Yeah, I know it’s satire. I’m an atheist, and I hate stupid, narrow-minded fundies as much as anyone. But honestly, this joke has run its course. People’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Pastafarianism, though I know you don’t really believe it. Not as many as by organized religion, but organized religion can’t really be stopped except by massive revolution, whereas Pastafarianism can be. It was funny for a while, but you don’t seem to realize (actually, some of you probably do) that no one cares anymore, that all the hate mail is faked. Stop laughing at the rest of the world, and realize that you’re not better than the people who post your hatemail; it’s a /joke/. And your religion has lost its humor. So shut up when talking to people you think are stupid. That was the /real /meaning of the “atheists are so arrogant” post. He was pointing out that /you/ were so arrogant in believing that there were really that many stupid people in the world. Some of you, I am now sure, know that all this hatemail is faked. Tell the others, and get everyone to stop acting such a fool.
RAmen,
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FSM won’t rip people’s lives apart, it’s not like people even have to do anything to be Pastafarian, there’s no curch on Sunday you have to go to, there’s no holdays which u have to practice, and u don’t have to donate huge sums of money. This is as much a religion as any other and even less strict. Also, this “joke” has not run it’s course, there are still millions of people who come here, people like the FSM idea, and it isn’t really even only a joke anymore. Not all the hatemail is actually fake, there r aot of pissed off people who r religious fantics. People do care, it might not be as obvious anymore, but there are still people who do FSM related stuff and talk about FSM. FSMism isn’t atheist, and personally i don’t think that people beliveing other things aren’t always stupid. People posting hatemail have the right to believe whatever they want and they can say it. So, y don’t you leave us alone, we can believe and say what we want, we’re not hurting anyone. Anyway RAmen and sorry for all the spelling/grammar errors, i hope u get the point anyway.
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I see what you mean, but can’t this just become a fun website at least?! Plus pastafarianism still has a long way to go and plenty of people to irritate in other countries than the US. The rest of the world needs to be educated about how stupid Kansas can be.
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Who says we’re trying to stop organized religion? Just trying to keep religion out of science class is ambitious enough. Besides, I’d never recommend tearing down a belief system simply because it’s not my belief system.
And what is this arrogance thing? We pastafarians are entertaining each other. If it bothers you, go away!
And if this web site tears me apart, it was worth it. Beer volcanoes (Lake Superior Oatmeal Stout, please) await.
RAmen
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@bbctol Pastafarianism can be stopped.
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Cool; go on then.
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Is there a time frame involved, today would be mega, this week impressive, before March I’d say well done, before the US has a female president (go on Hillary you know you want it)……
the longer you take stopping it the more you may have to eat your words.
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I’ll just go on eating the pasta, peacefully of course, no ripping of lives.
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FSM has, without me fully realizing it, distanced me incredibly from my family, who I thought would be fine with me being an atheist. And no, Pastafarianism isn’t really a religion. You know that. It’s a way of protesting strict religions. Of course people still like the FSM idea, and people do come here, just not new people. Pastafarianism has become just a way for atheists and agnostics to meet and talk about how much fundies piss them off. Of course people believing other things aren’t stupid, often faith can broaden our minds. The people who are stupid are the thick-skulled fundies for whom religion closes their mind, and they won’t accept anything into their minds that does not correlate with what they were first taught. Luckily, there aren’t that many of those people. And yes, people posting hatemail can say what they want, I’m just telling you to not be so smug when denouncing obvious fakes. I’m pretty sure you’re aware that almost all the most recent hatemails are fake. I’m telling you to not be so smug in the way you denounce people who clearly just want to get a reaction. They’ll just continue.
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I never said you’re trying to stop organized religion; I used that as an example of why Pastafarianism should be changed. I have nothing at all against organized religion. And of course you don’t actively rip lives apart; plenty of lives have been ripped apart by Christianity, but how many Christians spend their time actively destroting people’s lives?
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@ bbctol distanced me from my family
That is very sad, if you scream your atheism or wear outwardly like, oh a cross around your neck, you will alienate people just as much as Jehovas Witnesess do when they try to force feed their philosophy over your door step.
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In my family I am in the minority, of two. We do not think our relatives are stupid, we do not try to convert them or feel the need to “come out of the closet”.
They are fully entitled to their beliefs, most of them know mine and we have enough respect for each other’s freedom to choose that we leave it at that.
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It is a tough stretch to see what in what area faith broadens the mind?
But this site allows the individual to engage in the sort of debate that would not necesarily be a good idea across the dinner table. Broadening the mind perhaps?
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And often the hatemail is fun and responding to it a bit of a laugh.
So who gets hurt, apart from the odd keyboard?
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@bbctol
but how many Christians spend their time actively destroting people’s lives?
Two words. Jerry Falwell. Tells people to hate their own gay children or parents. That’s pretty active.
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Oh, but it is a religion ;-) . Look, stupidity has to have opposition, and the FSM is a conccept to show stupidity a form of mirror.
They can’t disprove FSM, we cna’t disprove GOD (which ever version)
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@ bbctol christians changing lives
You mean like collecting for those poor little chlidren in Africa, the money then going on:
Schools, NO
Hospitals, NO
Missionaries, naturally as they need to be converted to our religion, their own culture (which is probably older and no less illogical) has no value.
We then discourage contraception, where has that taken Africa. And intruduce a new element to tribal war, sectarianism.
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I know the Christians filling the collection plate are well meaning and kind, the end result is still misery.
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As the Eagles put it so succinctly on Hotel California, The Last Resort:
just like the missionaries did, so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign Jesus is coming
brought the white mans burden down
brought the white mans reign
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Jerry Falwell falls under the “stupid fundies” category. How many ordinary, non-fundamentalist Christians spend their time actively destroying relationships? None. But it still happens, just as with FSM.
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Oooh, think I sit here for a little while.
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@bbctol – you do realise that Soldier of God, author of the Arrogant Atheist email, is a Pastafarian. He was faking it! Don’t tell me you fell for a fake e-mail?
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Mercy me!
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@bbctol
Erm, maybe I’m just being thick headed here, but how does FSM actively destroy relationships? I come from a family of religious folks, which I know can cause tension and distance when one decides to think for oneself rather than following the rest of the herd. I don’t think it is FSM that has distanced you from your family, I think it is your own personal un-belief system. My family has accused me of reading hate literature when Dawkin’s The God Delusion was left out in plain sight. This FSM site is more about people who don’t want to subscribe to the traditional religions coming here and discussing their ideas. It is also a site where like-minded people can find support for their activist activities and find common ground. It is your family that has the problem, not yourself, and whether you had ever found this site or not, you would still be in the position you are in. I can’t discuss my “beliefs” with my family, so I come here, where everyone has a voice and people are encouraging and very smart. I think you should take things for what they are, rather than blaming your problems on others.
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Mercy, Halleluja, praise the Lord
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Oops came over all Southern Baptist for a moment there.
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What do you mean which one? Buddha of course, for I am one with the Four Nobel Truths.
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1. Life is suffering (cheerful)
2. All suffering is caused by ignorance (RAmen to that)
3. Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance. (all praise the webmaster)
4. Pasta is a damn tasty dish and good for you too.
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Ok that last one’s not right but it is much less pretentious
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@ Batman re The God Delusion
I just got distant cries of, “he’s reading that damned book again.
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Although they did enjoy some of the more amusing tales.
And surprise surprise any tale that showed someone elses religion in a poor ligth was seen as wholly acceptable.
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Oh to be self righteous
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@bbctol – you do realise that Soldier of God, author of the Arrogant Atheist email, is a Pastafarian. He was faking it! Don’t tell me you fell for a fake e-mail?
Oh yes, the dreaded conspiracy which involves sending hatemail to fsm in order to execute the devious scheme….errr…
what is the point of the evil scheme?
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@BBCTOL
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Please explain “ripped apart by Pastafarianism.”
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“plenty of lives have been ripped apart by Christianity, but how many Christians spend their time actively destroting people’s lives?”
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98%, whether they know it or not. And I’m still not sure how we are “actively destroting people’s lives.” Really, please explain.
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By the way, my entire family is LDS (mormon). The second I stopped going to church, they changed our relationship, not I. They stopped treating me like one of the family. When there is a family get together, they treat me like I worship the devil himself. Now these people claim to be the most loving, forgiving, kind, and humble of religions. Really?
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But I suppose you are right, I am the one who ruined our relationship. I am the one who doesn’t believe in their religion, and stopped participating. Therefore, I (being pastafarian and all) have fucked yet another life(s) up. You win, good game.
-Veritas
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@Privateer
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot more evidence of that kind of self-righteous attitude in my own family than I even want to admit. =S We had a big family dinner on the weekend (they’re all good little christians, so there are a lot of us) and I am sad to say that I honestly dislike many of my family members. That’s not because of FSM, it is because of their hypocritical, assinine behavior.
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Sorry, today is an absolute shit day, so I might come across as grumpier than I really am. I’m up in Calgary, and I am third generation… for those who don’t know this, Calgary doesn’t quite qualify for bible belt status (that’s out in Saskatchewan, I believe) but it is certainly the redneck capital of Canada. Just check out our Calgary Stampede and the Head Smashed in Buffalo Jump and other charming cowboy museums. While my family has no problem telling me that I am destined for a fiery eternity of hell, they have no problem making jokes against other religions, and their idea of REALLY funny humor is anything mocking people of different races, sexism, and any bigoted remark is greeted with uproarious laughter.
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I hope you don’t all hate me, knowing where I come from now. I swear I am not like these people… and while I am getting more distanced from them everyday, I don’t think it has anything to do with FSM. I think it is more to do with my distaste for intolerance and ignorance.
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@bbctol “Some of you, I am now sure, know that all this hatemail is faked.”
Yours too then… that’ll keep us going! And IF it’s real… then you’ve no idea of the amount of things you can learn on venganza’s pages (check the Forum!). Ripping apart relationships… makes me wonder about those relationships.
RAmen to you Pirates
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@Batman,
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Agreed.
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Wanna be friends?
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@Batman “I hope you don’t all hate me, knowing where I come from now.”
Seems as if you didn’t look around on venganza’s pages (included the Forum, I keep repeating that to everyone!) enough yet to realize there’s a lot of people having a fundie or other extremist background. Lot’s of them!
RAmen to you Pirates!
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@daqq – “…what is the point of the evil scheme?”
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*whisper* shhh – we’re going to take over the world and destroy peoples relationships.
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Once rid of the objective, loving and forgiving religious people -we will rule with arrogance, hatred and beer.
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We will subjugate the masses and enforce our rules upon the entire face (and arse) of the planet.
Those who fail to fall into line will be burned at the stake, beheaded, crucified and released into the community with a good behaviour bond around their necks.
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So mote it be!
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@Alchemist Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:13 pm “We will subjugate the masses and enforce our rules upon the entire face (and arse) of the planet. Those who fail to fall into line will be burned at the stake, beheaded, crucified and released into the community with a good behaviour bond around their necks. So mote it be!”
What dreadful chemical compound are you sniffing now?
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When I mentioned Pastafarianism to my parents, purely in passing, they completely panicked. And please don’t say that that’s all because of religion. FSM fuels the controversy, and just causes equal hatred on both sides. This is not working towards peace.
And yes, of course I know that “solider of god” is one of numerous fakes, considering I said it in the mail.
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@BBCTOL
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So you are admitting it is your parents that are not understanding, and not the FSM that is ruining relationships. I’m glad you came to this realization.
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-Veritas
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I also haven’t said that FSMers actively destroyed relationships. I specifically said they didn’t. I used Christianity as an example, because many people here point out that Christianity has done more to wreck people than FSM. I pointed out that very few Christians actively mean to wreck people, and yet it still happens anyway. FSMers don’t either, and yet belive it or not, as you distance yourselves from religion, the hatred grows deeper.
You also have no need to “educate the world about how stupid Kansas can be”. The world either already knows or won’t listen, including people in other countries. That’s what I mean when I say the joke is over. People have either already heard your message or never will.
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@bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:20 pm “FSM fuels the controversy, and just causes equal hatred on both sides. This is not working towards peace.”
Peace (and absence of controversy) being following meekly our beloved and inspired religious and political leaders, without thinking? Because that’s what all this is about: THINKING! And humour too. It’s the combination of wit and serious debate that puts off fundies, and other people too. LOOK AROUND!
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@Veritas
Um, actually, read the second, third, and fourth sentences. My parents are not fundamentalist, or even very religious at all, in any sense of the word.
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@Veritas
Friends are always good to have! Don’t know what time it is where you are, but I will crack a beer and make a personal toast to new friends… =)
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@Jean Bart
I know lots of the people here have the same family background (or close to it). It’s just hard for me to talk about it sometimes, I guess, because I am embarrassed by them. Isn’t that a terrible thing to say? I don’t know, I am lucky in that the majority of people I am friends with and talk to on a daily basis are people like myself, and while I try to love my family I am always worried about how my friends/boyfriends would react were they to meet them.
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Thanks for the acceptance though! =)
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I’m not saying you should blindly follow people who are obviously misguided, I’m saying you shouldn’t blindly insult people. Stimulating thinking is fine, and completely possible without calling people idiots.
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When did I say peace and lack of controversy involved following religion? You certainly don’t need everyone to follow religion to get rid of the hatred between atheists and the religious. Stop putting words in my mouth, which you seem to do a lot.
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@# bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:25 pm “People have either already heard your message or never will.”
In other words: venganza.org is extremely effective (who else is able to reach 6 billion of people in less than two years?) or totally ignored. Nope, there’s work to do, lots of. LOOK AROUND!
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What I mean is, by now the world is divided into people who have already heard your message and people who never will.
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@bbctol
Well, I don’t know what to say to you, except that I am sorry you are feeling alienated from the people in your life due to you beliefs. I would think your time would be better spent seeking out people who share your beliefs or who are open-minded enough to accept them rather than judging you.
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Come to think of, why not post here as someone who is interested in having a rational discussion about this with the people on this site, rather than telling us all we need to get a life? I have a life, and it makes me relatively happy, more so now that I know there are people out there who are interested in the same issues I am.
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AND, lastly, I have read through all your posts, and I have to say, you claim atheism but you argue like a religious fundamentalist. You contradicting yourself pretty consistantly, everytime it looks like one of the Pastafarians has made a point. If you really believe what you are saying, why don’t you just stick with that one opinion and argue it until you are blue in the face? Maybe make a graph or something to back up your position… rather than changing said position every other posting?
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@bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:30 pm “When did I say peace and lack of controversy involved following religion? You certainly don’t need everyone to follow religion to get rid of the hatred between atheists and the religious. Stop putting words in my mouth, which you seem to do a lot.”
We call that “reading between the lines” Extremely useful when reading sentences written in the style you use here.
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@bbctol u r Boring…
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@Batman
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It is only 12:56 PM here. I am still at work (obviously working…hard). I shall crack one open when tonight, in celebration.
@bbctol
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I never once said they were even religious. I am saying it is their complete lack of understanding, and open mindedness that is their downfall. I’m really sorry that your relationship is been altered in anyway (for the worse). I have been trying my damnedest to heal my relationship with my own family. And once again, it is they, who are being completely stubborn and ignorant (now I know this is because of their religion. But this isn’t always the case). I do not see how it is this site, religion, or the FSM is to blame.
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Lets say there is someone that is gay. This person comes out to their parents, and is completely rejected and outcast from the family. Is there a gay site to blame? Or should he just hate “gay” all together.
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I really don’t want to sound like an asshole. And I assure you, I am not trying to be one. I honestly would like to understand.
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@Batman
I never said you needed to get a life (don’t put words in my mouth as a way of insulting me) and I don’t plan to. I don’t argue one consistent point, because I didn’t really come here to argue a specific point, just inform you of various things about your mock religion which are obnoxious or harmful. And yes, I am an atheist, (way to go ‘commie-scare’ over there, ‘I don’t agree with him so he must be a fundie’) or at least an agnostic.
@Jean Bart
You’re reading wrong. Religion has more flaws than FSM, but this is an FSM comment board. (way to insult my sentence structure too! keep up the good work! watch as you insult the sarcastic tone I’m using right now next!)
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@Biscuit
Okay, then don’t listen. That was easy.
@Veritas
FSM is to blame for increasing the divide between agnosticism and religiousness (assuming that’s a word). By seperating things very strongly into us and them categories, both sides become enraged with each other.
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@bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pm “FSM is to blame for increasing the divide between agnosticism and religiousness (assuming that’s a word). By seperating things very strongly into us and them categories, both sides become enraged with each other.”
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No such separating here, except during some “fundie battles”, which most of the time are fake, and mostly an exercise in sharpening our wit. CHECK THE FORUM!
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I don’t come to this site to put people down. At first I came here because I found it quite hilarious. I soon saw posts, and people with the same opinion as I (I don’t know if you know anything about the wonderful state of Utah. It is roughly 80% LDS. They all share the same belief, well…its mostly the same. And I find myself feeling like I am the only one of my kind). So I feel like I have found a place full of people that I can relate to. And although I don’t post too often, I view all of these people as friends. It may be that I am not the “typical” person, but to me everyone is “loved before proven guilty.” By guilty I don’t mean religious (I couldn’t care less), I mean if they are a good person. Some of my best friends are super religious, and you know…we still love each other.
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@bbctol
OK, I think “misheard” the tone of what I was trying to say. It does seem like you are trying to make a point though, otherwise you wouldn’t be bothering to post here. I just don’t understand what the point is, though. Please clarify… (I’m not being sarcastic)… what is it that you are hoping to hear from us? If I knew that, then maybe I could begin to understand your anger…
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As for both sides becoming enraged with each other, I am not enraged and I don’t think anyone else here is either… you’re the one who is being defensive and illogical, and I think this thread is starting to get bogged down in with it. We can’t respond to your position when it changes with each posting… please (again, I am not being sarcastic) try again, post your position in a logical way so I know exactly what it is you are getting at here… FSM started as a joke perhaps, but I look at it as a forum for discussion and a way to share ideas and raise awareness about other issues (see Alchemist’s posts regarding the V4E)
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@Veritas
ha ha ha ha… it is only 1:15 here, but I’m not at work. =) Sorry… nobody likes gloaters, I know. I was feeling like shite this morning, so I decided to take a sick day… or rather, a “mental health” day.
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@Jean Bart. Sorry, my humour can be a bit strange :). I was being sarcastic. Meant that all the stuff people about us should be compared to those actions taken by other religions!
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@TLM sorry bbctol. Where in your post does it say you knew SOG was a fake?
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.”…..way to insult my sentence structure too! keep up the good work! watch as you insult the sarcastic tone I’m using right now next!) ”
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Hellooooo – anyone remember TLM?
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@Batman “FSM started as a joke perhaps, but I look at it as a forum for discussion and a way to share ideas and raise awareness about other issues (see Alchemist’s posts regarding the V4E)”
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I couldn’t formulate better. Tried, though…
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@Alchemist Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pm “@Jean Bart. Sorry, my humour can be a bit strange :). I was being sarcastic. Meant that all the stuff people about us should be compared to those actions taken by other religions!”
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â€Hellooooo – anyone remember TLM?”
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I don’t, I’m only a Pastafarian since the 5th of january. Maybe I shouldn’t have bothered answering then?
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@Alchemist
What/Who is TLM?
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@Jean Bart
Thanks! Is it just me, or does anyone else here feel badly for the bbctol? The guy/girl seems to be having a tough time of things, and apparently it is in some way our fault. Just wish I knew why, though… Poor lil’ dude. (Really, that was sypathy, not sarcasm)
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@Alchemist
“Hellooooo – anyone remember TLM?”
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I do recall coming across a photo of the TLM at some past time.
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To bbctol… I think you made a typo in your original post. You stated that “people’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Pastafarianism…” but what I think you meant to say was that “people’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Christianity and all the OTHER organized religions.”
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Pastafarianism, as a matter of fact, brings people’s lives together. Never mind the jokes and the fake posts — we have fun here, duh. And eventually our lives will ALL be together at the Beer Volcano and the Stripper Factory (unless I can organize an FSM convention before that).
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I forgive you for your unintentional typo.
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Fine. Here’s a question that I truly do want the answer to: Is Pastafarianism trying to get the word out and stop fundamentalism by publicity and whatever etc. or is it merely a site and religiou-type-thing that allows agnostics to meet and find things in common?
Because if it’s the first, you’re going about it in a way that goes against your own aims, and if it’s the second, you don’t need to do (commendable, admittedly) publicity stunts and letters to educational boards.
What I’m trying to do is get you to improve the way you deal with fundamentalists, creationists, IDers etc. because you must have clear dialog for change, and you really shouldn’t take (what at least appears to be) such an anti-religious stance. (another reason my parents are pissed off).
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Sorry folks. TLM – The Laughing Man – was a regular guest on this site late last year. He would insist on us admitting that this was a joke, he claimed to be an atheist. Probably was/is too. He continually trolled these threads and, if I’m honest, provided me with hours of fun. He didn’t do so for a lot of the posters though. He was arrogant, conceited and damned annoying (but still fun :)).
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I’ll look for some of his posts. This fellow sounds very similar esp – the “way to insult….” one.
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Jean Bart – my “…We will subjugate the masses and enforce our rules upon the entire face ”
was meant as a satire of organised religion!
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@bbctol
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I am still not seeing how FSM is to blame.
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I’m not enraged with them, and I don’t see us being separated. I see it as the people that hate others because of the others belief, are to blame. Not once when I was was religious did I hate the other side. I’m not sure if there are religions that teach its followers to hate others for this, but I know mine did not. Quite the opposite. To quote a song, “Love one another like Jesus loves me.” I also (although I don’t fully know everything) don’t think FSM teaches this.
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This is all my opinion (and believe in it fully). I cannot speak for everyone, and I don’t know (as I can’t) how everyone thinks.
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And here it comes, I hope I am not flamed. I am not atheist, I am agnostic. In my eyes, one cannot know anything for sure. Like when I hear someone say “I know Jesus died for us,” or anything else of that kind (including I KNOW there is no God), I always think of this.
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@wench beth
Because the Pastafarian system works perfectly, and Christianity works terribly.
That was too sarcastic. (as was your post) My point is, this is an example of Pastafarianism’s refusal to acknowledge that it can and does cause splits between the religious and the agnostic, while simultaneously saying that the Church and all other organized religions (all…?) rip people’s lives apart. While naturally, they do, this is a comment board for Pastafarianism. Accept that Pastafarianism can be a bad influence in some people’s lives, and don’t lash out so viciously at religion.
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Well, for FSM’s sake, convert your parents! If this is the source of your distress, buy them a copy of the Gospel and start serving them pasta each night! (That’s a start.)
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bbctol, I don’t understand how the CoFSM has distanced you from your family.
I don’t know of any way in which the blind faith of religion broadens peoples minds. Please explain the points if you can. I don’t want to pry in your personal life but I am interested in the general principles.
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You’d be surprised by how many stupid fundies there are and must surely be aware of the extraordinary danger fundamentalist religion poses to the livelihood of all peoples.
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Don’t make the mistake of thinking these people are harmless nutcases. They are dangerous nutcases and if a bit satire can innoculate a few people against them – that’s a good thing.
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Read the quote from a Christian Youth Worker in this story:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6370991.stm
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That person needs a dose of objectivity. Surely if they could look at themselves objectively for one second they could never go back, is it not possible that very occasionally a Xian might ask themselves ‘hmm. so what is the difference between the FSM and my beliefs…..Oh Wayoo! Oh I see! Doh!’.
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[Though you won't find much satire on this site because it is all based on very hard science. So hard I don't understand some of it - but there's a graph and stuff and if Bobby says we should dress up a pirates - I'm in. Arrr!]
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You’re right that some of the hate-mail appears to be faked.
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I like the chit chat so what the hell.
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RAmen.
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Ok, I want everyone to speak out, NOW. Who believes that being a Pastafarian has been a bad influence in his/her life?
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And, while we’re at it, what color stockings should Booty get for her new wench wear?
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I’ve read the Laughing Man’s posts, and no, I am not him. And Veritas, religions don’t tell their followers to hate others, and generally, they don’t. Hate isn’t the same thing as ignorance, indifference, or intolerance. And as for the difference between atheism and agnosticism… everyone’s got to accept that there are some things science can’t explain. Personally, I think that’s because science isn’t advanced enough yet, but you never know.
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“… get everyone to stop acting such a fool…”
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He who calls others a fool has labeled himself permanently as one.
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Oh, and by the way, all you fine pirates, “bbctol” is not who he seems to be… ;) Very clever. I won’t give your identity away, don’t worry.
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And “bbctol” has impeccable spelling and grammar, too… ah, what a breath of fresh air. Sigh… :) Can you clone yourself?
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@bbctol
“….and you really shouldn’t take (what at least appears to be) such an anti-religious stance. (another reason my parents are pissed off).”
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Sorry, people take their own stance here. The site it’s self is not anti-religious. Some members of the community are. Some are atheists, some agnostic, some theists too. They are all free to express their opinions here.
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If people have different opinions then, as long as they don’t seek to ram it down our necks, so be it.
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As Jean Bart said – this site is far more than it seems. It is a meeting place for people who want to stop the cancer of fundamentalist religion. If you don’t like the way we do it then fine. Go and play with the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
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In closing: There are a lot of very fine people on this site. People who are prepared to stand up and be counted.
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What have you done?
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@bbctol
K, that is a fair question, I guess. (Except for where you blame this site for your parental unit’s bad attitude… I suspect that is more the fault of their misunderstanding, and you need to realize that you are entitled to your beliefs. If your parents don’t like it, that is your issue, not ours, and you need to handle it in whatever way is best for you.)
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I’ll try to answer the real question, but I don’t speak for the people on this site, only for myself, so if anyone disagrees with me please say so.
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For me, I am an atheist, so I don’t truly believe in THE FSM. I DO, however, believe in the purpose and ideals behind FSMism. I think that Pastafarians are trying to get the word out there, but the majority of us know our audiences… we are not picketing churches or denouncing others’ rights to freedom of expression/belief. Most of us are mainly concerned with keeping religious belief and the theory of intelligent design where they belong… in the church, and in theology (not science) classes.
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So, I don’t see how it is anti-religious for people to be posting about issues that are happening in their communities. When people (such as your parents) attack us for being non-believers, the more information we have to discuss and viewpoints we have to put forward, the better we are able to defend our beliefs. Also, for those who believe as we do, it is surely helpful and not at all negative to use this site as a way of raising these issues, and getting people involved? The petition and book drive (read Alchemist’s post) is surely not a religion-hating way of making sure that ALL sides are considered in the argument, and all voices heard?
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@Captain Noodulous etc.
FSM distanced me from my family because after aligning myself with it, my parents perused the site in annoying detail and called me repeatedly about whether I was sure I should get mixed up with this crowd. They didn’t want me taking a blatantly atheistic stance.
Blind faith does not broaden people’s minds. But the ability to belive in miracles and the like can help people imagine things others would think impossible. (wow, that sounded evangelical)
I know well of what dangerous nutcases abound (the second in command of the Texas house doesn’t want evolution to be taught as it is against seperation of church and state, first being postulated by “cabbalist physicist Albert Einstein). They just don’t post to this site. Nor do you influence their actions at all. Nor would those you “inoculate” (nice term) ever be seduced by them. This is a site for atheists and agnostics; no one’s “converted” to atheism from here.
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Alchemist, shame on you! bbctol is about 20 times more intelligent than TLM.
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Ok then. How have you stopped fundamentalism from entering our homes and schools?
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@Wench Beth
I can’t say this site has changed my relationships in any negative way. Any relationships that have been negatively influenced have been so due to my own beliefs and thoughts. And if a relationship is damaged because of what I happen to think or believe, it is as much my fault as it is the other person, who can not or will not accept me the way I am. People who blame others for their own lives are just looking for scapegoats so they don’t have to look in the mirror and really think about their lives.
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I think the stocking should be red and blue and green… stripes or polka dots. But don’t listen to me, I am known to have appallingly bad taste when it comes to things like this… I once painted every room in my apartment a different color… and none of them matched.
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Batman,
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I do feel bad. That is the reason I am posting (I normally don’t). I truly would like to get this resolved. I was also having a bad day, and you know what makes the day better? A nice break from work to chat with some friends (seeing as I can’t actually leave work). I just took the “mental health/healing” day on Monday. It was a wonderful day. And I hope you the same.
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@bbctol
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I can’t answer your question. Perhaps someone else can? “Why was this site made” may only be able to be answered by Bobby himself. I see it/use it as a place to come for common ground. I don’t want to offend anyone, but I also don’t like the bashing of people and/or their beliefs (whether or not I agree with them). That being said, I think it is ridiculous when people send hate mail. And maybe when people on this site read it, view it as a personal attack (this could be one reason they leash out and show aggression toward these people).
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-Veritas
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bbctol,
Helping people to realise the fallacy of religion in the form of blind faith will inevitably cause anguish. But religion isn’t the benign ‘deeply held personal beliefs from which people derive comfort’ that it is sometimes portrayed as.
We can’t shy from the work just because people with a vested interest or the deceived with resist. If only we could break the thrall that is over them they would be better off.
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Religion isn’t harmless nonsense. It is dangerous and harmful nonsense that oppresses and draws down the lives of everyone on the planet.
For centuries it has held back liberty for men [and more so women], science (and medicine) drawn back the enonomy with its pointless tithes and taxes used to build huge cathedrals while people lived in shit. It continues to do all these things all over the world this very day. And yet it is patent foolish nonsense that no one needs to deal with their lives.
It encourages and justifies vicious hate and propogates wars. Moderate religion is the breeding ground of extremism.
Very little of the good done by religion could not be achieved very easily and more safely some other way. People have compassion within themselves – they don’t need the help & inspiration of [a non-existent] God. They need the help & inspiration of each other and would be MORE empowered if they realised that they NOT GOD are the true source of their power.
The religious faithful are weaker for the belief that they need God. I AM (metaphorically) my own God and all my compassion and ‘power’ is within me.
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Cap – good point. I use the shotgun approach to TLM like entities :) How are ya btw? long time no see :)
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bbctol. I live in the UK, we’re not doing too badly thanks! So far :(
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Let me ask you a question. What do you think we should be doing. I’ll grant you this, sitting in front of a PC typing smart answers doesn’t solve the problem. Yet from this people meet-up, they act in their normal life. We learn.
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So I ask you again. What have you done?
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bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 2:34 pm “FSM distanced me from my family because after aligning myself with it, my parents perused the site in annoying detail and called me repeatedly about whether I was sure I should get mixed up with this crowd. They didn’t want me taking a blatantly atheistic stance.”
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It’s not venganza.org that will make you take a “blatantly atheistic stance”. Too much diversity between the Pastafarians (as stated before) and toooo much to learn here (as stated before as well).
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@Cap
Excellent points… I feel inspired! (Really, I do).
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@Veritas
Monday was a holiday here… so I have only worked one day this week so far. I think I need a vacation from my dreadfully dull job… but in the meantime a 3 day work-week will have to be good enough. =)
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BTW, I like your point of view. You seem to be a very thoughtful person… and you’re right, simply bashing other people for their beliefs is probably not the best way to go about things. I know I sometimes I am guilty of doing so, but I would like to think that for the most part the people here are more interested in learning and promoting independant thought.
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@Alchemist Feb 21st, 2007 at 2:45 pm”Yet from this people meet-up, they act in their normal life. We learn.”
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The learning could, on the long term (or how you say this in English) be the most interesting side of venganza.org: we leran things, opinions, viewing angles, facts, we learn how to debate with people, how to convince seemingly hermetic people of something logical, and eventually, who knows, some Pastafarian will EVOLUTE into someone able to REALLY get through the fundie armour. Isn’t that an idea worth acting for?
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RAmen, Jean Bart!!
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Batman,
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It was a holiday here as well…apparently we both reside in the States. Thanks for the kind words, it always touches my heart (yeah…that sounds pretty corny, but it is the truth)
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“I think I need a vacation from my dreadfully dull job”
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Tell me about it. I sit in front of this computer all day and feed it info (which I get from paperwork. At the moment I have roughly 1000 pieces on my desk). But enough with the complaining for me.
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Being on this site, and reading others thoughts is always inspiring.
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-Veritas
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What side are you on anyway, bbctol?
OK, OK, so we don’t really take sides here. But what exactly are you saying? You, a Pastafarian, are down on the rest of us for using this site as a way to meet new people, hear new ideas, and generally amuse ourselves? I don’t get it. I thought that was what being a Pastafarian was about. Obviously, you take yourself (and FSMism) too seriously. Lighten up.
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bbctol,
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I don’t think you can blame this site as the agent for your parents discovery of your atheism and subsequent concern.
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I don’t accept that because it causes friction we should avoid the topic. The vast and continuing harm of religion is a very serious (one our most serious) problems in the world.
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I’m sorry to hear about the divisions it has caused and your situation is very far from uncommon. But I don’t think we can submit to peoples nonsense just because it upsets them if we don’t.
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I don’t like John Lennon but do actually imagine no religion. Imagine the economic resources released and military actions terminated. We don’t need to win outright. Incremental steps away from religion still return benefits. So anything we can do is helping.
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I was 11 when I was sitting in a school assembly in a state of mental confusion and then it occurred to me. “I know. The only way to reconcile all this is if the guy at the front is talking rubbish. Yes. That’s the answer. The creation story is nonsense and by inference this whole shooting match including God is also nonsense…I feel better already….” I never looked back.
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So I don’t know from personal experience how adults throw off religion. I know they do.
Perhaps we should start a database of “how I lost religion” or “Losing My Religion” if you like REM.
Booty who posts here threw it off as an adult. I think for many people it is a journey rather than a blinding flash but there is some kind of crossing point.
What would be interesting is to know what that point is and what brings people near that borderline safely across.
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I heartily agree with you, Veritas, that being on this site is inspiring. There are so many intelligent people that post here — brings my own mind up a notch :)
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I forgot… Jean Bart, Peter Popoff is running for president in 2008, so that’s a perfect example of a Pastafarian trying to make a real difference in the world. (Well, he’s not really, but we all thought it was a fine idea.)
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To ihatemyspace… bbctol is a fake poster so don’t worry about wasting too much time on him.
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TLM are you a fake?
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Batman, I’m glad you’re inspired.
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I really do feel sorry for Christians believing their befuddled nonsense and somehow (in their own words) not being complete without a fiction to fill some hole they feel inside themselves.
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I’d love to help them but they mostly don’t want the help. They are troubled.
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On the whole, the atheists I know are fantasically complete and they include the strongest most compassionate and altruistic people I have ever met.
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I and they are complete as we stand. Is it the case that if you grow up with the emotional crutch of religion you never learn to walk by yourself? I don’t believe that is true but it might be that in general only ‘passive’ believers can turn in adulthood and ‘active’ believers are a lost cause.
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Oh the irony. Was I the only one taking bbctol too seriously, yet blaming him/her for that same thing?
Yarr.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA,
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I fully agree with everything that you have said. Why must you make such great points, with such a poetic touch?
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See…without this site, I would never have met this person (not that a formal greeting has occurred), and read his posts.
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-Veritas
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@Jean Bart. Yes. I can be daft, irreverent (and down right gross) at times. Yet I have learned so much from this site. I don’t just leave it when I log off. I pick up books, trawl through websites, ask peoples opinions. Take an active part in many other organisations.
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Why? Because about six months ago I stumbled across this site. I’m an active member of The British Humanist Association and Amnesty International, partly because of this site.
What good does this site do then bbctol? A hell of a lot of good! IMHO
RAmen
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I am taking him seriously, although Wench Beth has planted a seed of doubt.
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If this is a charade, why would one toy with my heart?
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-Veritas
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Has someone read through all TLMs posts to copy his vocabulary, style and language almost perfectly? Amazing!
RAmen
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Thanks for the compliment Veritas.
I do seem to be a litle bit on fire tonight even if I say so myself.
RAmen.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA,
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There must be something in the air…
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BTW, nice to meet you.
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Well, I feel duped, anyway. bbctol, you have got to stop messing with us.
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@Wench Beth Feb 21st, 2007 at 3:08 pm “I forgot… Jean Bart, Peter Popoff is running for president in 2008, so that’s a perfect example of a Pastafarian trying to make a real difference in the world. (Well, he’s not really, but we all thought it was a fine idea.)”
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Be careful: I might get tempted to throw this idea on the “Political Issues” forum. Yarrr!
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I’m almost constantly switching from these pages to the forums and back, and they’re in some really heavy debating right now. One thread, freshly started, goes like “Can a failed suicide bomber who acted for his religion plead insanity?”
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@ The Lunatic Mask
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It does sound like him!
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@Wench Beth Feb 21st, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Not a bad influence & a medium denier tan. no fishnets. She’ll look very sexy and not just tarty.
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I didn’t know it was stockings, I thought it was tights.
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I’m resisting (and almost failing) mentioning the obvious advantage of stockings with the thigh length boots.
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Sherlock is a very lucky man and given that he is an atheist proof of the non-existence of God.
If there were a God, why would he give Sherlock Booty?
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RAmen.
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@all
Well, cripes… I was taking bbctol seriously (or at least assuming he/she was a genuine person with a genuine problem/question). So now what? Who is it?
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@Veritas
I am Canadian. And at least you have paperwork to make you look like you are working and give you something to move around in different piles. I used to have that… then I got “promoted”, and now pretty much my sole responsibility is sending out emails, organizing the office in-box, and generating reports that nobody reads. I know nobody reads them… oh the pointlessness of it all. =( But hey, at least it gives me lots of time to play around on the internet… so at least I am learning all the time… maybe not so pointless then?
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@Captain
Even if bbctol is faking it, you have made a wonderful argument. I am enjoying your posts, mostly because you are highlighting the good points of FSMism etc. rather than feeling like you have to defend against the negative aspects. Positive action will defeat negative reaction every time.
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It may be that bbctol is someone playing a devils advocate, but that’s a different thing from the satirical ‘Solider of God’ parody posts.
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As you say who cares. I don’t at all accept the argument that we should knock religion because religion doesn’t like it. Human relations are too complex and too interwoven for adults to always take the path of least resistence. Nasty people have it over nice people because the nice ones take the path set by the nasty. That can’t be good.
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It will cause friction but this isn’t pointless spite. Religion is a serious worldwide problem but unlike things like disease it is entirely within the power of mankind to cure it. He/she created and could in principle destroy it by this time tomorrow. All he/she would need to do is realise the folly.
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“even if bbctol is faking it, you have made a wonderful argument…”
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Even if the posts/emails/everything else is fake (this includes everything on the site), I couldn’t care less. The information is the only thing that matters in this case.
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Batman,
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Maybe one day I shall venture north, and visit your land of (true) freedom.
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bbctol, are you as much of a dick as you seem ? I strongly doubt that you are what you claim or you would not have made the moronic statement that
“People’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Pastafarianism”
Reading this was enough to make it pretty obvious you are some kind of religious nut – if you really thought that the FSM was a joke that had run its course you wouldn’t have visited the website in the first place, let alone come back to repeatedly. Any way you look at it, you don’t actually “get” the satire because sane people do not react to something they know to be satire in such a bizarre way as you claim to have done.
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@Batman Feb 21st, 2007 at 3:43 pm”I used to have that… then I got “promotedâ€, and now pretty much my sole responsibility is sending out emails, organizing the office in-box, and generating reports that nobody reads. I know nobody reads them… oh the pointlessness of it all.
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Just put some “Satanic Verses” in those reports, and wait… Yarrr!
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I mean
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I don’t at all accept the argument that we should not knock religion because religion doesn’t like it.
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By the way folks, bbctol parents have been calling him but we know TLM (I can not believe we still talk about the witless twat) lives at home with his parents.
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People don’t usually lie about things they don’t think they need to, so I think bbctol can not be TLM.
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As him if his grand parents have underwater lighting in their swimming pool. The real TLM couldn’t possibly resist boasting about that and would break cover to do it.
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Ha Ha. He really was a witless twat. I remember my mathematical proof of that is on the site somewhere.
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Ho Ho & RAmen.
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@Jean Bart
HA HA HA HA HA… well, I would try that if I wasn’t pretty sure I would be fired for it. Nobody has noticed that I have been including a “Word of the Day” at the bottom of each one, which I take from the “undictionary” or just make up myself…
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Seriously now, I just signed into the forums, but don’t really know what to do there, besides read all the posts. They’re interesting, but I find it kind of intimidating. I”m such a weenie…
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@Veritas
Aye, our land is free and our beer is like moonshine! (paraphrasing John Stewart in Big Daddy) Too bad about all this stupid snow, though. =(
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@Captain
If I was going to argue with you about making fun of religion (which I’m not really, you would probably wipe the floor with me), I would say that mutual respect is important, but if their beliefs can’t stand up to criticism then why believe? I think lots of us here make fun of the fundies, but it is usually done intelligently, with a good sense of humor, and they need to realize that humor is not their enemy.
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I didn’t really say that right, but I am so hungry right now I can’t think anymore.
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Batman, I make fun of the fundies. ‘cos they’re stupid and it’s fun. Childish, but fun.
But there is also a real debate and one we (and bbctol) should not shirk from.
Religion is bad and although we are forced to tolerate it we need people to know we don’t won’t and can’t respect it and people need to be liberated from its coils.
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@Captain Noodulous Silicate TBHNA Feb 21st, 2007 at 4:04 pm “Ha Ha. He really was a witless twat. I remember my mathematical proof of that is on the site somewhere.”
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I remember something of a way to determinate a poster’s character and value, with points and all. I’ll have to look that up some day: it was great. I, no WE should have a copy of that nearby, always!
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@Batman Feb 21st, 2007 at 4:14 pm “Seriously now, I just signed into the forums, but don’t really know what to do there, besides read all the posts. They’re interesting, but I find it kind of intimidating. Iâ€m such a weenie…”
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You make your first post in the “New Converts” thread, and start looking around. You can be triggered by a discussion: then you might add your opinion, POLITELY, and see how the debate evolutes. My use of the word “politely” is on purpose: the forum members are very sensitive to that, and not without reason. Ask Alchemist: he felt a kind of ill treated by two American veteran posters… I won’t give you details, he could have me shot for telling this. Hahahaha!
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Well, the other thing to do: start a new thread about something that “lies on your mind”. This is more diffiicult: you have to look carefully in what forum you put it, and if it hasn’t been posted before.
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I should copy this: it starts to look like a manual! Yarrrr!
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@Jean Bart
Is it ok that I gave myself a different name there? Batman just didn’t seem to fit… not feeling very Batman-y today, I’m afraid… =(
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Anyhoo, I try for the most part to be polite, although sometimes sarcasm gets the better of me. I’m working on curbing that, though.
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Thanks for the advice! I appreciate it very much…
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bbctol: Look at it this way:
If an ommelette is to be made, eggs must be broken.
If stupidity is to be dealt with, people must be anoyed.
The FSM is a concept showing Religion a mirror which seems like rubbish, but they hate it, because they see their own reflection in it!
ramen
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I like the sarcasm.
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@Batman
Looks like it’s moving day: just now two forum veterans registered in the Dawkins forum, advised by a new venganza forum member who came from there. I don’t mean they swapped forums: they’re on TWO forums now. I had a peek, and it seems really OK. But since I ‘m already spending a lot of time combining these pages with the forum, I’ll stick to vanganza.org for quite a while. Although I might try to spread the word about the Brussels Declaration there… if it hasn’t been done already…
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Hi.
I just got here and skimmed the above only (on account of the fact that I didn’t care to read it all) but…is bbctol really faking it????
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It really “gets my goat” when people post stuff that doesn’t reflect their genuine beliefs and opinions. My view is that this is a serious site dedicated to the pursuit of the “higher truths” of internet spirituality.
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In my opinion people who come here and post “fakenessisms” need to be cast into the volcano of flat beer next to the gorilla gram factory.
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If bbctol is not faking and his parents are persecuting him, he needs to run away to sea and make his living as a pirate…that’s the best advice I could offer. *insert angry wabbit*
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@bbctol FSM has stoped growing
There are very many people who are new to this site every week, maybe not as much as before. I personally can say I just joined FSM about a week ago and have intorduced sevral (3-4) friends about it, one of which seemed to like the whole FSM thing very much. Also when i mentioned it to my family they thought it was funny, or just didn’t care.
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@Batman Feb 21st, 2007 at 4:44 pm “Is it ok that I gave myself a different name there?”
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Aha, which means you’re on of those new converts of today: Pajammas, balfourneapolitan, MihafromGoa, youngteens, TygerXG2, hummeryoz, PicsJks, Sienli Maccaroni, Who_Spilt_My_Pasta??
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We’ll meet again on the forums!
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@Jean Bart
I’d be the Pajamma’d one… which is what I haven’t changed out of all day, on account of being a grouchy person. =S I look forward to seeing you there!
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@Thumper
I hope you get your goat back! (Sorry… I have nothing going on right now.)
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@Batman
Thanks Batperson…it’s nice to know someone cares about poor ole Thumpies goat.
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I think that if Pastafarianism is coming between you and a loved one you need to “kick that loved one to the curb”…as Rikki Lake would say…that way Pastafarianism won’t be coming between you and your significant others anymore.
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@Me
Go Rikki…
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@Thumpie
If someone steals all our goats, what will we eat on our pirate voyages? Oh yeah… spaghetti. I forgot…
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@thumper
do you have any other farm animals that may be a suitable subsitute till you get your goat back?
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@Thumper- totally agree with you, fake posters deserve retribution.
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and personally, I like posting here better than in the forums, cause there are more people going in and out. And the forums intimidate me also :0
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@Batman
Canned Spaghetti is permissable on long voyages.
@Irish Pastafarian Army
I also have 237 head of cats and a ferrit named “Phil” who assists me in herding them to market.
@ Dread Wench L’TUAE
You go girl!!! Go Rikki…
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@Irish Pastafarian Army
You may think “Ferrit” is spelled “Ferret”…but Phil’s french and likes to be different…au revoir…
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@bbctol
“everyone’s got to accept that there are some things science can’t explain.”
I’m very late to this thread, but I’d like to point out one thing here: the inability of science to explain certain things (granted, some things have no scientific explanation yet) is reason to look harder for a scientific explanation. At some point the Chinese thought (some still do) that solar eclipses are a sign of impending doom, possibly even the apocalyptic end of an era. That wasn’t so, now was it. Similarly, people may have interpreted intense thunder and lightning as a sign of Gods displeasure. Shall I explain to you how you can make lightning yourself at any time and place of your choosing? At some stage man didn’t know anything. Look at what we know now. Scientific/technological advance takes time, but it seems a terrific course to be following. Given it’s previous track record, give it more time I say.
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Why would you ever go with the thinking-discouraging ways of religion instead? Buuuhhg to the intellectually demotivating ways of religion. And this site is an excellent forum for expressing pro-independent-thinking thoughts. Given it’s high profile it frequently makes the news. We were on CNN some time ago. Any spreading of the ideas here that might make even a few people think for themselves is good.
Apart from that I like coming here. Many of the regulars here are terrific. Also, it is a way to alert people to certain causes. Alchemist has been directing us to the EU-Merkel counter-site. I found getting Dawkins elected man of the year on the BBC blog a sweet moment. And many here have signed up to the Downing street petitons and the action to get TGD to MPs. So glad to be among you and keep coming!
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That’s my only post for today, it is already too late over here.
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Yeah, I know the hatemail is a /joke/.
Ever think we might want to play along?
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Oh, by the way, I beleive in the FSM, and I don’t think it’s ripped apart my life or whatever you said. I actually feel happier than I have in years ever since I knew about that wonderful ball of noodles in the sky, watching over me with care.
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Ramen.
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It’s still funny. And it’s still relevant. Superstition needs to b
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Dang !
It is still funny. And it is still relevant. Superstition needs to be continually confronted.
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I reckon all the messages posted by St John the Blasphemist are fake too. St John the Blasphemist doesn’t exist at all and if you think he does then you need serious help.
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Take it from me. I should know.
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St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Total Existence Failure
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And another thing. You think bbctol might be joking, since he/she/it said all that stuff & then ended it with ‘RAmen’?
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St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Glaring Contradictions
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@St John the Balsphemist
“St John the Blasphemist doesn’t exist at all and if you think he does then you need serious help”
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Blasphemy!!!…please help…seriously…
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Thumper
Wabbit
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Bon martin mon ami Thumper. ca va ?
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@ everyone – even if bbctol is a fake, look at the debate “it” started! Just wonderful.
@ Batman – I will raise a glass to you tonight! :) I don’t like beer much, I hope whiskey/Diet Coke is OK with you!
@ bbctol – the problem with trying to speak to Xtians, especially the fundies (I live in the Bible Belt – trust me they are everywhere) is that you cannot debate insanity with logic or reason. That pretty much leaves satire, or alternatively a “fight fire with fire” approach. It’s impossible to convice people, you have to convert them. Oh, and last night my husband told me he likes a bunch of my attitude changes since I became a wench. So much for damaging people’s lives.
@ everyone – this seems as good a place as any to post this thought. It popped into my head today while driving. Jim Carrey once said that the sadness of a man’s life can be measured by how far back he has to reach for glory. It occurred to me that Xtians are reaching back 2000 years for glory. Very sad indeed…
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@ Thumper – you do have a very interesting collection of critters! Say hi to the cat for me! :)
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@Everybody
This may have already been discussed on here… and maybe most of you have already heard of or seen this movie, since it isn’t really recent.
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I just wanted to say that Jesus Camp is about the sickest thing I have ever seen. I cried when I saw what they were doing to some of those kids. I will never again apologize for being an atheist, or for disagreeing with people. Instead I am proud to not be religious, and if my family ever again tells me I am going to hell, I won’t argue… who wants to go anywhere with people like this?
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I think I’m going to be sick… literally sick. For those like bbctol (joking or otherwise) who think that this site has outlived it’s usefulness… if we can change even ONE person’s mind, or prevent one child from going to these camps, or even just keep these camps and their teachings out of our schools, we have succeeded.
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@Rowdy Wench
Anything with alcohol is A-OK with me… I think I might go for the whiskey myself after watching that little gem of a movie…
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@Alchemist
Good Martin to you to my Yorkshire dwelling friend…rainy I trust?…excellent! Phil the French Ferret (Ferrit) sends his regards.
@Rowdy Wench
“Jim Carrey once said that the sadness of a man’s life can be measured by how far back he has to reach for glory.”
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“The world is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy to those who feel”…
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I don’t know who said it or why it’s remotely related to the above…but…who cares!!!…it’s kinda cool…
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I am not the Laughing Man. Nor am I faking it.
Now that I am back on my computer, I also think I have figured out why this comment board is being so…bad. I have failed, pretty badly, to explain my points. Here are, I hope, better explanations to questions a lot of people seem to be asking.
1. How is FSM responsible for the divides between the religious and atheists? FSM invites all agnostics and atheists in, from the most radical (all christians are stupid) to the most mild (god might exist). By having everyone here, it lumps all atheists/agnostics into one large category. I lean more towards the mild side of the atheistic spectrum, but as my parents visit this site, it provides the impression that we are all as radical as our most radical member. Atheists should not all commune under one banner- it alienates us from the religious, and breeds more hatred.
2. I’ll begin by saying @DutchPastaGuy: Have you actually read the rest of that post? Or can you only take quotes out of context? There are things that, CURRENTLY, science can not explain (dark matter, quantum theory..). As I said explicitly in that post, I believe this is because science is still advancing. We don’t know everything because we haven’t studied for long enough yet. Though the religious say we can never learn all the mysteries of the universe, I, AS I SAID, don’t believe this (sorry if the caps make me look like a forum noob, but I’m pissed off.) In essence, let me say this: I am not a fundie. I am agnostic. It would be very hard for me to be a fundie, actually, since I come from a mixed marriage. I believe that there is some force that is as of yet unexplainable that began the Universe, but I am wholly confident that, given enough time, science will come to understand it. You can argue this with me, if you’d like refuting the Big Bang Hypothesis.
3. Not really a question, just something else that people assume: My parents are not religious. My dad’s a reform jew, and my mom’s greek orthodox. They do not, however, flat-out deny that a god might exist (and neither do I). This is why, when they saw this site with its numerous anti-religious comments, they were so annoyed at me.
RAmen,
bbctol
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Salut Thumper! Was Phil the one I stuck down my boxers?
So many ferrets, so many…ahh, those were the days :)
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bbctol – scroll rule!
If you want us to read stuff, make it easy coz we is al fik!
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@ Batman – Just got started on the whiskey. Good stuff! I’ve only seen a few seconds of the ads for that movie, and it’s tragic. I agree with you, and a big RAmen for your comments.
@ Thumper – I’ve heard that quote before and I really like it. More on that later. For now, I have to separate myself from this site for an hour or so. Back later, with more whiskey in my system!
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@bbctol
You have a few valid points, but they are overshadowed by the fact that your main problem with this site is your parents’ problem with this site. We are not going to change our lives or behavior or beliefs because someone’s mom and dad are annoyed with them. It’s not our problem, it’s yours. Deal with it, and if you need help or support to do so I am sure many people would be happy to do what they can for you…
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If this site doesn’t agree with your beliefs in some way, then why are you here? Ask your parents to find you a nice, safe, un-offensive site and go there.
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@Thumper
bbctol has stolen my goat now as well. Maybe he is trying to breed a scapegoat that he can blame for his feelings of alienation.
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Jesus Camp is, indeed, more sick and twisted than any tales of Satan. So why does that make you proud to be an atheist? There are other organized religions that don’t forcibly convert children. Is this site about being against fundamentalist Christians, or against all organized religion? Many posts seem to say all organized religion, but that doesn’t seem right… unless I just forgot to sign up for Buddha Camp…
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The reason I don’t like this site isn’t because my paents don’t like it. They don’t like it because of its ridicule of God, which I’m fine with. I don’t like the site because it exists solely to breed animosity between the religious and atheists, in a place where there is far too much animosity. My parents are just a personal example.
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@bbrtol
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“…..I don’t like the site because it exists solely to breed animosity between the religious and atheists, in a place where there is far too much animosity”
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Does it? I thought it stimulated thought! Perhaps I’m wrong :(
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@bbctol
I’m not speaking to you until you get a proper name…if it’s imagination you’re lacking I’m happy to help you think of one.
@Rowdy Wench
Hello.
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@Alchemist
I suppose that serious conversations can take place on the forums. But you can’t expect me to believe that the sites’ pirates and pasta are all meant to stimulate thought. Indeed, near all the site but the section of the forums labeled for serious discussions is a ridicule of religion, which DOES breed animosity, though not in an active, “we hate you” way. This is what I mean when I say that few Pastafarians truly hate non-fundie Christianity, and actively try to destroy it, but simply by being there and dressing up as pirates, you mock it.
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@bbctol
“I don’t like the site because it exists solely to breed animosity between the religious and atheists, in a place where there is far too much animosity.”
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I think you’ve missed the point. The purpose of this web site is to create awareness of environemtal issues such as global warming and to promote practical “piratical” solutions to these problems.
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Most of the fundies that come here with hate mail aren’t real anyway…”faked” says you…so I fail to see why they are missing goats over us and plotting Jihad.
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@shipscat
you just spoke to me. And Ships Cat isn’t really a name, especially as it lacks an apostrophe. bbctol is what’s known as a screenname. I don’t use my real name online, just as you don’t. If you mean a real name as in “a name that’s not random letters” (what bbctol is), call me Ishmael.
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@bbctol
I guess I’m proud to be an atheist becuase I am proud to have overcome much of my upbringing and I am proud that I am capable of independent thought rather than mindlessly following shite such as that movie.
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Animosity only breeds if you let it. You are posting here saying how much you disagree with what we do and how we behave. You are the one who seems to be offended by the content on this site. Yet rather than go to a site that perhaps better reflects your moral/ethical standards, you are wasting time here with us, even though you seem uninterested in what we have to say.
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If you leave this site feeling angry with others, or if reading what we have to say makes you feel animosity towards different faiths, then the fault is in you and your interpretation of what we are saying.
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Oops…”environmental”…who’d have thought I’d ever have a problem typing “mental”…
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@Thumper
The fundies that post to this site are not real. My way of knowing they are faked is that actual fundies wouldn’t post, foolishly, to ths site, and play into your hands. There are fundamentalists out there who are very pissed off, and feel the need to combat your “heathen ways” by sending their kids to Jesus Camp, or whatever.
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@Thumper
Yay Thumper! Wish I could put things as well as you!
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@Batman
My point is, the world is not divided into fundamentalist Christians and atheists. To say you’re glad you’re not part of any organized religion after seeing one organized religion do something terrible insults all other more free religions.
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@bbctol
Sorry, you just lost all credibilty for me. People sending their kids to Jesus Camp because of this site? That’s a stupid thing to say… and while I have disagreed with much of what you have been saying, I didn’t think you were stupid.
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You are wasting people’s time here.
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@bbctol
I am proud that I am not part of any religion… I am grateful that I am able to be happy and fulfilled standing on my own merit. And I am not insulting all other religions by saying that. If people say they are proud to be Catholic, I don’t take that as a personal attack.
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Feel free to not reply. I personally am tired and want to go to sleep. And no, people don’t send their kids off to Jesus Camp directly because of this site. They do it because they’re afraid their kids will lose religion as they grow older, “seduced” by the claims of atheist books, movies and websites, such as this one.
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@Ishmael
That’s better…
“Ships Cat isn’t really a name, especially as it lacks an apostrophe”
No apostrophe is why it’s a name…plus you’re just guessing that it’s not my real name. Now…wanna tell me about this white whale that’s got you all out of sorts with mom and dad?
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@bbctol
I apologise profusely for thinking you were TLM. You do have quite an impressive mind!
So do we! Many serious conversations occur on these threads.
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Why should we justify them to you?
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Who are you? Why do you ask these questions? If you didn’t care you wouldn’t be here! What are you trying to say, apart from the “we’re arrogant”. Are we? This is a website dedicated to those of us who want to change things.
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I ask you again, what are you doing?
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@Ishmael
Well…if the real self respecting “fire and brimstone” fundies are not visiting our humble site of holy devotion to flying pasta monsterism…how do they know what naughty things we’re saying about *insert wabbit whisper*…”God”???…thus becomming fearful of the “seduction” of their children by his holy noodliness?…unless you’re gonna tell ‘em…You won’t tell ‘em will you???
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I suppose the Mormons will start attacking Italian restaurants and Noodle Bars all over the world due to our activities as well…*wabbit looks over shoulder for Mormons*
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What do you mean, “It is fake”? I just ordered my pirate costume.
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@Alchemist
I think what bbctol is trying to say is that we should shut up in case we offend anyone.
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@bbctol
I’m still curious. If you think that ‘honestly, this joke has run its course’ then why do you still end your comments with ‘RAmen’?
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St John the Blasphemist
Saint of Glaring Contradictions (again)
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@Ishmael
“They do it because they’re afraid their kids will lose religion as they grow older, “seduced†by the claims of atheist books, movies and websites, such as this one. ”
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This is ridiculous. So we should all just shut right up and join their religion, thus eliminating their need to create armies of preteen fanatics? We should all just give up the idea of free thought and abdicate our right to express ourselves and our beliefs? Just go along with things quietly and stop making such a fuss, is that what you are trying to say? Is that how little you value your own freedom of belief?
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@jjk
HA HA HA HA HA HA… thanks, I needed the laugh. =)
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Ishmael is either a Nazi or a faker…either way I like him and hope that he comes back…
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@ Ships Cat – Hi buddy! Glad to “see” you! You make me laugh, and think of “dirty” jokes! :) As a Catholic, I felt bad about that. As a Pastafarian, I am thoroughly entertained. (I said I’d have more whiskey in my system…not quite enough yet but getting there!)
@ Thumper – “*wabbit looks over shoulder for Mormons*” – ha ha ha! I posted somewhere else that my husband and I have de-Mormonized one of my former riding students (she is now a uni student in our fair city, and my martial arts buddy). The more she has told us about that religion, the more we stare askance…oh my FSM those people are strange.
@ bbctol – “They do it because they’re afraid their kids will lose religion as they grow older, “seduced†by the claims of atheist books, movies and websites, such as this one.” This is NOT an atheist website – we just have a different god than any other religion. People only see it as an atheist website because they are brainwashed to believe there is only one god. And, they send their kids to Jesus Camp because they are afraid…period. And for most people ANYTHING is better than facing their fears.
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Where’d everybody go? I feel so alone right now…anyone? Anyone? :)
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@Rowdy Wench
Hi! Glad you’re having a fun, whiskey-fueled night. I don’t know what to think of this thread… apparently, bbctol is a faker, which makes me kind of ashamed that I lost my goat. I should keep a better eye on it…
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@Rowdy Wench
I’m always here but being a cat I sometimes choose not to answer…dirty jokes huh…did you like my joke on the Valentines (P.A.S.T.A) Day thread a while ago?
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@ Batman – I am still not able to tell the difference between the real ones and the fakers. Although I always wondered about Thumpie! :) (I read posts here for months before I had the guts to join in – and know who TLM was!) Even though you and Thumper lost goats in the exchange, I still am glad for the discussions.
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@ Ships Cat – I liked all of that discussion – although when I described your appearance to my husband he said “Eeew” and we have never come back to what that meant…in some respects I must still be a naive wench! :)
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@Rowdy Wench
My goat is a homing goat…Don’t try and say I didn’t suck you in with my fundie antics!!! I was the most convincing fundy ever…TLM had nothing on ole Thumpie with respect to madness or conviction…was fun…I miss the abuse most of all…
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@Rowdy Wench
I’m a little sensitive about my appearance if you don’t mind.
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@ Thumper – hahahaha! Homing goat…Ya, as I said, it’s hard for me to tell the difference. I don’t know how you did it, and you certainly took plenty of abuse! I guess more than anything I was pleased that you were faking, and sad when you said you were leaving. Glad you stayed!
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@ Ships Cat – oh, sorry! It’s never a good policy to offend a cat. Please forgive…
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like you said Organized religion is worse… Because of organized religion in the Roman Colliseum and in the Holicaust MILLIONS of people were acctually KILLED!!! But because of the FSM MILLIONS have realized that there is a supernatural being and/or that God is the true phoney! and BTW the hate mail is not faked… one of my friends wrote one (he’s hard core christian)
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@Rowdy Wench
Thank you…but I was always going to stay…abuse makes me less likely to do anything…as I said to others I was here before (from about Oct 2006) and loved the site…Thumpie’s the most fun I’ve had though…the Bible is just full of great material to construct bizarre and entertaining beliefs…defending them was just magic…I’m a sick animal I guess.
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@ Thumpie – Many years ago my husband was going to read the bible so he could use it against people. He got to something like Genesis Chapter 16 and gave up. It’s amazing to me how people study the bible their whole life and still don’t know what’s in it. They only read what they are told to, and skip the unpleasant parts.
Whiskey’s broken (in my house that means my drink is gone!)…back in a jiff! :)
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If I may point out, on one of my previous post yesterday, I accidentally put Pastafarianism too. I’m pretty sure its Flying Spaghetti Monsterism. I looked it up somewhere because I wasn’t so sure. But, according to Wikipedia (I think) it is. Also, this is nothing like a joke, and we are NOT making fun of anyone. Is there anything on this site that says anything remotely close to “We are making fun of other religions.”???? I don’t think so (correct me if I’m wrong.). Also, how can you say Pastafarians don’t believe in the FSM? That is like saying Christians don’t believe in Christ. And why did you use RAmen? I don’t think you have a right to, you close minded A**hole.
RAmen
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@Thumper Feb 21st, 2007 at 10:44 pm
“TLM had nothing on ole Thumpie with respect to madness or conviction…was fun…I miss the abuse most of all…”
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I miss the abuse too Thumper. Was the most entertainment I got from CoFSM in a long while ;)
RAmen
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Hmm….no T in Wench
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@ everyone – I think I need to be out for the night! I’ll be back tomorrow and will be interested to see how many 100’s of comments have been made between now and then! It’s almost midnight and I still have hours to go before I can sleep…it’s a strange life but I like it (most days!).
@ Thumper – all of our real friends count as “sick animals”! :)
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@Rowdy Wench
From what I’ve observed Bible is so “out there” that you could put almost any spin on it…kinda like the psychic help line (not that I’ve ever had need to phone the psychic help line)…I don’t blame your hubby for giving up on it…is dull as well as stoopid…except for the bit about not eating rockbadger…that was good advice.
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@Wench Nikkiee
Hello. Long time no see. Are you suggesting that I’m no longer any fun? That since fessing up I’m somehow less of a wabbit? Crimey you’re a tough crowd…
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@ Thumper – I lied about being done apparently. Gave up guilt so I’ll just enjoy being here! :) This stuff is addicting…But on the note of the Bible being dull as well as stoopid, have you heard of the “Blogging the Bible” project on Slate.com? My Dad has been sending me all the links to the new posts from the guy in charge. It’s getting harder and harder to keep up because it is well and truly boring at this point.
And now, I really do need to be done…commence long discussion with hubby who is off the phone with family members and will need to decompress for a while!
@ Wench Nikkee – Haven’t had a chance to communicate directly to you yet – please come back more often again!
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Gosh you’re hostile, bbctol. Have you been getting enough greens in your diet lately? Seriously though. I feel for you on the family thing, but it’s not FSM’s fault if your family isn’t willing to let you be free to think what you want. Nor is it yours, of course. Nobody can control what others choose to believe.
And that’s the gist of it, really. You can rail against those participating in FSMism all you want, but all you’ll do is engender more hostility, which is something the world has enough of already. Wouldn’t your time be better spent finding ways to re-connect with your family? You’ve known them all your life, so there must be something you can do.
Good luck and better days,
RAmen.
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Hi Thumper :)
I could never quite decide which were more fun. Your posts, or the responses they received. Always a laugh. Thanks :) Oh and I think you’ll always be wabbit Captain.
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@Wench Nikkiee
*wabbit blushes*
Arrr shucks!…nice to be remembered…and spoken of fondly like I was dead or something…Come on Wenchy!!!…the wabbit ain’t dead or sleeping…we just need some fundies to torment and be tormented by. This Ishmael (bbctol) just doesn’t cut the mustard…does anyone have TLM’s email???
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@Rowdy Wench Feb 21st, 2007 at 11:37 pm
@ Wench Nikkee – Haven’t had a chance to communicate directly to you yet – please come back more often again!
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Hi Rowdy Wench :) To be honest with you, there have been so many impressive posters/posts at CoFSM over these past few weeks, I’m really just enjoying sitting back and reading all the posts. Mostly ;)
RAmen
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@Thumper
“the wabbit ain’t dead or sleeping”
No I can see that…..hahahaha :)
Still enjoying you posts Thumper.
RAmen
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@Wenck Nikkiee
Ummmmm…”mostly”…I did suspect that you were posting as “Enlightened”…but then “Enlightened” came back and stated the wabbit was wrong…I’ll be keeping my beady little peepers peeled to see if I can catch you in the act missy…
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Urrrrr that’s “Wench Nikkiee” not “Wenck or Twench”…
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No not “Enlightened”. Enlightened is one of the veteran posters I think. Been around a while anyway. Unless someone else using the name. I especially liked your comment re hunting party on “Book Discussion” thread (I think?)
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“Urrrrr that’s “Wench Nikkiee†not “Wenck or Twenchâ€â€¦”
Not even drinking…hahahaha :) Out of practice maybe.
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@Wench Nikkiee
Thank you. I was hoping we could flush out “hungdaddy”…fascinating creature…Bluey? et tu?
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Who me? Reading the Hungdaddy exchanges, has explained why I’ve had to get those wings I lent out to a certain someone, drycleaned.
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@Wench Nikkiee
Indeed “hungdaddy” is a depraved and obscene beastie…that’s why we decided to use ambush tactics in a wabbit pack…wings (flap flap)…ummmmmmm…wings…ummmmmm *wabbit in famous “thinker” statue position*
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Anyway, must get back to doing something a little more boring here. It appears the devil has turned his porch light out and the angels are sleeping. Time to get some work done before they get restless again. Catch you later :)
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bbctol said, “I don’t like the site because it exists solely to breed animosity between the religious and atheists, in a place where there is far too much animosity.”
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Yeah, right, we exist solely for animosity. You know, bbctol, if you can’t take a joke then you better go back to church where the REAL jokes are — then you can learn.
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@Wench Nikkiee
I’m off as well…check out “Storm” when you get a chance…interesting.
@Wench Beth
Hello!
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What a christian in athiests clothing. I think it is high time we start a Pastafarianism Inquistion and hold public burning of smacktards like this and all of his kind!! First of all, you show me someone who’s life has been “ripped apart” my FSM and I’ll show you someone who’s life has been cleansed of christian asshattery by His noodlie appendage.
Second, the hate mail isn’t faked; nor does it have to be. This site recieves so many hate mails that it would be a complete waste of time to make one up. Who could make up that kind of jackassery anyway, beside someone brought up in the intelligence smothering christian way.
And lastly, but not leastly, it is impossible to judge whether or not the joke has gotten old due to the /fact/ the all perceptions are changed to meet His noodlie agenda.
Joseph R. Phipps
p.s. a lot of people have been quoting that “athiests are so arrogant” b/s, but really, is there really anyone as arrogant as a christian?? at best, we match that arrogants.
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Wow, I wake up to find a fiascinating new thread started without me.
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Batman, Veritas, I couldn’t care less about your backgrounds, yoy sound like you are kind, caring, smart, witty people and that’s what I care about. Not the rest of your families.
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bbctol
Feb 21st, 2007 at 2:24 pm
I’ve read the Laughing Man’s posts, and no, I am not him. And Veritas, religions don’t tell their followers to hate others, and generally, they don’t.
Oh, yes they do! They all have a problem with believers of a different god (false gods). Most religions even have problems with the heretics who believe in the same god but differently.
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bbctol, sometimes having an opinion different from those around you will hurt your popularity. People may actually actively dislike/hate you for it. With me it wasn’t religion, I just had different ideas and likes than the crowd at school. I was harrassed untill graduation for it, I never blamed MY ideas for it though. It was them and their ideas that did it.
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@red dutchpasta kidd
here, here!
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Wow! This was exciting stuff!
I missed all the excitement :)
Thanks for all the nice comments – I am going to go with tan to start with and see how it looks – the outfit is on the way – squeeeee!
I am with everyone else that FSM does no harm in itself, it is the same as anything else, it can hurt if you want it too.
As for me it has made my life a lot more interesting, and my husband is rather looking forward to my pirate outfit arriving as well ;)
As a mother of two small children I feel very strongly that religion needs to be kept out of their schooling and government, and I will fight to get it that way.
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Um yeah… I’ve kinda skipped the second half of this thread, so forgive me if I retread a resolved argument (I bloody leave you guys alone for 2 days, and look what happens!).
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@bbctol
From what I have read of your arguments, you seem to hold that we should shut this site down because of divisions it may cause among the atheist/agnostics/theistic camps.
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I have to reply, so? The simple fact of the matter is, we humans are about as contentious as you can get, and no matter what happens, how many religions we (as a species, not we as pastafarians) remove, there will always be divides.
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Those that disagree violently with our tenets are (by my observation of myriad posters on this site since my arrival in August ‘06) people who already other had deeply held opinions that I violently disagreed with. In the most part, this primarily revolves around being a religious fundamental, (with all that entails) a profile with which I could not agree no matter my theistic preferences. However, other types existed, (such as the infamous TLM) whom I disagreed with over matters of forum etiquette.
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While it may sound like I have had a significant number of arguments on this site, I hold I would have had these disagreements anyway. What really makes this site worthwhile is the personas I have met (not people alas, merely their digital representations), and the numerous entailing conversations.
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I have had several lengthy converations with posters from the whole spectrum, from fundamental christian, to athiests who denounce even agnostics. In that time, my own beliefs have not changed, though admittedly my tact has increased somewhat. More importantly, I have found myself having a civil discussion with someone who sincerely believed I was going to spend all eternity experiencing untold torment, a prospect I would not even have dreamed possible in past.
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While it is true we ridicule those whose beliefs carry them over the edge, we do not pick fights because of our religion [at least most of us... there will always be unfortunate incidents when egos clash, where the FSM may be used as rather surprised ammunition :( ]. I would argue that in my personal experience, I have befriended, or at the least garnered respect of, and from, many more than I would have previously, purely as a result of this psueodofaith.
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It is, afterall, a lot easier to end a fight by offering a beer.
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So to sum up, in my experience, this site as had the opposite effect to what you propose, bbctol. While I would not presume to speak for others on this site, I would not be surprised to find many would agree.
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Jingles
Awaiting your response, with bells on.
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@Booty
“As a mother of two small children I feel very strongly that religion needs to be kept out of their schooling and government, and I will fight to get it that way.”
RAmen to that, Booty. And your signing up for the book pledge, EU petition, etc is warmly appreciated.
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@ Jingles re bbctol you seem to hold that we should shut this site down
In fairness he didn’t say Bob should shut the site down.
He said Pastafarianism can be stopped. Hmm
He probably still believes the advertising of the White Star Line that the Titanic is unsinkable.
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Although my favourite line is: So shut up when talking to people you think are stupid.
I wonder, does he stamp on the floor and throw his toys if he doesn’t get beans on toast for dinner?
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For every bbctol there are a dozen (well 2 or 3) interesting and intelligent people with whom to hold a debate, no subject inviolable.
This site should be lauded as a place where the taboo subjects in life, generally politics and religion, can be openly debated.
I (with a presumptuous we) do not expect to agree with everyone elses view but at least can respect their right to hold it.
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In some countries it is still a criminal offence to openly criticise the state sanctioned religion, in others an offence to practice any religion openly.
The posts I have seen on FSM while certainly irreverant, do not seek to end anyone’s religous freedom; rather it is the freedom to openly hold a belief however personal it might be to the individual that is actively encouraged here.
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@St John the Blasphemist Feb 21st, 2007 at 9:58 pm “@bbctol I’m still curious. If you think that ‘honestly, this joke has run its course’ then why do you still end your comments with ‘RAmen’?”
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He doesn’t… the FSM steers his computer a bit. Yarrr!
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I know, a bit late, this commentary. Actually sitting here waiting for the confirmation of my being registered on the Dawkins forum. To tell a secret: I’m going to try to post the Brussels Declaration link there. If somebody hasn’t don that already: only 5 days to go! Come on, European Pastafarians, sign the Brussels Declaration on
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http://www.vision4europe.org/
And now back to my mail box!
RAmen to you Pirates!
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@Batman a while back
I need to check this more often. Okay, “This is ridiculous. So we should all just shut right up and join their religion, thus eliminating their need to create armies of preteen fanatics?” is, again, something I’ve never said. I have never said, in any posts, that the only way to stop the conflict is to become fanatically religious. This is the second time someone has put those identical words in my mouth. You don’t need to all meekly follow religious leaders in order to create a little more peace and freer dialogue. You just need to not insult religion at every turn, and know that there are more open-minded people in religion than ridiculous fundamentalists.
As to what my purpose is on this site… I didn’t really go in with a clear purpose, which I probably should have. My original mail talked about ending FSM, but I now see that this is near impossible/not going to help anyway.
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@bbctol Feb 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 am “As to what my purpose is on this site… I didn’t really go in with a clear purpose, which I probably should have. My original mail talked about ending FSM, but I now see that this is near impossible/not going to help anyway.”
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Glad you learned at least SOMETHING here! Not a surprise, with such good and patient teachers!
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@bbctol “You just need to not insult religion at every turn”
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Why is religion so “precious” that it can’t stand a little criticism and derision
Are gods so sensitive that they will suffer offence, and if all powerful why do they need such vehement defence.
Are gods devoid of a sense of humour, if so how sad for them
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Anyone hurt by this site probably just needs a good course in Dianetics.
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oops might have offended the scientologists there.
Expect the excrement to impact the rotary air-circulating device
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@bbctol
stop arguing semantics. No, you didn’t say we should all become religious fanatics, and I didn’t say that you did. But you do seem to be saying that having a dialogue about it, and being openly critical of religion, is just causing problems and animosity. (Again, I can’t be bothered to quote everything you say, it called a summary).
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Maybe I am the only who thinks this is what you are trying to say, but telling us that we should not be having these discussions and that we need to stop saying things that are causing dissention… that’s what free thinking and open dialogue are all about.
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@bbctol -
“…..You just need to not insult religion at every turn, and know that there are more open-minded people in religion than ridiculous fundamentalists.”
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Really? As a former born-again christian my reply to that is unprintable! I’ll stick with bollocks though.
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I’m not talking about foaming at the mouth Southern Baptists either. I’m talking about nice, respectable, middle class, English Methodists.
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VERY open-minded people {extreme sarcasm}!
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BTW – if you expect me to pay the licence fee you’re going to have to come up with more interesting programmes :)
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Got to run off for a couple of hours, talk to you later :)
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@ Jean Bart re http://www.vision4europe.org/
When it includes the three below every right minded person in Eurpoe should get signing, I just did.
We affirm the equality of men and women. All persons regardless of race, origin, religion or belief, language, gender, sexual orientation or ability must have equal treatment before the law.
We affirm the right of everyone to adopt and follow a religion or belief of their choosing. But the beliefs of any group may not be used to limit the rights of others.
We hold that the state must remain neutral in matters of religion and belief, favouring none and discriminating against none.
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@Privateer Feb 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 am”When it includes the three below every right minded person in Eurpoe should get signing, I just did.”
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Actually, it was Alchemist who gave me the link (so I could post it on the forum). And by going back to that thread, I now realize what he meant with “I’m about to splatter it over Dawkins’ in a minute or two”. So I didn’t have to register at the Dawkins forum after all…
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@ Booty – Can’t wait to hear more about your pirate regalia! :) What fun!
@ Jingles – RAmen! I have only been posting here for a couple of weeks (after reading the site for months) but have found that even in that short time I’ve learned better communication skills and how to think more clearly about the issues. I too disagree with some of the ideas here, but have found myself wanting to know more about what people are thinking.
@ Batman – I got to raising my 4th glass last night and had to quit! :) Switched to iced tea!
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@Red DutchPasta Kidd,
“I couldn’t care less about your backgrounds…”
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I haven’t been posting for you. I was merely using my own experience as an example.
-Veritas
p.s. Batman, I had a drink in your honor last night. Keep up the good work.
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@Veritas
ha ha ha… thanks! What good work? If you read back the thread, I totally lost my goat last night to bbctol. =( Kind of ashamed for getting ticked off. Makes me one of the irritable folks who nobody wants to talk to…
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Um, Red DutchPasta Kid meant it in a nice way, I think.
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@Jingles
I like your posts… very thought provoking. Thanks for saying what I wish I could say but in a more coherant and readable style.
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Where is Bill? And Wench Nikkiee? I miss them…
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@ Jean Bart – wasn’t me on Dawkin’s – someone beat me to it!
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@ Batman “I totally lost my goat last night to bbctol” Don’t fret over it. At least you didn’t have a pop at the regulars :)
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I think Bill’s teaching today, not sure. Nikkiee will be in bed, it’s 0545 where she is.
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bbctol,
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Part of the fun of this site is that scientists can come and play by the rules of religion. Such as arrogantly assuming that what ever they want to believe or happen to believe is the truth without (and even in the face of) evidence or that something is true just because it is written in a book even though that book is full of factual inaccuracies.
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We can kick of our shoes of reason and humourously flex the toes of rampant faith.
Anyone who deals with fundies will become frustrated by their total lack of objectivity and this site acts as a bit of rumpus room for the intellectually frustrated.
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That is why I enjoy the baiting and so on.
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However there is also the serious point that I have made above that people don’t recognise the harm religion does properly and everybody being tolerant and agreeing to disagree (etc.) isn’t really satisfactory.
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Debate about the existence of God and blind faith that you know his will isn’t an academic exercise it harms our society and we need to help people understand that, resist it and push its toxic tide back.
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It is wrong to stand by and let their hate propogate across the world on some mistaken basis that they have a human right to hate.
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There is no such right. People have a legal right to their beliefs but that doesn’t mean we are socially obliged to simply nod and accept those beliefs as true.
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We must debate because we want to help society.
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Well said Captain!
RAmen
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@Alchemist
=) What if bbctol is a regular? Weren’t some people saying he/she was actually one of us and just faking it? I’m new here, so I’m still kind of wary of offending people.
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Oh well… I have a new goat today and I am keeping a tight leash on it. Happy times, going book shopping after work today, so need to decide on what my topic for the next week or so should be. Does anyone here have any suggestions?
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Anyways… I enjoy the way you are monitoring the Book Discussion Thread, keeping an eagle eye out for the pesties… it’s enjoyable reading.
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@Captain
RAmen!
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Hi Batman. If he is a regular and posting under a pseudonym then he’s fair game. I don’t know if he is to be honest.
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He’s English (or Aussie) because he spells dialogue our way. Looking at his post times I’d say English. His spelling and grammar is good too. He knows of the TLM (FSM protect me) thing which suggests he’s either spent a long time in the archives or has been on site a few months at least.
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He mentions parents a lot, this could be a deliberate bluff so we think he’s young and arrogant – that tends to stir the regulars up a bit.
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He could easily be a Pastafarian at play. If he is then he knows the likely responses. I still think he’s genuine though. He’ll make a slip eventually if he isn’t.
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Good game though :)
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“….His spelling and grammar is good too” unlike mine it seems :)
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@Alchemist
Feeling a bit uneasy not being really able to help with Jamie Christie’s book pledge, I started a thread on the “Political Issues” forum. I searched the forum on “pledge” and “pledgebank”, and found nothing, so a think I’ve put there somthing new. I addressed it to the British browsers, of course… The pledge is going a bit slowly, don’t you think? I like this pledge a lot: it’s original (if only EACH MP could have his/her copy of “The God Delusion”!) and serves a good cause. Sure this Jamie Christie is a Pastafarian (may be without knowing it…). Nah, you must have told her already… Yarrr!
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Thanks Jean Bart. It was DutchPastaGuy who brought it to my attention. Don’t worry about it Jean, you’re doing enough just by raising awareness :)
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Time for a plug :)
http://www.pledgebank.com/church-and-state
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The pledge states
‘I, J Christie, will arrange for my MP to receive
a copy of Richard Dawkins’ book “The God Delusion” but only if
645 other people (one per UK constituency) will do the same for
other MPs.’
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There are over 350 people involved now, so over half-way. Come on UK Pastafarians, it’s a good cause!
You don’t have to specify an MP if you don’t want to. Just go with a wildcard!
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End of advert
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Hmmm, I am sure I posted against this at work today, but it hasn’t shown up – bloody NHS computers!
@ Captain NS TBHNA – Awwwwwww! I have been grinning like a loon all day at work and making people wonder what was wrong with me after reading your comment waaaaaaay back up the thread – my outfit has been shipped – I am sooo excited :)
I don’t have any stockings at the moment, so tights will have to do at first!
Sherlock really isn’t that lucky, I am the lucky one to have him around :)
Thank you – that comment made me ridiculously happy :D :D :D
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Good stuff Booty. Enjoy ;o
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@Alchemist
Actually, I’m from the US. Is there another way to spell “dialogue”?
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@Alchemist, Jean Bart
Like yesterday I have little time here today. Partly because I’ve been working on the book pledge. And with some small first effect. Jamie has been in contact with the site administrators, volume pledges or multiple pledges from a single person are now accepted. The Humanist Association of Northern Ireland (’Humani’) has pledged 13 copies and I’ve been emailing and voice mailing the Belfast Humanist Group for another 5. Together that would make 18, the number of MPs for Ulster. Pledges already made by individuals means there will be copies to spare for open seats elsewhere in the UK. The next step will be to get humanist organisations elsewhere in the UK to follow the good example of Humani. And these would have quite a bit more weight than the modest number of constituencies in Ulster. So while the number of new pledges seemed to be slowing down the last two weeks, things are now definately looking up again.
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@ DPG – do you know if the British Humanist Association (BHA) have been contacted. I suspect they will have been.
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At bbctol. I thought you spelled it dialog? Still, I’m not infallible, ineffable sure, but not infallible :)
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Very well then, let us play :)
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@Alchemist
March 3 is the Humanist Council of the Isles. Humanist organisations from all over the UK and the republic of Ireland will have a meeting. I’m hoping to persuade the chairman of Humani to advocate the idea at that meeting. That would include the BHA representative.
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Hello all!
@Jingles (Feb 22 4.39am) *wabbit stands and provides vigorous applause*
@Alchemist…good morning my fine featherless friend.
@Ishmael/bbctol
“I didn’t really go in with a clear purpose, which I probably should have.”…ok…I don’t consider that you need to have a “purpose” in coming here. Part of the fun is having raw ideas challanged and developing them. Speaking for myself I enjoy coming here and I have found the Pastafarians to be a very fine bunch of shipmates. Most know that I originally posted as a “fundy” with wabid wabbit views…suffice to say I got some stick…which I thoroughly enjoyed…but…I also found that the Pastafarians gave me a good hearing and “listened” to what I had to say (and it was pretty crazy stuff…ever eaten rockbadger???)
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I don’t think that Pastafarians are as inflammatory as you believe and they will consider all that you say (they may not agree but that’s fine)…I don’t think anyone here would disagree with freedom of religion…we just also agree with free speech. *wabbit gets off soap box*
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@DPG – Good luck! I can e-mail BHA if you like but I suspect your approach will yield better results.
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@Thumper. Good morning to you. Yes, I’ve been told to wash them before I give them back. Not really feathers though, half way between scale and feather – I call them scathers :)
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@Alchemist
It’s an ok “mourning” here…lost the ODI series 3:0 to the Kiwis and now Scotland has come out saying that they think they can “take us” in the World Cup…what the hell is going on in the world!?!…
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Thumper. Sorry, did you say Scotland? You’ve lost some key players but…..Anyway, your lot tend to pull their fingers out for the World Cup (as you do for The Ashes) and let’s face it, you’ve had a hell of a long season this year.
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We’ve got Ireland banging the drum for Saturday’s International (Union). Looking forward to it. I like a close match but I prefer an utter slaughter :)
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@Thumper
“I don’t think that Pastafarians are as inflammatory as you believe and they will consider all that you say (they may not agree but that’s fine)…I don’t think anyone here would disagree with freedom of religion…we just also agree with free speech.”
Maybe I’m in the ‘harsh atheist’ end of the spectrum. Maybe I’m intolerant too. But I would say that freedom of religion should have clear limitations. Think circumcision (do I spell that correctly?) of girls when they reach purberty, discrimination against homosexuals or women, etc. Your religion mandates it? Well then your religion will have to yield in my view. No comprosmise there. Though titty for your religion instead.
Also, I would like to see limits to the extent that parents can indoctrinate their children. Yes, that might mean imposing limits on peoples religious freedoms too. RAmen to that then. Call me intolerant if you will, but I’m not too big on certain religious freedoms at all.
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@DPG – I know what you’re saying. How about “all for religious freedom so far as no one is adversely affected by your acts and/or omissions in pursuance of said religion” :)
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@Alchemist
“DPG – Good luck! I can e-mail BHA if you like but I suspect your approach will yield better results.”
If the Humani chairmans heart is willing to advocate the idea, then the Ilses meeting is by far our best shot I think. If not, then it may come down to people individually contacting the humanist organisations. In that case I may take up your offer.
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dang, I missed, like, everything. okay bbctol, away we go:
I really don’t see what your problem is. We are having fun and discussing things on our own, trying to raise awarness in a humorous manner, and not forcing ourselves on anyone. You don’t have to come here, you know. No one does. I’m not going to back down on my beliefs for fear of offending someone, except sometimes my friends, but they don’t even bring up thier religion at all. I honestly don’t care if I offend Christian strangers with my antics, most people in an organized religion were raised in it and have never considered any other options. And some of them are extremely offensive to other people about it. I’ll let them be if it makes them happy and they don’t bother other people, I’ll even support them to an extent. Why do you care if your parents don’t like the site? It’s your choice to be here or not. So go away if you don’t like it.
RAmen.
Sorry for the length, but I need to make up for lost time^_^
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@DPG – agreed. Let me know though.
Thanks
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@Alchemist
“How about “all for religious freedom so far as no one is adversely affected by your acts and/or omissions in pursuance of said religion”
Sounds fine on paper (or screen) but what about gray areas? Is teaching children that the earth is 6000 years old (and maybe also that it is the fixed centre of the universe) damaging them by disqualifying them from certain future careers, as no professor in astronomy will hire such a person for a PhD position for example?
So why should we have freedom for such things? What’s wrong with saying that some forms of religion are deserving of open contempt and that they should not be taught in schools, including schools that are funded by religous organisations, as the children that attend these schools deserve a measure of protection. There will be situations where that can not be reconciled with religious freedom. So screw the latter in such cases I say.
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Greetings all.
Alchemist, I am in shock to find another like me.
Storm
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@Dutch Pasta Guy
Oh dear…people who practice religion (in the West) have choices with respect to the extent that they follow “the rules”…Circumcision is largely a medical procedure and a debate unto itself (to the best of my knowledge female circumcision is not practiced in any Christian religion and is mostly performed in Africa) With males some Dr’s do…some don’t…like abortion.
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Religious practice (in the West) is subject to secular laws (separation of Church and State) Therefore discrimination etc is already illegal if that’s what being done in practice. People can teach there children all sort of secular hatefull ideas…how do propose this would be policed?
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The only states that have really tried what you propose are the former Soviet Union and China…many human rights abuses have flowed from this…i.e. Fallon Gong and Tibet issues *wabbit says free Tibet*
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The only states that force religious rules on a population are hard core Islamic states…how to we change them?…more Iraq anyone? Iran next perhaps?
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I for one don’t want the “thought police” telling me or my neighbours what I can and can believe. I also want my church and state separate so my law is not religious dogma. *wabbit gets off soap box*
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Opps…”can and can’t believe”…*wabbit hangs head and shuffles feet*
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@DPG – was only having a joke. However, wouldn’t the points you cite be classed as affecting someone in an adverse way? I’d say so. You’d probably need case law for that though :)
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Greetings from planet Ooooga, Storm. Welcome :)
You might be surprised by how many of us have been “behind the pew” on this site. I think that explains why we get a little bit upset with some xtians.
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Grab a beverage of your choice and join in the fun.
RAmen
David
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@Thumper- *wabbit should stop talking in third person* (ah, not really, I like it^_^)
But yes, thought police, brrrr…. gives me goosebumps. 1984 anyone?
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@Thumper
I was being the totally useless, hypothetical armchair academic. I didn’t touch on practical implementations there, just pointing out some examples. No, I do not propose to have a ‘mind Gestapo’ around. To be honest, I think I would find it very difficult to come up with any good answer when someone should ask me how my views should be put into practice. I agree with you that such implementations can have extremely unpleasant side effects.
Btw, I’ve seen some very bad effects of imposing limits on religion in Africa last year. I don’t remember whether it was Kenya or Tanzania. But one of them banned circumcision some time ago. The result was that medical procedures that were previously done at least in some degree of hygiene etc. were now replaced by a couple of family members taking a young girl to a quiet place with a razor blade. So I definately see your point that things that are meant to improve the situation can have terrible consequences.
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Dread Wench L’TUAE you are accused of ThoughtCrime. How do you plead!
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@Alchemist
“you are accused of ThoughtCrime”
That doesn’t sound too nice. How about some more HappySpeak in your posts?
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DPG – hahahaha. I think HappySpeak is good! Far to much DoubleSpeak in the UK at the moment!
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@Alchemist- I plead the 5th!
Actually I’m probably guilty as hell^_^
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PS DPG – I think my posts have a lot of HappySpeak in them, just have to know how to read me :)
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@Dutch Pasta Guy
Wheeeeeew…that’s a relief…but for the record I do agree with John Lennon…imagine no religion…would be nice but in my view if there were 10 people left on earth not even 50% would be atheist…it’s the human condition.
@Storm
Hello.
@Dread Wench L’TUAE
*wabbit flattens ears at suggestion you don’t like 3rd person but raises them again, cotton tail wagging at realisation you are just kidding*
@Alchemist
“Sorry, did you say Scotland?”…yes Scotland…*wabbit assumes foetal position beside keyboard*
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@ DreadWench – “to the re-education centre with you. Bailiff, take her down”
keep it up I say :)
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@DreadWench
Can I be your lawyer???
@Alchemist
“to the re-education centre with you. Bailiff, take her down”
No more direct communication with my client…talk to the paw…the press is going to hear about this!!!
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@Wabbit curled into a tiny ball chewing his tail.
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eeek! Don’t want to make your ears grow too big but that’s like the ant and the elephant!
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Scotland I meant :)
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LTUAE did incriminate herself though. She pleaded guilty :)
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Oi to you all!
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How go things in FSM-land? Much happier thread today…
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@Alchemist
Inadmissable…she hadn’t been read her rights…the confession doesn’t go to the jury…
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The way the Aussies are playing Scotland has a shot…*woe is the arrogant Aussie wabbit hitting it’s head on desk*
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@Batman
Hello Batperson *wabbit wags its cotton tail again*…errrr…let me know if the 3rd person does get tedious…
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Hi Batman :)
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@Wabbit with a stinking headache. If we loose against Ireland on Saturday I think I’ll be doing the same :(
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LTUAE was read her rights. Miranda read them to her in the car! OK, she was unconscious at the time but I’ve got 50 reliable witnesses who will testify to her understanding and agreement!
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@Alchemist
50 witnesses…ummmmm…to quote Dread Wench – “Actually I’m probably guilty as hell”…she’s obviously not of sound mind, memory or understanding when making this statement…clearly not a statement of fact but a representation as to a belief…she won’t be taking the stand and if she does she’ll invoke self incrimination privillege…I have 50 Pastafarians who’ve read about psychology on the internet and who’ll testify she’s as mad as a hatter!!!
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@Alchemist
Coloring Book Thread – Dread Wench L’TUAE Feb 18 at 6.31pm
“@Thumper- you want me to see a shrink?! I have like, almost zero respect for most shrinks.
DEATH TO SHRINKS! *grins manically and grabs rusty spork in one hand* ”
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury…is this the post of a sane person???
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@Thumper. Oh, I see! The classic “Spork” defence?
We’ll need to agree on expert witness though. I thing David Icke for me :)
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Why can’t I spell think aaargh
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@Alchemist
I know they’re both long shots but I’m torn between Peter Popoff and Dr Worm as far as experts go…I’d invite any psych minded pastafarians to peruse Dread Wench L’TUAE’s prior posts and provide an opinion however…
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I’m leaning towards Dr Worm…to the best of my knowledge Dr Worm doesn’t want to kill and eat counsel for the accused…
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@Thumper
Hi! *Megan’s goat is wagging tail back at wabbit*
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Anything of fascination going on ’round here? 1984… I just reread that book a couple of months ago… I always feel kind of dirty when I read stuff like that. It’s good, and has value… but eeesh, it makes me uneasy.
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erm… Batman’s goat, I mean.
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@ Thumper. (In Chambers) Hmmm, there was a Dr MagLacey (sp) who posted around xmas time. He diagnosed TLM with malignant Narcissism (I think). Might be worth a try? I’m having second thoughts about Icke – he’ll just accuse the Judge of being a lizard again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
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@Batman
George Orwell aka Eric Blair…fine works…I liked Animal Farm…except that it should have been the wabbits not the pigs in charge…would have been more like Utopia…*wabbit raises paw in guesture of defiant freedom*
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Have you read “Brave New World”…can’t remember the author…about genetic engineering…but written early last century…very interesting…I’ll find the author…
@Alchemist
Batman’s goat is a member of the Justice League and not to be trifled with…aka…The Bat Goat…
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@Alchemist
“Hmmm, there was a Dr MagLacey (sp) who posted around xmas time”…Yes but can he be bought!!!…Dread Wench L’TUAE needs the brand of justice that only money can buy…*and wabbit is time costing at obscene rate*
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@Batman…author is Aldous Huxley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
@Alchemist
David Icke just might lend some credability to the defence…perhaps as a shock witness…lizard mind control…but we need a good rock solid Pastafarian expert to examine Dread Wench.
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@Thumper
HA HA HA HA… the Bat-goat… I like that. =)
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I have not read Animal Farm. I am ashamed to admit that, because I have heard of it, and it seems to be recommended by all. I just find talking animals kind of scary. Watership Down gave me nightmares as a kid… I don’t know why.
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If it is really meant to be read, I suppose I’m old enough now to overcome such fears and read it like a big girl. I haven’t even heard of Brave New World. Right now I’m reading The World Is Flat… which I think is going to take me at least until next week.
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@hoppity counsel for the defence.
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What about Cherie Booth? hahahahahaha
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@Batman – Animal Farm is really worth a read. “four legs good, two legs bad!”
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@Alchemist
I’ll brief her but only if she’ll pose “nekid” (hey! that’s how I spell it) for a wabbit finger painting…er…that’s paw painting…and if Bill Tomlinson and DPG can invent a time travel device to make her 25 years younger…
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I’m late to post this, sorry if I repeat anyone!
@Bbctol—“I suppose that serious conversations can take place on the forums. But you can’t expect me to believe that the sites’ pirates and pasta are all meant to stimulate thought. Indeed, near all the site but the section of the forums labeled for serious discussions is a ridicule of religion…†Are you serious? Have you SEEN some of the threads to this site? Yes, there’s a lot of joking around, but if you have a problem with joking then you need to lighten up. I’ve been here a good while now, and I can tell you from personal experience that there’ve been debates on everything from beer to evolution vs ID to benefits/drawbacks to religion to politics to confusing science things I don’t really understand!
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Also, you keep saying that this site ‘breeds animosity’…only it doesn’t. It breeds critical thinking, maybe, and as they say, the truth can be harsh, but that’s not the fault of the site. Oh, and jsyk, I’m not actually an atheist, so obviously the site isn’t ‘breeding animosity’ as badly as you think. The only people I can see getting ticked off at this site are the fundies, and….really, they deserve to be ticked off.
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And not all the hate mail is fake. Some of the hate mail writers have come back for some interesting, if aggravating, discussions. (Herr Dokter Mikey anyone?
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There is no law against being offended, you know. Hell, you SHOULD be offended once and a while! Shows you care about things. What is that quote? ‘Someone who has no enemies has never taken a stand’? Something like that.
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(By the way, good post Jingles!)
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“1984″ creeped me out, but I liked “Animal Farm” better for some reason. Must be the talking animals, ahah.
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@Iron gill Kidd
I’d be more concerned if you weren’t freaked out by 1984…everyone likes a talking wabbit…
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@ Thumper. She’s quite a respected Human Rights Lawyer! hahahahahaha – Also married to a loonie who has gone a bit Thatcher. Still.
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I’m going with Icke. At least it’ll be a laugh then :))
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@Anyone who cares
I’ve added a little something to my name…hope you like.
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To Thumper… what did you add?
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@Wench Beth
The link…can’t you see it???
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@Thumper …”. This is often accompanied by foot flicks” hahahahahahaha
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@Wench Beth
It’s a bit of a saga the whole Thumper/Fuzzy story but worth a read…it illustrates how one wabbits single mindedness can over come adversity and hardship…*wabbit tears up*
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@Thumper
Have written down “Brave New World” on my list of books to buy (can anyone here say loser? It starts with a B and rhymes with catman.) I will get Animal Farm too.
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Awwwwwwwwwwwww!! Lil’ bunny!
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Binkies on the carpet?!?!?! AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!
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@Batman
“(can anyone here say loser? It starts with a B and rhymes with catman.)”
Wabbit lesson number one…be nice to self…you’ll enjoy Brave New World…I struggle to read non fiction if not directly related to work or study…that’s just me…you won’t see me posting about Philosophy or Science…errrr…you won’t see me posting anything useful…
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@Thumper
Aw… I’m nice to myself. I just have this theory, that if you can’t make fun of and laugh at yourself, you really shouldn’t be making fun of or laughing at others… I try to spread my sarcasm even-handedly.
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So what is your area of work/study? I read anything… I read fiction books, and if they give me an idea about anything I go out and buy as many non-fiction books about it as I can find. My basement is like the library that time forgot…
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@Batman
The wabbit is…wait for it…a Matrimonial Lawyer…I save the world one divorce at a time…and yes I know you are about to commence a law degree…get the degree…don’t practice…it’s awful…
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@Thumper
Wow… for some reason I thought you were a physicist or something (I don’t know if I spelled that right). Why is it awful? Do you think its maybe because of the type of law you practice? (Maybe I’m wrong… but spending all your time around people getting divorced doesn’t sound pleasant…) Or does practicing law just get dull no matter what you do?
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@ Batman – don’t listen to the Wabbit :)
Read Chemistry first – that way you will have the skills required for our World dominat……..NO, NO. Damn, the voices.
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I’ve noticed a distinct decline in the fun of this faith now that fewer and fewer people are in to it for the original purposes.
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@Max Globs – really? How so?
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@Alchemist
Does it have to be chemistry? How about biology? With maybe some chem thrown around in there?
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Honest to FSM, I don’t know what I want to study anymore… law still appeals to me, because I could argue about the fairness or otherwise of everything, which is something I do a lot of. Or writing. Or Biology. Or Criminology.
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I’m screwed. I am going to end up broke and confused.
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@Thumper
Oh, for some reason I just remembered this…
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One of the girls at work came in today wearing a scarf made of REAL RABBIT FUR!! It was incredibly soft… but bad and wrong nonetheless. So I wrote this whole big story about it (work isn’t really something that I do at work, in case nobody has noticed that), and I was going to post it here, but it is way too long.
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So, as you can see, my story had no point.
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@Batman – Chem is a good first degree, but I’m biased :) I think you should read what interests you! Law is fascinating too. Saying that, so is Ancient History, Egyptology etc, etc.
Job wise – if you can get Articled then law might be the way to go. Chem pays less :)
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In UK unless you get a 1 (or know people) you haven’t much hope of becoming a Solicitor.
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All I can say is ‘go with what you enjoy’. Learn for learning’s sake! That way you’ll be happy and do well with your chosen subject.
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Hell, I sound old now :))
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@Batman
The practice of Law is not usually dull…just lots of pressure and frankly most often a tempest in a tea cup…not too many “The Practice” moments in reality. I don’t mind Matrimonial client’s…often barking mad but interesting none the less…you get to learn alot about people in relationships…
@Max Globs
What was the original purpose?
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@Alchemist
Don’t worry about sounding old… I am going BACK to school… so I am going to be older than most of the people there. Sigh.
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I wish I could do all distance learning, so I could just read everything I want and learn about more subjects. I also wish a general studies degree wasn’t ultimately useless, ‘cuz that would be good.
@Thumper
Learning about relationships of the barking mad… actually does sound interesting. And I should disparage them for being barking mad… at least they’re in a relationship.
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Why is Max Globs irked? Is he a regular here?
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@Alchemist
Why so tough to get admitted??? Here we have heaps of Legal Practice Courses if you can’t get articled…solicitors running about everywhere…often going to the UK to work in Banking and Finance.
I fully agree with respect to second degree…it’s the way to earn big bucks…IT/Law and specialise in IT copyright…my wordy…If only poor ole Thumpie was better with computers and more motivated…
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@Batman
“And I should disparage them for being barking mad… at least they’re in a relationship.” Actually…they’re usually just getting out of a relationship that you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy…but sometimes they’re getting into one with the ex’s best friend, brother/sister, work mate, neighbour etc…you get the idea…(sigh) ain’t love grand?…barking mad stalkers the lot of em…
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@Thumper
ha ha ha ha ha… thanks for making me feel better about being single. =) Love makes the world go ’round… sounds like crap to me. =P
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@The only two people on this thread tonight (Thumper&Alchemist)
I’m off ’till tomorrow, have yourselves a good night.
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@Thumper – lots of competition for, here. The Bar is mad! Many lawyers have no right to represent in Court (except as MacKenzie Advocate). As you know I’m not Articled but can act as Expert Witness in some cases.
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I think Chem and Law are some of the best courses you can ever study. The skills gained are transferable :)
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Signing out my wittle wabbit fwiend :)
Have a good one!
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@Alchemist
Really??? Here a “MacKenzie’s Friend” is a lay person (usually a family member) that may assist a litigant…any lawyer admitted to practice has a right of representation.
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*Side bar*…did you see that Judge Seidlin in the US (Anna Nicole Smith burial case) broke down weeping when handing down his decision??? What the hell is that about??? Bad enough that he’s been acting like a star struck teenager and talking about his own “Judge Judy show” but weeping???…I wonder if he weeps during murder and rape trials or if it was Ms Mary Citizen who’s burial was in issue rather then a “star”…yikes!…embarrassing!
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Veritas
Feb 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 pm
@Red DutchPasta Kidd,
“I couldn’t care less about your backgrounds…â€
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I haven’t been posting for you. I was merely using my own experience as an example.
-Veritas
Batman
Feb 22nd, 2007 at 12:27 pm
@Veritas
ha ha ha… thanks! What good work? If you read back the thread, I totally lost my goat last night to bbctol. =( Kind of ashamed for getting ticked off. Makes me one of the irritable folks who nobody wants to talk to…
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Um, Red DutchPasta Kid meant it in a nice way, I think.
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Veritas, i’m sorry if i hurt you in any way. I just tried to say you and Batman,and everyone else here, matter to me as a person. Not as an extention of your family or whatever. You could have an horrible family I thoroughly dislike, I dont care about them. I care about you here. And I was sorry to hear about your experiences and wanted to express that I liked you two for who you are and that your background and family were not a factor for me in liking or not liking you.
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Again sorry if I offended you, that was most certainly not my intention, quite the opposite in fact.
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Thumper, awww cute little bunny.
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Morning all!
How nice to see Alchemist playing nicely with Thumper :) Just be careful though Alchemist – you know what they say about Rabbits ;)
I have absolutely nothing of interest to say (yes, I know that’s nothing new!) but I did have a lot of fun reading the thread, so thought I would say thanks!
and a belated Welcome aboard to Batman and Veritas :)
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Alchemist not always play nice? Oh!
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@Alchemist Feb 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pm
“I think Chem and Law are some of the best courses you can ever study. The skills gained are transferable :)”
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Bah! Humbug! …mumble mumble mumble……..bah!
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Alchemist always plays nicely with Thumper (well, apart from the first couple of times :))
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Thumper – meant lawyer as in someone with law degree, not Solicitor – my fault :D
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Neanderthal. Hi there :) I think I play nicely
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Don’t know Allichemist. But sound like play nice :)
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