the love and peace and goodwill to all mankind…unless, of course, you don’t happen to believe in their god or diety. In which case, they will be having a fun bonfire in the middle of the town square, with you as the main attraction.
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@Iron Bess – I am truly conflicted now! The pirate in me really enjoys a good bonfire.
It is good that you are interested in the ‘turning the other cheek’ because christians, especially born agains, are not.
Is it me, or does “born again” really make me think about zombies? The soul eating kind.
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same here. they ones that suck out all hope and choice out of your lifes. then they force you to join the religion at gunpoint. not me. i’d pull out my cutlass and go down fighting. and if i died. i know that i would enjoy the beer and stippers in heaven.
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“Gaara the Pirate Jun 28th, 2007 at 7:51 am
same here. they ones that suck out all hope and choice out of your lifes. then they force you to join the religion at gunpoint. ”
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Wow no kidding? At gunpoint?
Which ones do that? That’s Hawt!
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And now I have finally seen the light of His Noodlyness, the damn Christians have come out wth their best trick of all: The Guilt Trip. Their favourite phrase at the moment involves the words: “You’ll come back to God. They always come back.” As One-eyed Wonderkin mentioned dogs, I am tempted to say that the above statement reminds me of a when a dog comes back to its own vomit.
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And, just out of interest, where did our blue name links go? I haven’t had my soul stolen yet…It’s lonely!
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@DutchPastaGuy: They would be, but I don’t know how anyone can love numbers that much when there’s pillaging to be done. Or maybe they jsut took a long, long, long, long time working out the numbers. Taking a few hours a day or something. Aye, that would ruin a marriage.
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The Christians don’t bother me in the least.
As I tend to think for myself. Hard to guilt me into anything, unless
I get a DUI or something. i.e. Unless I fuck up!
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Too many people here seem to blame the Christians
for all the wrongs in their lives. Ain’t their fault!
It’s said persons fault for blaming anybody but themselves!
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It’s the Fundies that push their beliefs on others.
I’ve seen just as many FSM Fundies as Christian fundies.
Live and let live! That’s what I say!
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Paris, you’ve just crossed the line. FSM fundies are NOT like Christian fundies. Either you retract that statement or go back to jail. No passing “Go”, no collecting $200.
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To thetriangle… I read when I was little that, in a room of 30 random people, the probability is 100% that two of them will have the same birthday. Is that correct?
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Hey christians are not the problem…all religions are the problem. Look at the shit religion is causing in the world even today. Bombings, jihads, holy wars, televangelists (oh the horror), door to door salesmen trying to pitch their particular form of fairy tale. Fundemental or not, beneath the veneer of religiousity lies a pus filled, hate filled, fear filled heart, waiting to burst out of the chest cavity, spit acid at you and eat you…wait a minute. Nope I’m wrong, that’s Alien! Okay, below that veneer of ‘Love Me, Love My God’ lies a dangerous soul wanting to convert you to their own form of insanity. Thank the FSM for beer and my trusty cutlass. “Back away you monsterous Landlubbers, or else I will smite you but good!” R’Amen.
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“Wench Beth Jun 28th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Paris, you’ve just crossed the line. FSM fundies are NOT like Christian fundies. Either you retract that statement or go back to jail. No passing “Go”, no collecting $200.”
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Sorry Beth, I don’t see a difference in any Fundie, just trying to make someone else believe in their ideas. One is no better then the other.
What if I want eternal life, singing to a God?
What if I don’t want beer and strippers?
Works the same way.
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Live and let live! Else I’ll get Hawt!
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I agree, Iron Bess. Religion is one of mankind’s major problems. *cough* ‘The End of Faith’ *cough* Sam Harris *cough* Brilliant.
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Really must get rid of that cough…
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@Paris Hilton: What’s so threatening about you getting ‘Hawt’?
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