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I heard some ID believer say that “the probability that humans have emerged from natural selection is the same as the probability that a monkey composes ‘Hamlet’ by randomly typing on a keyboard”.
Well, I happen to have a monkey (Sheila) that likes to type at random on a keyboard. And today she typed this (see the attached picture).
Evidence!
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“You are obviousally a dullard and should be escorted to the door
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…..and given a good spanking for being a rude little boy. You shouldn’t use words that you don’t understand what…the….heck (imaginative name BTW).
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I don’t think for one second that you understand the word revolve!
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iu don’t think he knows what pirates,pasta, or beliefs. the only word he probably knows is bullshit.
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Yes, it IS amazing how emcompassing our beliefs are. And yet they all manage to blend into something that is totally awesome. Personally, i hold out hope for a diet coke volcanoe in our heaven.
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Virgin Bloody Maries are great!
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I don’t think it’s quite fair to call our afterlife “our heaven”. “Heaven” is a Christian term which has become too widely used. Saying that is kind of like saying “Jews pray at a Jewish verion of a Church”. We should really call “our heaven” “the afterlife”.
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Thanks for the nice thing you said, RDPW :))) You’re Hawt, too!!!
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To Dread Wench L’TUAE… alongside the Diet Coke volcano I hope there will be a pink grapefruit juice volcano, too! I could drink that stuff until I burst! Also a milk volcano… I know that’s the ultimate in boring but I couldn’t live without milk! :)
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To Stereotypical Environmentalist… you are right about the “heaven” thing. We could just say that the FSM is going to take us to the Beer Volcano and the Stripper Factory in the next life!
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llamazoo, I’m sorry, but could you explain how there are multiple universes. I believe that that the root word, “uni” means “one”. Also, though many people will argue with me on this, I don’t think it is any more fair to call “ID” believers “crackpots any of the other things that “we” call them than it is for them to call us “crackpots”. It lowers us to their level – at least the level of the ones who insult us. We need to be careful to not be hypocrytical.
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@ SE and LLamazoo – “multiverse” is a better term for that. Thanks Heinlein…
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@ SE – We’ve had a couple of people come here and blast the Xtians with foul language and nasty things – it doesn’t take long for one of the others to squash them when they do that! I agree – we should not lower ourselves to their level.
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Stereotypical Environmentalist… Jul 2nd, 2007 at 4:33 pm
“I don’t think it is any more fair to call “ID” believers “crackpots any of the other things that “we” call them than it is for them to call us “crackpots”.”
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Intelligent Design is not a crackpot “theory”???
Of course OUR graphically supported theories could never be considered crackpot!!!
Blaspheme!!!
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Wench Nikkiee – as a consultant, I can tell you that you can make statistics tell you what ever you want to hear. It does not make the statistics wrong, just incorrectly applied.
If statistics applied to ID, we would be in trouble. Thankfully, statistics applied to FSMism, so the ID supports must tremble under the mighty graph.
Plus – pirates total kick ass.
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And then there’s the loose morals too One-eyed Wonderkin :p))
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“It does not make the statistics wrong, just incorrectly applied.”
Not ours…never! ;)
RAmen
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You are a saucy one, Wench Nikkiee. :)
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Thanks One-eyed Wonderkin :)
Well lunch break over here.
Have re-apply the anti-melt and get back outside to some work. :(
Catch you later
Oh and lest I forget…..
RAmen
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I miss the blue name links. I haven’t gotten any new souls in weeks :(
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Wench Nikkiee, oh of course I think that ID is bogus, but I’m not one to get angry at someone for believing in it. It’s rude and pointless.
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“but I’m not one to get angry at someone for believing in it.”
Me neither :) My anger lies towards those attempting to perpetuate a huge social and political control grab. Those who are conned into it have my sympathy.
The rest is satire :))
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After spending months getting involved in pseudo science discussions and spending a fair bit of time reading the propaganda at the Discovery Institute as well as Aig, I also have my suspicions as to how many of those selling ID propaganda really believe it themselves.
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Oh and those who think nothing of pulling every deceitful trick they can think of to sell it to a largely scientifically ignorant public (read pb those who have witnessed his tactics…..they are not uncommon) earn my disgust!
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Wench Nikkiee Jul 3rd, 2007 at 12:41 am
“The rest is satire :))”
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Or at the very least, parody :)
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@llamazoo Jul 3rd, 2007 at 3:32 am
“a person who writes or speaks in an authoritative fashion about a particular subject, often in science, but is alleged to have false or even ludicrous beliefs.”
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If I may add to that :)
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On Intelligent Design from Talk Reason website (an excellent site dealing with Evolution vs. Creationism )
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talkreason.org/articles/SI_Resp.cfm
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“Symptoms of crankhood
Bogus science takes many forms. The aspiring diagnostician has a choice of sources, ancient and modern, for help in recognizing it. Thus the student of science-obfuscation may distinguish among the works of (sincere) “crackpots,” persistent “cranks,” science-illiterates, honest but grossly incompetent practitioners with a fixed idea, and qualified but sham practitioners of science, in it for money or sectarian glory. Recent symptom-lists for these pathologies come from two accomplished physicists.”
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As a convenience for serious investigators, mathematical physicist John Baez has fashioned a Crackpot Index. A high score on this Index identifies infallibly a scientific claim that isn’t — one that can be ignored by the working and presumably busy scientist (math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). The Index is computed on 35 indicators, each with a point value. Those range from 1 to 50. The last six, with the biggest point values, are:
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“31. 40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts” [or the equivalent on the Stalinist-Maoist left -- PRG].
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“32. 40 points for claiming that the ’scientific establishment’ is engaged in a ‘conspiracy’ to prevent your work from getting its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.”
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“33. 40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo…”
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“34. 40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is…”
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“35. 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.”
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Must say I haven’t come across Galileo yet…not that I can recall anyway :)
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They don’t really mention him, they just like to say they are being wrongly prosecuted for their (correct) ideas and that one day they will be proven correct (like Gallileo). There just never seems to be much time to prove anything after complaing of prosecution so much, strange hm?
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Yo ho yo ho a Pastafarian life for me! **Pastafarian chruch hyme.**
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Hi everyone, I’m going to a huge 4th of July party tomorrow, lot of people going to be there. I wish I had $50.. or so dollars, to print up FSM fliers. But I just don’t.:( Stupid paper and ink cost money. Could anybody send me a few bucks? Any money you give me, will go towards paper and ink, for fliers. Thank you. My addy is cpthook5833[at]hotmail[dot]com. Thanks.
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Red DutchPasta Wench Jul 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 am
“They don’t really mention him, they just like to say they are being wrongly prosecuted for their (correct) ideas and that one day they will be proven correct (like Gallileo).”
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Oh yeah….that’s all of them too then. That is the first thing they’re are taught by their masters!
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Move over Mona Lisa; this is great.
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We here in the northern climes, need the Pirates to start kicking in, gone are the wet, cold and overcast days, here comes the sun. No easing into this, put on the jolly roger tankinis and start guzzling the beer. Ramen
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“the probability that humans have emerged from natural selection is the same as the probability that a monkey composes ‘Hamlet’ by randomly typing on a keyboard”.
clearly quite likely then ?
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Acutally that is an excellent point. Given infinite time a Monkey poking at a keyboard WILL produce Hamlet, in fact all of Shakespear, and every last shred of human knowledge and literature, and knowledge we’ve not yet acquired. That the probability of it happening in finite time is slim proves nothing. That the probability exists at all is much more compelling.
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@A Catholic who abhores ID and Ceationism
Welcome to the Church of the FSM. Some here are not so fond of Catholicism, but hang around anyway. If you have a sense of humour and are not dogmatic this is a nice cyberspot to hang out. Believer or non-believer.
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After looking at the ASCII characters that made up that picture, I decided that your claim that is was typed randomly by a monkey is completely false.
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@ DutchPastorGuy
You are a blasphemous infadel this site is no chill out spot it is a site for devout followers of the great Flying Spaghetti Monster and for this I judge you are not worthy to follow this esteemed religious order now for your punishment I will track you down and I will kill torture mutilated and rape you and your family in whatever order pleases me in the name of the flying spaghetti monster you will die you should pray for it to be swift though I guaranty it wont be you will suffer for your blasphemous acts and in death you will meet final judgement from the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May this be a warning to you all!
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Hail the Flying Spaghetti monster,
let his vengeance be swift
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i am another of the devout followers of the flying spaghetti monster and i am angry no furious at the dutch pastor for his infadel commens and i believe that u should die (pastor). i also believe that there should be more punishment towards your blasmphemous comments so i am the second judge and the punishment i give you is eternal suffering of taking repeated blows to the balls via an anchor chain delivered by me or one of my minions
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Wow you guys sure are getting worked up. Might I suggest you relax? Otherwise you might blow a vein when the strippers go by.
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In other words, sit down, shut up, drink the grog, eat the spaghetti and, for the love of pasta, lay off the eternal damnation schtick. We aren’t Westborough Baptists here!
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Indeed, in the Gospel of the FSM He clearly and unequivically says that it’s ok for people not to believe in Him, as He, in His great mercy, is not vain. The FSM is not a jealous, vindictive deity like the christian god.
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Yeah – chill! Anyway, it’s Friday!
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I had just changed my monkey’s diaper when he typed:
to pee or not to pee,
that is the question.
And I know this isn’t the full text of Hamlet, but like a little piece of genetic code, it’s a clue to something.
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IRREFUTABLE PROOF OF HIS NOODLENESS!
RAmen. Consider me a convert.
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Welcome aboard HBL! Enjoy the pasta, grog and strippers (all of em come in all flavours ;P )
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