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This is a very interesting discussion on the subject of Intelligent Design by Brown University’s Kenneth Miller. It’s just under two hours long, and if you have the time I highly recommend watching it. There is even a mention of Pastafarianism at around 90 minutes.
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An elaborate spoof on Intelligent Design, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is neither too elaborate nor too spoofy to succeed in nailing the fallacies of ID. It's even wackier than Jonathan Swift's suggestion that the Irish eat their children as a way to keep them from being a burden, and it may offend just as many people, but Henderson, described elsewhere as a 25-year-old "out-of-work physics major," puts satire to the same serious use that Swift did. Oh, yes, it is very funny. -- Scientific American
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Ummmm…two hours long huh…can someone summarise this into a paragraph for me…scroll rule applies…and make it funny…
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He called you lube.
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@Cari
Nice…what’s a lube?…it’s something good right?
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I wish I had the two hours. Can someone loan me a few? I don’t even have enough minutes in the day to properly check this awesome site on which we currently are!
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What’s the time stamp for the mention of FSM? I want to loop that part for prayer and meditation.
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For those of you who are too impatient to wade through two hours just to hear the mention of our Noodly Lord, proceed to the time stamp of about 25 minutes before the end (that would be about 92 minutes in for those of you who can’t do math).
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However, if you can spare the time, watching the entire lecture is entirely worthwhile. You can even just listen to the audio while trying to get other work done (though some images presented are funny and should definitely be seen).
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All in all, this is a very good scientific lecture in which the present and future situation of Religion vs Science is discussed.
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May ye all be touched by His noodly appendage.
RAmen
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@Cari
When he called me a lube did he mention me specifically or was he referring to Pastafarians in general?…what’s a lube?
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Is there anywhere we can purchase said talk? Saw a good part and want more. Well worth the 120min.
RAmen
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Ooh, a friend just pointed me toward this site. Kenneth Miller is my hero. His book Finding Darwin’s God is one of the best things anybody ever put on paper, for my $. Can’t wait till I have time to sit down and watch this. And the FSM is hilarious. I want to knit one.
I can visit & be welcome & pay homage to that cute lil noodly one if I’m not an atheist, right? I’m a Methodist but fundies p*ss me off too. Maybe more so than some of you who aren’t Christian, because the few freaks that get all the press give those of us who have some sense a bad name.
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I have seen this lecture before and this guy is a class act as a lecturer.
RAmen
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Well sounds like a good enough referral for….must find two hours somewhere now :)
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Hai Lisa,
Always nice to meet someone with sense. You are most welcome to ‘visit & be welcome & pay homage to that cute lil noodly one.’
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Very entertaining and funny
The einstein\magic comic-strip was very funny
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I promise that i will watch it and post comments on each and every part of it…when i have the time that is..damn coursework!
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*Prays that the great floating noodles will come down and do the work for her…please 0=)*
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The Paladin,
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Somehow I don’t think my boss will let me watch this for 2 hours! Bugger! I have a 13 hour shift today, and a 12 hour shift tomorrow :(
Do you think I could get religious dispensation by saying my prophet told me to watch it?
Oh, and Hi Lisa – methodists?? Argh! Don’t you lot disapprove of beer? Not sure that would work around here! LOL! ;)
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That was a great lecture! Didn’t plan on watching the whole thing but just got carried away. He summed up the topic pretty well.
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About to go for the plunge for two hours… thought it was just a teensy bit typical of the damn americans to pray before they said anything mildly controversial… in europe we just get on with the science.
Does anyone know what the “online oyun” link is for? Have we been commandeered? It seems to be a completely non-FSM related site about video games. In Turkish.
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Yeah the trackback on the hollywood flock of dodos screening links to some porn catologue site, go figure.
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“…thought it was just a teensy bit typical of the damn americans to pray before they said anything mildly controversial… in europe we just get on with the science.”
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Can you please come over here to the United States, St. Jimmy, and explain this concept to the @#$%! Republicans who run this country? They need the lesson :(
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Booty: You do 13hour shifts??? Wow, how do you manage?
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Beth: every time I see a Democrat make a speech on TV, they always end with “God bless America”.
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@St. Jimmy
Trust me, it irritates us a lot more than you. It feels like the seperation of church and state is just some sort of legal formality which no-one in the government really cares about.
However, if you in Europe see every democratic speech-maker say “God bless America,” how come we in America don’t? Some do, but definitely not all.
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@gnocci man
sorry if i overgeneralised. I haven’t really seen lots of different democrat speech makers. I certainly didn’t write that I’ve seen all of them. I could just be suffering from availibility bias.
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To St. Jimmy… then please come over and slap some freakin’ sense into the Democrats, too! I don’t think they’re all like that, but unfortunately everything you see on the news caters to the Bible-thumpers. Our country needs BIG HELP, that’s for sure.
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The universe is saying ‘Captain buy an iPod Video and watch it on the train to work’.
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How long can I resist its demands…
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Captain, pray to the FSM for guidance. If He in His great wisdom wants you to buy an iPod Video, you will know — and you will do it.
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An interesting tidbit for you all: according to my Bush Countdown Clock, today (March 26) there are exactly 666 days left until The Beast is cast out of office.
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@ CNS TBHNA – Never argue with the universe! Buy, buy, buy! ;)
@ Wench Beth – “Our country needs BIG HELP, that’s for sure.” RAmen to that my Pirate Wench friend! *Rowdy uses very small voice for this admission* I voted for Bush DON’T HATE ME PLEASE! :) But I am soooo disappointed with the whole fiasco. At this point I am neither republican or democrat. Most definitely Pastafarian and hope to vote for The Peter and you in 2008!!
I’m off to take care of the 4-legged Rowdy and will be back to play this evening.
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It’s ok, Rowdy, there are a lot of people who voted for Bush and then gradually realized what a mess he and Cheney were making and continue to make. The entire country was lied to. Bush has committed so many war crimes that it’s unfathomable. And another crime is that the Democratic Party has not gotten itself a backbone and put an end to this raping of the Middle East, the desertion of our own citizens (i.e., Hurricane Katrina), and the fascism that the U.S. is headed straight for.
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So being a Pastafarian is the best choice by far!! :)
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@Alchemist
“We had a poll recently on who comes from where – think DPG started it – any results? I don’t really care about location but it would be interesting.”
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Ok, it’s nationality update time! People, if you see your country is not among the list, please copy-paste it into a new post and add yours. It would be nice if it turns out that we have (almost) all the world covered by now.
Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Brazil
Britain
Canada
China
Denmark
France
Germany
Guatemala
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
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New Zealand
Poland
Russia
South Africa
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United Arab Emirates
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The title of this thread is wrong as ID never stood, thus making it’s collapse impossible.
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DPG, can you please correct the spelling of the last entry? It should be “UPE” (United States of Embarrassment). Thank you ;)
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Oops, now *I* can’t spell… that should have been “USE”, of course :)
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@Wench Beth
Ok, feel free to read it as USE if you like.
Going through the list of countries I just noticed that we have only one Asian entry, China (and maybe the Beast from the East is from the Asian part of Russia?). And that was from someone remembering a possibly one-time post by a Chinese girl. Creationism and it’s scientifically dressup-up puppet ID are of course part of Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam). There are no Buddist/Hindu/Shinto/Sihk/etc ID’ers as far as I know. Would that be the reason behind a general lack of interest from Asia? Or would it just be the language barrier?
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Cheers DPG – I’m limping-well impressed – (coughing too) – got an offer of work today (Samaritans) – woot! Me:)) “Hello, I’m depressed!” “So?”
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@Alchemist
I read about your not-so good news on the disciples list too. Even though some things are some way of from being over, I hope they all will be over for you and that both body and spirit return to being 100% ok.
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@Wench Beth “United States of Embarrassment”
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Poor Wenchie, some European knight will have to rescue from there, until the end of the tunnel comes in sight…
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@DutchPastaGuy Mar 26th, 2007 at 3:49 pm “Or would it just be the language barrier?”
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Yup, don’t underestimate that obstacle… Recently, while tasting some beers with a former student of mine, I told him about CoFSM, and he said he didn’t feel able enough with language (not just English: his job makes him use it frequently) to discuss matters (other than linked to his job)… And he’s an intelligent bloke, no doubt about that. But not comfortable with language…
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hahahaha – thanks! Really – I’m not that worried, just don’t fancy a GA!
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@Alchemist Mar 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pm “hahahaha – thanks! Really – I’m not that worried, just don’t fancy a GA!”
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Well, WHO does? I know ONE person who does, but that one is notorious for his lack of sense of responsability and his ability of running away of reality… not a real reference, I think. With a mighty flock of Pastafarians guiding mentally the whole performance (together in the right direction, of course!), nothing could go wrong. Unless you don’t trust us, of course. Made a lot of enemies here? Please disregard my topical bad taste in tapping people on the back…
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Made a few enemies I think :) Not that I give a shit =))
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@ Wench Beth – “It’s ok, Rowdy, there are a lot of people who voted for Bush and then gradually realized what a mess he and Cheney were making and continue to make.” *Phew* :) I know this is a tolerant group but I’ve been worried about that one…
@ Alchemist – I’m still 70 posts behind on the disciples site, so I’m off to find out what’s going on with you.
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Hi everyone, I added Austria. Actually, my husband is Austrian, not me, but he visits this site occasionally (most of the time, I keep him updated ;)), so I hope that counts.
You guys really saved your country! When I first heard about ID, I thought it was a joke, then I began to think the whole US are going nuts… then I found your site and I immediately was touched! Finally an answer to all questions of faith! RAmen!
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Britain
Canada
China
Denmark
France
Germany
Guatemala
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
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New Zealand
Poland
Russia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
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@ Enya – RAmen! Welcome to the site. Please post more often – it’s really fun! Although quite addicting…
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Yes, that’s soo true! I am reading here way to often (results in a lack of sleep or burnt food) and hardly get the time to post. But I love you guys!
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@ Enya – Aww, thanks! It does take time to post…my husband says this site is for people with no life! Although he likes it really, and likes me being a wench! :)
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I must humbly disagree with Sherlock, Rowdy Wench. I think this is a site for people *WITH* a life, truthfully — but those who are more intelligent than the average bear and who are frustrated with the state of things in the world. I think this is a site for “thinkers” who have their heads in the right place — problem is, a lot of the world is in the WRONG place now and we need a place to find sanity and intelligence (and humor). So that’s why we’re all here, IMHO. What do you think?
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Welcome, Enya — did you name yourself after the singer or is that your real name?
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@ Wench Beth – Sherlock is Booty’s! :) Although he is awfully cute… hee hee! I have certainly learned to speak my mind far more clearly here, and honed my sense of humor too. And probably found a whole new direction for my life – I am seriously considering your suggestion to become a counsellor! I think the time I spend on this site is *very* well spent and my whole life is better for it. I think he’s kidding on good days – and sometimes I think he’s just in a bad mood!
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Aw, shit, sorry, Rowdy — of course I knew that :( My brain is only functioning at half-mast today — apologize to D. for me if he reads that.
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And I will say again (more in person later) that you would be an excellent counselor! You’ve got what it takes (many people don’t) and that’s valuable.
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@ Wench Beth – he’s hard to offend! Really! I told him today I think I’d be a really good counselor, but it’s scary too. More privately…will put that together now.
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@Beth: It is an Irish name which I always loved, but actually the name of my daughter ;) … so I kinda have a life…. I guess…. not my own maybe… but we live with a lot of Pasta, if that counts!!!!
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