Small win for Science in the UK

Clearly a result of the London Pirate Demonstration - A recent statement by the UK prime minister includes the following:

The Government is clear that creationism and intelligent design are not part of the science National Curriculum programmes of study and should not be taught as science.

The full statement can be found here

76 Responses to “Small win for Science in the UK”


  1. 1 farfalla Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    Opposable thumbs up for the UK

  2. 2 Wench Beth Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:27 pm

    Gold medal for Beth.

  3. 3 Wench Beth Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    Whoa, not! I got beat out by Farfalla! Congratulations on getting first post! Well, I got silver — not bad.

  4. 4 Wench Beth Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    Pirates can do anything if they set their minds to it! Arrrrrrr!

  5. 5 farfalla Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pm

    Pure luck, just came off the discussion forum, but thanks.

  6. 6 Her Most Serene Highness Lady Octarine1 the Undulant of Hopton Goosnargh Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    yes! arr! also, @wb did you see my offer on the pirate demonstration page re my soul bank?
    it may help with your souls
    RAmen

  7. 7 Wench Nikkiee Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    Excellent news :)))
    Another push bites the dust!
    RAmen

  8. 8 Wench Beth Jun 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 pm

    To Her Most Serene Highness Lady Octarine1 the Undulant of Hopton Goosnargh… yes, m’lady, I did see your post and I responded right away.

  9. 9 Wench Beth Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    Hope we get our blue name links back soon….

  10. 10 Wench Nikkiee Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 pm

    Hi Wench Beth :)
    Happy to go without mine if I can keep seeing news like this :))))))
    RAmen

  11. 11 Wench Nikkiee Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Happy day :)))

  12. 12 Her Most Serene Highness Lady Octarine1 the Undulant of Hopton Goosnargh Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    oh well. my company, soulland inc.™ also have a wide range of useful tools for dealing with fundies, including the fundiebuster3000, the only argument negator that comes with a faith vacuum, power steering and profanity detector, perfect to deal with fundies who just get too annoying to deal with personally.

    anyone know any pastafarians in adelaide, australia? also, where is thumper™ the rabbit? he hasnt posted in a while.

    ramen

  13. 13 Wench Nikkiee Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    Hi Lady Octarine :)
    “oh well. my company, soulland inc.™ also have a wide range of useful tools for dealing with fundies”
    .
    Excellent! Will keep that in mind. :)

    Not in Adelaide, but in Nth QLD.
    Thumper was around a day or say ago. I’m sure he’ll turn up sooner or later :))))
    .
    Her Exalted Highness Duchess Nikki the Mystical of Giggleswick under Table
    RAmen

  14. 14 Wench Nikkiee Jun 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    Ooooh…what I really meant to say was: Based in QLD, the home of the Mighty Maroons :))
    RAmen

  15. 15 Wench Nikkiee Jun 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    Hmmm….being as you are from Adelaide, perhaps I should have said “Home of the Brisbane Bears” :))
    I’m out of here again I’m afraid. May be around a little later this evening. (OZ time :))
    RAmen

  16. 16 Prof. B♥♥ty Jun 23rd, 2007 at 1:08 am

    Morning Nikkiee, if you are still here.
    Hi Lady Octarine, do we know you?
    By the way, we were all shortening our names down again in celebration of RECENT COMMENTS being back! (Although it is of course very lovely!)

  17. 17 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:20 am

    Short name restored!

  18. 18 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 am

    I bet some of you Americans are regretting that whole independence thing as being a bit rash now!

  19. 19 Avatar of Reason Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 am

    It would be nice if we, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, made a similar decision.
    .
    @۞: But the United States Constitution is so wonderfully quotable, as evidenced only a few lines up!
    -Avatar of Reason

  20. 20 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 am

    Avatar,
    .
    The declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights are fine documents.
    You need to lose the bearing arms thing or at least re-interpret it in a way more appropriate for the modern world, but other than than that they are a brilliant attempt to establish a society based on freedom and equality including religious freedom and equality.
    .
    You really don’t spend enough time with your fore-fathers!

  21. 21 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 am

    ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 am
    “I bet some of you Americans are regretting that whole independence thing as being a bit rash now!”
    .
    Hahahahahahaha…could have only come from an Englisman :)

  22. 22 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 am

    Yeah, well you ozzies are a different story.
    .
    You lot are obviously just Englishmen a long way from home and run your country accordingly. However the Yanks have gone off on a couple of very bad ideas here and there!

  23. 23 Wench Beth Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 am

    Bad Yanks, we are… bad Yanks :(

  24. 24 thesorgo Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:28 am

    C’mon, Cut us some slack
    we are pretty new to the whole country business. England has had like a thousand year headstart.
    .
    And…
    I was reading the wiki page on England to see exactly when england was started (accuracy is my is my third middle name to the left, right after jephsiutaphem)
    and I guess who I found were bed-mates.
    England and god.
    that’s right

    England
    .
    .
    .
    Motto
    Dieu et mon droit (French)
    “God and my right”

  25. 25 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:35 am

    theorgo,
    .
    Some people believe that God actually spent 5 days on Yorkshire alone, knocked up the rest of England in half a day and the rest of the world in what was left over.

  26. 26 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:38 am

    ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 am
    “You lot are obviously just Englishmen a long way from home….”
    .
    Hahahahahaha…I’d whisper that one if I were you :))
    Seriously though our traditions are definately English/Irish and we still use a lot of the same English slang. But then when it comes to things like sport, oh take for example.. Cricket,(:p) we are totally different…we tend to win :))))

  27. 27 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 am

    ۞
    “Some people”
    .
    Named Alchemist? :))

  28. 28 Wench Beth Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:40 am

    This God guy is a pretty shifty character. Go figure… I mean, he lets his own son get killed, takes a vacation on Yorkshire, messes with the rest of the world for two days, and now is talking to the president of the U.S. like they’re best pals and telling HIM how to run the world. Is God thinking of retiring or something?

  29. 29 thesorgo Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 am

    i have never played cricket
    It’s like baseball, right?

  30. 30 Wench Beth Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 am

    I think it’s similar. Brits, confirmation?

  31. 31 Wench Beth Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 am

    Of course baseball is the best sport on earth so cricket can’t be that far off!

  32. 32 thesorgo Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:58 am

    I have to say I’m more English on the sports front
    Huge soccer aficionado i am

  33. 33 Wench Beth Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 am

    Where I live soccer is definitely the sport of choice! (As it is in most other countries of the world.) Wonder why most of the U.S. is behind in this respect?

  34. 34 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 am

    Baseball is like cricket, but you hold the bat pointing down and there is only one ‘base’ and two players are in at a time.
    .
    Oh and I’ll get hung for this, Cricket is very very very BORING.
    I’m really BORING. You can play for five days and it still ends in a draw.
    It is incredibly, fantastically, mind numbingly DULL beyond imagination unless you’ve been there.

  35. 35 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:08 am


    .
    51/2 days. He knocked the rest of the Universe up on a wet Saturday afternoon. I imagine the Cricket was rained off.
    .
    Cricket like baseball? Well, they both use a hard ball and a bat but that’s about it. I forget who said this but they described cricket as the only game that lasts 5 days and still ends up as a draw!
    .
    It’s not a game, it’s Cricket!

  36. 36 thesorgo Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 am

    it is one of the failings that rub al hinz was speaking about earlier.
    I think its probably because we invented a bunch of the other ball sports and so we have alot of choices
    .
    also americans as a whole aren’t all that fond of running, another failing

  37. 37 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:12 am

    Running! Most of your fellow countrymen aren’t that keen on walking!

  38. 38 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:14 am


    Oh and I’ll get hung for this, Cricket is very very very BORING.
    .
    It’s hanged! :D Hey, if you’ve ever been to a match you’d know it’s not about who’s winning on the pitch but who’s supporters can drink more beer! As demonstrated by the length of the plastic beer mug snakes formed in the crowd.
    5 days of solid drinking! No wonder we lost the Empire :)

  39. 39 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:14 am

    He knocked the rest of the Universe up on a wet Saturday afternoon.

    You’re not going to tell me it doesn’t show!
    .
    Remember we believe the FSM got the whole job done in around 2 seconds.

  40. 40 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 am

    Hell, I’ll believe anything if it has beer :)

  41. 41 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 am

    thesorgo Jun 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 am
    “i have never played cricket It’s like baseball, right?”
    .
    Hehehehehehe
    Here you go sorgo, this will explain the game (thanks again Booty :))
    .
    Rules of Cricket:
    * You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
    .
    * Each man that’s in the side that’s in the field goes out and when he’s out comes in and the next man goes in until he’s out.
    .
    * When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
    .
    * When they are all out, the side that’s out comes in and the side that’s been in goes out and tries to get those coming in out.
    .
    * Sometimes, there are men still in and not out.
    .
    * There are men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
    .
    * Depending on the weather and the light, the umpires can also send everybody in, no matter if they’re in or out.
    .
    * When both sides have been in and all the men are out (including those who are not out), then the game is finished.
    .
    :p

  42. 42 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 am

    Just like Baseball :)))

  43. 43 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 am

    Alchemist
    “I forget who said this but they described cricket as the only game that lasts 5 days and still ends up as a draw!”
    .
    Except when Aust. plays England! :p))

  44. 44 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 am

    Remind me Nikkiee - Did Oz retain the Ashes or regain them? :D

  45. 45 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 am

    Alchemist,
    .
    Watch this and then tell me English Cricket is better than Australian.
    .
    http://www.bikinicricket.com/

  46. 46 DutchPastaGuy Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:15 am

    @Alchemist
    “Remind me Nikkiee - Did Oz retain the Ashes or regain them? :D”
    I have to desert you here Alchemist. If you’ve come to the point where you have to trump Englands only Ashes win in like 2 decades then Nikkiees point about Oz beating the crap out of England is well made.
    Btw, when Oz regained the Ashes, did they not do it so convincingly as to end that debate for the rest of this decade? I remember something about a 5-0 white wash.

  47. 47 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:17 am

    hahaha - yeah, I can’t see Flintoff wearing that (actually, he probably would if he was pissed).
    .
    Did notice that the keeper was standing pretty close to the stumps and the bikini batsman was making a wild waft down to square leg that would probably be caught.
    .
    (now, that’s sad!)

  48. 48 ۞ Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:26 am

    You what Alchemist. No I didn’t notice any of that.

  49. 49 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:27 am

    @DPG
    “If you’ve come to the point where you have to trump Englands only Ashes win in like 2 decades then Nikkiees point about Oz beating the crap out of England is well made.
    .
    Yup :) 31:28 to the Aussies. Not so clear cut when you take in the whole picture.
    .
    Damn. I love statistics - so pliable :)
    (oh yeah - they’ve been ahead of us since the ’80s - good time then. Strong England, strong Australia and a legendary West Indies team. I sincerely hope we can put up a decent team for the next Series. Nothing short of humiliation this time. Useless tossers!)

  50. 50 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:27 am

    Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 am
    “Remind me Nikkiee - Did Oz retain the Ashes or regain them? :D”
    Bloody hell, you win the Ashes for the first time in a brazillion years (:p)) and we never here the end of it! :))) But that’s Ok :)) Understandable that you guys want to hold that victory foremost in your minds….under the circumstances :p))))))
    Sorry…have to leave you with that. :)
    Gotta sleep :(
    p.s. pup now thinks it’s gymnastic lion. Launches itself into the air like a cat going spastic when it’s playing! Have more sympathy for those bitemark holes in your arms now. :)) Memories of having a young pup around are all coming back to me again!
    .
    Catch you all later. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening all
    :)))

  51. 51 Wench Nikkiee Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:30 am

    Hahahahaha…didn’t see DPGs post before I submitted mine :)
    Night all

  52. 52 Jingles Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 am

    Ohhhh cricket :D
    .
    The awesome displays of talent, rivetting drama, and even an exciting game in Perth (I didn’t know it was possible!!), topped off by the “Talking Boony”**, made this the best ashes ever. Except for possibly the other time Aussies drove England into the ground 5-0 (but I doubt any of us were alive back then, so this kinda wins).
    .
    @۞, duly favourited :D
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    **VB, the beer of the gods themselves, had a marketing promotion where you could get these two 15cm high plastic statuettes, of David Boon and Ian Botham, (Ozzy and Pommy cricketers respectively from around the 80s-90s). What was special was they where synchronized to the games, and would crack out jokes and taunts all game. Did you poms get anything like this?

  53. 53 Jingles Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 am

    Hy Nikkiee, Bye Nikkiee

  54. 54 thesorgo Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:43 am

    after looking at the rules for cricket i have decided that i must not be meant to understand it. (that’s how i rationalize everything i don’t get)
    I’d have to watch it to understand

  55. 55 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:43 am

    Hi Jingles - nice to see you again. You on holiday now (I have no idea about your term times, you have three or two?)
    No - nothing like that that I remember - sounds a laugh though. Wonder why they didn’t do one of Geoff Boycott ?

  56. 56 Alchemist Jun 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 am

    @thesorgo
    .
    “I’d have to watch it to understand”
    .
    I wouldn’t bet. I’ve been playing and watching cricket for most of my life and I still have problems with the rules.

  57. 57 Jingles Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 am

    2 semesters, started “holiday” last thursday, and have already racked up 32 hours of work :S
    .
    @thesorgo
    .
    If you can wear a somberero (sp?) or a melon hat, can drinkcopious (and I mean COPIOUS) quantities of booze, and can come up with loud, preferably hilarious, drunken chants, you will be as equipped to watch the game as Richie Bernaud.

  58. 58 Her Most Serene Highness Wench Lady Octarine1 the Undulant of Hopton Goosnargh Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 am

    bohemian rhapsody! stairway to heaven! dark side of the moon!(pink floyd) these are some of the things you will hear on triple m!
    now, down to buisiness. 1 can pirates wear kaftans/capes? moustaches are obviously in
    i need to be able to celebrate caperil, MOvember and kaftan day as a pirate!
    please, ask what those are!
    2 video games- must… be… able… to play…METROID!!! it may help to know that IDiot gamers are rare. um… i think… er… maybe.
    and lastly, weaponry. can we bring our own?
    i have lots! i smith em myself!
    swords/daggers mostly. very piratey! arr!

  59. 59 Her Most Serene Highness Wench Lady Octarine1 the Undulant of Hopton Goosnargh Jun 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 am

    also, to booty, nope, you dont know me, havent posted before today lol
    also, for a while i had a 1-person religion as a pepsi demon, (we have only 2 weaknesses, first to guess em wins or was listening to spoony about superstitions lol)
    so, i only started posting toady but read it for ages. i know all the jokes about rowing (oars - need i say more?)
    ill list what i listen to on triple m
    john & jane (breakfast show)
    get this - tony martin, ed kavalee and richard marsland
    “those idiots cr**ing on about kaftans” - tony martin.
    spoonman
    “nothing is sacred, no topic taboo.
    what do you wanna talk about”
    sig- remember, if the world didn’t suck, we’d all fall off

  60. 60 her most serene highness wench lady octarine1 the undulant of hopton goosnargh Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    g’day
    dont remember who posted it but we aussies arent englishmen a long way from home.
    what englishman would put a perfectly good pie in mushy peas? none, even while drunk. lol
    there you have it, mate.
    i agree with nikkee - we do tend to win @ cricket
    sig - (something i say myself sometimes just to sound insane)
    “the pepsi-cheese will rule the world!”
    what do you think? is it insane-sounding?

  61. 61 Wench Beth Jun 23rd, 2007 at 7:57 pm

    Be careful when you mention peas… there is someone here who will make you walk the plank for it!

  62. 62 wench octarine Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    my name. im cutting back for health reasons
    now, who do you mean beth
    if they want ill sign a peas treaty
    hmm. not sure i know who you mean.
    i have inner peas since i discovered fsm
    sig - and … world peas!

  63. 63 Jingles Jun 23rd, 2007 at 8:41 pm

    So WO, another Aussie ey?
    .
    I’m gonna guess an eastern stater? Love your taste in music btw :D

  64. 64 noodleists? Jun 24th, 2007 at 3:16 am

    people eating pasta on beaches in pirate regalia… that is a noodlist beach
    ¦-)

  65. 65 ۞ Jun 24th, 2007 at 3:29 am

    Ho Ho!

  66. 66 Alchemist Jun 24th, 2007 at 4:11 am

    Wench Octarine (Pratchett fan?)
    what englishman would put a perfectly good pie in mushy peas? none, even while drunk. lol
    .
    The infamous floater eh? I’ve made some interesting drunk food but you’re right, never that.
    I hate mushy peas - which is a bit like hating soccer (hate that too) where I live!

  67. 67 Wench Nikkiee Jun 24th, 2007 at 5:21 am

    wench octarine
    “put a perfectly good pie in mushy peas? none, even while drunk. lol”
    .
    We don’t really have those in QLD. Maybe can get it here and there…but rare.
    Think it’s more a SA….maybe WA too(?) tradition. Heard about them, but sure I’ve never seen one. Can’t imagine what technique would be used to eat it :)))

  68. 68 Alchemist Jun 24th, 2007 at 5:51 am

    Just found this on Wiki…..
    “In 2003, the pie floater was recognised as a South Australian Heritage Icon by the National Trust of Australia.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_floater
    .
    Hahahahaha - Heritage Icon?

  69. 69 Wench Nikkiee Jun 24th, 2007 at 6:04 am

    Don’t laugh…they recently added Cane Toads to that list, much to the outrage of the population. Not sure if they since removed the entry!

  70. 70 ۞ Jun 24th, 2007 at 6:24 am

    I only know one thing as a floater. And that looks about as appetising.
    .
    I rest my case. The Aussies are like the Brits on a permanent holiday.
    They are soooo laid back.

  71. 71 Alchemist Jun 24th, 2007 at 6:27 am

    I can imagine a bit of outrage - if they carry on like they were you’ll be knee deep in toads in a few years. You’d think myxomatosis would have given folks a heads up.

  72. 72 Wench Beth Jun 24th, 2007 at 7:31 am

    “Knee Deep In Toads” — that’d be a great name for a band!

  73. 73 ۞ Jun 24th, 2007 at 7:43 am

    Quick register the domain name.

  74. 74 Jingles Jun 24th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    The sad thing is, as laid back as we are, we have one of the highest rates of unpaid overtime in any western country :(
    .
    We do know how to drink though, which I suppose is something you might learn on holiday?
    .
    .
    .
    Anyway, pie floaters are a sacrilege. Meat pies are awesome, peas are divine, but never shall the twain meet.

  75. 75 Red Dutch Pasta Wench Jun 25th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    Mmmmm, I was thinking of going to Australia next year, but know…..

  76. 76 wench octarine Jun 25th, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    just goin through old threads to answer questions
    @ alchemist - yes i am a pratchett fan
    and it is infamous… terry got it right on the back of last continent about rincewind being the only person to eat a pie floater while sober…
    @ nikkee - technique involves lots of boose. a (mis)quote from john howard - “obviously thousands of gigalitres” lol.
    ramen

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