Ken Miller’s “The Collapse of Intelligent Design”

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This is a very interesting discussion on the subject of Intelligent Design by Brown University’s Kenneth Miller. It’s just under two hours long, and if you have the time I highly recommend watching it. There is even a mention of Pastafarianism at around 90 minutes.

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  1. 301 Red DutchPasta Kidd Apr 6th, 2007 at 6:18 am

    DPG, don’t forget the fysical AND verbal AND psychological abuse that poor Ships Cat had to endure for a while. It does look like its doing a bit better now….

  2. 302 Enya Apr 6th, 2007 at 6:22 am

    I guess for THAT screwed up cat, I would have to get a blow gun!!

  3. 303 DutchPastaGuy Apr 6th, 2007 at 6:43 am

    @Enya
    “Giraffes??? I mean, I get the sheep, but.. c’mon!! Giraffes! do you really think you are that long… eh… tall?!! :) and don’t overdo it with the animals, I’m good in neutering hehe”
    .
    The giraffes are part of a Pastafarian plot to win the presidential elections in 2008. Peter Popoff will be our candidate. I’m his chief policy maker and fund raiser. Look for the word giraffe in some of the older threads and all will become clear (practical advice on how to search old threads: insert a term like “giraffe site:venganza.org” into google). In short: oil is the last decades strategic resource, from now on nations will go to war for control of herds of giraffes, not oil. The giraffe initiative that Popoff will introduce after his election will radically change the geo-politcal landscape of the world, as well as the fashion industry.
    .
    And apart from the practical implications of it, wabbits, sheep and giraffes have also become an integral part of the Pastafarian spiritual and cultural heritage. Yes, we are a spiritual and intellectual, yet intelligent group of believers.

  4. 304 Enya Apr 6th, 2007 at 7:03 am

    wabbits are rabbits, or am I mistaken? Oh FSM, there is still sooo much to learm about your holy ways!!

  5. 305 DutchPastaGuy Apr 6th, 2007 at 7:28 am

    @Enya
    “wabbits are rabbits, or am I mistaken? ”
    Correct. Think of the Life of Brian and the public address the local Roman ruler gave to the citizens of Jerusalem: “Wome is youw fwiend”

  6. 306 Dread Amish Pirate John Apr 6th, 2007 at 9:48 am

    @DrDPG:
    That’s why I called it an “Energy Storage Media”, not an “Energy Source”. Hydrogen has this problem as well. As to usage, how about an Orion (classic, not ‘new’ version) type space-to-space drive. Nothing wrong with discussing Absurdium drives, is there?

    And, for the pirate space vessel:
    http://inferno.slug.org/jpeg/captain-harlock/greenarcadia.jpg

    and:
    http://www.damianobrigo.it/arcadiatot.jpg

  7. 307 Alchemist Apr 6th, 2007 at 11:40 am

    Hi - Dread Amish Pirate John (do you mind if I abbreviate that?)
    .
    “Nothing wrong with discussing Absurdium drives, is there?”
    .
    Nothing at all wrong with that :) Why do space ships always have to be streamlined though? One of your links’ even had stabilisers - why? Mind you, they do look pretty :)
    .
    As to the antimatter thing; after one of Dan Brown’s shitefests “Angels and Demons” the following was put on the web by CERN;
    http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/Spotlight/SpotlightAandD-en.html
    .
    Like I said - nowt wrong in being daft - I’m usually quite sensible when I post here!
    (You do realise that ‘Dread Amish Pirate John’ abbreviates, quite nicely, to DAmP John)
    Henceforth ye shall be known as DAmP John =))

  8. 308 Alchemist Apr 6th, 2007 at 11:42 am

    Not an insult BTW DAmP John - just thought it was funny - meh :P

  9. 309 Wench Thumper â„¢ Apr 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    @Dr DPG
    “And apart from the practical implications of it, wabbits, sheep and giraffes have also become an integral part of the Pastafarian spiritual and cultural heritage.”…and wock badger…let’s not forget wock badger…

  10. 310 Alchemist Apr 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Bloody hell Wench Thumper - you’re up early for a Saturday - I try not to surface until afternoon :)
    How goes it mon amie?

  11. 311 DutchPastaGuy Apr 6th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    Hi Wench Thumper,
    Of course, wock badgew too. And how do you like general relativity sofar?

  12. 312 Alchemist Apr 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Oh - Wench Thumper (nice bra BTW!) - the only reason I placed you below TLM as “my favourite troll” was TLM got mad with us :) I think he really did bang his little head against the wall in frustration with a few of us. That’s what made him fun =))
    .
    You were a bit different. The only thing you banged was your wikkle tail wagging furiously against your desk in paroxysms (?) of glee :)
    .
    Hell, I know I bit to start with - ’twas fun :) (I loved the bit about what did the priest do to me :) )
    .
    Woot - OZ v Eng tomorrow! wonder how many we’ll lose by :((

  13. 313 Alchemist Apr 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pm

    This site is getting boring! Who’s off to liven it up?
    baccahnaliandelight@yahoo.co.uk
    .
    If anyone can be arsed!

  14. 314 SaucyWench Apr 6th, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    Hey, Alchemist! Hello! What are you proposing? I’ve been out of the loop. (Another damn series of &*(#!-storms passing through my life). I was feeling rather unimpressed by life today when I was informed the Jesus loves me! Go figure! I guess I’ll go skipping off into the sunset now. Boy do I feel better.

  15. 315 Peter Popoff Apr 6th, 2007 at 8:02 pm

    Hi Saucy.
    Hope all is well with you!
    Ramen

  16. 316 Alchemist Apr 6th, 2007 at 8:42 pm

    erm - Saucy - hi pet :) I’m stirring things up on the Cthulla website - sorry folks :) had to do it - you ok?

  17. 317 DAmP John Apr 6th, 2007 at 9:06 pm

    K; new handle, I guess. Can’t be arsed at the moment to find the proper term for an acronym-infused title. :p
    ,
    The ships pictured have aerodynamic features because they are supposedly capable of operating in atmosphere as well as space. I found the fins of less importance, asthetically, than the 30′ bas-relief skull and crossbones on the bow of the ship, or the wood and glass Captain’s Quarters on the stern.
    ,
    Is it wrong to think of Wench Thumper when I see this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjLEITUtTOc
    ,
    Ah, well, time to go to sheep. SLEEP! Time to go to sleep, yeah…*shifty eyes* Anyone seen Alchemist?

  18. 318 Wench Nikkiee Apr 6th, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    @SaucyWench
    Hi Saucy :))
    .
    “I was informed the Jesus loves me!”
    .
    The Pink Unicorn and the Teapot love you more. But His Noodlyness, the FSM loves you the most. ;) As do all of us that know you a little from your posts.
    Come back again to CoFSM again soon.

  19. 319 bill Apr 6th, 2007 at 9:42 pm

    @DutchPastaguy
    You give this formula for mass
    m(v) = m0/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

    A similar formula for time and based on the same special relativity theory is
    t(v)/t0=sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
    of interest to time travel fans.
    Again, as you point out, small velocities mean nothing
    When you get to 86% the speed of light time slows down to 1/2 speed compared to place of origin (simplifying here because velocities are relative to speed of framework).
    The part I am interested in is that going faster than the speed of light doesn’t make you go back in time. (In fact if it did with the usual projection, you would stop aging and just get younger not go back in time), but when the velocity is greater than the speed of light (c), time becomes imaginary. So much for most time travel science fiction based upon einsteins relativity.

  20. 320 Alchemist Apr 7th, 2007 at 2:35 am

    @ DAmP John - hahahahahaha - you’ll do for me :)
    Sorry. had to sleep - damn these sins of the flesh. Oh ok - atmospheric capable ships - ya ok, understood :) - can they go into a gas giant though? The “Beyonders” live in gas giants - mind you, ya don’t want to mess with them!
    They look like radioactive squid crossed with a ferret :) I’ll show you a ‘photo when I can be arsed photoshopping it!

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