Ken Miller’s “The Collapse of Intelligent Design”

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This is a very interesting discussion on the subject of Intelligent Design by Brown University’s Kenneth Miller. It’s just under two hours long, and if you have the time I highly recommend watching it. There is even a mention of Pastafarianism at around 90 minutes.

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  1. 51 - Alchemist - Mar 26th, 2007

    Hi Enya :) erm – you don’t have any sheep perchance?

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  2. 52 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 26th, 2007

    @ Alchemist – missing your sheep today my friend? Hahaha!

    @ Enya – it’s a lovely name! And living with a lot of pasta counts for a great deal!

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  3. 53 - Wench Beth - Mar 27th, 2007

    To Enya… IGNORE ALCHEMIST!! He’s trying to get your goat… I mean, your sheep… ;) Just kiddin’ ya, Alchemist.
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    I love the name Enya. It’s beautiful. How cool to give that name to your daughter! How old is she?

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  4. 54 - Booty - Mar 27th, 2007

    hahaha! Hands off, Rowdy – he’s mine :)
    And yes, he is very cute! I am at work for the next 10 hours! Argh! Want a cuddle now!
    Have a good day all :)

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  5. 55 - Storm Petrel - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Alchemist, if you’re ever in Ireland you should go to Connemara, more sheep than people and the main crop is rocks

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  6. 56 - Kev3056 - Mar 27th, 2007

    Wow, this video is amazing. If anyone actually believes intelligent design, I would highly recommend them seeing these facts. If they still believe in ID after this, then nothing will ever be good enough to change their minds.
    .
    I also think Bush is a horrible President, but there really isnt much we can do at this point. Hopefully he will leave before going to war with Iran, because it seems he wants too. If anyone watches Faux(Fox) News then Iran is what they try and relate all their stories about Iraq to.

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  7. 57 - Amber - Mar 27th, 2007

    I’m glad I found the time to watch that, it was one of the most interesting lectures i’ve ever seen. I think there’s a bit of overreaction there. Proving evolution does not disprove the existence of a creator.

    Anyways, hello all the rest of you. This is the first time i’m posting here, though i’m a long time lurker and huge fan. Unfortunately, the obscenely long lists of comments tend to crash poor MUFFY, my laptop, so I had to wait for a chance to post on something newer.

    Er, so, hi. Probably won’t see much of my words, since MUFFY can only take so much, but i’m always lurking.

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  8. 58 - Alchemist - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Storm Petrel – Wow! I’m there :) Few years ago I lived in the Pennines (well, I lived in a house but you get the idea) Sheep as far as the eye could see.
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    A good example of the personality type of my compadres can be seen there. In the 60s the M62 (motorway – our version of an American country lane) was built. It goes through farm land. One farmer wasn’t playing and decided to tough it out. I think the M62 is the only motorway with a farm in the middle of it :)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/features/2003/m62.shtml
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    Hi Amber :) Welcome. Poor MUFFY – give her a cuddle for me :)

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  9. 59 - Red DutchPasta Kidd - Mar 27th, 2007

    weird. But then, you do get used to the traffic.

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  10. 60 - DutchPastaGuy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Amber
    Welcome. May you and your laptop be touched by His Noodly appendages. Open your heart to the FSM, as you have done already, and with time He will take care of all your troubles. RAmen.

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  11. 61 - Thumper â„¢ - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Alchemist
    Hello…buona mattina ‘n’ all that…been a long day…how’s tricks?…I’m off to bed…nite!…*wabbit wanders off in a daze ears dragging on floor*

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  12. 62 - Storm Petrel - Mar 27th, 2007

    Welcome to CoFSM Amber, I know what you mean about the long threads, when I used post from home the old computer went a bit crazy with them, I usually just stick with the ones in college now, they’re pretty new, if you were willing to spend the money, the computers in internet cafés would probably be able to cope with the long threads, but if you have you’re own it’d be a bit of a waste

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  13. 63 - Third Eye Patch - Mar 27th, 2007

    Wow! Awesome! Definitly worth the watch! For those of you with short attention spans, the actual lecture is only an hour, the last half is questions from the audience.

    Scientists definitly need to work on their PR. I had never heard about that fused chromosome thing. That’s rad!!

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  14. 64 - Alchemist - Mar 27th, 2007

    Night Thumper – I’m on a go slow today :)
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    RDPK – true :) Think I’d be worried about a lorry popping in for tea though!

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  15. 65 - Red DutchPasta Kidd - Mar 27th, 2007

    But you don’t have to worry about them building a block of flats right across you house or something like that.

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  16. 66 - EarthRise - Mar 27th, 2007

    This guy actually came to Clemson University and delivered this very speech, which turned out to be very successful, despite the handful of anti-evolutionists who felt the urge to ask such ridiculous questions as “Why isn’t evolution a law yet?”

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  17. 67 - Storm Petrel - Mar 27th, 2007

    Making evolution a law would probably be seen as religious discrimmination by mental fundies

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  18. 68 - Jarmin Desecrator - Mar 27th, 2007

    I used some of the arguements presented within the lecture with a Fundie YEC (Young Earth Creationist for those unfamiliar, pronounce it yech, like something disgusting ;) ) and I even managed to get him to admitt, based upon the definition of science, that ID was not a science. Unfortunately, he tehn began quoting scripture to explain why it was true anyway. Which caused my fire-spewing aetheist friends to go totally crazy. They totally ripped into him. I almost felt sorry for the poor guy… but then I remembered he was using something which is obviously parable, translated multiple times, and even then, highly dubious (in regards to it “divine inspiration and infallibility”, not so much its physical existance), so I sat back and watched the shit fly.

    What struck me most was his incapability to even formulate a rational arguement. But then, that always surprises me.

    Just thought I would share some utility this particular topic has generated for FSM.

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  19. 69 - Storm Petrel - Mar 27th, 2007

    He probably couldn’t come up with an arguement himself because he’s gotten too used to being told what to think and basing his decisions off that not so little book

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  20. 70 - DutchPastaGuy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Jarmin Desecrator
    The ones that try to flee out of it by quoting scripture are pityful creatures. I might also almost pity him, because of his brain washed state. On the other hand it really makes you feel good about yourself as an independent self-thinking person.

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  21. 71 - DutchPastaGuy - Mar 27th, 2007

    Oh shit, let me try to turn off bold again …..

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  22. 72 - DutchPastaGuy - Mar 27th, 2007

    Failed, see if this works.

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  23. 73 - DutchPastaGuy - Mar 27th, 2007

    HELP!! HELP!!

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  24. 74 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Amber – Welcome! I hope you get the chance to post. I will pray that Muffy his touched by His Noodly Appendage and gives you more opportunities! :)

    @ DPG – I’ve been scared to try using bold…now I know why! I can’t help you my friend – I don’t know how! :(

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  25. 75 - Enya - Mar 27th, 2007

    I finally made it!! The speech is great! But it’s sad that you have to ‘prove’ that ID is wrong… I mean, as he said, who wants a proof against Astronomy. But I don’t think you can change any of ‘those’ minds with proof or logic!
    P.S. my maiden name was shepherd, but that’s all I have to do with sheep. Cool stuff, though, you can eat them, drink their milk, make clothes and if you are a religious leader they follow you wherever you want without asking questions…

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  26. 76 - Enya - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Alchemist: that link was tough! Wow, nothing worth anymore, I guess. But the pictures were so terrible, is it always raining over there?!

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  27. 77 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Enya – Alchemist’s interest in sheep is, well, more weird than the ones you mention! Hahaha…one of our sick little running jokes…
    “if you are a religious leader they follow you wherever you want without asking questions…” RAmen to that! hahahaha! I’ve said for years that Jesus wasn’t being complimentary when he called people sheep…

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  28. 78 - Wench Beth - Mar 27th, 2007

    “I’ve said for years that Jesus wasn’t being complimentary when he called people sheep…”
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    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! LOL, Rowdy!

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  29. 79 - Enya - Mar 27th, 2007

    Yes, he probably was just making fun of them and nobody noticed ;) and with the sheep… everyone the way he likes! As long as the sheep are happy with it…

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  30. 80 - Lisa - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Booty–”methodists?? Argh! Don’t you lot disapprove of beer? Not sure that would work around here! LOL! ;)” hehe! It’s kinda irrelevant to me…I hate beer. Hard cider’s more my thing. *g* And this Methodist cheerfully lets others do their thing too. :-)

    I see politically, you lot are right up my alley! Guess I’ll have to break down & sign up in the forum. Besides, I like pirates…I’m crocheting Jack Sparrow as we speak.

    Thanx for the welcome, & I might be bringing a friend to the noodly Presence soon!

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  31. 81 - Red DutchPasta Kidd - Mar 27th, 2007

    Rowdy, good thinking! But so true, most of them ARE sheep, and they don’t even care.
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    Lisa, the more the merrier. Anyone willing to talk, discuss, talk nonsense and laugh is welcome here. (especially another wench who likes pirates, this is the place for you!)

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  32. 82 - Pixel Pop - Mar 27th, 2007

    I’m wearing a FSM comstume made out of Caution Tape right now, it’s pretty sweet!
    RAmen

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  33. 83 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Pixely – Kinda weird, but we go for that sort of thing on this site! :)

    @ Wench Beth – glad to provide the laugh!

    @ Lisa – I second RDPK!! Welcome and have fun.

    OK – now I’m off to my martial arts class…first must get rid of several pounds of horse hair and dirt. It’ll be nice to be able to see thru my glasses! ;) I wonder if I got horse hair in my underwear again today?

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  34. 84 - One-Eyed Jimothy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Rowdy Wench
    not gonna ask what ya did to get it in your undies:P

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  35. 85 - Wench Nikkiee - Mar 27th, 2007

    Oh dear O-EJ

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  36. 86 - Wench Nikkiee - Mar 27th, 2007

    @Pixel Pop Mar 27th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
    “I’m wearing a FSM comstume made out of Caution Tape right now, it’s pretty sweet!”
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    Could we have pics please Pixel

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  37. 87 - One-Eyed Jimothy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Wench Nikkie
    what? I’m behaving myself and not going dirty minded with it:P

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  38. 88 - Wench Nikkiee - Mar 27th, 2007

    “not going dirty minded with it”
    Oh no… for FSMs sake O-EJ, I would never think that of you :)
    Well it was just that….erm…asking a Wench how they got something into their undies…well…*coff*

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  39. 89 - One-Eyed Jimothy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Wench Nikkie
    I’m a gentleman too, why I didn’t ask:P

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  40. 90 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ OEJ and Wench Nikkiee – Must admit, wouldn’t have posted it if I didn’t want to stir up trouble, hehehe. OEJ – I have also been getting horse hair in my ears, nose, mouth and socks to name a few more places! ;) It’s the time of year when grooming a horse has one disappearing in a cloud of hair! But, really, I did have some in my underwear. Have no idea how it got there…

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  41. 91 - One-Eyed Jimothy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ RW
    maybe you’ve been hanging around Alchemist too much:P

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  42. 92 - spamtrap - Mar 27th, 2007

    OK, I have added Hungary.

    >People, if you see your country is not among the list, please copy-paste it into a
    > new post and add yours. It would be nice if it turns out that we have (almost) all
    > the world covered by now.
    Argentina
    Australia
    Austria
    Belgium
    Brazil
    Britain
    Canada
    China
    Denmark
    France
    Germany
    Guatemala
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Ireland
    Italy
    Mexico
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Poland
    Russia
    South Africa
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    United Arab Emirates
    USA

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  43. 93 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ OEJ – That is entirely possible! Hee hee…anything can happen on this site! :)

    @ spamtrap – Welcome, and thanks for your addition! RAmen!

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  44. 94 - One-Eyed Jimothy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ RW
    you and Alchemist and your animals……:P

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  45. 95 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ OEJ – wahahahaha! Somewhere around here (I think it was Alchemist that suggested it) is a comment we should sing a rousing round of “Bestiality’s Best”.

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  46. 96 - Wench Nikkiee - Mar 27th, 2007

    “Have no idea how it got there…”
    Yeah right Rowdy…we believe you :p
    Not a little roll in the hay with hubby after a few Whiskies… perhaps….hmmm

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  47. 97 - One-Eyed Jimothy - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ RW
    could be fun!
    @ WN
    I’m thinkin more along the lines of the horse;)

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  48. 98 - Wench Nikkiee - Mar 27th, 2007

    Umm…I meant on the horse blankets…not the hay….ouch!

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  49. 99 - Wench Nikkiee - Mar 27th, 2007

    “I’m thinkin more along the lines of the horse;)”
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    Oh were you now O-EJ. Well I would never have guessed ;)
    Oh dear! :))

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  50. 100 - Rowdy Wench - Mar 27th, 2007

    @ Wench Nikkiee – I’ve never understood the whole “roll in the hay thing”. That stuff is darned uncomfortable! Ouch is right!

    @ OEJ – I like my horse but not *that* much! :)

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