Yeah, I know it’s satire. I’m an atheist, and I hate stupid, narrow-minded fundies as much as anyone. But honestly, this joke has run its course. People’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Pastafarianism, though I know you don’t really believe it. Not as many as by organized religion, but organized religion can’t really be stopped except by massive revolution, whereas Pastafarianism can be. It was funny for a while, but you don’t seem to realize (actually, some of you probably do) that no one cares anymore, that all the hate mail is faked. Stop laughing at the rest of the world, and realize that you’re not better than the people who post your hatemail; it’s a /joke/. And your religion has lost its humor. So shut up when talking to people you think are stupid. That was the /real /meaning of the “atheists are so arrogant” post. He was pointing out that /you/ were so arrogant in believing that there were really that many stupid people in the world. Some of you, I am now sure, know that all this hatemail is faked. Tell the others, and get everyone to stop acting such a fool.
RAmen,
bbctol
FSM won’t rip people’s lives apart, it’s not like people even have to do anything to be Pastafarian, there’s no curch on Sunday you have to go to, there’s no holdays which u have to practice, and u don’t have to donate huge sums of money. This is as much a religion as any other and even less strict. Also, this “joke” has not run it’s course, there are still millions of people who come here, people like the FSM idea, and it isn’t really even only a joke anymore. Not all the hatemail is actually fake, there r aot of pissed off people who r religious fantics. People do care, it might not be as obvious anymore, but there are still people who do FSM related stuff and talk about FSM. FSMism isn’t atheist, and personally i don’t think that people beliveing other things aren’t always stupid. People posting hatemail have the right to believe whatever they want and they can say it. So, y don’t you leave us alone, we can believe and say what we want, we’re not hurting anyone. Anyway RAmen and sorry for all the spelling/grammar errors, i hope u get the point anyway.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I see what you mean, but can’t this just become a fun website at least?! Plus pastafarianism still has a long way to go and plenty of people to irritate in other countries than the US. The rest of the world needs to be educated about how stupid Kansas can be.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Who says we’re trying to stop organized religion? Just trying to keep religion out of science class is ambitious enough. Besides, I’d never recommend tearing down a belief system simply because it’s not my belief system.
And what is this arrogance thing? We pastafarians are entertaining each other. If it bothers you, go away!
And if this web site tears me apart, it was worth it. Beer volcanoes (Lake Superior Oatmeal Stout, please) await.
RAmen
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol Pastafarianism can be stopped.
.
Cool; go on then.
.
Is there a time frame involved, today would be mega, this week impressive, before March I’d say well done, before the US has a female president (go on Hillary you know you want it)……
the longer you take stopping it the more you may have to eat your words.
.
I’ll just go on eating the pasta, peacefully of course, no ripping of lives.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
FSM has, without me fully realizing it, distanced me incredibly from my family, who I thought would be fine with me being an atheist. And no, Pastafarianism isn’t really a religion. You know that. It’s a way of protesting strict religions. Of course people still like the FSM idea, and people do come here, just not new people. Pastafarianism has become just a way for atheists and agnostics to meet and talk about how much fundies piss them off. Of course people believing other things aren’t stupid, often faith can broaden our minds. The people who are stupid are the thick-skulled fundies for whom religion closes their mind, and they won’t accept anything into their minds that does not correlate with what they were first taught. Luckily, there aren’t that many of those people. And yes, people posting hatemail can say what they want, I’m just telling you to not be so smug when denouncing obvious fakes. I’m pretty sure you’re aware that almost all the most recent hatemails are fake. I’m telling you to not be so smug in the way you denounce people who clearly just want to get a reaction. They’ll just continue.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I never said you’re trying to stop organized religion; I used that as an example of why Pastafarianism should be changed. I have nothing at all against organized religion. And of course you don’t actively rip lives apart; plenty of lives have been ripped apart by Christianity, but how many Christians spend their time actively destroting people’s lives?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ bbctol distanced me from my family
That is very sad, if you scream your atheism or wear outwardly like, oh a cross around your neck, you will alienate people just as much as Jehovas Witnesess do when they try to force feed their philosophy over your door step.
.
In my family I am in the minority, of two. We do not think our relatives are stupid, we do not try to convert them or feel the need to “come out of the closet”.
They are fully entitled to their beliefs, most of them know mine and we have enough respect for each other’s freedom to choose that we leave it at that.
.
It is a tough stretch to see what in what area faith broadens the mind?
But this site allows the individual to engage in the sort of debate that would not necesarily be a good idea across the dinner table. Broadening the mind perhaps?
.
And often the hatemail is fun and responding to it a bit of a laugh.
So who gets hurt, apart from the odd keyboard?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol
but how many Christians spend their time actively destroting people’s lives?
Two words. Jerry Falwell. Tells people to hate their own gay children or parents. That’s pretty active.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Oh, but it is a religion ;-) . Look, stupidity has to have opposition, and the FSM is a conccept to show stupidity a form of mirror.
They can’t disprove FSM, we cna’t disprove GOD (which ever version)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ bbctol christians changing lives
You mean like collecting for those poor little chlidren in Africa, the money then going on:
Schools, NO
Hospitals, NO
Missionaries, naturally as they need to be converted to our religion, their own culture (which is probably older and no less illogical) has no value.
We then discourage contraception, where has that taken Africa. And intruduce a new element to tribal war, sectarianism.
.
I know the Christians filling the collection plate are well meaning and kind, the end result is still misery.
.
As the Eagles put it so succinctly on Hotel California, The Last Resort:
just like the missionaries did, so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign Jesus is coming
brought the white mans burden down
brought the white mans reign
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Jerry Falwell falls under the “stupid fundies” category. How many ordinary, non-fundamentalist Christians spend their time actively destroying relationships? None. But it still happens, just as with FSM.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Oooh, think I sit here for a little while.
.
@bbctol – you do realise that Soldier of God, author of the Arrogant Atheist email, is a Pastafarian. He was faking it! Don’t tell me you fell for a fake e-mail?
.
Mercy me!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol
Erm, maybe I’m just being thick headed here, but how does FSM actively destroy relationships? I come from a family of religious folks, which I know can cause tension and distance when one decides to think for oneself rather than following the rest of the herd. I don’t think it is FSM that has distanced you from your family, I think it is your own personal un-belief system. My family has accused me of reading hate literature when Dawkin’s The God Delusion was left out in plain sight. This FSM site is more about people who don’t want to subscribe to the traditional religions coming here and discussing their ideas. It is also a site where like-minded people can find support for their activist activities and find common ground. It is your family that has the problem, not yourself, and whether you had ever found this site or not, you would still be in the position you are in. I can’t discuss my “beliefs” with my family, so I come here, where everyone has a voice and people are encouraging and very smart. I think you should take things for what they are, rather than blaming your problems on others.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
Mercy, Halleluja, praise the Lord
.
Oops came over all Southern Baptist for a moment there.
.
What do you mean which one? Buddha of course, for I am one with the Four Nobel Truths.
.
1. Life is suffering (cheerful)
2. All suffering is caused by ignorance (RAmen to that)
3. Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance. (all praise the webmaster)
4. Pasta is a damn tasty dish and good for you too.
.
Ok that last one’s not right but it is much less pretentious
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@ Batman re The God Delusion
I just got distant cries of, “he’s reading that damned book again.
.
Although they did enjoy some of the more amusing tales.
And surprise surprise any tale that showed someone elses religion in a poor ligth was seen as wholly acceptable.
.
Oh to be self righteous
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol – you do realise that Soldier of God, author of the Arrogant Atheist email, is a Pastafarian. He was faking it! Don’t tell me you fell for a fake e-mail?
Oh yes, the dreaded conspiracy which involves sending hatemail to fsm in order to execute the devious scheme….errr…
what is the point of the evil scheme?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@BBCTOL
.
Please explain “ripped apart by Pastafarianism.”
.
“plenty of lives have been ripped apart by Christianity, but how many Christians spend their time actively destroting people’s lives?”
.
98%, whether they know it or not. And I’m still not sure how we are “actively destroting people’s lives.” Really, please explain.
-Veritas
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
By the way, my entire family is LDS (mormon). The second I stopped going to church, they changed our relationship, not I. They stopped treating me like one of the family. When there is a family get together, they treat me like I worship the devil himself. Now these people claim to be the most loving, forgiving, kind, and humble of religions. Really?
.
But I suppose you are right, I am the one who ruined our relationship. I am the one who doesn’t believe in their religion, and stopped participating. Therefore, I (being pastafarian and all) have fucked yet another life(s) up. You win, good game.
-Veritas
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Privateer
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot more evidence of that kind of self-righteous attitude in my own family than I even want to admit. =S We had a big family dinner on the weekend (they’re all good little christians, so there are a lot of us) and I am sad to say that I honestly dislike many of my family members. That’s not because of FSM, it is because of their hypocritical, assinine behavior.
.
Sorry, today is an absolute shit day, so I might come across as grumpier than I really am. I’m up in Calgary, and I am third generation… for those who don’t know this, Calgary doesn’t quite qualify for bible belt status (that’s out in Saskatchewan, I believe) but it is certainly the redneck capital of Canada. Just check out our Calgary Stampede and the Head Smashed in Buffalo Jump and other charming cowboy museums. While my family has no problem telling me that I am destined for a fiery eternity of hell, they have no problem making jokes against other religions, and their idea of REALLY funny humor is anything mocking people of different races, sexism, and any bigoted remark is greeted with uproarious laughter.
.
I hope you don’t all hate me, knowing where I come from now. I swear I am not like these people… and while I am getting more distanced from them everyday, I don’t think it has anything to do with FSM. I think it is more to do with my distaste for intolerance and ignorance.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol “Some of you, I am now sure, know that all this hatemail is faked.”
Yours too then… that’ll keep us going! And IF it’s real… then you’ve no idea of the amount of things you can learn on venganza’s pages (check the Forum!). Ripping apart relationships… makes me wonder about those relationships.
RAmen to you Pirates
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Batman,
.
Agreed.
.
Wanna be friends?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Batman “I hope you don’t all hate me, knowing where I come from now.”
Seems as if you didn’t look around on venganza’s pages (included the Forum, I keep repeating that to everyone!) enough yet to realize there’s a lot of people having a fundie or other extremist background. Lot’s of them!
RAmen to you Pirates!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@daqq – “…what is the point of the evil scheme?”
.
*whisper* shhh – we’re going to take over the world and destroy peoples relationships.
.
Once rid of the objective, loving and forgiving religious people -we will rule with arrogance, hatred and beer.
.
We will subjugate the masses and enforce our rules upon the entire face (and arse) of the planet.
Those who fail to fall into line will be burned at the stake, beheaded, crucified and released into the community with a good behaviour bond around their necks.
.
So mote it be!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Alchemist Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:13 pm “We will subjugate the masses and enforce our rules upon the entire face (and arse) of the planet. Those who fail to fall into line will be burned at the stake, beheaded, crucified and released into the community with a good behaviour bond around their necks. So mote it be!”
What dreadful chemical compound are you sniffing now?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
When I mentioned Pastafarianism to my parents, purely in passing, they completely panicked. And please don’t say that that’s all because of religion. FSM fuels the controversy, and just causes equal hatred on both sides. This is not working towards peace.
And yes, of course I know that “solider of god” is one of numerous fakes, considering I said it in the mail.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@BBCTOL
.
So you are admitting it is your parents that are not understanding, and not the FSM that is ruining relationships. I’m glad you came to this realization.
.
-Veritas
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I also haven’t said that FSMers actively destroyed relationships. I specifically said they didn’t. I used Christianity as an example, because many people here point out that Christianity has done more to wreck people than FSM. I pointed out that very few Christians actively mean to wreck people, and yet it still happens anyway. FSMers don’t either, and yet belive it or not, as you distance yourselves from religion, the hatred grows deeper.
You also have no need to “educate the world about how stupid Kansas can be”. The world either already knows or won’t listen, including people in other countries. That’s what I mean when I say the joke is over. People have either already heard your message or never will.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:20 pm “FSM fuels the controversy, and just causes equal hatred on both sides. This is not working towards peace.”
Peace (and absence of controversy) being following meekly our beloved and inspired religious and political leaders, without thinking? Because that’s what all this is about: THINKING! And humour too. It’s the combination of wit and serious debate that puts off fundies, and other people too. LOOK AROUND!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Veritas
Um, actually, read the second, third, and fourth sentences. My parents are not fundamentalist, or even very religious at all, in any sense of the word.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Veritas
Friends are always good to have! Don’t know what time it is where you are, but I will crack a beer and make a personal toast to new friends… =)
.
@Jean Bart
I know lots of the people here have the same family background (or close to it). It’s just hard for me to talk about it sometimes, I guess, because I am embarrassed by them. Isn’t that a terrible thing to say? I don’t know, I am lucky in that the majority of people I am friends with and talk to on a daily basis are people like myself, and while I try to love my family I am always worried about how my friends/boyfriends would react were they to meet them.
.
Thanks for the acceptance though! =)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I’m not saying you should blindly follow people who are obviously misguided, I’m saying you shouldn’t blindly insult people. Stimulating thinking is fine, and completely possible without calling people idiots.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
When did I say peace and lack of controversy involved following religion? You certainly don’t need everyone to follow religion to get rid of the hatred between atheists and the religious. Stop putting words in my mouth, which you seem to do a lot.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@# bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:25 pm “People have either already heard your message or never will.”
In other words: venganza.org is extremely effective (who else is able to reach 6 billion of people in less than two years?) or totally ignored. Nope, there’s work to do, lots of. LOOK AROUND!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
What I mean is, by now the world is divided into people who have already heard your message and people who never will.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol
Well, I don’t know what to say to you, except that I am sorry you are feeling alienated from the people in your life due to you beliefs. I would think your time would be better spent seeking out people who share your beliefs or who are open-minded enough to accept them rather than judging you.
.
Come to think of, why not post here as someone who is interested in having a rational discussion about this with the people on this site, rather than telling us all we need to get a life? I have a life, and it makes me relatively happy, more so now that I know there are people out there who are interested in the same issues I am.
.
AND, lastly, I have read through all your posts, and I have to say, you claim atheism but you argue like a religious fundamentalist. You contradicting yourself pretty consistantly, everytime it looks like one of the Pastafarians has made a point. If you really believe what you are saying, why don’t you just stick with that one opinion and argue it until you are blue in the face? Maybe make a graph or something to back up your position… rather than changing said position every other posting?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:30 pm “When did I say peace and lack of controversy involved following religion? You certainly don’t need everyone to follow religion to get rid of the hatred between atheists and the religious. Stop putting words in my mouth, which you seem to do a lot.”
We call that “reading between the lines” Extremely useful when reading sentences written in the style you use here.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol u r Boring…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Batman
.
It is only 12:56 PM here. I am still at work (obviously working…hard). I shall crack one open when tonight, in celebration.
@bbctol
.
I never once said they were even religious. I am saying it is their complete lack of understanding, and open mindedness that is their downfall. I’m really sorry that your relationship is been altered in anyway (for the worse). I have been trying my damnedest to heal my relationship with my own family. And once again, it is they, who are being completely stubborn and ignorant (now I know this is because of their religion. But this isn’t always the case). I do not see how it is this site, religion, or the FSM is to blame.
.
Lets say there is someone that is gay. This person comes out to their parents, and is completely rejected and outcast from the family. Is there a gay site to blame? Or should he just hate “gay” all together.
.
I really don’t want to sound like an asshole. And I assure you, I am not trying to be one. I honestly would like to understand.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Batman
I never said you needed to get a life (don’t put words in my mouth as a way of insulting me) and I don’t plan to. I don’t argue one consistent point, because I didn’t really come here to argue a specific point, just inform you of various things about your mock religion which are obnoxious or harmful. And yes, I am an atheist, (way to go ‘commie-scare’ over there, ‘I don’t agree with him so he must be a fundie’) or at least an agnostic.
@Jean Bart
You’re reading wrong. Religion has more flaws than FSM, but this is an FSM comment board. (way to insult my sentence structure too! keep up the good work! watch as you insult the sarcastic tone I’m using right now next!)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Biscuit
Okay, then don’t listen. That was easy.
@Veritas
FSM is to blame for increasing the divide between agnosticism and religiousness (assuming that’s a word). By seperating things very strongly into us and them categories, both sides become enraged with each other.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:45 pm “FSM is to blame for increasing the divide between agnosticism and religiousness (assuming that’s a word). By seperating things very strongly into us and them categories, both sides become enraged with each other.”
.
No such separating here, except during some “fundie battles”, which most of the time are fake, and mostly an exercise in sharpening our wit. CHECK THE FORUM!
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
I don’t come to this site to put people down. At first I came here because I found it quite hilarious. I soon saw posts, and people with the same opinion as I (I don’t know if you know anything about the wonderful state of Utah. It is roughly 80% LDS. They all share the same belief, well…its mostly the same. And I find myself feeling like I am the only one of my kind). So I feel like I have found a place full of people that I can relate to. And although I don’t post too often, I view all of these people as friends. It may be that I am not the “typical” person, but to me everyone is “loved before proven guilty.” By guilty I don’t mean religious (I couldn’t care less), I mean if they are a good person. Some of my best friends are super religious, and you know…we still love each other.
.
-Veritas
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@bbctol
OK, I think “misheard” the tone of what I was trying to say. It does seem like you are trying to make a point though, otherwise you wouldn’t be bothering to post here. I just don’t understand what the point is, though. Please clarify… (I’m not being sarcastic)… what is it that you are hoping to hear from us? If I knew that, then maybe I could begin to understand your anger…
.
As for both sides becoming enraged with each other, I am not enraged and I don’t think anyone else here is either… you’re the one who is being defensive and illogical, and I think this thread is starting to get bogged down in with it. We can’t respond to your position when it changes with each posting… please (again, I am not being sarcastic) try again, post your position in a logical way so I know exactly what it is you are getting at here… FSM started as a joke perhaps, but I look at it as a forum for discussion and a way to share ideas and raise awareness about other issues (see Alchemist’s posts regarding the V4E)
.
@Veritas
ha ha ha ha… it is only 1:15 here, but I’m not at work. =) Sorry… nobody likes gloaters, I know. I was feeling like shite this morning, so I decided to take a sick day… or rather, a “mental health” day.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Jean Bart. Sorry, my humour can be a bit strange :). I was being sarcastic. Meant that all the stuff people about us should be compared to those actions taken by other religions!
.
@TLM sorry bbctol. Where in your post does it say you knew SOG was a fake?
.
.”…..way to insult my sentence structure too! keep up the good work! watch as you insult the sarcastic tone I’m using right now next!) ”
.
Hellooooo – anyone remember TLM?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Batman “FSM started as a joke perhaps, but I look at it as a forum for discussion and a way to share ideas and raise awareness about other issues (see Alchemist’s posts regarding the V4E)”
.
I couldn’t formulate better. Tried, though…
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Alchemist Feb 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pm “@Jean Bart. Sorry, my humour can be a bit strange :). I was being sarcastic. Meant that all the stuff people about us should be compared to those actions taken by other religions!”
.
What are you referring at?
.
â€Hellooooo – anyone remember TLM?”
.
I don’t, I’m only a Pastafarian since the 5th of january. Maybe I shouldn’t have bothered answering then?
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Alchemist
What/Who is TLM?
.
@Jean Bart
Thanks! Is it just me, or does anyone else here feel badly for the bbctol? The guy/girl seems to be having a tough time of things, and apparently it is in some way our fault. Just wish I knew why, though… Poor lil’ dude. (Really, that was sypathy, not sarcasm)
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
@Alchemist
“Hellooooo – anyone remember TLM?”
.
I do recall coming across a photo of the TLM at some past time.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0
To bbctol… I think you made a typo in your original post. You stated that “people’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Pastafarianism…” but what I think you meant to say was that “people’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Christianity and all the OTHER organized religions.”
.
Pastafarianism, as a matter of fact, brings people’s lives together. Never mind the jokes and the fake posts — we have fun here, duh. And eventually our lives will ALL be together at the Beer Volcano and the Stripper Factory (unless I can organize an FSM convention before that).
.
I forgive you for your unintentional typo.
Like or Dislike:
0 
0