Yeah, I know it’s satire. I’m an atheist, and I hate stupid, narrow-minded fundies as much as anyone. But honestly, this joke has run its course. People’s lives can actually get ripped apart by Pastafarianism, though I know you don’t really believe it. Not as many as by organized religion, but organized religion can’t really be stopped except by massive revolution, whereas Pastafarianism can be. It was funny for a while, but you don’t seem to realize (actually, some of you probably do) that no one cares anymore, that all the hate mail is faked. Stop laughing at the rest of the world, and realize that you’re not better than the people who post your hatemail; it’s a /joke/. And your religion has lost its humor. So shut up when talking to people you think are stupid. That was the /real /meaning of the “atheists are so arrogant” post. He was pointing out that /you/ were so arrogant in believing that there were really that many stupid people in the world. Some of you, I am now sure, know that all this hatemail is faked. Tell the others, and get everyone to stop acting such a fool.
RAmen,
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@ Bill - Post and run for now. Thanks for the info on your guilt post. Will read when I have a chance (may not be till Wednesday night).
@ DPG - hahaha! Yes, she was right! Which reminds me…I need to see that movie again. It’s been a couple of decades. Apparently there are some things that never leave my brain! :)
Must run…more responsibilities! Urgh…chat at all of you later!
@DPG
Thanks for the info but unfortunately the wabbit really ain’t that ‘puter savvy…I should be able to solve my problem in about a fortnight…I’m moving in with the other half so I’ll use her computer to raise merry hell with the Final Harvest (shudder)…simple is often the best…
@Jean Bart and Rowdy
Howdy Rowdy!
Arthur - “It’s just a cute little bunny rabbit”;
Tim the Enchanter - “That rabbit has got a nasty streak in it a mile wide”
Arthur - “Rubbish!”
Monty Python and the Holy Grail…I may have my characters mixed up…hey it’s been a while and I’m just not THAT geeky!
The FSM inspires Hollywood! Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest won an oscar for visula effects and a photo sequence on CNET says it all:
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news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6162450-8.html?tag=ne.gall.pg
@anyone
Hey all… does anyone here know anything about baptisms? I think I thought of a way to get BeckieC out of the whole situation she is in, but I don’t want to tip them off over there. Keep having scary visions of the Final Harvest’s disciples tracking me down and showing up at my door with bibles and burning torches.
@Batman
I just sent it to the yahoo mail list, but that is taking its time so here it is:
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“ha ha ha ha… nice spelling Jean! So, since I know nothing at all about religion, I need to know, what denomination is it that baptizes people, and can a 17 year old girl be baptized if she is converted? I need to know this…”
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Certainly the Catholics (I grew up in a Catholic family, duh!) and I think it is exclusively them, although not 100% sure of the latter. It fits really well with Catholicism. They way into icons, symbols, etc. A ritual like baptising fits in well with the rest of such nonsense.
Yes, at least in the UK you can be baptised at a later age. Prime minister Disraeli (orginally a Jew) was baptised before becoming PM.
@Batman
I imagine it depends on which “brand” of faith you’re with. My mumsey was a Catholic (technically I’m one of these)…I understand that when I was a mere bunnykins they washed my wittle head until all the badness was washed off…it soon came back like most tough stains.
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I’ve heard that baptisms are more dramatic…you’ll need one of these…white robe and a river!…perhaps invent an obsecure “cultish faith” and see if you can get the Final Harvest to try and talk you out of it…maybe a “baptism by fire”…convince the Final Harvest some Wiccan is going to make you walk across hot coals…the sky’s the limit…
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I wouldn’t worry about Bibles and burning torches…they only do this if there’s a plague of lycanthropes in the parish…sometimes a vampire…
*Thumper errata*
“I’ve heard that [some] baptisms are more dramatic…”
“obscure”
*we apologise for any inconvenience and advise that no wabbits were harmed in producing the above post*
@Thumper
That’s encouraging news… if I convince them I am a Wiccan mightn’t they go a little crazy? I don’t know, I am honestly starting to distub myself by associating (well, kind of) with those people. Witch hunting hasn’t gone completely out of style you know, and these demon hunters might be willing to give it a go.
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Anyways, I am trying to think of a way to extricate myself from them and their judgemental ways. Hence, the baptism… you can check it out in my latest response to the people praying for me. Jon Mills the administrator’s advice did not seem very helpful to me.
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@DPG
I responded to Juan about the candles. =)
While this thread is moving at a calmer pace then yesterday, let me paste in another link. USA pastafarians look up, it’s not only your country where IDiots are freely roaming about the place:
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www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/edu070227
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In the UK we had this Truth in Science nonsense not too long ago. And now in various other European countries an islamic flavoured version.
The arch-cynic in me is actually grinning a bit. There’s tons of islamophobia about in Europe. And an islamic source produces this anti-Dawinian crap. Expecting a possible enemy-of-my-enemy response, I suspect they may have scored an own goal here. Way to go Muhammed an co, you’re possibly doing a fine job without realising it.
@DPG
That is just crazy. I like how the author actually blames Darwin’s theory of evolution for “all the evil in the world, including international terrorism.” Does anyone else wonder at this member of a terrorist group describing terrorism as an “evil” thing? The group he belongs to SUPPORTS IT… several members have been convicted of terrorist activities.
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Pffft… honestly, the world is nuts. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I was perusing the “pursuit of god” site again, reading the threads… and you know, I don’t feel guilty for mocking them anymore. They are the very worst examples of Christianity… one thread I was reading about the teaching of Catholicism (maybe shouldn’t be baptizing Beckie) and I was appalled at the hypocrisy… that Jeff guy is truly a candidate for the mental institution, he told another senior member that his whole family would go to hell because they were idol-worshipers and that he himself had been saved from the “whore of babylon”. Sick sick sick… the best quote I found was this;
“Those who seek to bring civil turmoil among us Christians are like dogs that betray their masters.”
From this quote alone, does anyone besides me think that these religious leaders are less concerned with God and more concerned simply with securing their power base? I mean, really, they call us all dogs… and see themselves as our masters. Arrogant bullshit artists… I wish there was a way to debate them without them banning us from their site… I really really would like them to explain their actions and their hypocritical ideas and complete stupidity. (At one time, I thought maybe they were mocking BeckieC’s spelling, but having read more, no, they probably don’t even notice it.)
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I know that reasoned debate will not change these people, but I honestly would like to hear how they would justify themselves, and get an idea of what kind of sick personality gets caught in this vicious web of lies and abuse.
@Batman
It’s said that “the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that he didn’t exist”…BS…if there is such thing as a devil his greatest trick was creating religion and then convincing everyone it had something to do with God.
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Power and control are the only true aims of any religion (CoFSM excepted). Even looking at DPG’s link…I don’t believe that the high ranking muslim fundies(the ones that don’t blow themselves up) believe that crap…it’s propaganda to keep the dumb, dumb!
@Thumper
Yes, I know… I just got really pissy there for a moment. You know how I was mocking “Daughter” earlier? Well, I feel bad… having read more of her stuff, she is a new Christian. (Apparently becoming a senior member over there doesn’t actually require a long time membership, just a complete lack of rationality). Anyways, her life sounds like it was really really hard, and she turned to religion, and now somehow everything is better and blah blah blah. I feel kind of guilty for making fun of her… but more so I am just pissed the f**k off that these “delusionists” are playing on her pain and her sorrow and probably for no other reason than to keep her needy and wanting. It makes me a little bit sick. Literally, I think I threw up in my mouth just a little bit…
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Kay, but I am good now. I grabbed a nice friendly beer from the fridge and am in the process of defrosting the meat to make meatballs (sometimes all this FSM talk makes me really crave actual spaghetti & meat balls). All is well in Batman land, just thoroughly disgusted at the general religious population. You know? Frustrated with no outlet… that’s me.
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@DutchPastaGuy Feb 27th, 2007 at 5:44 pm “Way to go Muhammed an co, you’re possibly doing a fine job without realising it.”
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Fine, unless it goes the “common ennemy” way: don’t forget the Islam in medieval Spain (711-1492) was pretty tolerant towards Christians and Jews (although they had a tax to pay for professing their religion), them being considered “People of the Book” after all. Suppose they plot against the top infidels (agnosts, atheists, Darwinists, evolutionists…) first, and go for a fight between them afterwards?
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@Batman Feb 27th, 2007 at 6:10 pm “At one time, I thought maybe they were mocking BeckieC’s spelling, but having read more, no, they probably don’t even notice it.”
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Their own spelling is terrible, even in my non-edited hurry-hurry posts I don’t write that many errors.
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Couldn’t this whole Daughter’s husband-prayer-thing be a con trick, to persuade others of the power of their vision of religion? They have something about donating and all too. Besides that, it seems to me, being a musicianas, that they have much forums round music. The ultimate way of spreading the word? Luckily, WE have Booty to make songs, albeit on existing music. But the vast majority of church singing happens with new (…) words on existing music.
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Long post, won’t be staying long myself. I’ll take some peeks into different sites, and then… see you tomorrow!
Oops, I’m not a “musicianas”, you didn’t read that, forget it, I’m still a musician…
@Batman
This is your outlet…it’s refreshing to come here, have some fun and speak to people that know WTF is really going on.
In OZ we’re fairly lucky…not many people want to talk about religion outside of church (the odd “re born” being an exception) My grandparents were an example of “full on” Aussie Catholics…this meant they got “spruced up” for Sunday mass and took the station wagon for it’s once a week trip a km down the road…otherwise they didn’t mention it.
These Evangelical types are the real “go getters”…out trying to recruit vulnerable and bleed them for cash…pathetic…like I said to Bill…when we’re doing a Troll stint on a Xtian forum I don’t believe in abusing the individuals but making a mockery of the whole show is, to my way of thinking, fair game…I can’t wait to make a return…I’ll go back as “Fred Thrupmer CPA”…Marc McOar will get a kick out of that…ha ha…
@Thumper
Yes, refreshing times to be had amongst you pirates. I wish there were more pirates in Calgary… sigh. Mostly just surrounded by rednecks. Or at least, the people I know are. =S
Mocking the religion (as it exists on that site) is certainly fun, I will keep an eye for Fred’s posts… ha ha ha ha… will you give a heads up when you are going back in?
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@DPG
Have a good night, and thanks for the fun times! I’m off now as well, gotta make some actual food for dinner tonight… need a break from eating nothing but creamed wheat and rice crackers… and Mango sorbet. Yummm…
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Cheers and arrgh to all of you pirates… keep up the good work!
@Roudy Wench
I’m finding the emotions of it really hard. I wanted to relay the pain of people I knew that had to deal with trivial religious trangressions in terms of major guilt put on them by some extrernal source: ie. religion.
And I don’t want to go over that so much, unless it’s necessary. It’s painful. But you guys know these people. Is it only me who knows of a life or two or five that was tormented by the guilt that religion put on them?
I argue in my paper (4th link) that guilt is not ever a good motivator for right action.
Maybe it was good at some time, to keep social order, but not it is a serious psychological burden. Carrie, the movie, gives me a sense of what religion could do to a total innocent. This is not outside my personal experinece. Don’t you all know people like carrie?
If you want to see what I think guilt is, click my name and pick 4th link.
@ everyone - this will be a very personal post for me. I hope that’s OK…
@ bill - I read your essay thus far on guilt and I like it. You are as brilliant as Wench Beth said you are! I have some further thoughts on guilt and shame. I am currently reading a book called “The Dance of Fear” which has a large section on shame. At one point the author says that guilt is about doing and shame is about being. I have largely eliminated guilt by learning how to make better decisions. But, only in the last week have I gotten the courage to face the last remnants of my shame. The problem with shame is that it creates really awful core beliefs mostly to do with never being good enough. There are others like “I am unlovable” and “I am unworthy” that go with shame too. I have yet to tackle these, but am getting started this week. I am very fortunate to have a husband who has waited for years till I could get to the place where I can see that I am smart, funny, sexy and decent (or indecent when the time comes! hahaha).
I want to avoid the scroll rule but have a lot to say on this! I don’t want to sound like I’m whining because I’m not, but it’s been a long haul to get my head above water and realize that I can be what I’ve always wanted to be and never believed I could. I think it will be part (or most) of my life’s work to make sure that other people don’t have to live as long in self-loathing and fear as I did. I made a joke on another thread about “influencing” the minds of teenaged girls…but this is what I do. I teach them that they are smart, funny, capable and the rest 20 years before I figured that out for myself.
@Rowdy Wench
“At one point the author says that guilt is about doing and shame is about being.”
I wanted to make that point also. The focus of guilt is on the act performed. The focus of shame is on what kind of person you want to be, your essence. I believe you choose it. I think this is similar to what your author is saying.
I think the problem with shame is when you let your ideal person be put on you instead of chosen by you. It’s so easy to feel shamed by others but only if you get convinced that their ideal should be yours.
If you start from what You? want to be, shame is easy to deal with. If you are shamed, either change your ideal or resolve to do better at living up to it.
What from what you say, it just sounds to me as if you’ve let others decide what/who you want to be. The pressures are subtle. Sometimes you have to Fight!
P.S. You are lucky to have such support. He sees your goodness and your greatness.
@The Pursuit of God Pirates
Can one of you do ole Thumpie a favour? I’d like someone to engage Mr Mills on the topic of God’s “maleness”…does God “have one” and if so what does he do with it…especially when all the angels are sleeping…you might have to pretend to be 10 years old to avoid getting the boot but this is bound to be fun…does God pee?…therefore he drinks and eats and sh*ts as well…all good stuff to scare the hell out of Millsey…