Mr Henderson,
Why are you doing this? I stumbled on this sight last nite! What the FUCK! WHY????? You mite want to go to hell but why do you need to take psople with you?????
I hope you are beeing payed well!!
I and my friends think this is dangerus, do you no what you are doing? I pray you you do!!!!!!!
[note from Bobby- I think this one may be fake. What do you guys think?]










@Alchemist
Poor Satan. IF he existed, which he doesn’t, but anyways… do you think he was really prideful, or did he just maybe get fed up with all of God’s smiting activities? I bet Satan was the nice one… wanted all the humans to just be allowed to live and enjoy themselves… which didn’t really fit in with God’s power scheme. So God began the first political campaign in history, and began smearing Satan in the media. Poor Satan didn’t stand a chance… God had a much better publicist. And people, being sheep, elected the wrong guy!! Or possibly there was a miscount down in Florida, who knows. And now we’re stuck with it.
@Alchemist
Oh, do the Christian’s believe that God has a soul? Or what? Is he also a souless wonder?
@Alchemist
“I don’t think angels and demons will have souls because they are immortal beings - I think only mortal beings have souls.”
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That’s kinda how I figured the fairy story was meant to be (or should have been) interpreted too.
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@Batman Mar 22nd, 2007 at 6:54 pm
“do you think he was really prideful, or did he just maybe get fed up with all of God’s smiting activities?”
Just more proof of man creating this God in the first place and endowing it with man’s concepts.
Hahaha - yeah - demand a recount Satan
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I’ve always thought that the Satan in the bible is an allegory for human nature.
Have you ever watched Babylon 5? The Vorlons’ battle with The Shadows. The Vorlons stand for order and the Shadows for chaos. They remained behind when the first ones left in order to help the newer races evolve. In the end their differences threatened to destroy the younger races.
It’s time we did what the younger races in B5 did and told “our” Vorlons and Shadows to piss off - we don’t need them any more.
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PS sorry if that didn’t make much sense - I’m tired and hitting the sack now - well, soon - I’m going to read a bit of Iain Banks first (probably keep me awake - he can get a bit heavy too!)
@Batman Mar 22nd, 2007 at 6:44 pm
“I was trying to stay away from trolling for a few days, because I could feel it starting to dumb me down. My spelling and grammar was actually starting to be affected by it!!”
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I know exactly what you mean!
I’m beginning to think mine will never recover, after 3 months of playing with the YEC/IDiots…and those on the discussion forums are meant to be educated and the cream of the crop!! :))
@Batman Mar 22nd, 2007 at 6:44 pm
“I was trying to stay away from trolling for a few days, because I could feel it starting to dumb me down. My spelling and grammar was actually starting to be affected by it!!”
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I know exactly what you mean!
I’m beginning to think mine will never recover, after 3 months of playing with the YEC/IDiots…and those on the discussion forums are meant to be educated and the cream of the crop!! :))
“They remained behind when the first ones left in order to help the newer races evolve.”
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Sounds a bit like Moorcock
Whoops….what’s going on with the posts…I got two for one back there? *shrug*!
Sounds like a good movie. I have to admit, I am hopeless with watching movies. I have glasses which I refuse to wear (not because of looks, it’s much more spastic and embarrassing than that) so I don’t watch them very often. I usually wait for them to come out on video, by which point I’ve forgotten that I even wanted to see them. Big screens hurt my eyes.
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I actually had an interesting (to me) thought about this kind of thing today. I am reading that book by Gregory Maguire, Wicked. It’s the story of the wicked witch of the west, and how she’s not really evil. So, now when I think back to the movie, the Wizard of Oz, I see the characters in a completely different light.
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So, maybe that’s what happened with the bible. If you are not a dummy, and you take it as a work of fiction (kinda like Aesop’s fables) then it’s not a bad story. God, of course, is the “good guy”. But, having read so many other takes on it, both fictional and not, it is hard for me to see the bible as it really is. Anne Rice, John Milton, and many other authors… it all gets mixed up in my mind until I honestly can’t understand how people can read the bible and still think of God as a good guy.
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Does this post even make sense? I am trying to type, and read, and cook dinner, and play fetch with my kitty… so I might be dropping a few points on the coherancy scale.
“So, now when I think back to the movie, the Wizard of Oz, I see the characters in a completely different light.”
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There was an Australian made version of the Wizard of Oz which had the same effect on me :))
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I think one of the problems with the Bible, even from an allegorical perspective is the number of edits and authors. All of whom tried meld their own takes, no doubt based on the current social climate of their time, on the story into some coherency. .
“so I might be dropping a few points on the coherency scale.”
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I thought your post was coherent Batman
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I need to do some work here now myself….why does life have to get in the way of fun all the time? It’s not fair!
Catch you later
@Wench Nikkiee
Yeah, sometimes life sucks that way. =( I hate it when I get up in the mornings and have to drag my ass into work, when I know I could get lots of stuff done at home. Things that have actual meaning to me… like writing and reading and my volunteer work. How odd to feel like work is getting in the way of my real life.
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Do you ever think how amazing it is though? Yeah, the edits and different authors are no doubt a leading cause of the bible’s ridiculousness. But I am always fascinated by the stories that aren’t told. I’m like that with almost any story I hear. I was terrible, when my mom would read me bed time stories as a child, I always wanted to know what was going on with the secondary characters. In Little Red Riding Hood, I wanted to know where the woodsman lived, and how he got to work each day, and did he have kids, and what if the wolf ate the kids, and if they had electricity…. Poor mom. She had to make up random stories for every story she told me.
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No wonder I get so tied up in knots a lot of the time. I’m not very good at linear thinking… my train of thought is constantly derailed by the insignificant details.
@Everyone,
@Alchemist
People who treat satan as an allegory do not believe in Noah’s ark. Those that treat satan that way treat the bible as a methphor. Which means you got to intrepret it whatever way you want.
So if Satan doesn’t have a soul, then neither does god. Interesting.
@Batman
Does god have a soul? Would you want to be ruled by a soulless being? What a question!!!
@Wench Nikkiee
You know about playing ‘wizard of oz’ to the tune of ‘dark side of the moon’? It’s supposed to make sense. I’m going to do it this weekend. I’ve delayed this 10 or 20 years since someone said it works.
Zardoz explains the whole thing. It’s all a joke. Have fun with it.
@Bill
I would have thought that the wizard of Oz would require a more upbeat sound track???…
@Batman
“In Little Red Riding Hood, I wanted to know where the woodsman lived, and how he got to work each day, and did he have kids, and what if the wolf ate the kids, and if they had electricity”…Did you ever read Bambi?…anything you wanna know I’m all ears…
If I remember correctly the soundtrack for the Aussie “Wizard of OZ” was quite good. I think I remember Ross Wilson (Mondo Rock) was involved?
Do you know Thumper? I remember that the three main OZ characters picked Dorothy (not sure if that was her name in this one) in their ute, when she was hitch hiking along an outback dirt road.
@Wenchy
I missed that particular example of classic Australian cinema…I’m off to get beer and wine…think I’ll try and get the lingerie model pissed…I like Alice in Wonderland better…follow the white wabbit…how could you go wrong with advice like that???
@Bill
“You know about playing ‘wizard of oz’ to the tune of ‘dark side of the moon’? It’s supposed to make sense. I’m going to do it this weekend. I’ve delayed this 10 or 20 years since someone said it works.”
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It works pretty well, too well to be a coincidence. The song changes follow scene changes pretty closely. In the song before money there is a woman singing with no words. Its like a long freestyle scream. In the movie this corresponds to the time when Dorothy’s house is spinning in the tornado, and I think that the screaming woman represents Dorothy. This song ends and “Money” starts just as Dorothy opens the door and it turns to color. Money is symbolic because “Follow the yellow brick road” was originally writen as a statement about us going off the gold standard. During “Us and Them” during the line “Black and blue”, the Black falls exatly when the screen swithches to the wicked witch. Just after in the line “and who knows which is which” the fist “which” falls when the screen is on the wicked witch, and the second “which” when the screen swithches to Glenda the good witch. During the song “Brain Damage ” (the scarecrow needs a brain) the line “The lunatic is on the grass” falls when the scarecrow is dancing on the grass next to the yellow brick road.
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Its just sad that the album ends halfway into the movie.
Kneels and raises hands in the air in honour of Pink Floyd. Automatically my favourite band whenever asked. Has been the same way since I first heard them :)
Think both the “Pulse” and “Delicate Sounds of Thunder” concert productions are both excellent :))
RAmen
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Yeah the video of Pulse is absolutely amazing. I spent more than a few drug fueled dorm nights watching that one!
The Trial is brilliant to, but you have to listen to all of The Wall for it to make proper sense