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This is a very interesting discussion on the subject of Intelligent Design by Brown University’s Kenneth Miller. It’s just under two hours long, and if you have the time I highly recommend watching it. There is even a mention of Pastafarianism at around 90 minutes.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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Everyone to arms a fellow pastafarian student has been suspended for his pirate attire!
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http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Pastafarian_student_suspended_for_wearing_religious_pirate_attire
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@Alchemist
The same thing that happened to all your loose marbles? =) I’m kidding… I don’t think you’ve lost your marbles. I have a notebook now… I just started keeping track of my stuff a little while ago. =S
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All right Floorian…
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Nick – I’ve made a note and will visit soon :)
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What loose marbles Batman O:)
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@Alchemist
The ones your sheep kicking tripping over! =P It is taking me a while to get my registration confirmation from that site. Sigh. Wish it would hurry up. I am going to be going nuts for the next week and a half, I can just tell.
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keep tripping over. I can’t type anymore.
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No problem – trouble with time differences – It’s 2355 here – but only 1655 where you are – about the same (+/- an hour, in the states) major activity in forums later on. No replies to mine yet – it’s about time we all used the same timezone :) and decimaised it too – 100 seconds to a minute, 10 minutes to an hour, 10 hours to a day, 10 days to a week (5 being statutory holidays) etc.
We might need to change the spin of the planet, but what the hell – would make life easier!
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Hey Alchemist, if we’re changiing it to 10 days a week, can we just go ahead and make it 20? That way we could have 3 rest days to each working day. That would seriously rock. ^(^_^)^ ^_^)>
@Nick- The OUTRAGE! We need to organize a march NOW!
‘xcept I’m on spring break. can we wait a week?
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I replied. =)
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If Superman were here, he could fly around the planet and reverse it’s spin, thus sending us back in time. Assuming he has his “flux capacitor” or whatever it is… I had this argument with a guy at work. Can’t remember the reasoning, but this flux thing is apparently quite important.
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Oh, and yeah… I got escorted from the building at work today. Not in a bad way, but I gave my “official” notice that I was going to work for a competitor, and they gave me half an hour to gather my stuff.
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L’TUAE – I’m not going to try to work that one out :) Hell yes, I’m game – although I think it’s called Consultant :))
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Dread Wench;
If you have any luck, will you let me know? I would love more days of rest. (I shouldn’t say that at this moment, perhaps… but when I’m working, I always feel like I am three short steps away from utter exhaustion.)
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Batman, so you’re officially off work for good now? (Maybe it was that brilliant e-mail… just kidding!)
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That is SO TOTALLY RUDE that they escorted you out. It has happened to me. My company had a huge layoff — lots of people had to go and unfortunately I was one of them — and when I got my notice they not only escorted me out but had someone WATCH ME while I gathered my things!! And I had worked there for years; I probably was the only honest person in the place!! Well, their karma kicked them in the butt; they went out of business soon after. SO THERE!!
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Plan to have lots of fun in the days before your new job starts! Live it up!
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Batman – nice :) Inflammatory but not abusive – I think I’ve found a new target :)
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@Wench Beth
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“….and when I got my notice they not only escorted me out but had someone WATCH ME while I gathered my things!!”
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What!
How the hell are you going to walk out with stuff then?
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I always thought paper, office stuff, central heating systems, safes etc were part of a standard severance package!
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Bastards!
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@Wench Beth
Yeah, I was more insulted than anything. It’s all to the good. Time for myself is always the kind of time I enjoy. I am pretty sure it was not from that email I sent… unless the bag who sent it out originally complained. I think it’s just a company policy, which I suppose I can agree with; I was just totally shocked by it. =S
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@Alchemist
ha ha ha ha… well, maybe just a tiny bit abusive. =) My character on the pursuit of god site is always pretty polite, and I wanted to try something a little bit different.
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You’re off somewhere else now? =(
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Batman – hell no – I’m playing here and there until I flop. In fact, that site could be fun for a bit – especially if scientologists visit it (a bit meaning weeks)- I’ve no plan on being too sensible though – the more ridiculous the better I think =))
Time to relax and be stupid again!
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@Alchemist
Always good to have some silly fun every so often!! I’m sometimes too serious, but I’ve learned that I can’t always be thinking like that. So, let the fun begin!!! =)
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I posted a quote from C.S. Hyatt (paraphrased) “the strength of a person is a function of their beliefs. The more they have, the weaker they are.”
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Let the good times roll =))
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@ Alchemist – “What! How the hell are you going to walk out with stuff then? I always thought paper, office stuff, central heating systems, safes etc were part of a standard severance package! Bastards!” Wahahaha! LOL! :P
@ Alchemist and Batman – have fun, be careful too though…and report back!
@ Dread Wench – hope you can visit more since you’re on break!
Back later…I’m off to cook supper…spagetti and meat sauce tonight!! :)
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@ Alchemist – Quote from Heinlein in Stranger in a Strange Land: “Belief gets in the way of learning.” Not as much fun as the one you just posted, but hope it comes in handy…
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hahahaha – going to plant this one given half a chance :)
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Exercise 26.3
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Go to a church this Sunday; get yourself invited to an after-church social event…..watch them with a smile on your face and the cold dead eyes of the shark…….This is it! This is – what it – is all about………
I liked the one about bringing a pie or casserole to the event. With a wrist-watch or ring in it :)
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I’m out for the night, guys. Have fun, Alchemist… give ‘em hell! Have a good one, all you pirates and wenches.
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Alas, I’m out too :( – made one last post on a different forum.
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@ Batman and Alchemist – Catch you later!
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To Alchemist… yeah, they were on to me, the big thief of the company (ha ha). They made sure I didn’t walk out with even a pencil. Ironic thing was, I knew people who were regularly stealing from the company! I think they were watching the wrong gang :)
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Hi everyone :)
Catching up while on a short break here
@Batman Mar 28th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
@Alchemist
“What loose marbles Batman O:)â€
@Batman
“The ones your sheep kicking tripping over!…..keep tripping overâ€
Hehehehehehehehe :))
Poor Alchemist ;)
Alchemist doesn’t have loose marbles Batman…they’re just a funny colour ;))
The sheep trip over because he prefers blind sheep so as they can’t see him sneaking up on them ;)
Sorry Alchemist….you know we all love you dearly….especially when you wibble….hehehehe :)))
In a silly mood here…must be the ether fumes from the lab next door to where I spent the afternoon.
Say an FSM prayer for all the now defunct fruit flies :)
Back later
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Ooh have to respond to this one before I go… I just read an article on this very issue in the paper today.
@Alchemist Mar 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
“time we all used the same timezone..
We might need to change the spin of the planet, but what the hell – would make life easier!â€
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“Stop the clocks: make it British time everywhere”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1880801.htm
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Bobby would most definitely need a bigger server if that were adopted…would be a mad house here at certain times of the day :))
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And one more for the all cows and cow pats. Solving that methane problem.
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“New research to solve a windy problem with cows”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1883294.htm
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So how are they planning on doing it?
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Umm…a big cork maybe . Don’t know about the burping…I think you can buy pills for that though :)
There was another great story there today as well (ABC News Online)
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“Thai panda gets daily dose of porn”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1882096.htm
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:)))
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(waves at all) See, I joined up. Thanx for the welcomes. I’ll be visiting in the forum whenever I ahve a chance.
@Rowdy–“I’ve said for years that Jesus wasn’t being complimentary when he called people sheep…†I missed this when you posted it before! He wasn’t dissing exactly, but it sure wasn’t a compliment. He had a heck of a sense of humor, which most folks don’t know. I love when a bunch tried to stone Him & He went ‘I’ve done many good deeds among you. For which one of those are you planning to stone me?’ lol
@Nikkiee–the panda p0rn story rocks. Bwah!
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@Wench Lisa
Glad to have you join up. There is not an awful ‘criss-cross’ between the threads here and the forum. At some stage in the chat room even Bobby H said he doesn’t visit it much. Some of the CoFSM regulars who visited there also came back with the opinion that the unmoderated threads here are probably the best part of the FSM website experience (and the chat room of course once that is back up).
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@ Wench Lisa – Welcome! *Waves back* I’ve only been to the forums once, to see what they are like. I have difficulty following the format, so I stick with this part of the site.
@ DPG – RAmen! You said it very well.
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@Wench Nikkiee: yeah, sure, why not make it British time. In Australia they celebrate Christmas in summer, so why not having the US eat dinner at midnight? But I would prefer the metric way Alchemist suggested… I hate it having to calculate with 60min/h, 24h/d and then the days of the month! Always changing… how stupid is that! Why did the holy Noodlieness let that happen????
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Enya, he was probably a bit tipsy at the time.Too much beer.
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Err….having some in depth thought processes here at mo. Not at anyone in particular…
Why are we here this site?
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Hi RDPK :)))
Due to recent circumstances….having some random thought processes here. It’s a “dealing with boring ineffective contributor* people problem. Ho Hum!! Yawn :(
And RAmen
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Hellooo…hello…just shout if you can hear me? I’ve have become comfortably numb…
Think it’s a Floyd thing :p
Any warriors out there??? Other than the usual suspects??? :))
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I can here you Nikkiee, I think you’re a bit tipsy as well :)
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Nobody here but us bilge rats.
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I think therefore I am.
If I think not, then am I not?
I think not.
-OEJ, Ship’s Navigator
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To speak with the bruces of Monthy Python:
The philosophers song:
I drink therefore I am.
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Thank FSM the site’s back up. I was worried I might have to learn scientology – although I suspect I might pop back to that site later on. The image of John frantically red flagging posts brings me out all tingly :)
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Nickiee – thanks for the link re. GMT – they were pretty nice to the Daily Telegraph – most people I know call it “That Fascist Rag” – if they had their way the entire world would be wearing tweed and doffing our cap to the aristocracy.
There would be “little match girls” at the corner of every street and “shoe shine boys” to greet you with a cheery “polish yer shoes govn’r? – cor an ‘ole penny! Gawd bless ya sir! Me an me sisters can eat like royalty for a month now”
The good old days!
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Enya – re decimalisation of time. Hell yeah, the calculation side – what a nightmare! I remember that (vaguely) from A’Level Physics.
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What would we call the ten days of the week though? I’ll propose a variation on Latin numbers;
Unday, Dosday(holiday), DosdayII (likewise), DosdayIII (ditto), DosdayIV(guess), Sexday (self-explanatory), SexdayII, TalkLikeAPirateDay, Friday(for tradition – also a holiday) and Decday (for fighting and drinking, likewise a holiday)
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I would say, we make it one workday following one holiday, so there will be still 5 work days but you can go out late every other day. But the II’s are too complicated, let’s make it (… u-oh I always sucked in Latin!!) Unday, Dudeday (free), Triday, Quadday (free), Cincday, Sexday (fine with me), what was seven again? Octday, Nudeday (!) and Decay… or whatever…. and just 10 month, that’s enough
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hahaha – seven would be septday – perhaps change it to septicday – where we all throw a sickie :)
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@Red DutchPasta Kidd Mar 30th, 2007 at 2:39 am
“I can here you Nikkiee, I think you’re a bit tipsy as well :)”
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Think I was too RDPK :)
Better now…had some more drinks :)))
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We had a visit to our campus last night by a speaker associated with Answers in Genesis. I’ve posted my response on my blog at http://blue.butler.edu/~jfmcgrat/blog/
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must have been interesting (!). I know it is preaching to the choir, but the Bible is clearly proofed wrong. Alone the simple fact that the Y-chromosome is a degenerated X-chromosone proofs that male developed out of female and not vice versa. How does those morons explain that??? And what about the 4 different mitochondrial RNAs? Then there must have been 3 Eves.
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@James Mar 30th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
“speaker associated with Answers in Genesis.”
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Ooooh…my favourite meal :)))
Grrrr…
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“Alone the simple fact that the Y-chromosome is a degenerated X-chromosone proofs that male developed out of female and not vice versa.”
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I’m not a feminist but do study molec bio…pass on that one :)))))
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@Thumper, and anyone else who wants a summary of the 2 hours:
You requested a one paragraph summary of the lecture. Miller proved that scientists are far more self-critical than intelligent design theorists, but that despite scientists’ skepticism about evolution, fossils have always provided the required data to show evolutionary theory to be accurate. Conversely, ID theorists, instead of focusing objective peer review, fossil records, and DNA, focus on political sway and persuasion. He remarked that ID, although they claim it is secular and scientific, is supported mostly by religious people. He quoted Behe (sp?) himself as saying that in order to accept ID as science you would have to also accept astrology, phrenology, magic, and witchcraft based theories as well. Miller disproved irreducible complexity, a central tenet to ID. He even proved that Pandas and People was not actually an ID textbook, but a Creationism textbook in disguise. He showed what has been obvious from the start: that ID is a form of creationism and that if teaching creationism in public school science classes is unconstitutional than so is teaching ID in those same classes.
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Personally, after watching that lecture I’m not sure if I want ID taught in public schools in science classes. I know that it’s pseudo-scientific nonsense, and that it could harm the education of a lot of people, but I feel that it might be worth it in the long run when we get to hear fundies make the following (deliciously ironic) argument: “Witchcraft based theories of the origin of humanity are positively insulting when taught in science classrooms. Science is about observable evidence, natural phenomena, and experiments intended to verify hypotheses. No one can observe magic, and no one can design an experiment intended to verify the origin of the human race with witchcraft. Most importantly, magic is a supernatural explanation of events. Witchcraft simply isn’t scientific. These witchcraft-based theories are pseudoscientific, ludicrous, and no more than deceitful attempts to put the Wicca religion in places it doesn’t belong. You shouldn’t teach witchcraft in our classrooms and we won’t teach our scientific theories in your covens!”
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(For those who can’t take a joke, I was kidding. I don’t want ID taught in schools, although I DO think it would be very funny to hear a fundie recite our arguments to keep such theories out of public schools.)
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-Avatar of Reason
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@Thumper, and anyone else who wants a summary of the 2 hours:
You requested a one paragraph summary of the lecture. Miller proved that scientists are far more self-critical than intelligent design theorists, but that despite scientists’ skepticism about evolution, fossils have always provided the required data to show evolutionary theory to be accurate. Conversely, ID theorists, instead of focusing objective peer review, fossil records, and DNA, focus on political sway and persuasion. He remarked that ID, although they claim it is secular and scientific, is supported mostly by religious people. He quoted Behe (sp?) himself as saying that in order to accept ID as science you would have to also accept astrology, phrenology, magic, and witchcraft based theories as well. Miller disproved irreducible complexity, a central tenet to ID. He even proved that Pandas and People was not actually an ID textbook, but a Creationism textbook in disguise. He showed what has been obvious from the start: that ID is a form of creationism and that if teaching creationism in public school science classes is unconstitutional than so is teaching ID in those same classes.
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Personally, after watching that lecture I’m not sure if I want ID taught in public schools in science classes. I know that it’s pseudo-scientific nonsense, and that it could harm the education of a lot of people, but I feel that it might be worth it in the long run when we get to hear fundies make the following (deliciously ironic) argument: “Witchcraft based theories of the origin of humanity are positively insulting when taught in science classrooms. Science is about observable evidence, natural phenomena, and experiments intended to verify hypotheses. No one can observe magic, and no one can design an experiment intended to verify the origin of the human race with witchcraft. Most importantly, magic is a supernatural explanation of events. Witchcraft simply isn’t scientific. These witchcraft-based theories are pseudoscientific, ludicrous, and no more than deceitful attempts to put the Wicca religion in places it doesn’t belong. You shouldn’t teach witchcraft in our classrooms and we won’t teach our scientific theories in your covens!”
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For those who can’t take a joke, I was kidding. I don’t want ID taught in schools, although I DO think it would be very funny to hear a fundie recite our arguments to keep such theories out of public schools.
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-Avatar of Reason
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