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This is a very interesting discussion on the subject of Intelligent Design by Brown University’s Kenneth Miller. It’s just under two hours long, and if you have the time I highly recommend watching it. There is even a mention of Pastafarianism at around 90 minutes.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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DPG, don’t forget the fysical AND verbal AND psychological abuse that poor Ships Cat had to endure for a while. It does look like its doing a bit better now….
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I guess for THAT screwed up cat, I would have to get a blow gun!!
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@Enya
“Giraffes??? I mean, I get the sheep, but.. c’mon!! Giraffes! do you really think you are that long… eh… tall?!! :) and don’t overdo it with the animals, I’m good in neutering hehe”
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The giraffes are part of a Pastafarian plot to win the presidential elections in 2008. Peter Popoff will be our candidate. I’m his chief policy maker and fund raiser. Look for the word giraffe in some of the older threads and all will become clear (practical advice on how to search old threads: insert a term like “giraffe site:venganza.org” into google). In short: oil is the last decades strategic resource, from now on nations will go to war for control of herds of giraffes, not oil. The giraffe initiative that Popoff will introduce after his election will radically change the geo-politcal landscape of the world, as well as the fashion industry.
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And apart from the practical implications of it, wabbits, sheep and giraffes have also become an integral part of the Pastafarian spiritual and cultural heritage. Yes, we are a spiritual and intellectual, yet intelligent group of believers.
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wabbits are rabbits, or am I mistaken? Oh FSM, there is still sooo much to learm about your holy ways!!
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@Enya
“wabbits are rabbits, or am I mistaken? ”
Correct. Think of the Life of Brian and the public address the local Roman ruler gave to the citizens of Jerusalem: “Wome is youw fwiend”
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@DrDPG:
That’s why I called it an “Energy Storage Media”, not an “Energy Source”. Hydrogen has this problem as well. As to usage, how about an Orion (classic, not ‘new’ version) type space-to-space drive. Nothing wrong with discussing Absurdium drives, is there?
And, for the pirate space vessel:
http://inferno.slug.org/jpeg/captain-harlock/greenarcadia.jpg
and:
http://www.damianobrigo.it/arcadiatot.jpg
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Hi – Dread Amish Pirate John (do you mind if I abbreviate that?)
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“Nothing wrong with discussing Absurdium drives, is there?”
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Nothing at all wrong with that :) Why do space ships always have to be streamlined though? One of your links’ even had stabilisers – why? Mind you, they do look pretty :)
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As to the antimatter thing; after one of Dan Brown’s shitefests “Angels and Demons” the following was put on the web by CERN;
http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/Spotlight/SpotlightAandD-en.html
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Like I said – nowt wrong in being daft – I’m usually quite sensible when I post here!
(You do realise that ‘Dread Amish Pirate John’ abbreviates, quite nicely, to DAmP John)
Henceforth ye shall be known as DAmP John =))
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Not an insult BTW DAmP John – just thought it was funny – meh :P
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@Dr DPG
“And apart from the practical implications of it, wabbits, sheep and giraffes have also become an integral part of the Pastafarian spiritual and cultural heritage.”…and wock badger…let’s not forget wock badger…
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Bloody hell Wench Thumper – you’re up early for a Saturday – I try not to surface until afternoon :)
How goes it mon amie?
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Hi Wench Thumper,
Of course, wock badgew too. And how do you like general relativity sofar?
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Oh – Wench Thumper (nice bra BTW!) – the only reason I placed you below TLM as “my favourite troll” was TLM got mad with us :) I think he really did bang his little head against the wall in frustration with a few of us. That’s what made him fun =))
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You were a bit different. The only thing you banged was your wikkle tail wagging furiously against your desk in paroxysms (?) of glee :)
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Hell, I know I bit to start with – ’twas fun :) (I loved the bit about what did the priest do to me :) )
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Woot – OZ v Eng tomorrow! wonder how many we’ll lose by :((
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This site is getting boring! Who’s off to liven it up?
baccahnaliandelight@yahoo.co.uk
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If anyone can be arsed!
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Hey, Alchemist! Hello! What are you proposing? I’ve been out of the loop. (Another damn series of &*(#!-storms passing through my life). I was feeling rather unimpressed by life today when I was informed the Jesus loves me! Go figure! I guess I’ll go skipping off into the sunset now. Boy do I feel better.
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Hi Saucy.
Hope all is well with you!
Ramen
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erm – Saucy – hi pet :) I’m stirring things up on the Cthulla website – sorry folks :) had to do it – you ok?
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K; new handle, I guess. Can’t be arsed at the moment to find the proper term for an acronym-infused title. :p
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The ships pictured have aerodynamic features because they are supposedly capable of operating in atmosphere as well as space. I found the fins of less importance, asthetically, than the 30′ bas-relief skull and crossbones on the bow of the ship, or the wood and glass Captain’s Quarters on the stern.
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Is it wrong to think of Wench Thumper when I see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjLEITUtTOc
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Ah, well, time to go to sheep. SLEEP! Time to go to sleep, yeah…*shifty eyes* Anyone seen Alchemist?
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@SaucyWench
Hi Saucy :))
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“I was informed the Jesus loves me!”
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The Pink Unicorn and the Teapot love you more. But His Noodlyness, the FSM loves you the most. ;) As do all of us that know you a little from your posts.
Come back again to CoFSM again soon.
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@DutchPastaguy
You give this formula for mass
m(v) = m0/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
A similar formula for time and based on the same special relativity theory is
t(v)/t0=sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
of interest to time travel fans.
Again, as you point out, small velocities mean nothing
When you get to 86% the speed of light time slows down to 1/2 speed compared to place of origin (simplifying here because velocities are relative to speed of framework).
The part I am interested in is that going faster than the speed of light doesn’t make you go back in time. (In fact if it did with the usual projection, you would stop aging and just get younger not go back in time), but when the velocity is greater than the speed of light (c), time becomes imaginary. So much for most time travel science fiction based upon einsteins relativity.
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@ DAmP John – hahahahahaha – you’ll do for me :)
Sorry. had to sleep – damn these sins of the flesh. Oh ok – atmospheric capable ships – ya ok, understood :) – can they go into a gas giant though? The “Beyonders” live in gas giants – mind you, ya don’t want to mess with them!
They look like radioactive squid crossed with a ferret :) I’ll show you a ‘photo when I can be arsed photoshopping it!
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@ Alchemist, Wench Nikkiee, and Peter – Thanks for your greetings and kind words.
I know the FSM loves me, and what a comfort that is! Now I don’t have to get all dressed up to go to church tomorrow! Well, I could get dressed up like a pirate… As an aside, I had fun over the past few days when people asked me, “Are you all ready for Easter?” or “Are you having turkey or ham for Easter dinner?” While trying to be as matter-of-fact as possible, I said things like, “I’m not Christian. I prefer to go on fairy hunts with my kids at the Vernal Equinox.” and “It’s Easter Sunday?”, and, my personal favorite, “I guess I’ll have to dig out the polyurethane Buddha for the dashboard of my car.” People just looked at me and said, “Oh”. Self-rightous, presumptive sheep! Bastards. I guess I better have some more coffee. I’m a little cranky this morning.
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And, furthermore, I listened to a piece about the Easter story on the radio on the way home from the gym yesterday. I listen to a Christian radio show every now and then just to re-affirm my non-faith in Jesus. It was then that I was reminded that Jesus loves me, died for me, yadda, yadda, yadda. I see the whole thing as just another piece in the development and evolution of thousands of belief systems through the millenia. I prefer the story of Persephone’s return from the Underworld as the cause for the world returning back to life. When I see crocuses blossoming in the Spring, I think of her. Maybe I should go around asking people whether they’re going to serve pomegranites or apples at their Equinox celebrations. When they look at me quizzically, I could say, “Well, Hades suffers each year as he allows Persephone to return to her mother for half of every year. Can’t you be a little grateful, you unsufferable bastard?”
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Er, is that insufferable bastard?
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@Bill
“The part I am interested in is that going faster than the speed of light doesn’t make you go back in time. (In fact if it did with the usual projection, you would stop aging and just get younger not go back in time), but when the velocity is greater than the speed of light (c), time becomes imaginary. So much for most time travel science fiction based upon einsteins relativity.”
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That would not exclude the possibility of moving forward in time. Go sit in a space ship that moves very fast (much faster than we can make them go at the moment) and return to earth some time later. Your younger brother will have have a more wrinkled forehead than you when you get back. That part of sci-fi is not practical yet, but not theoretically impossible. In fact, a very tiny amount of that goes on each time we get of the couch and walk over to the kitchen to pick up a new bag of crisps. Not that you would notice though.
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Saucy – Not Pomegranates! The food of the dead they are! Mind you, at least Proserpina/Persephone gave us seasons! Can you imagine perpetual summer? Where I’m from that means warm(ish) rain :)
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Alchemist – Here in New England we have 3 seasons: Winter, mud, and construction. Oh, I spelled pomegranate incorrectly. Shoot.
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@SaucyWench Apr 7th, 2007 at 5:19 am
“I listened to a piece about the Easter story on the radio”
I listened to one about a classroom full of different nationalities learning English and discussing what Easter was about. It was hilarious. Unfortunately there was no mp3 download on that one. (ABC…our national govt. broadcaster) I think it was called “Why not a bell” Don’t remember the story tellers name either. There were a number of Islamic students learning English language in the scenario as well. Willtry to find the speech….I believe it, or at least the author may be relatively well known. Good to virtually see you again :))
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@ Wench Nikkiee,
I read something similar by Dave Barry? Maybe it was the same thing. Maybe it was Dave Sedaris. Anyway, it really made Easter seem silly. Go figure.
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Saucy –
“Oh, I spelled pomegranate incorrectly. Shoot.”
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Firefox – my patron saint of spelling – if I turn it off I spell like a fundie! In fact, that’s exactly what I do when playing silly buggers :)
Honestly, my spelling is shite! I spell pomegranets to start with :)
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Alchemist – Thanks. I feel better now. I won second place in a spelling bee in 2nd grade. The work I spelled incorrectly? Potato. I could be Vice-President!
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Dave Sedaris sounds familar :)
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@Alchemist
F..! spelling :)
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Yep that’s the one Saucy…thanks :)
http://www.csuchico.edu/pub/inside/archive/00_04_20/6.sedaris.html
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“……..When a student asked for an explanation of Easter, her fellow students responded: “He called himself Jesus and then he died one day on two morsels of lumber. . . . He died one day, then he went above my head to live with your father. . . . After he died the first day, he came back here for to say hello to the people.”
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@ Wench Nikkiee – That made me laugh all over again. I actually own the book that’s in, come to think of it. It’s probably with my “How to get rid of clutter” book, which I cannot find.
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hahahahaha
I’ve just heard the loudest, most drunken and tone deaf version of Wings “Band on the Run” from my partying neighbors, I’ve ever heard in my life! :))
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Wench Nikkiee
“@Alchemist
F..! spelling :)”
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Ya – you’ve seen me without my firefox of armour! Saucy – it’s not pretty, honestly! Without my links though! Aaargh! I be edumacated ut Leds in Tykeland wot I done waz drink (I can spell that!)
Honestly – I see some of the spelling from the Fundies and think “there go I but for the grace of Firefox 2″
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So – in the words of my drizzle soaked place “bugger it!”
Hey – it’s sunny! Time to feed the radioactive squerrets!
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“Time to feed the radioactive squerrets!”
With lawn clippings from the mowing Alchemist :)
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We have snow on the ground! No grass to mow yet. I’m envious.
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Once upon a time, my friends and I were going to the little patch of snow we get here in Oz. We actually got as far as a pub on the outskirts of the city we were leaving :) It’s white isn’t it?
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Yes, the snow is white. That is, except for my crazy neighbor’s yard. He snow-blows the snow off his entire yard. He’s a freak.
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Sounds noisy? Have you got some Dandelions you could perhaps share with him? :))
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What I have is better than dandelions. My husband makes WAY more noise than my neighbor, and I’m sure the condition of our house and yard drive him crazy. We’ve been completely renovating the house and land since the mesozoic era. I’ve been driven insane, so why shouldn’t we share our joy with our neighbors?
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After some time in the wilderness I have returned… It’s good to see that this site is somewhat like Neighbours (or some other culturally relevant soap opera) in that you can leave for a few months and come back and catch up on the story in a couple of threads. The Wenches are still here and Thumper is still spouting on about a theoretical girlfriend that was a model once. It is apparently love, in fact he is so infatuated with her that he spends the best part of his day away from her so that he can post on this website. It leads me to believe that by model he means the mannequin variety…
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I’d like to agree with Lisa and John Phillips who posted right up the top of this thread. Kenneth Miller is my hero too and he is a class act as a lecturer. He made an interesting point, which was that scientists are very poor promoters of their work, and it is frowned upon if they are. I don’t know if I entirely agree with him on this point, but I will concede that scientific discovery plays a very minor role in the media. This is disappointing I think.
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Oh Saucy if only you could here my neighbors at the moment. The drunken football crowd sound :))
They sometimes annoy me, especially when I have early mornings, but tonight I think they sound hilarious. I tried to go to bed 5 hours ago, then decided not to fight against the noise. I have some rather loud implements for a 5am wake up call, ( depending on what time they fall over…must make sure they have transversed from pass out to sleeping mode) if they really piss me off though. Power tools and loud clanging iron are both good…then there’s the mower :))
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@Coleoptera Apr 7th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Oh that’s right this is CoFSM isn’t it :))
Hahahahaha…
Hi Coleoptera :))
Long time no see
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@Coleoptera
“I don’t know if I entirely agree with him on this point, but I will concede that scientific discovery plays a very minor role in the media.”
I think the IDiots and YECs also put much more effort and money into their advertising spin doctoring.
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“you can leave for a few months and come back and catch up on the story in a couple of threads.”
Ahh… but different flavours Coleoptera :))
I’m out!
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@Wench Nikkiee Apr 7th, 2007 at 9:13 am
Hi Coleoptera :))
Long time no see
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Yeah, I have been spending a bit of time on the CoFSM forums. I felt it was time to check back in. I see that the debate with Leucine petered out… Where did the good doctor go? And that other guy with the name I can’t remember, Science wonder or something?
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Hi Coleoptera!
What you may have missed is that Thumper was pretending to be a troll, he is now “one of us”, and his link does show a real life girlfriend.
There has been some dispute over whether his trolling was funny or not though, so some sparks are still flying.
We haven’t had any real fundies for a while – mostly hit and runs.
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@Wench Nikkiee Apr 7th, 2007 at 9:22 am
I think the IDiots and YECs also put much more effort and money into their advertising spin doctoring.
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They have, I think that was part of what Kenneth Miller was arguing. ID is presented in a fasion that is more accesible to the layperson. They still use the irreducibly complex bacterial flagellum argument even though it was disproved over 8 years ago. People are probably more familiar with the irreducible complexity argument than the compelling evidence to the contrary. He used the example of the 46 chromosomes in humans versus 48 in our close ancestors. You would expect that if evolutionary theory was true that the 46 chromosomes in humans would be a result of chromosomal fusion. This was demonstrated almost 2 years ago but few people, myself formally included, have heard of this result despite its implications for ID.
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