hello. I came across your so call WEBSITE as a mistake. ok, I have one question for you. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? How can you honestly believe that spaghetti can have legs, arms, and a pulse at the least bit? Your web site is clearly a joke, and anybody that believes a “thing” can have MEATBALLS for eyes, is clearly disturbed and should seek help immediately. How can you people make such vulgar comments about the catholic and Christian religion? saying that we have to accept that God’s balls are larger than ours? that is clearly disrespectful to all Christians. If you wish to disrespect me, i will disrespect you, by saying that you are all a bunch of LOONS with mental disabilities. Worshiping spaghetti is like worshipping Poland just because they make good water! Oh, and one last thing. tomorrow night, while i am enjoying my wonderful plate of spaghetti, ill make sure i enjoy it. But, you can give me a call next time you see the flying spaghetti monster. I would give you my number, but I can guarantee you wont need it.
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what the hell is wrong with you
Published by Bobby Henderson January 30th, 2007 in Hate Mail (and concerned criticism). 402 Comments
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I’ve just been taking the time to re-read some old posts and threads, I thought it best to update everyone that despite numerous (well 3) dares to the almighty to prove me wrong on the subject of his existence i have received nothing, zip, bugger all… no smiting, burning bushes, voices or other signs.
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I have had pasta and beer quite a few times though…
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Hey, i’m back. Work has been hectic and my internet has been out so i have been away for a while.
@Jingles- i would be interested to know where TLM falls on your “Scale ‘O’ Wits”
@Mr.Chris(tian)Hately- I agree with you. I am a Christian but fundies do more damage than good. Although i’m a Christian i don’t pretend to know all the answers so i just kinda sit back and enjoy the ride. I do however take offense to using “Southern” as an insult. I am from teh south and i can say that i am neither inbred or “hickish”. People seem to think that Rednecks and hicks and racists are localized only in the southern region of the U.S. But most of the southerners i know are upstanding and inteligent. And i know for a fact that the North houses its fair share of intolerant rednecks. So please don’t use the word southern as a derogatory term. The Doctor is out
Dr.Worm
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How about calling them Texans?
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Law -”The justice system in Texas has a reputation for strict sentencing. According to the Prison Policy Initiative, of the 21 counties in the United States where more than a fifth of the residents are prison inmates, 10 are in Texas.”
– Or mabye putting a George W Bush mask on them all would make it OK?
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@Anonymous
Oh ok, can you give us an example of a god which is of a sort you’re familiar with, which isn’t narcissistic egomaniac that commands death, worship, and intolerance of other religious beliefs? Other than the FSM that is…
I just want the expert to throw me a bone since we’re all obviously not-in-the-know about how we should depict a god. Don’t worry about blaspheming, it’s utilizing freedom of speech. You’re entitled to your opinion, and best of all we won’t crucify you.
May You Be Touched By His Noodly Appendage
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.Last post..
which is a narcissistic*
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.Last post..
which isn’t a narcissistic**
I’m really slow today.
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OK, so we’ve got some “reasonable” believers aboard (by that i mean people who can operate caps lock and string a sentence together)
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So, in the vain hope we can kick off a bit of debate. There is no god or gods. I am convinced that religion is a bad idea and not only is it based on a fallacy it is deterimental to the human race. To re-use a previous post, there is no safe level of religion, it is toxic in any amount and pollutes the mind.
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You are of course entitled to try and change my opinion on this, in fact i welcome it! but i would ask in return the same…
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@Navigator Spider- have you seen the movie Dogma? I was just wondering because the “13th deciple” stated it best when he said ideas are good, and beliefs are bad. He states that an idea can be changed easily,but beliefs are harder. Basically what i gathered, is that the idea of God is not bad, but that idea has been corrupted through the ages in the form of man-made religion. I would have to agree with that. He goes on to say that no religion or denomination of any religion has ever “gotten it right”. Once again, that is my feeling exactly. I believe in a God, but religion is a whole other monster.
A religion can shape and mold God into whatever form they see fit. In a society run by religions officials, all they have to do to declare war is say that “God instucted us to fight his enimes” Next thing you know you have the Crusades and thousands dying on both sides. I see nothing wrong with faith or believing in a god, but to blindy follow a religion is idiotic.
RAmen
Dr. Worm
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Hi Dr. Worm. You say you believe in “a god”. Do you mean an entity who sparked the whole thing off? I can understand that. I doubt it’s true but I can see your position.
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@Alchemist- yeah, thats pretty much what i mean. Everything is way too complicated to be completely random, at least thats what i think. I guess i have come to believe in what i would describe as “limited evolution”. Basically, i believe in evolution and adaptation to a certain extent, but there is no way i can believe that single celled organisms develop into self aware human beings, no matter how long the time frame. Random mutations and natural selection explain alot but not everything. I can go into more detail if your interested in hearing it but i’m bout to go to lunch, and eating is way more important at the moment. I’ll be happy to talk about it more when i get back. Until then, the Doctor is out.
Dr.Worm
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@The Church of Olive Garden Jan 31st, 2007 at 9:35 am, Please email your complaints to bobby.henderson@gmail.com. Sorry nobody answered you sooner
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the Deist perspective is always one which i find interesting, Dr Worm. however, if our complex universe requires an equally complex creator, then from where did such a creator arise? he can’t simply have been around forever, since to postulate eternal existence is to remove the need for a god altogether. if anything can exist eternally, then there’s nothing to say our universe hasn’t done so, forever expanding and contracting in upon itself. hell, this universe may not be the first, or only universe to exist. in fact, if space/time are as eternal as any God (and i see no reason why they shouldn’t be, if eternal existence is possible) then the odds are a dead cert that sooner or later sentient life will emerge. in fact, the odds are a dead cert that it has already done so an infinite number of times already.
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i’d love to hear more about your perspective, however. if there is such a thing as eternity, then i see no need for a god/creator. if there is not such a thing as eternity, then do you still believe we need a creator? perhaps the creator (or creators) could be some ancient, extraterrestrial race whose attainment of self-awareness predates our own by billions of years? does your hypothetical creator need to be supernatural, if the universe has not existed for eternity?
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i could enjoy this. let’s hear it…
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It’s all true. Jesus worked for the Spagetti man and I had always suspected so. That whole thing about predicting someone would betray him…Yea right. That was right after I confronted him about a secret meeting with the great noodleness. I ended up being the fall guy.
If you look close at the Divenchi pic, we had spagetti for dinner. No wine either. It was kool-aide. The kool-aide dude is totally in on the whole thing.
Like it matters. You’ll all blame me anyway :( I’m so depressed!
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I love KKKhristians, after my lions get done with them they are so tender and quiet.
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I love KKKhristians, after my lions get done with them they are so tender and quiet.
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ooops, sorry already on the grogg
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@ Dr. Worm. What Homo narrans said :) likewise.
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Lions! Ha! That’s the easy way out. You ever see Caligula (I can’t spell because of the devil and I don’t have a spell check). Try having a string tied to to talley wacker and wine forced down your throat. It’s worse than kidney stones — I swear it is. Then they hit you in the stomach with a sword. It’s actually a relief at that point.
I don’t know why I don’t have anything happy to talk about. Dang it!
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“Try having a string tied to to talley wacker and wine forced down your throat”
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Oooh, do we go to the same club?
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All I can do is laugh at all the silly silly nonbelievers… My one and only Noodly Goodness doesn’t mind if you mock him or my religion because He’s cool like that and He understands where you’re coming from, and I, wanting to be in His image don’t mind either. And to all of my brothers and sisters, don’t hate them, just shake your head and smile… They will believe in the Spaghetti Monster one day also.
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Dr Worm. “Everything is way too complicated to be completely random”
we hear this one a lot, and i sympathise with it, i really do. the universe as we find it is monstrous, cold, uncaring, amoral place. I find myself becoming jealous to a certain extent of people that have a deeply held faith, because of the nice warm comfortable feeling it must give to simply know everything is for a purpose and will be ok in the end.
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The problem however is a very very very simple one. There is absolutley no evidence for it. the scientific theories that have been formulated may well turn out to be incorrect, but they at least look at the evidence, and postualte based upon it. i simply cannot bring myself to believe in something for which there is no proof other than preachers statement or books made from preachers statements. it is hard to maintain this point of view, in times of emotional turmoil (and having both served in the forces and as an orphan i’ve had a few). But even when i find myself wanting there to be something, i find it is simply that MY wanting there to be, it is a weakness of my consciousness to assign human motives and try to anthropomorphise the universe. if this were a court case it would be thrown out for lack of evidence, all there is is hearsay, inadmissable in any civilised rational legal system…
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hutupSa udasJa! eWa aveHa oreMa ineWa! uitQa opyingCa rincePa, ouYa uttheadBa!
By the way folks, I’m planning a comeback in late June. As of now we will be touring with Metallica, but nothing is set in stone yet. Stone…that was funny. Kind of like Moses. Get it? Ah, never mind.
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Working on a hate-mail song, should have it in tomorrow.
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@ Navigator Spider
I agree with you that wanting there to be a god of some kind is a human condition, but as well as the emotional need many people have for some higher power, curiosity makes us search for new things, but if they can’t be explained, they’re strange and often frigtening, some peple would rather just say ‘god did it’ than try to study whatever it is further.
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The christians of course think that athiests are taking the easy way out by not believing, no threat of hell etc. because telling yourself that no matter what you do, as long as you ask for forgiveness, it’ll all be all right isn’t?
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Ahoy shipmates! I’ve been reading the postings on the site and I love this stuff! I’ve just ordered my copy of the gospel so hopefully soon I will fully understand his noodlyness. Off to the store for my pirate outfit…
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Ahoy indeed, another pirates sups at the grog bottle of noodliness, good to see!
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Claprán, always nice to have someone agree with you. I couldn’t disagree more with the christians who think we take the easy way out. To really admit to yourself that this possibly all there is is very hard. I still maintain that a person who is moral and atheist is far more moral than one who simply does it out of fear of devine punishment and retribution. To take full responsibility for your life and actions rather than assign religious meaning and motive has to be more difficult. so drink on my friends, drink, sing and be merry. Enjoy every moment and make the most of what you have, you may not get another chance…
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Hey, guys, i’m actually swamped at work right now so i’m gonna have to postpone the discussion for a while, but i’ll come back when i get a chance and hopefully have a good defense. Later maties!!!
Dr.worm
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My family (all supposed atheists but they ‘wish they could believe’ (what??)) tell me that it’s arrogant not to believe in a god of some sort. I think that the arrogance is assuming that the human race is so damn special that we alone violate all rules of the known universe and persist after death, and that any superintelligence that could direct the galaxies would a)look like us and b)care what the hell we thought about anything!
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Although of course the FSM is different; he is evident in all things and not believing in his noodlyness is truly arrogance of the highest degree.
RAMEN
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@Navigator Spider: You’re too right… Frankly it’s the fundamentalist religious people who devote their lives to some invisible friend who are taking the easy way out, by refusing to accept the universe for what is. At the end of the day, living your life in a moral way only out of fear of some Big Brother-esque sky god does not make you a better person- if you are truly moral you should not require the constant threat of punishment to act in the right way.
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I don’t necessarily believe in Pastafarianism, but I’m not about to knock it. The only religion I’ll disrespect is Christianity because of all the fanatics that try to convert me (I’m agnostic). I don’t see any religion that has more proof than any other, religion is based on faith, faith is based on lack of proof. I think it’s good for anyone to believe in something greater than them, but the Christian fanatics take it too far, “If you don’t believe in Christianity, you’re going to hell!” Okay, maybe in your religion, but what about mine? To sum up, worship what you like. And personally, I find it easier to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster than a bearded man who first was the son of god, then became god.
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Belonging to those “who are unable to believe in a well defined higher being”, I nevertheless admire people (most of them… Christians) who do very good things to others, surmounting almost unsurmountable obstacles, only supported by their faith. But somehow, I’ve got the impression they’re a small minority, largely outnumbered by raging fundies.
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Anyone who does good to others, for any reason, should be applauded. But I have the feeling that even if all religion was abolished tomorrow, people would still go on doing the same stuff. If you’re basically a nice person you’ll keep doing nice, selfless things for people and fight against the odds to be able to do that. All calling it religion does is provide a base for the fundies to say ‘look how nice people who follow our religion are! we must be right.’
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Nice people would be nice people with or without religion. I think the only example where religion forces some people to be good are the born agains, who would otherwise alll be crack addicts and in jail. Not that they still might not be crack addicts, but most of them aren’t in jail anymore. Unfortunatly, this also cause them to be enormous assholes, probably the after effects of either the crack or prison food.
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@Skrae
I really dislike the use of the term ‘disrespect’ when describing attacks on ideas and beliefs that aren’t worthy of respect in the first place. Respect must be first earned to be lost, which is why should I decide to launch an attack on a Christian Fundamentalist I would hesitate to say I am disrespecting them. I wouldn’t disrespect them, as that would lend implied credence to their views, rather I’d tell them they’re a bunch of stupid dicks with their collective heads up their collective arses. Sorry if I’m coming across as over-picky but fundies are given far too much lee-way in world society already to be allowed to get off on minor techinicalities within the scope of our control.
@the spaghetti shaman & L’Tuae
I think you both hit the nail on the head there.
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Man has this got out of hand. All I was trying to do was throw down a few good ideas. O.K. First of all it wasn’t the ten commandments, it was the three suggestions. I had to meet Moses up on the mountain and the air was thin and he … well, he got it a little wrong.
The truth is, I’m really laid back. I could care less if you believe in me and I hate Republicans. Every time I hear that hick say “God Bless America” I just want to puke. Trust me; you don’t me to do that.
I don’t have time to listen to your stupid “prayers” and the idiots who wrote that book “the bible” got ate by bacteria just like all you guys who “jacked off” at night. It really doesn’t matter, because I just don’t care. I’ve got my own issues. Quit your whining and quit pretending you know me. As much as you might pride yourself in it consider this one thing: Faith is a simple absence of objectivity — are you really proud of not being objective. That’s about as deep as I’m gonna get.
Oh yea. Thought you should know; G O D is a acronym for “got one dick”. It was funny at the time.
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@The diety formerly known as G O D
Awesome, nice man, nice.
@Rortatious
Yeah, the respect to lose thus disrespected thing is true. Sorry about grammar there. I was just trying to avoid using the word “attack.” The Christian religion states that you shouldn’t judge and you should love all people or something right? Then why the hell won’t they do it, if Christianity is in fact true, and I’m going to hell, I’ll have a blast, as the only one I know who sold his soul to the devil, and afterwards the devil asked for a refund, I’ll have a lot of fun, I might be able to take over. jk. I think the Christian religion might have the right idea, but if more people would actually follow it, it would be nice. I’m actually considering converting to Pastafarianism. Praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
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I would like to know if there is any organised group based on the worship of Poland. Being of Irish descent, I am interested in joining.
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@Everyone, especially Mountain Born Pirate Witch
People keep saying that stupid people should stop breeding. I’m not sure I agree, primarily because of the work of Aldous Huxley. In Huxley’s fantastic novel Brave New World, the world is maintained by building people to be very good at the jobs they are required to do. Breeding was replaced by genetic manufacture, and everything else was regulated by damaging fetuses, cloning (called Bokanovskification, if I spelled it correctly), and classical conditioning. If you wanted astronauts who would be resistant to disorientation, you might make engineers but spin them occasionally while they were fetuses, for example. To those who lived in Huxley’s world, it was supposed to be perfect. (To the reader, who does not live inside it, their world was supposed to be revolting and abhorrent.) Regardless, the characters whose job it was to regulate the next generation persisted in making stupid people. Huxley even alluded to an “experiment” in the book in which they tried to make an entire self-sustaining world of only alphas (people of high intelligence). It was a disaster because no one wanted to do menial labor. Even though Huxley only made that allusion once, the idea was obvious. Smart people are reliant on stupid people to do the tasks that they don’t want to do.
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Of course, in Huxley’s world the smart people are conditioned to hate the stupid ones anyway. Maybe stupid people should breed and work for smart ones, but they should leave smart people alone otherwise.
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I would also like to point out that I haven’t spoiled the plot at all for those who haven’t read it, so you should still read it if you like distopia novels.
-Avatar of Reason
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what ever happened to a thing called tolerance? why can’t we just accept and tolerate everyone’s beliefs and not feel the need to criticize those (beliefs) that are different from our own? just a thought…
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@hannah
Try telling that to the fundies, who feel it’s their right to indoctrinate everyone into their social engineering (read control) agenda. Oh by the way they state this on all their major websites (Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries, Truth in Science ect ect). They have said they will not rest until they have “saved” everyone. (read forced them into acceptance of their own interpretation of biblical authority) Will find you some quotes from these sites when I have time. (have them all stowed netly nicely somewhere on this system…just for such a time as this)
RAmen
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Oh and hannah I meant to ask…do you consider this professed evangelical (fundie) attitude tolerant of others beliefs?
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@Eye Witness
Ironically, their own bible dictates that it is impossible for every non-Christian to be turned into a Christian. Their book entitled “Revalation” details the fate that all non-Christians will face in the end of times.
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Oh, wait. I just thought of something terrible. If they won’t rest until we’re all converted, and it is impossible for us all to be converted before the end of the world, it can only mean one thing! They’re going to ruin our eternity in hell by sending missionaries their too! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! It really will be torture!
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Hmmmm. Or there is a flaw in their logic. That works too.
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@Hannah
I want to say two quick things.
1.)Your name is a palendrome. Cool.
2.)I like your comment about respecting others’ beliefs, and I’m sure almost everyone else on this website does too. It’s why we don’t send hate mail to Christian websites, and why we don’t threaten to shove oars in peoples’ rear ends. We only disrespect people who go out of their way to publically proclaim their hatred of us. As far as I’m concerned disrespecting them is acceptable (and fun).
-Avatar of Reason
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Hannah adn Avatar, again i applaud your sentiment. It’s a lovely idea. But the more i learn and experience the less i feel like leaving religion alone. I fail to see why it should be exempt from criticism or ridicule, it’s history is not a glorious one and it’s basis is dubious at best. It takes money from the public purse and inflicts damage on children, not to mention the very simple fact it is not true.
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Many people have posted here asking for tolerance for beliefs and reasoning everyone is entitled to their faith. I would now disagree with that. Religion is a sliding scale with moderates at one end and extremists at the other. By tolerating one we give tacit consent to the other, after all how can you argue one religious belief is wrong and another right since neither offer up and proof or evidence? This is not a hatred of any person, but a rebutal of religious belief. To labour a point – there is no safe level of religion. We need to oppose it wherever and whenever we can.
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@ Spider
Well said, Navigator. (as usual)
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@ Avatar
Regarding Huxley’s “Brave New World”, this is where your “reason” has escaped me. He was making a statement on social order; selective breeding was the tool used to create the social stratification, but there is more to the story than that. Cross breeding a “stupid” person with another will not necessarily produce “stupid” progeny. Likewise, intelligence does not always produce intelligence. There will exist a certain amount of genetic variation and mutation in any given conception. The dumbing down of the workforce was do to environmental factors, as well. That was the whole point of having “outsiders” who practiced natural selection. And Huxley’s premise was not suggesting that we actually carry out this experiment. He left it as a warning to future generations as something we should avoid at all costs. (I will end there as to prevent any further spoilers.) That said, I do agree that it is worth the read. Thanks for bringing it up.
MJK
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@Navigator Spider:
I applaud you desire to protect people from their follies. I feel the same desire, which is why I tend to give missionaries a hard time. (See the “fsm crashes Flock of Dodos screening” thread for details; I had a debate with some Jehovah’s Witnesses.) At times I have also thought that religion was a veritable blight on the human race, but despite that sad apparent truth, there are three major problems with stamping it out, however tempting it might be.
1.) Your theory deals only with human history. It does not deal with all potential religions that might exist in the future. One can imagine the existence of a religion that could be a societal boon regardless of whether or not such a religion would be true or false. Furthermore, deciding that religion is “evil” requires a coherent definition of the word. Philosophers who seek to define evil without god tend to either fail or disagree. At that point, it becomes hard to explain precisely why religion must be stamped out.
2.) Your theory does not deal with all currently existing human religions. It ignores one. Deism is a religion in the sense that it believes in a creator god, but deism does not cause any noticeable harm. Why bother the deists?
3.) Your theory is not practical. Even if we could all agree that the existence of religion was a flagrant violation of a universal ethical law, and that all religions were included, it would still be impossible to eradicate religion. Fundies on this website have already demonstrated that logic does not alter their opinions. These are the types of people who could have a discussion with Socrates and not change their minds once in the course of the conversation. People with religion tend to cling to it, and even when they leave it, they often return. It would be nearly impossible to get rid of religion, and even if we did, we would have no assurances that it would not get reinvented.
I understand that you might want to resist religion to lessen the stranglehold it has on the human race, and there I can agree with you. That is one of the reasons why I am on this site. Regardless, I would not seek to go door to door preaching hatred of religion. I only fight religion by fighting its spread, not by fighting the people who practice it in private in a way that harms no one.
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In conclusion, I don’t often like religion, either. I usually detest it, and have often thought of how much better the world could be when it no longer prowled the earth preying on the innocent and foolhardy. Regardless, I don’t think that much can be done about it, and I do think that it is possible to have a religion that is an exception to the rule (deism, or some other religion that is currently undiscovered). The more I think about it, the less I could bring myself to burn books, which is one of the many things that destroying religion would entail.
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i would never advocate burning books, how else can we learn?
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but in response to “deism does not cause any noticeable harm. Why bother the deists?” because i am convinced they do. If we concede that a deist is harmless, and entiltled to hold his beliefs how can you then criticise a more extreme believer? there is equal proof for either set of beliefs, it is only our opinion that their resultant behaviours present different justifications for their tolerance whereas the believer justifies their faith (and therefore their behaviour) because they claim the faith itself justifies it. I prefer to use truth as a basis for justification. So, does god exist? on balance of evidence no. Should we follow a set of laws and behaviours based on a non exisitent gods wishes? no.
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Before we leap to the “we might as well commit murder then “argument. we can apply the same criteria. Is murder a good thing? on balance of evidence, no. so we make it against the law, and so on….
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Burning books! nonononononono, never! “shudder”
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What a horrible thing that would be. Because it is of course what has been done for ages, you want to destroy a rival peoples god you destroy all books, temples, statues etc etc of it. That is of course why so much ancient knowledge has been lost and had to be rediscovered again. No, I could never bring myself to destroy books, not even bibles or other “holy” books. Besides there are some stunningly beautifull (old) bibles in existance.
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I don’t have to believe in god or deity of choice to enjoy it’s art.
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On this we agree, even though i refute their findings, bibles are fascinating, especially the more beautiful ones. they represent steps on the ladder of mans progress. we should cherish them, but as with allthings you have to be prepared to let go and move on.
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