“Moreover, Atheists fail to consider such abundance of evidence such as stigmata”

No, we don’t!
Here is our recommendation how to get stigmatized:

1. Take a Ferrero Mon Cheri praline (European style, with liquor and a cherry inside).
2. Make a fist and let it melt.
3. Show your hands to the public from some distance.
4. Cover your hands in bondages from that day on.

(Suggested by the German satire magazine Titanic.)

>Moreover, Atheists fail to consider such abundance of evidence such as stigmata

If you’re so sure in yourselves that god is real and that you will go to heaven why do you feel the urge to get on this site and abuse us? If you were really so sure you would stop pushing your values on us when you know it will only aggravate us do you think you can make us all suddenly change our minds?

Furthermore i’d like to add that stigmata is caused by humans not god their is no evidence that stigmata is caused by god there has been no confirmed case of stigmata since 1938 or w/e i forget and even that doesn’t count because it has not been under the scope of reasonable scientific scrutiny

1.) Eye witness are not reliable evidence.
2.) Scientists carefully record their data and findings in such a fashion that other scientists can recreate the experiment and physically recreate the observations.

there is no proof at all for the ID theory, DNA is similar, so?
the real scientific explanation is that we all come from the same thing, not god, but one-celled creatures which form colonies, god is not responsible for our existence, it’s coincidence and DNA,

and the FSM ofcourse

RAmen

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(Sorry, I was raised Catholic. I’m too used to really streching those replies out, into more of a chant really)

I believe there have been some serious misunderstandings here. First off, let me say that telling people to get fucked does not make them particularly inclined to take you seriously. It does not speak particularly well of your confidence in your own position if you feel the need to resort to profaning others.

I looked up the link you provided in your post and read it thoroughly, very interested and hopeful to see evidence for Intelligent Design. I’d never heard any convincing ID evidence before now, so I was eager to see if I could finally find some and learn enough about ID’s position to form an opinion on its validity.

Unfortunately, I was disappointed. I personally think that you, your Mr. Dembski, and in fact a large part of the American public, have suffered a complete misunderstanding of the nature of science. Science is, quite simply, the practice of not jumping to conclusions. For example, take this “Message Theory”, which I have never heard of until now and, truthfully, find rather distressing. The premise, as I understand it, is that the similarity of the structure of all organisms is a sort of “message” indicating that they all have the same superhuman designer. Won’t you agree that this is jumping to a rather large conclusion? If we study life and find that most of it is quite similar, it’s quite a huge step to go from “Animals are made from the same molecules” to “There must be a superhuman being who designed all of this and made all the animals from the same molecules so that, once we matured enough to develop science, we would be able to figure out the existence of the superhuman being”.

Now, don’t get me wrong, Intelligent Design is far from impossible. Personally, I’m quite fond of it. But scientifically — that’s the key, scientifically — it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. If, tomorrow, it was announced that scientists had discovered conclusive evidence venerating Intelligent Design, I would be among the first to cheer and convert. It is quite possible that this will happen someday. However, science — true science — can be conducted only when the scientist has a mind free from any bias. You can’t find out what’s really going on if you interpret everything you see in the framework of an already-existing belief.

You can believe whatever you want. You can worship who- or whatever you want. I don’t care. You can cry Intelligent Design in the streets, you can live your life by it, you can write pamphlets on it or do whatever your heart desires to do. It’s really none of my business. But it is, above all other things, a belief. And you cannot pass it off as science. You have a wonderful belief; call it a belief. Call it a religion. Don’t call it science, because it’s not. Saying “if we found some life that didn’t follow life’s basic rules, then the message would be false” is not presenting a testable theory. The fact that all life is carbon-based does not a mystical message from the realm of spirituality make.

I would love to discuss this with you. I don’t want to attack you. I just wish to explain to you that you have misinterpreted some things, and I want to understand why you believe something that appears to me to be based on faulty logic.

Yours,
A Voice of Reason

P.S. Just so you know, dear Monsieur or Madame Wolf, the FSM is not supposed to be a real religion. It’s a joke. It seems to me that getting so upset at a little poking-fun is not the hallmark of a reasonable, confident position. I think that it’s much more becoming to stay calm and keep one’s sense of humor, don’t you?

RAmen

More of that wonderful Christian love.